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"I could never read Tolkien. I always found him unreadable." - Billy Connolly talks a bit about Tolkien and 'The Hobbit'.



Carne
Tol Eressea

Sep 24 2012, 11:55pm


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"I could never read Tolkien. I always found him unreadable." - Billy Connolly talks a bit about Tolkien and 'The Hobbit'.

http://www.vulture.com/...+and+Culture+Blog%29

He mentions he's back in NZ next year for more filming, his thoughts on the script, 48fps and 3D.


(This post was edited by Carne on Sep 24 2012, 11:57pm)


Túrin_Turambar
The Shire

Sep 25 2012, 12:11am


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"It looks like a cartoon, but the people are real. And it's shiny."

Not quite sure how I feel about that...


imin
Valinor


Sep 25 2012, 12:15am


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yeah that was the bit i noticed

it is something i felt when i watched the trailer a few times. Though i did watch it on my laptop rather than in the cinema and people who have seen it in the cinema have said it looks darker, less cartoon like so i hold out hope it will.

Its nice to hear he thinks the acting of everyone else is great and its going to be a great movie - though he kinda has to say that. I get the feeling from him though if he didnt think it was good, he would just say nothing so im taking it as a positive :)


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Sep 25 2012, 12:18am


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He followed that with "it's real".

Cartoon, real? Doesn't make much sense. Connolly is unreadable to me. As long as he does a good job in Hobbit, i don't really care. Wink


Carne
Tol Eressea

Sep 25 2012, 12:20am


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Think he might be referring to it being very colorful (as seen in the trailer)

 


Phibbus
Rohan


Sep 25 2012, 12:26am


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This made me laugh


Quote
I didn't read [the books], and I normally don't like people who have! The people who love it, they're kind of scary. They talk all this gobbledygook and they think of it as the Holy Grail.

For all my geekdom, I know it's true.

This, on the other hand, scared the gobbledygook right of me....


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I haven't done [the battle scenes] yet. I have to get battle-ready! I ride into war on a wild pig!

because that scary, obsessed geek in me fears it, too, is true.

Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.


Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Sep 25 2012, 12:27am


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Lol, I see what you did there! heheh. Your post at least was readable ;¬) //

 



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Elessar
Valinor


Sep 25 2012, 12:37am


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As long as he does a good job that's all I care about.

 



Jeremy
Rivendell


Sep 25 2012, 12:38am


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Well I guess he at least has the attitude of a dwarf (stubborn?)

 


Solicitr
Lorien

Sep 25 2012, 12:59am


Views: 2548
That's okay, Billy...

...the screenwriters haven't either. Evil


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Sep 25 2012, 1:25am


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People say stuff like this

just to drive us little people crazy.* Crazy

And what's this about riding a wild pig? Didn't the leaked Games Workshop release list (officially called a forgery) include a set named "Dáin Ironfoot & Iron Hill Boar Riders?"

*ETA: at least when Viggo said he had never heard of The Lord of the Rings before getting the part of Strider, not only was he gracious about the wonderful opportunity accorded him, but also set about to read the books straight away (or so the story goes).



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Carne
Tol Eressea

Sep 25 2012, 1:28am


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He mentioned the pig in another interview a long time ago

And if I remember correctly, the (fake?) list was released after that.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Sep 25 2012, 1:31am


Views: 2452
Okay so is he riding a boar or not?

Laugh

(I just can't understand why someone would go to that much trouble to create such a forgery. What was in it for them?)



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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 25 2012, 1:31am


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He has a very 60-70s counter-culture view of Tolkien fans

I know of many people of his generation (baby boomers) who were put off by the outlandish masses that worshiped Tolkien in their youth. Frodo Lives, Gandalf for President, and all that. Heck, even Tolkien himself was put off by those fans.

Tolkien fandom today is far, far broader, and contains some of the most normal people imaginable.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 25 2012, 1:32am


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Very safe to conclude that he is {NT}

 


Phibbus
Rohan


Sep 25 2012, 1:35am


Views: 2418
I think so

I also recall that I thought this (barely discernible) device on one of the gold coins in the hands of an interviewed rigger might be a boar (upside-down)...



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Eye's on Guard
Lorien


Sep 25 2012, 2:08am


Views: 2490
Boar here in vlog 8?

 
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Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Sep 25 2012, 2:22am


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From the sticky post at the top of the board - fascinating reading.

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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Sep 25 2012, 2:44am


Views: 2397
Dang!

I wish she was playing Dain, beardless of course.

At bottom left, that does look like a sow's ear -- you could be right. Thanks!



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redgiraffe
Rohan

Sep 25 2012, 5:00am


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hehe


In Reply To
I wish she was playing Dain, beardless of course.

At bottom left, that does look like a sow's ear -- you could be right. Thanks!


I find Liz Tan to be quite attractive.

Anyways, this was an interesting read. Once again, I can't determine anything from his statements.

But the animatronic thing I believe is supposed to be a Warg. This is only because I read somewhere that the main Warg is supposed to be white. But that doesn't mean we can't have a white boar as well.

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Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Sep 25 2012, 7:05am


Views: 2285
Connolly comes off so gruff, but

his comments about Tolkien fans should be taken with a grain of salt. The night in Wellington when Ian McKellen did his one-man benefit show for Christchurch and all the actors came to support it, Billy was in the theatre afterwards with his own line going for at least an hour, signing autographs, posing for photos with fans, using colorful language and making everybody laugh. I had a chance to sit off to the side and just listen to his crotchety spiel which had everyone in stitches. It was actually a very good-natured "act". He might not have read The Hobbit or Lord of the Rings or Farmer Giles of Ham, but he was relating to us Tolkien geeks just fine that night.

Sorry if this blows your cover, Mr. C.Cool


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 25 2012, 7:12am


Views: 2247
I never know whether to trust what he says or not ;-) /

 


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elostirion74
Rohan

Sep 25 2012, 5:10pm


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Spot on!

Not that it´s vital for me that the actors who play in a film love the book it´s adapted from, though. It´s their job to be good actors, nothing else. And for lots of people LoTR and fantasy in general is just not their cup of tea, they´re just not interested.

Connoly´s remark shouldn´t be taken very seriously, anyway, since it represents the view of someone who at best has a very vague notion of the story and has to rely on adolescent memories and attitudes.


Fàfnir
Rohan

Sep 25 2012, 5:22pm


Views: 2004
The script

It's quite a good sign that he's enthusiastic on the script, because that's something that will be entirely made up for the movie, since relying on my memories Dain doesn't even talk in the book. And we only sees him in battle, and Billy Connolly says he only have played non-battle scenes. His role will really get extended a lot !


rings7
Rohan


Sep 25 2012, 6:57pm


Views: 1947
I've always wondered about this

do you actually have to read the books if you're acting in a movied based on it? Isn't enough to read the script?


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Sep 25 2012, 7:23pm


Views: 980
Well

it depends on the actor, the amount of research they do when preparing for a role and all that...

Regardless I think it's bad form basically to say "I have no interest in the author's writings and still landed a part -- take that plebs."



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Morthoron
Gondor


Sep 25 2012, 8:13pm


Views: 955
Taking money for what one despises makes one a...

Hmmm...what would the word be I'm looking for? Wink

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imin
Valinor


Sep 25 2012, 9:00pm


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pleb! this word has been causing a certain mp lots of trouble in the UK currently! //

 


Spaldron
Rivendell


Sep 26 2012, 4:35am


Views: 845
Connolly is a comedian...

...first and foremost so yes his words should be taken with a grain of salt.

I'm surprised that no one has brought up his live gig in NZ from a few years back where he had a sly dig at LOTR. It was filmed for his "World Tour of NZ" series but I cant find it on YT. Its around somewhere.

Bottom line is he doesn't like the books but clearly loves the script, end of. Evil

"A single dream is more powerful than a thousand realities."


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 26 2012, 4:56am


Views: 850
How do we know

That he clearly loves the script?

Seems like an obvious thing he has to say in order to clarify that his dislike of the books does not translate into a dislike of the movies (or the script). Good PR, that is.

For all we know, he could think it's all rubbish.


Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Sep 26 2012, 5:21am


Views: 850
He likes the scripts.

"I mean, the scripts are brilliant, very good," Connolly continued, "but I always disagree with people who think the movie should be like the book. A movie's a movie, and the book's a book." And this movie's going to be great, Connolly promised.

Sounds like he'd fit in here pretty ok.Wink
(except maybe for thinking I'm scary and talk gobbledygook.)


Spaldron
Rivendell


Sep 26 2012, 5:21am


Views: 847
Because

He said ""I mean, the scripts are brilliant, very good,"here.

"A single dream is more powerful than a thousand realities."


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Sep 26 2012, 5:27am


Views: 877
Aivale Cole was much nicer about it.

See question 3 of Earl's interview here: [Link]



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Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Sep 26 2012, 6:28am


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A very lovely woman,

but she still called us "LOTR addicts". Crazy
Who, us?Laugh


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 26 2012, 6:42am


Views: 852
Right, but as he's associated with the production

It seems an obvious thing to say right after you disparage the source material. If he were to simply say "I never liked the books" and didn't follow it up with "but the movies (or the scripts)" are great, it would be a significant PR faux pas.

I think it is impossible to know if he really likes the scripts, or if he thinks its all gobbledegook nonsense, and is just doing his part to stand by PJ.

One of the least reliable sources for an opinion on something is someone who is being paid to work on that something...Smile


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 26 2012, 7:20am


Views: 803
I wonder if he has ever tried reading the books

If he loves the script, then I imagine he would at least enjoy the book?

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Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 26 2012, 9:58am


Views: 801
Not really

I know quite few people who who have tried the books, but simply can't stand Tolkien's prose style (or his poetry).

Both are absent from a film script.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 26 2012, 10:03am


Views: 755
The Lord of the Rings, yes

But The Hobbit is a nice easy read. Very little poetry in it. Smile

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Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 26 2012, 10:31am


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It's not a matter of difficulty.

 

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


macfalk
Valinor


Sep 26 2012, 10:34am


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Connolly not an actual fan!

What a NARF!



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DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 26 2012, 11:01am


Views: 800
I didn't say it was

It's an easy read - the story is linear, there are few characters, there is no sub-plot, there's a beginning, middle and an end.

If people don't like Tolkien's usual prose and/or his poetry, then The Hobbit is a nice book to read.

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Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 26 2012, 11:14am


Views: 797
And that is the problem

It's linear, the characters are underdeveloped, it has a strange change of style in the last third, it has an intrusive narrative voice, the poems are rubbish and kill the pace, it's twee, and so on.

Since the Hobbit is read at many primary schools it is often people's first encounter with Tolkien, and can serve to put them off.

There are lots of books I don't like, from Dickens to The Hunger Games. I don't have a problem understanding that some people won't like books that I do like.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Sep 26 2012, 11:15am


Views: 809
He's an actor! Not a book reader.

 Gobbledygook? Nice word usage. Smile He does have a point. I recall someone....calling it fatally attractive once. Some people tend to act like "deplorable cultuses" or is it culti?.. which may tend to make others shy away from them and the material.

160 From a letter to Rayner Unwin 6 March 1955

..."I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good – cert. not for me, who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive. It is, I suppose, a tribute to the curious effect that story has, when based on very elaborate and detailed workings of geography, chronology, and language, that so many should clamour for sheer 'information', or 'lore'. "...

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.

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DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 26 2012, 11:31am


Views: 792
I don't expect people to like Tolkien either

But if he enjoys the script, then there's little reason why he wouldn't enjoy the book.

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Elenorflower
Gondor


Sep 26 2012, 12:22pm


Views: 788
His day job

is a comedian, he is just trying to be funny, Cumberbund tried the same thing with the off the cuff remarks, they know their comments are vaguely supercilious but its ok to take a pop at 'The Geeks' isnt it? O hilarious. Mad


Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 26 2012, 1:37pm


Views: 743
Well no

A film script has little in common with the book, other than the plot. And it's not the plot that people tend to not like about the Hobbit.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Phibbus
Rohan


Sep 26 2012, 1:43pm


Views: 805
The nerve!


In Reply To
But if he enjoys the script, then there's little reason why he wouldn't enjoy the book.

Bad taste?
(sorry)
Seriously, as with LotR, I'm sure some people will prefer the movies' take on things. Of course, when we encounter them, it becomes our moral obligation, each and every one of us and unto our last breath, to demonstrate to them the fallacy that forms the centers of their being.

Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.


macfalk
Valinor


Sep 26 2012, 2:23pm


Views: 796
Demonstrate me

"Bad taste?
(sorry)
Seriously, as with LotR, I'm sure some people will prefer the movies' take on things. Of course, when we encounter them, it becomes our moral obligation, each and every one of us and unto our last breath, to demonstrate to them the fallacy that forms the centers of their being. "



I am one of those. I don't care if it makes me a NARF - I'm proud of it. Is there a problem with people like me prefering the movies over the books? Are we Tolkien-heretics, who needs to be converted to rid us of such blasphemous beliefs?

Sorry,but I'm getting bad vibes from your post.



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Phibbus
Rohan


Sep 26 2012, 2:37pm


Views: 754
Sorry

I should have stuck a smiley of some sort at the end of that.

I was lampooning Connoly's perception of "scary," over-the-top Tolkien fanaticism.

Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 26 2012, 2:43pm


Views: 760
We're going in circles.

I'll just nod and smile. Smile

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Elenorflower
Gondor


Sep 26 2012, 3:16pm


Views: 834
too right!!!

they should also get a clip round the lughole for good measure. Mad


Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Sep 26 2012, 5:40pm


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Or I could follow you around

and hold up a sign, if you like? ;)

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Phibbus
Rohan


Sep 26 2012, 6:32pm


Views: 818
Thank you

But I think you would have to walk in front as a fore-caution...

And it could become a full-time occupation...

Only serious applicants, please :)

Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 26 2012, 7:24pm


Views: 830
The poems are not rubbish

The Misty Mountain poem, for example, is one of the most evocative bits of writing in all of Tolkien's work, and a great poem that says a lot about the dwarves, and ancient modes of thinking.

I find it a little astounding how flippantly people trash Tolkien here, while criticisms of PJ are jumped on by legions as unfair, etc. etc.

Ah, well. To each his own, I suppose.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 26 2012, 7:26pm


Views: 817
Of course there's no problem

Though this is, of course, a website for fans of JRR Tolkien.

So it's not surprising that some people find your view surprising! Smile


Debba521
Registered User

Sep 26 2012, 8:43pm


Views: 802
Connolly Quotes

The guy's a big mouth, always has been. That's how he makes money. Just a shame he couldn't have shown a little more class and not insulted everyone from the author and filmmakers to the fans. I'll bet the filmmakers cringe every time he opens his mouth. Who knows, maybe they think he's funny, I don't. The thing about riding into battle on a pig nearly makes me sick. I hope that was just one of his bad jokes. But in the latest trailer, we do see a wizard flying through a forest on a sled pulled by giant bunnies, so I guess anything's possible...

Signed,
Someone a little less scary than
Billy Connolly Crazy


(This post was edited by Debba521 on Sep 26 2012, 8:45pm)


Tim
Tol Eressea


Sep 26 2012, 9:23pm


Views: 800
I haven't really seen anyone trash Tolkien around here.

Unimpressed

King Arthur: You know much that is hidden oh Tim.

Tim: Quite.


macfalk
Valinor


Sep 26 2012, 9:39pm


Views: 783
Well, thats just it

I am a big fan of JRRT - just on so much of LOTR as of The Hobbit. Almost all my critique towards Tolkien have been LOTR-related, when I actually love his other work of art so much (TH).



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 26 2012, 9:51pm


Views: 791
This seems pretty damning


Quote
It's linear, the characters are underdeveloped, it has a strange change of style in the last third, it has an intrusive narrative voice, the poems are rubbish and kill the pace, it's twee, and so on.


Not saying that people aren't free to do so, but there seems to be a much more virulent reaction when PJ's films are criticized.

It's just surprising, that's all, on a site "forged by and for fans of JRR Tolkien."

But honestly, I would rather have it this way, than to have an echo chamber. I can't abide echo chambers.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Sep 26 2012, 10:30pm


Views: 800
I don't know, seems you have to be virulent to get virulent, and this ain't virulent

and if I type virulent enough it starts to lose its meaning.

I've seen much more of people having a go at PJ, and in a much more virulent manner.

Virulently, even.

Laugh

King Arthur: You know much that is hidden oh Tim.

Tim: Quite.


Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Sep 27 2012, 3:47am


Views: 764
Not so fast, please


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Though this is, of course, a website for fans of JRR Tolkien.

So it's not surprising that some people find your view surprising! Smile


The disingenous smiley nothwithstanding, that's quite the unwelcoming statement.

TORn welcomes *everyone* that abides by our ToS. It makes no difference whatsoever whether they're a 'book firster' or 'movie-firster.' It makes no difference if they've never read the books. They still love Tolkien in their own way - yes, thanks to Peter Jackson's movies.

You keep saying it should be okay for people to 'consistently' (read constantly) dislike the movies in favor of the books, so don't be judging people who *like* the movies in favor of the books.


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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 27 2012, 5:37am


Views: 782
I don't judge at all

Here's another post of mine, that wasn't quoted in yours:


Quote
But honestly, I would rather have it this way, than to have an echo chamber. I can't abide echo chambers.


And calling something 'surprising' is hardly a judgment.

It means exactly what is says.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 27 2012, 5:56am


Views: 785
Not to mention

That I have not only been welcoming to macfalk, but he and I have had many humorous and cordial exchanges, with some friendly acerbic barbs here and there. We have also formally decided that we enjoy each others' company.

So, the smiley was not disingenuous at all (a state of being I am not very comfortable with, anyway).

Just ask him!


Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 27 2012, 8:03am


Views: 780
I'm giving examples of why people dislike The Hobbit

Not my own opinion.

It tends to be people close to the literary establishment who dislike Tolkien's poetry. Probably for being nieve, heartfelt, and accessible; rather than contrived and incomprehensible, which seems to be the fashion.

Personally, I like some of Tolkien's poems better than others, but even on his worst day he never wrote anything nearly as bad as Carol Anne Duffy's Olympic poem.

But it's all taste. The world would be very boring if everyone liked the same stuff.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


macfalk
Valinor


Sep 27 2012, 12:38pm


Views: 793
True

I enjoy discussing these topics with you, Shelob'sAppetite, and there's no hard feelings or anything.

However, I reacted, as Altaira to this.

"Though this is, of course, a website for fans of JRR Tolkien."

As much as I have enjoyed discussing various things on this board with you, and hopefully will in the future! I could not help feeling a little let down by the "a website for fans of JRR Tolkien" remark. It kind of felt like an insinuation that I don't "belong" here because I am not not a "fan" of JRR Tolkien. I am a fan, just not in the usual kind of way. It seems though that you didn't mean to have that sort of underlying message, but it was the initial reaction that I felt when reading it - if this was not your actual intent, which you say it wasn't (and I take your word for it) then I am prepared to let it go and move on Tongue




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Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 27 2012, 4:33pm


Views: 702
It's a bit late for an edit, but if you want to know what truly bad poetry looks like, go here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...london?newsfeed=true

Warning: if you have to gnaw of your left leg to get through it, I won't be held responsible.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...

(This post was edited by Fardragon on Sep 27 2012, 4:35pm)


entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Sep 27 2012, 6:20pm


Views: 710
Although the post was directed at you,

it received more than 100 views, so theoretically more than 100 people read the implicit message that only book fans are Real Fans. If that comment caused you to think you don't "belong" - someone who has been here a while and has had conversations with many of the others on this message board, how does that comment make others feel?

I agree with you and Altaira - this site is for anyone who considers him or herself a fan and there is no need to conform to some definition of real fan. All are welcome! Smile


elostirion74
Rohan

Sep 27 2012, 8:37pm


Views: 720
hardly probable

I should think he has read at least the start of The Hobbit at some point and then decided it´s not his cup of tea. When he has spent a considerable number of years deciding that books by Tolkien are not what he would want to read, it´s difficult to imagine that reading the script would change his mind much. The weight of time matters quite a lot when it comes to these things in my experience.

Not that Connolly´s opinion of the books matter much to me; especially since it´s evident from his comments that he hasn´t given the subject much thought. The only thing I want from him and expect from him is good acting.


Elenorflower
Gondor


Sep 27 2012, 9:41pm


Views: 700
and actually

its not linear, its episodic.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 28 2012, 1:16am


Views: 655
Got it

That makes sense.

However, the literary critics often miss the point of the poems. They are not written to be good, per se. They are usually written to say something about the character that is reciting it.

There is no reason, for example, for Sam's "troll" song/poem, to be "good" in terms of literary merit. It is a simple country song/poem, sung by a single country hobbit! It is meant to be rustic and "not that great" from a literary perspective.

Though personally, I find it delightful. Smile


Laitholiel_the_SeaElf
Lorien


Sep 29 2012, 4:51am


Views: 695
Well, it IS the Holy Grail... of fantasy....

Tolkien essentially created this genre, so lovers of fantasy fiction owe him quite a debt of gratitude.




But you are what you love,
And not what loves you back.
And I'm in love with illusions
So saw me in half.
I'm in love with tricks
So pull another rabbit out your hat.




Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 29 2012, 5:18am


Views: 656
Understood

And I apologize for any offense caused, as that wasn't my intention at all. In fact, I wasn't implying that only fans of Tolkien should post here, but only that it is surprising to hear that someone likes the movies better.

Immediately after the comment quoted by Altaira, I included the following:

"So it's not surprising that some people find your view surprising!"


The reason I stated this website's tagline was not to ostracize, but to only explain why someone like me might find your perspective "surprising."

That was stated inelegantly, to be sure. But it really is all I meant. Because as I said before, I greatly abhor an echo chamber, and prefer places where diverse opinions are on display.

Indeed, if you suddenly decided that you liked the books better than the films, this would be a slightly more boring place!

Smile

In any event, my apologies to you or anyone else who might have taken offense!

-SA


Tim
Tol Eressea


Sep 29 2012, 1:58pm


Views: 700
Ah, this takes me back

I remember reading The Hobbit. Then I remember reading Lord of the Rings. I don't remember ringing up Billy Connolly and asking him to form my opinion for me after I read them.

My point? It's his take on things. He's entitled. Didn't matter to me back then, doesn't matter to me now. Cool

King Arthur: You know much that is hidden oh Tim.

Tim: Quite.