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WB Announces Release Date and Final Titles for Films Two and Three...



Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Aug 31 2012, 11:59pm


Views: 7651
WB Announces Release Date and Final Titles for Films Two and Three...
The 2nd film will be called The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug, opening December 13th 2013. The third film will be called The Hobbit: There and Back Again and open on July 18th, 2014.

Source:
http://www.deadline.com/...ed-for-july-18-2014/
"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 1 2012, 12:01am


Views: 4766
Always seemed like the most obvious candidate
And it's fine by me, I suppose.


imin
Valinor


Sep 1 2012, 12:02am


Views: 4761
And now we know!
Thanks for posting - it has been interesting speculating on what the names will be, with most guessing what they are actually called.

There reason for a summer release is as i guessed - tentpole movie for that summer.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Sep 1 2012, 12:07am


Views: 4782
I don't particularly like it.
It just doesn't fit with the other two titles.


Carne
Tol Eressea

Sep 1 2012, 12:10am


Views: 4736
Best out of the 3 alternatives.
 


stoutfiles
Rohan

Sep 1 2012, 12:12am


Views: 4693
At least it's not Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies
That would have been a miserable title for the third movie.


TomthePilgrim
Rohan


Sep 1 2012, 12:12am


Views: 4663
Nice to have a firm date . . .
. . . other than "coming in July 2014" Wink

The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began
Now far ahead the Road has gone
And I must follow, if I can

"Thorin sat up with a start. 'Something is not right,' he muttered to himself as he stood up and
looked towards the mirror . . . . . . . . . 'Durin's bones', he gasped, 'what's happened to my beard?'"


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Sep 1 2012, 12:16am


Views: 4791
I would have prefered....
TH1: Riddles in the Dark
TH2: Desolation of Smaug
TH3: Battle of Five Armies

Again, Desolation of Smaug feels out of place now.


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Sep 1 2012, 12:17am)


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Sep 1 2012, 12:53am


Views: 4687
The Quest
Folks here have been concerned that moviegoers would be confused about Smaug and would think he's the final quest and that the films - the quest - would end with his death. This title, being in part 2 out of 3, makes it obvious for casual fans that Smaug is not the end of all things. It also highlights Smaug - as it should.

It's a lot like the title of "Star Wars: Attack of the Clones," but with the added benefit that George Lucas isn't involved. Wink The clones aren't the end-all. Just a stop along the way.

Also, if you like the suggestion that Smaug is Sauron's device, you'll love its parallel with The Emporer and the clones.


(This post was edited by JWPlatt on Sep 1 2012, 12:57am)


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Sep 1 2012, 1:24am


Views: 4501
BOOM
called it. awesome awesome. I'm so excited I can't believe they are using "desolation" in a movie title. The word has so many subtle meanings. This is great news.
"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien

"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas


Ardamírë
Valinor


Sep 1 2012, 1:35am


Views: 4488
So agreed.
I'm not set on The Desolation of Smaug, but at least it's rooted in Tolkien.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast, as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower."


Lost Hobbit
Rivendell


Sep 1 2012, 1:40am


Views: 4495
The map
Sure. It's taken from label on Thror's map, which clearly says "The Desolation of Smaug" Wink


Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Sep 1 2012, 1:43am


Views: 4499
Take the good with the not so good, I suppose.
I'm still nervous about the whole 3 film expansion, but I do trust PJ. I don't think, however, that the third film should be released in summer. These films are more prestigious than the average "summer blockbuster", and the whole franchise has been a series of holiday season releases. It just doesn't feel right.

As for the titles, I'm very happy they've kept "There and Back Again" for the final film. I was terrified that they would drop it in favor of "The Battle of Five Armies", which would have been horrible. Crazy I'm a bit lukewarm on "The Desolation of Smaug", as it doesn't feel right with the other titles - but this could just be because I was so at home with the original 2 film concept.

Now if we can just have that trailer...Smile
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- T.E. Lawrence


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Sep 1 2012, 1:45am


Views: 4495
totally
I think for anyone who only has a passing knowledge of Middle-Earth, Smaug's tiny pagetime relative to his IMMENSE PRESENCE in The Hobbit is honestly disappointing in retrospect, but I think that by somewhat acknowledging that he isn't the climax of the story it will temper expectations and also generate excitement for "OMG WTF ELSE CAN THERE BE" after his demise in the "final chapter."
"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien

"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas


Ardamírë
Valinor


Sep 1 2012, 1:45am


Views: 4413
I know.
That's why I said it's rooted in Tolkien. I just don't think it sounds good as a title.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast, as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower."


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Sep 1 2012, 2:14am


Views: 4397
So...
The journey ends on my 24th birthday. *prepares oodles of LotR birthday related jokes*

That's the only thing I like about the third movie being released in the summer.Laugh


mandel
Rivendell


Sep 1 2012, 2:23am


Views: 4559
Ending the second film
The trick will be making sure the audience knows there's more to the story and *anticipates* more. How will PJ do this? Leave the Dol Guldur storyline's resolution for film 3? Plant the seeds for Thorin's haughty refusal to share the Erebor treasure in film 2?

With LOTR, the endgame is clear: destroy the ring. With TH, the most obvious assumption is to think that the death of Smaug is the climax. How will PJ manage to make it clear to film firsters that it truly *isn't*?


(This post was edited by mandel on Sep 1 2012, 2:24am)


Ardamírë
Valinor


Sep 1 2012, 2:35am


Views: 4341
Nice to have a set date.
But...I'm still not convinced Film 3 won't be pushed back to December.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast, as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower."


Escapist
Gondor

Sep 1 2012, 2:36am


Views: 4347
Makes me excited to go there, see the dragon, and then come back home //
 
Show or do not show, there is no tell.


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Sep 1 2012, 2:39am


Views: 4435
tricky
It's tricky because in many ways of our protagonists think Smaug's demise IS the climax. They did not anticipate nor plan for what would happen after they arrived at the mountain nor what was to happen once they reclaimed the gold. The goal was to kill Smaug and to take the treasure. I know it's more nuanced but correct me if I'm wrong on the broad strokes. It's been awhile since I last read it. Angelic
"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien

"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas


Carne
Tol Eressea

Sep 1 2012, 3:03am


Views: 4387
Well, it doesn't have to end right after that
They can do something withThranduil and Dain arriving.


(This post was edited by Carne on Sep 1 2012, 3:04am)


duats
Grey Havens

Sep 1 2012, 3:31am


Views: 4408
My misgivings about three films aside
The Desolation of Smaug is such a great title. And at least we won't have to wait until December 2014 to see the conclusion to this story.


MatthewJer18
Rohan

Sep 1 2012, 3:46am


Views: 4299
Agreed. For some reason
I really like seeing the word "desolation" in a title.


Bladerunner
Gondor


Sep 1 2012, 3:54am


Views: 4235
But now you can have your "There and Back Again" E.E. DVD or Blu-ray in time for Christmas 2014. (0:
In Reply To
.... and the whole franchise has been a series of holiday season releases. It just doesn't feel right.


SaltedPork
Bree


Sep 1 2012, 4:00am


Views: 4248
TH: TDOS
Just practicing writing that out... Wink


Bladerunner
Gondor


Sep 1 2012, 4:10am


Views: 2041
...and other assorted box sets!....//
 


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Sep 1 2012, 4:23am


Views: 2044
OK
Three movies
in 3-d
Three titles,
Three dates set,

Time to live with it. Nothing is going to change.Evil
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Life is an adventure, not a contest.

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Owain
Tol Eressea


Sep 1 2012, 4:23am


Views: 2027
Very exciting news!//
Laugh
Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Ruxendil_Thoorg
Tol Eressea


Sep 1 2012, 4:36am


Views: 2035
Yep, called the titles also. Boo-yah! //
 
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Ruxendil_Thoorg
Tol Eressea


Sep 1 2012, 4:38am


Views: 2047
*rubs hands* 3rd film comes out the day before my birthday! //
 
A bag is like a hole that you can carry with you.

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Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Sep 1 2012, 4:48am


Views: 2027
Don't forget!
The fourth blu-ray release of LotR with repackaged bonus material.Tongue


TheBeerBaron
Rivendell


Sep 1 2012, 5:50am


Views: 2050
Awesome!
However, the third title doesn't really fit as a bunch of stuff has already happened before he was "there" and it also means that they're kind of painting themselves into a corner and will have to a bit more than a montage of "back again".

Bo5a would have been just as much a spoiler as rotk; something which I believe Tolkien himself objected to.

Still, I'm sure they'll be awesome and I can't wait to get stuck in!


Istaris'staffs
Rivendell


Sep 1 2012, 6:15am


Views: 1996
So excited!
"The Hobbit’ Trilogy. Opening in July affords us not only the perfect summer tentpole, but fans will have less time to wait for the finale of this epic adventure.” --Warner Brothers.

Would have preferred the December screening but oh well. Less time to wait for more Middle Earth. "Desolation of Smaug" is an alright title. Average at best.


Bound
Rohan


Sep 1 2012, 7:59am


Views: 1988
It's hard to be excited...
It's good for people to know the titles and know the release dates... But i'm not sold on the idea of a Trilogy.. I fear Peter Jackson doesn't know what editing is... it's called a cutting floor for a reason.. :)

Ahh well I guess we'll have to wait and see how things turn out but I'm not getting excited about titles ....
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imin
Valinor


Sep 1 2012, 8:00am


Views: 2013
I feel like some others here, relating to the title of second movie
I dont think it fits with either an unexpected journey or there and back again in terms of how they feel. But i am beginning to like it more and more and think it isnt that bad now and i think by the time it comes out in around 470 or so days i will like it Cool


Crunchable Birdses
Rohan


Sep 1 2012, 8:09am


Views: 2023
disappointed.
I was hoping they'd drop the title There and Back Again. It's really quite dull.
* crunch *


TheBeerBaron
Rivendell


Sep 1 2012, 8:18am


Views: 1958
Well
I kind of see where you're coming from, but at the same time it is still rather whimsical, which is a good thing.

Hmm...the journey in FOTR is no less expected than the one in AUJ though. DOS is pretty spoilery, although I guess that some will interpret it as the desolation caused by Smaug.


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Sep 1 2012, 9:11am


Views: 1920
Good choices!
Just so happy that they kept the There and back again title. And Desolation of Smaug is in keeping with the "straight from the books" theme.

I wonder if we'll get to see more dragons, and more of the dragon history than just Smaug? Ok, Silmarilliony stuff is off limits (unless referred to in the Appendixes?), but they might get something in. And the whole long history of the region is out there for them to play. Can't wait.
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied

(This post was edited by Faenoriel on Sep 1 2012, 9:11am)


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 1 2012, 9:12am


Views: 1875
What a birthday that will be!! /
 


SteveDJ
Rivendell

Sep 1 2012, 9:12am


Views: 1926
July release? So much for getting another Oscar...
I think at least part of the success of RotK at the Academy Awards was the close proximity to the movie's release (mid-Dec) to the award ceremony. The academy members likely were still on the emotional 'high' of the completion of films/trilogy so well done, and not enough time to be 'talked out' of voting for it (in favor of the more typical artsy films) before they had to vote.

With a July release, everyone will have 'calmed down' from the emotional ride, and I don't think it will fare as well come award time.

This, of course, presuming that Hobbit trilogy is as good as LotR -- and of course, it is going to be, right? Laugh


(This post was edited by SteveDJ on Sep 1 2012, 9:21am)


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 1 2012, 9:14am


Views: 1924
Let's see....
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
The Hobbit: There and Back Again
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King

Oh my Laugh


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 1 2012, 9:16am


Views: 2097
There's only one massive problem with "The Desolation of Smaug" as the title...
I have to start pronouncing Smaug correctly...

Thank god Radagast isn't in the title as well.


SteveDJ
Rivendell

Sep 1 2012, 9:19am


Views: 2009
Perhaps the short 6 months between 2 and 3 is due to lack of ending...
Basically, I wonder if the ending for 2 is turning out to be rather weak... and instead of leaving the audience hanging for an entire year, they have accelerated the release of the third film?


Alientraveller
Lorien


Sep 1 2012, 9:24am


Views: 1922
Good to hear
It'd have been a shame if TABA had been dropped as a title.

Is it just me, now that the July release date's been confirmed, that most of Hollywood knew of The Hobbit becoming a trilogy long before any of us. It seems clearer to me now that films like Captain America 2 and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes were being set for April to avoid Middle-earth? However, Wikipedia says X-Men: Days of Future Past was also set for July 18 and Fox is either going to ask Matthew Vaughn to move or delay its release.
"Sure, it's not really The Lord of the Rings, but it could still be a pretty damn cool movie." - PJ


SteveDJ
Rivendell

Sep 1 2012, 9:24am


Views: 1941
But... Trilogy Thursday just doesn't have the same feel to it...
Looking at the calendar for July 2014, the Fourth of July that year is on Friday. It would seem to make a lot more sense if they released it on July2 - a Wednesday - giving them the full 5 day weekend like has been done before. And then we could have the repeat of "Trilogy Tuesday" on the 1st.

Trilogy Thursday just doesn't sound right... :(


guitarzankansasfan
Lorien


Sep 1 2012, 9:24am


Views: 1962
That acronym looks computer-y
TH: TDOS looks like it should be the name of an operating system for an 8-bit computer. I keep picturing a 5 1/4" diskette with TH: TDOS written on the label.

"...and the power of Mordor was scattering like dust in the wind."


dormouse
Half-elven


Sep 1 2012, 9:27am


Views: 1972
Delighted...
...to see they've kept 'There and Back Again' for the final film. After all, it's Tolkien's title, and it suggests to me that they might have the gentler-paced ending I'm hoping for, like the book.

'The Desolation of Smaug' is excellent too - so many shades of meaning.

If I could have chosen I'd have liked to see the third film released at Christmas, but you can't win 'em all!

Also, as I don't think anyone else has mentioned it, I'd just like to throw in a cheer for the image of Bilbo walking through the doorway of Bag End which seems to be the leading image for this film. It's been around for some time now, but I was just thinking yesterday, seeing it all over the shelves of Waterstones on the Annual and new film tie-in editions of the book, it's perfect for The Hobbit.


imin
Valinor


Sep 1 2012, 9:36am


Views: 1966
I think i know how you pronounce Smaug
Is it like Smorg rather than Smowg? I say Smorg but have been saying as more Smowg for a while now - doesnt feel so alien any more, lol.

Also im guessing you pronounce Radagast a lil different as well, how do you say it? Smile


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 1 2012, 9:42am


Views: 1959
Yup, I say Smorg
Smowg just doesn't feel right.

Radagast is a bit harder to explain. I pronounce it like Rada-jast, rather than Rada-ghast, if that makes any sense? I don't like the "proper" way Wink


imin
Valinor


Sep 1 2012, 9:49am


Views: 1899
Rada-jast
never heard of it being pronounced that way before, lol, though i can see how you can think it is that way.

I think once you have an idea of how a certain characters name is said, then that is basically it and not much will change it. I am pleased i say fili, kili, oin, gloin the same as what they will in the films, only Smorg for me. To me although i am getting used to Smowg from repetition it just doesnt seem to fit as well as Smorg for a dragon.


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 1 2012, 9:53am


Views: 2024
I can live with saying Smaug properly
I just prefer my way of saying Radagast Evil. I've tried finding a clip of someone saying it my way, but I can't find any. I've seen/heard some before, I'm not alone! Cool

I wonder how the general audience will say Smaug?


imin
Valinor


Sep 1 2012, 9:57am


Views: 2023
Lol i doubt you are the only one!
Just like with Smaug i think with Radagast there are two obvious ways to say it. Unfortunately you picked the 'wrong' one for each, lol.

I think the general audience will say both like we do, but then after the films the amount of people saying it Smowg will grow massively and we will be a dying breed haha.


macfalk
Valinor


Sep 1 2012, 11:15am


Views: 2001
I have been pronouncing Smaug correctly since I first read TH!
Then again, my first language isn't English, so I suppose that helps Evil


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QuackingTroll
Valinor


Sep 1 2012, 11:29am


Views: 1950
Anybody else checking if the website domains work?
I'll save you some effort. They don't.


TheHutt
Gondor


Sep 1 2012, 11:29am


Views: 1988
The Hobbit 2

Russian LotR/Hobbit Site: henneth-annun.ru


lurtz2010
Rohan

Sep 1 2012, 11:52am


Views: 1993
I actually wanted The Battle of Five Armies instead of There and Back Again
I think that There and Back Again would've worked better if it was the title of the whole trilogy instead of The Hobbit. For it to be the title of the third movie it would feel more like Already There and Back Again or The Rest of The Way There and Back Again. I understand why people wouldn't like the The Battle of Five Armies for the title but in my opinion it would be the best title ever, though I did think Attack of The Clones was an epic title too...
The Desolation Of Smaug is a perfect title for second movie, really what else could it be?


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 1 2012, 11:58am


Views: 1965
I wonder how they are going to relate the title of the film, to what we actually see
The Desolation of Smaug refers to the large geographical area which Smaug destroyed. Not particularly relevant to the actual film - can we expect lots of flashbacks, unraveling the events, during the Dwarves journey?


Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Sep 1 2012, 11:59am


Views: 1962
nice Avatar change imin :D. Just had to say that. //
 
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lurtz2010
Rohan

Sep 1 2012, 11:59am


Views: 1928
what's wrong with it?
what would you rather it had been? I think it's better if the titles are actual chapter names or other significant phrases from the book instead of something made up like An Unexpected Journey was


Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Sep 1 2012, 12:01pm


Views: 1925
Yeah, you're probably right Daniel, they might indeed focus more in the 2nd film on Dwarven history perhaps..
.., on the Physical Desolation that he caused, as well as of course his own Desolation. Clever use of words IMO.
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painjoiker
Grey Havens


Sep 1 2012, 12:13pm


Views: 1956
An Unexpected Journey isn't completely made up...
It's taken from "An Unexpected Party" and just changed the word Party to Journey to make it more relevant to the film ;)
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imin
Valinor


Sep 1 2012, 12:20pm


Views: 1922
Thank you, not sure how many know what is is of, lol. I am a fan of your blue wizards by Ted Nasmith :) //
 


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 1 2012, 12:42pm


Views: 1895
Why add an "r"
To Smaug to make Smorg?


imin
Valinor


Sep 1 2012, 12:51pm


Views: 1913
I think it depends on accents
For me its not an American rolling r its more a short British r, kinda not there as it just floats on the end of the au sound, make sense? lol.


dormouse
Half-elven


Sep 1 2012, 1:03pm


Views: 1902
Hard to know what 'the proper way' is sometimes....
Smaug has always been 'Smowg' to me, but I've only ever thought of wot's-is-name as 'Rada-gassed' not 'Rada-ghast' or even 'Rada-jast'! Wink


Spaldron
Rivendell


Sep 1 2012, 1:10pm


Views: 1863
4th July is an American holiday
Quote
Looking at the calendar for July 2014, the Fourth of July that year is on Friday. It would seem to make a lot more sense if they released it on July2 - a Wednesday - giving them the full 5 day weekend like has been done before.
The rest of the world doesn't celebrate July 4th so moving the release to suit one holiday in one country makes little sense for an internationally released film.
"A single dream is more powerful than a thousand realities."


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 1 2012, 1:14pm


Views: 1843
Ahhh ... that's what they will do
Show the desolation caused by Smaug, and his own desolution. Not that of that.


Carne
Tol Eressea

Sep 1 2012, 1:14pm


Views: 1874
Different as I'm Norwegian
But I just pronounce the name as it's written: Smaug.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Sep 1 2012, 1:18pm


Views: 1881
I gotta disagree
It is one market but by far the biggest market. Studios release big tentpoles on July 4th every year. Having said that, i dunno what is already opening on that weekend in 2014, maybe there's already competition. And it's not like July 18 has done badly for WB, the last two Batmans and the last Harry Potter have done well on that date (or thereabout).


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Sep 1 2012, 1:19pm)


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 1 2012, 1:24pm


Views: 1856
You'll have to explain that one Carne?
Do you say Sma-ug then? Smile


geordie
Tol Eressea

Sep 1 2012, 1:27pm


Views: 1863
I know -
- of couse I know; I'm a collector. Wink But I'll let you keep your secret, till you feel like divulging to the rest of the group.Smile


burgahobbit
Rohan


Sep 1 2012, 1:38pm


Views: 1867
I prefer the initials: DOS
to TDOS. There's no particular reason that we need the "The" in front. We don't use it with FOTR or ROTK. Just my preference. Wink


geordie
Tol Eressea

Sep 1 2012, 1:40pm


Views: 1877
Smaug is smowg and Radagast is, well, as it's spelt
- that is, with hard 'g'. Unless it were Anglo-Saxon. Smile

In defence of this point; I was listening the other day to a recording of a very illuminating talk by Brian Sibley, on the subject of the BBC's 1981 adaptation of LotR. far from being 'curmudgeonly', as I've seen him described on these boards recently - ahem - Christopher Tolkien gave the scriptwriters a lot of invaluable help, in the form of a taped pronounciation guide. This guide was typed up for use of the cast and production crew; copies were made available to the Tolkien Society for sale to its members. I still have mine.

As part of his talk, Brian played an excerpt of Christopher's tape to the audience. Christopher pronounced Thengel as 'Thenjel'. Brian switched off the tape, and told his audience that he'd written to Christopher querying this, and that CT had replied that he was mistaken. 'Thengel' - with a hard 'g' - was the way his father pronounced the name, and therefore correct. Mind you, 'Thenjel' would have been the correct way to pronounce the name in Anglo-Saxon - So now we know!

Smile


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 1 2012, 1:41pm


Views: 1840
"There and Back Again" opens on the same day as "X-Men: Days of Future Past"
Wonder if the latter will get pushed back or forward.


Carne
Tol Eressea

Sep 1 2012, 1:43pm


Views: 1890
Hard to explain
I'll record myself saying it, hang on.


burgahobbit
Rohan


Sep 1 2012, 1:44pm


Views: 1911
I say Smog
as in fog, dog, log...But I have also been trying to get into the practice of saying "Smowg".


dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Sep 1 2012, 1:45pm


Views: 1929
What's even funnier, "dos" is Spanish for "two".
Coincidence?

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Carne
Tol Eressea

Sep 1 2012, 1:46pm


Views: 1888
Here you go:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0lyQoD5By13


burgahobbit
Rohan


Sep 1 2012, 1:47pm


Views: 1908
Not only that...
But also at the end of ROTK, one of Bilbo's original titles for his journal was "My Unexpected Journey".


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 1 2012, 1:50pm


Views: 1864
Thanks Carne :-)
Understood now - though still not sure how one would spell it phonetically. Sounds more accurate than Smorg.

Does anyone else say a word too many times and it just sound weird after a while? Well, I've said Smaug too much today - it just sounds weird now. Laugh


(This post was edited by DanielLB on Sep 1 2012, 1:51pm)


burgahobbit
Rohan


Sep 1 2012, 1:52pm


Views: 1892
I completely agree
With pretty much everything you said! But although another December film would be great, the summer release let's us see it faster!! Tongue


burgahobbit
Rohan


Sep 1 2012, 1:53pm


Views: 1888
Awesome!!!!
I never noticed that before!

LaughSlySlyLaughLaughLaugh


Elessar
Valinor


Sep 1 2012, 2:04pm


Views: 1864
Love it
All three titles work great to me. They feel right and tell you what's going to happen. They're also similar to how the titles for lotr were done in brook/movies. The titles just feel like middle-earth and I can wait to go back into the movie verse while I'm reading the books again. :)


geordie
Tol Eressea

Sep 1 2012, 3:18pm


Views: 1896
Oh, gawd...
"Veronika Kwan Vandenberg, President of International Distribution, Warner Bros. Pictures, added, “The Hobbit: There and Back Again†will be an action spectacle and an emotional conclusion for this already much-anticipated trilogy.'"

I thought pJ's films wern't supposed to be 'action movies' ?

*BTW - unless I'm going mad, this quote was in the piece linked to in the OP. But now I can't find it. The bit i've cut and pasted from is from another website, here -

http://nukethefridge.com/2012/08/31/third-hobbit-movie-release-date-and-title-announced/

.


dormouse
Half-elven


Sep 1 2012, 4:17pm


Views: 1849
Maybe you're not the one to ask, geordie...
...but can you or can anyone tell what on earth "Opening in the summer will maximise playability" is supposed to mean??? Crazy


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Sep 1 2012, 4:23pm


Views: 1830
They ain't action movies like Die Hard.
But they contain action, so nothing wrong with pointing that out.

What caught my eye rather was "emotional". Sounds good. Smile


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Sep 1 2012, 4:27pm


Views: 1824
Maybe "an action spectacle" is different from an action movie...
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HiddenSpring
Lorien

Sep 1 2012, 4:29pm


Views: 1830
Good titles
Personally I would have preferred 'The Desolation of the Dragon'. We all know 'The Lord of the Rings' means Sauron, 'The Hobbit' means Bilbo and that the King in 'RotK' refers to Aragorn, but no name had been made explicit before. Then again, maybe expliciting his name is a nice demonstration of his narcissism. Tongue


(This post was edited by HiddenSpring on Sep 1 2012, 4:33pm)


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 1 2012, 4:32pm


Views: 1822
I don't/didn't think the King in ROTK is/was too obvious
When I first begun reading The Fellowship of the Ring (I would have been 10(ish)), I thought The Return of the King meant Sauron. That was for the first couple of chapters, mind. Tongue. Aragorn hadn't been introduced, and neither do you find out about his true identity for a while. Why would one think differently?


Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Sep 1 2012, 4:34pm


Views: 1785
You're talking about a quote...
from a Warner Brothers suit. It shouldn't surprise anyone that they'll highlight the action of the film in a press release. That's just what they do. Tongue
"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence


HiddenSpring
Lorien

Sep 1 2012, 4:37pm


Views: 1784
Me too...
I also thought it meant Sauron at first. That's why "The Return of the King" is a better title than "The Return of Aragorn" or "The Return of King Elessar" Smile

And I just think the word "dragon" is more evocative and whimsical than "Smaug" (it sounds too much like "smog" to my foreign self.)


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Sep 1 2012, 4:41pm


Views: 1786
Not really keen at all on the second title...
It really interrupts the "flow" between AUJ and TABA, and sounds more fitting for a cheesy 80's "Conan the Barbarian"-style romp than the epic which PJ is apparently attempting to create...we'll see, however. IMO, a better trio of titles would have been:

An Unexpected Journey
The Lonely Mountain
There and Back Again
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 1 2012, 4:41pm


Views: 1789
The Desolation of the Dragon would make more sense
Rather than explicitly naming Smaug, but it's a bit of a mouthful.

How about, The Ravage of the Dragon Tongue


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Sep 1 2012, 4:48pm


Views: 1763
Someone who agrees with me! :) //
 


duats
Grey Havens

Sep 1 2012, 5:00pm


Views: 1805
X-Men fans are going nuts over this
 


SteveDJ
Rivendell

Sep 1 2012, 5:06pm


Views: 1732
Why? //
 


(This post was edited by SteveDJ on Sep 1 2012, 5:06pm)


Carne
Tol Eressea

Sep 1 2012, 5:09pm


Views: 1768
Because the next X-Men movie and the 3rd Hobbit movie both premiere on the same day
Which means one of them will earn less money at the box office, and I think we know which one that will be Wink

Fox are probably terrified now. Bet they're going to delay the movie.


(This post was edited by Carne on Sep 1 2012, 5:10pm)


duats
Grey Havens

Sep 1 2012, 5:11pm


Views: 1757
It's more likely that one of the films will move
There isn't a snowball's chance in hell of these two movies keeping the same release date. Someone's going to move (and I think we have a pretty good idea of which one that will be).

Hence, X-Men fans are furious.


macfalk
Valinor


Sep 1 2012, 5:14pm


Views: 1762
I just wish The Hobbit would move.
To christmas. It's such a nice tradition with Tolkien movies at Christmas. Why ruin in that in what looks like the last Tolkien movie in our lifetime (well, almost. Cause I don't think Silmarillion will be filmed anytime soon... )

I would gladly wait those 5 extra months just to see it premiere on Christmas. Releasing the last movie just 6 months after the former isn't a good idea, either.


The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


SteveDJ
Rivendell

Sep 1 2012, 5:16pm


Views: 1808
At least the first film's title didn't change -- because they couldn't...
I just opened my LEGO Helm's Deep kit this morning, and while looking at the instruction booklets, noticed a page talking about LEGO Hobbit. At the bottom, lots of legal-ese about how "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" is trademarked and all that.

So it occurs to me that at the very least, the first movie's title is now Cast In Stone, so to speak. Any/All companies that have licensed use of The Hobbit in upcoming products would be very unhappy if they had to change things on their packaging -- which is probably already in full production for holiday sales.

... well, ok... this is just my theory ... but I'm sticking with it for now... Tongue


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Sep 1 2012, 5:53pm


Views: 1970
"DOS" sounds like an obsolete operating system. :P //
 
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


geordie
Tol Eressea

Sep 1 2012, 6:04pm


Views: 1944
I'm exactly the right bloke to ask -
- I'll just feed this into my English to bullshine translator... waits for the lights to blink... beep.. here we are -

Opening in the summer will maximise playability.. translates to... 'We can garner yet more dosh'.

Well, there you go - what can't speak can't lie. (though that old saw seems to apply to Hollywood suits, too).

Crazy



DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 1 2012, 6:05pm


Views: 1895
Is it bad to hope for the film to be delayed, just so it's on at Christmas?
And so it delays it finishing for another 5 months? Crazy


Tim
Tol Eressea


Sep 1 2012, 6:34pm


Views: 1904
I like all the titles
I'm also glad I don't have to wait a year in between the 2nd and 3rd movies.
King Arthur: You know much that is hidden oh Tim.

Tim: Quite.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Sep 1 2012, 6:39pm


Views: 1876
I'm with you Tim
was kind of hoping for The Battle of Five Armies for film 3 but, then, this remains Bilbo's tale after all.
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Sep 1 2012, 7:45pm


Views: 1858
This announcement was the nicest birthday present I could have received...
Ironic that I hadn't seen it until the day after! Ha!
'Thus spake Ioreth, wise-woman of Gondor: The hands of the king are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known.' - Gandalf the White


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Sep 1 2012, 9:00pm


Views: 1826
Especially if it starred Bruce Lee! //
 
Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Sep 1 2012, 9:05pm


Views: 1829
I too like the Titles as chosen.
You might as well name the last movie "The War Bit" as "The Battle of Five Armies". I am hoping that the last movie is about more than the battle.
Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Sep 1 2012, 10:16pm


Views: 1793
Speaking as someone...
who was impatient throughout the release of the trilogy, I can say that time has taught me not to be so hasty. Wink

We face many years ahead when the release of 'The Hobbit' films will be but a memory. I honestly don't know why anybody is in a great hurry to blaze through this wonderful experience we're all about to have.
"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence


Sunflower
Valinor

Sep 1 2012, 11:13pm


Views: 1792
Hah.
Am I the only one who thinks Peter Jackson has something up his sleeve?

Such as nodding, wide-eyed, to WB suit and agreeing, "Yes, yes, yes" to the Summer Tentpole release, but having scored his victory in getting his 3 months+ of additional shooting, will find a way to, er, extend that post-production period via delays, so that the studio will have no choice but to move the last film's release to Dec? Evil Having gotten your goal, only a fool would argue at that stage.... And having the filming take place AFTER the first film's release when its made a bazillion $ and (maybe?) gotten some Oscar nods, even in the technicals (which HP never got in 10 yrs...) thus sending WB the message that this deserves to be treated as more than a HP-style franchise (so far my nightmares ae coming true, and all indications are that for WB to them this not Tolkien but nothing more than the latest Franchise MUCH different than New Line's respectful treatment of LOTR)....well, by that point a mollified WB will be much less upset at Peter when he drops this bombshell on them. THEN they'll open their eyes and see that a Dec release for TABA (LOVE these acronyms!) relally is the best choice.
And if they argue, he could just remind them, "well, Titanic was supposed to come out in July too." Evil

Let's hope this pans out this way. At this point, this whole saga has had so many twists and turns, I do believe this scenario is remotely possible. It all depends on the critical reception Dec 14th or just before. Gadzooks, the nerves....only 3 1/2 more months until we find out The Verdict. Initial verdict means a lot. At this stage, some in the industry are taking a much less sympathetic view of Peter b/c of the 48fps thing and expanding to trilogy....there's a lot of skepticm and GL's name has been thrown around. Everything could either move forward like LOTR...or not.


(This post was edited by Sunflower on Sep 1 2012, 11:20pm)


Owain
Tol Eressea


Sep 2 2012, 12:20am


Views: 1777
Indeed, it is very possible that they will push the 3rd film back...
Especially if Peter Jackson asks for more time.

At this point the summer release of the 3rd film sounds like an ideal goal for their tentpole plans. But since those plans constantly shift and change, I too wouldn't be surprised to see the 3rd movie moved back to the holidays.

Like you and many others have said, it will probably depend on the success of the previous 2. If critics and audiences love the movies, then I could see it being moved closer to awards season but if the schedule is thin and they are lacking a big draw, it very well may come in the summer time.

No matter what time of year, I want to see them but there is definitely a nostalgic connection to seeing them around the holidays. I think I associate the experience with cold weather, snow, and all the wintery things (hot mugs of tea, sweaters, getting warm by a fire etc.)
Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 2 2012, 5:07am


Views: 1705
I hope not
I want to see the conclusion of the Hobbit films before I die.

Summer 2014 sounds better than Christmas to me!

Also, there's no ironclad rule that a summer release can't be an Oscar contender.


macfalk
Valinor


Sep 2 2012, 7:33am


Views: 1701
What is 5 months?
IMO, given how many years I've been anxiously waiting for this to happen, the elusive green light and all, 5 months is nothing... if it's something I've learned while anticipating PJ's(or before that, GDT's) Hobbit, it's patience.


The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Welsh hero
Gondor


Sep 2 2012, 8:38am


Views: 1681
can't they move the third film to 10th of July
for my birthday Wink
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JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Sep 2 2012, 2:59pm


Views: 1632
Existential
In Reply To
I want to see the conclusion of the Hobbit films before I die.
Once you're dead, you won't care. If you're alive to see all the films, you'll enjoy it. If you die after having seen it, you won't care about having seen it. If you die before, you still won't care. So it matters not.

Tongue


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea


Sep 2 2012, 3:37pm


Views: 1592
plus
Maybe if you´re dead you will be able to see it without paying for the ticket, nothing to worry about indeedTongue


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 2 2012, 4:26pm


Views: 1583
But you miss
The lead up to death. If I know I am dying, and know I will get to see the last film before I die, then I will be more content in my road to death!


Patty
Immortal


Sep 2 2012, 7:06pm


Views: 1561
The title works for me, although I'm not sure how many people who didn't see the first movie...
will be curious due to that title.

My big happiness is that they are not making us wait until the next December to see the ending.
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Sep 2 2012, 10:01pm


Views: 1570
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Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Sep 3 2012, 2:15am


Views: 1559
There have always been Snark-At-ers at Cold Comfort Forum...
*cue chorus of gloomy "Aye"s...*

Laugh
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Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you." -On Fairy Stories

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guitarzankansasfan
Lorien


Sep 3 2012, 5:10am


Views: 1540
He'll always be Smog to me.
That's how my 8th grade teacher pronounced it when I was introduced to The Hobbit, so that's how it imprinted on me. Regardless of how Professor Tolkien (by the way, is that Toll-keen or Toll-kin?) pronounced it.


guitarzankansasfan
Lorien


Sep 3 2012, 5:14am


Views: 1554
I hope none of us actually dies
It would be a real bummer. Unsure


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 3 2012, 5:51am


Views: 1624
Toll-keen {NT}