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FotR, TT, and RotK 5 disc blu-ray sets



Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Aug 26 2012, 3:53am


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FotR, TT, and RotK 5 disc blu-ray sets
I know they were talked about a while ago when they were first announced, but I haven't noticed anyone posting this yet.

http://www.wbshop.com/...Adventure&OYTSFI

It looks like they're using the same covers as the Limited Edition dvd releases.

I'm curious to find out if the FotR still has the green tint...


(This post was edited by Mooseboy018 on Aug 26 2012, 3:55am)


Junesong
Rohan


Aug 26 2012, 4:03am


Views: 1313
What's the difference?
I was looking at this earlier - I have the Extended Edition Blu Ray in the goldish box thing. Looks like this is the same except without the behind the scenes?

I'm still waiting for the day when they can put the EE on ONE DISC. Maybe it's just extreme laziness but I don't like getting up to switch the discs.
"Tim... Canterbury... Canterbury Tales... Chaucer... Shakespeare."


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Aug 26 2012, 4:14am


Views: 1301
It's the same thing.
It's just the same material from the box-set split into three. I'm pretty sure it has the bonus features, or each set wouldn't be five discs.

The only only difference I think there could possibly be would be a sneaky fix for the green tint.

So that would make THREE blu-ray releases with super double dipping with the bonus features...

When are we going to get the unreleased deleted scenes and bloopers?Mad


(This post was edited by Mooseboy018 on Aug 26 2012, 4:15am)


Buchanicus
Lorien


Aug 26 2012, 4:33am


Views: 1285
Same as the box set
These are the exactly the same as the box set from last year, just split into 3 sets with new art and packaging. Nothing new...although the packaging is nice and different, but the only reason you would need to get these sets would be if you were a completest wanting all of the different designs. (like me Smile)
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Spaldron
Rivendell


Aug 26 2012, 4:41am


Views: 1276
I hope they don't
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I'm still waiting for the day when they can put the EE on ONE DISC.
They could've done it but PJ insisted on two discs so as to not compromise the quality of the films by cramming them onto a single disc.
"A single dream is more powerful than a thousand realities."


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Aug 26 2012, 5:05am


Views: 1269
I think Junesong means
That she or he hopes to see the day when the technology has advanced enough that you could fit the same amount of information on one disc, that you previously had to spread over two.


Junesong
Rohan


Aug 26 2012, 7:53am


Views: 1261
Yup that's exactly what I mean
I don't want to compromise quality either but I just thought on bluray that maybe I would finally have the whole move on one disc. I guess I'll have to wait for the next tech step.
"Tim... Canterbury... Canterbury Tales... Chaucer... Shakespeare."


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 26 2012, 9:10am


Views: 1241
Who's going to buy FOTR first to let us all know? ;-) /
 


Kendalf
Rohan

Aug 26 2012, 9:58pm


Views: 1266
I don't hold out any hope whatsoever...
Considering the phenomenal ruckus on the internet (over a year ago now!) when these were first released, I'd have exected WB to make some sort of subtle, low-level announcement that this individual release was going to rectify the colour issue (they wouldn't want to promote it too vigorously in order to save money, obviously).

Nope, this single FotR will have exactly the same colour issues as last year's FotR. I'd bet my limbs on it. Frown


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Aug 26 2012, 10:19pm


Views: 1232
I thought you said
'I will buy it. I will give my money to PJ, though I do not know the price.'


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 27 2012, 11:13am


Views: 1210
I will end up buying it regardless
I cannae help myself Wink!

I was just wondering if anyone will have it in the near future?


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Aug 27 2012, 3:18pm


Views: 1196
Tomorrow
The single extended edition blu-rays will be available tomorrow.


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 27 2012, 5:03pm


Views: 1211
Be cool if anyone could let us know what it's like...
Even if it's nothing new, it'd be cool to actually know what they include.


elevorn
Lorien


Aug 27 2012, 6:18pm


Views: 1212
green
I know this has been talked about in other threads but I have the EE blu ray and I see no green tint to any of them. Got them for my birthday last year, watched them all in one weekend right after I had watched the EE dvd's. So idk if it is the TV's or the players people are using and seeing a green tint, or maybe I'm going color blind. The blu ray looks fantastic and yes it is that much better than the DVD, so however you do it buy the blu ray version. One of the biggest differences I notices was the sound quality.
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imin
Valinor


Aug 27 2012, 6:31pm


Views: 1213
I am unsure if this is true or not but
from some people who have bought the blu-rays in the UK say they are different to the ones released in USA. I have no knowledge of whether this is true or not just from what people are saying on other forums.

I dont think it is a tv issue as it would effect other blu rays people are watching but it doesnt. It also shouldnt affect this many people.

This is where you say you are not from the UK and make me look silly, haha.


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 27 2012, 9:08pm


Views: 1179
In all honesty ...
Whenever I've watched my FOTR blu-ray I've not noticed anything. I've said before, I'm only going to notice with side-by-side comparions Cool

Do you have it on blu-ray imin?


imin
Valinor


Aug 27 2012, 9:20pm


Views: 1202
nope :P
i dont even own a blu-ray player but a fair few of my friends do, as did every housemate i have had so i have seen plenty of blu-ray dvds. I have a massive dvd collection and as i dont have a tv of my own i felt i would just wait and get a blu-ray player when i could afford a tv (probably be holographics by then, haha).

I had heard rumours of the green tint on the lotr dvds but my friends didnt have the EE so i cant say from first hand knowledge, i became much more aware of the problem when coming on here more.

I think there is a problem on some of the FOTR EE (maybe on all and the people saying its not on UK discs have it wrong) but like you i think most of the time i would not be too aware of the problem.

In any case i have pretty much made my mind up that for blu rays im going to wait for the super deluxe of the LOTR and TH both in EE so there is (hopefully) no chance of any green tint controversy, im guessing it will hit the shops around 2016, lol.


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 27 2012, 9:27pm


Views: 1157
FYI - I'm from the UK and my EEs have a green tint //
 


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 27 2012, 9:28pm


Views: 1206
2016 might be realistic ;-)
5 years ago we didn't even know if we were getting The Hobbit. Laugh

I'd wait for the super-uber-triple-amazing-special-extended DVD as well. Think of all that juicy goodness! We might be able to download it into our brains then. Then we can put whatever colour overlay we like on it - pink, orange, xanadu (it's a colour ... apparently!)


TheHutt
Gondor


Aug 27 2012, 9:45pm


Views: 1177
Double-dip, here we go...
Although the covers do look kinda nice.
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imin
Valinor


Aug 27 2012, 9:45pm


Views: 1187
Guess some of those peeps on blu-ray forum were misleading me
or they just didnt notice it. I thought it sounded a bit far fetched but if it were true then its a nice easy answer as to why some see it and some dont. oh well silly me Blush


imin
Valinor


Aug 27 2012, 9:48pm


Views: 1185
downloading to our brains, lol!
yeah that would be awesome to have for many things, so much time saved - would be like what they have in the Matrix movies :P

There will be around 365 days worth of extras on the blu-rays when released in 2016 for the super-uber-triple-amazing-special-extended dvds, cant wait!

as for xanadu im a guy so i see about 5 colours, haha.


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 28 2012, 9:35am


Views: 1162
Shame we can see in green
That would remove the problem! Wink


imin
Valinor


Aug 28 2012, 10:14am


Views: 1156
haha that is true! //
 


Elessar
Valinor


Aug 29 2012, 12:46am


Views: 1147
Got mine
I have the TE blus and they look great, got the all-in-one EE set and they look great, and becaus I'm crazy I got these single releases. I'm sure they will look great and I love the cover art they went with plus I have every release DVD or blu so I had to.


Kendalf
Rohan

Aug 29 2012, 8:16pm


Views: 935
You see no green tint, elevorn?
"I see no green tint to any of them"
You wouldn't see it on Towers or King because it's not there! Smile Jackson was happy with the colour-grading he and Lesnie did at the time for these two films so felt no need to re-do it for the release of the EE blu-rays. However, he wasn't happy with Fellowship's grading and so used the release of the EE blu-rays as an opportunity to re-do it. Sadly, to many people's eyes, his "vision" had quite evidently changed somewhat in the intervening years and the brand-spanking-new colour palette he gave Fellowship didn't match the old one Towers and King already had (in one extreme case, for example, Saruman's now bathed in blue light in Orthanc in Fellowship but not in Towers): colours are much more saturated, the contrast is much higher, greens and teals in particular look unnaturally strong. (To be fair, some scenes [ie the Last Alliance and Rivendell] look better.) This is all the result of the deliberate, conscious, artistic decisions of Jackson and the very subtle green tint which has been demonstrated to overlay the entire film indiscriminantly. Whether that tint is also deliberate, nobody yet knows...

"(I) watched them all in one weekend"
And you still didn't notice how different the new Fellowship's palette is? Hmm. Besides the bazillion screencaps on the internet, this was one of the methods by which I became painfully aware of the contrast. Towers felt distinctly pale and washed-out to me when I slipped it on after the new Fellowship.

Yes, it's subtle; yes, side-by-side comparisons accentuate it; no, it doesn't render the blu-ray unwatchable...but it's there. Heck, as much as I dislike the new palette in places, I'd much rather he'd applied it to all three films than just the one; that way, the aesthetic unity of the trilogy wouldn't have been broken.

"The blu ray looks fantastic and yes it is that much better than the DVD, so however you do it buy the blu ray version."
Couldn't agree more! Cool Besides the colour issues with Fellowship, the improvement in the quality of the image and sound is quite sensational.


elevorn
Lorien


Aug 29 2012, 8:20pm


Views: 909
I'm probably going to now
Whether it is there or not my brain may tell me it is. I did not notice it when I got them. I'll have to watch again and see what I see.
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Kendalf
Rohan

Aug 29 2012, 8:24pm


Views: 905
Tell us, Elessar! Tell us!
I've spent a quarter of an hour or so scouring the net for any mention of whether the new blu-ray still has the green tint...to no avail!

Is it there?! Is it there?! Crazy


Elessar
Valinor


Aug 29 2012, 10:26pm


Views: 920
Will do
Having seen bits from all the versions I've never noticed a green tint at all. They're crystal clear IMO and worth getting. I think the green tint thing was fake as I said because as many times as I've watched my copies it's never been an issue


Kendalf
Rohan

Aug 29 2012, 11:14pm


Views: 911
Ack! Sorry!
It's not my intention to draw people's attention to something that they find innocuous and it's definitely not my intention to ruin anyone's viewing experience!! Blush

Anyway, it's probably safe to say that if, on initial viewing, you weren't that bothered by the change in the look of the film (or didn't even notice it), then you probably won't be in future, either.

I hope! Crazy


Kendalf
Rohan

Aug 29 2012, 11:39pm


Views: 897
Hmm...
In Reply To
Having seen bits from all the versions I've never noticed a green tint at all. They're crystal clear IMO and worth getting. I think the green tint thing was fake as I said because as many times as I've watched my copies it's never been an issue

I am very happy that Fellowship's new colouring has "never been an issue" for you. Smile As I said above in reply to Elevorn, I have no intention whatsoever of insisting people dislike it (or even notice it!)...

But I am going to have to take slight issue with your claim that "the green tint thing was fake". Sorry. Unsure It's very, very, very, very subtle but the evidence online is simply overwhelming and, if you don't feel inclined to accept it, try a comparison yourself...like I did! I had my DVD playing on my DVD player and my blu-ray playing on my PS3 and flipped back and forth between the two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwcm-73kZE8

Hmm, if you're like me, though, you may not have two blu-ray players to flip back and forth between, though, so maybe it will be slightly tricky for you to provide us with an answer as to whether the tint's still there! Crazy Particularly if don't even consider it an issue in the first place! Laugh


(This post was edited by Kendalf on Aug 29 2012, 11:42pm)


Elessar
Valinor


Aug 29 2012, 11:59pm


Views: 894
No worries
Dont worry. I'm not gonna flip on my impressions so you're ok. No worries

I'm not trying to upset ya. I've seen stuff like that then watched it on my tv and it's not there like it shows up. In the end I don't feel the need to do any of that because in the end it's a non-issue to me.


Buchanicus
Lorien


Aug 30 2012, 11:47pm


Views: 882
Have you actually seen these "new" versions in stores?
I'm curious if they are in the standard shell cases or are they digipak style cardboard packages?
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Elessar
Valinor


Aug 31 2012, 12:02am


Views: 867
Slip Case
Just you standard slip case then multi holder inside.


Buchanicus
Lorien


Aug 31 2012, 2:47am


Views: 853
Awesome!
Thank you!Smile
TORn member formally known as ryan1976.


Elessar
Valinor


Aug 31 2012, 3:01am


Views: 852
No problem :)
 


Patty
Immortal


Aug 31 2012, 7:03pm


Views: 861
I'm with you there, Spaldron, although of course I hope for a fix for the green tint./
 
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Patty
Immortal


Aug 31 2012, 7:32pm


Views: 855
So, the new versions are out and the green tint is still there for sure?
Rats.

If it weren't for the fact that the TE FotR is incomplete to me now, I'd just get it, for the correct coloring sake. I never saw all the problems other people had with the TE blu, which I had netflixed, but I wouldn't want it cause there's just too much missing. However, I now have a new 3D blu-ray player, and I noticed a problem with the Downton Abbey disc, which I had read about before but hadn't had with my player--I AM having it with this new player. So I might even now see the problems with the TE FotR that I didn't see before. Not all equipment is the same--some handle problems better than others. But green is green (or cyan) and it's always going to be an issue for me.
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Kendalf
Rohan

Aug 31 2012, 11:29pm


Views: 862
I'm not 100% sure...
...if the tint is still there as I can't find any reviews anywhere of the new release!

Still, as irksome as the colouring is on the EE Fellowship, I suspect I might still prefer watching it to watching the TE version, if everything I've heard is to be believed! Maybe the reason you never found it as disappointing as all the reviews implied you might is because you had it steamed / downloaded rather than on an actual blu-ray?? I don't know. I've read nothing but bad things about the TE blu-ray Unsure

But, regardless, you're right; the missing scenes would just make watching the TE intolerable! Crazy


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Sep 1 2012, 12:36am


Views: 939
Reviews & FOTR TE HD Download
The chat about the FOTR EE Individual Release tint is beginning to pick up on page 633 (633!) of the "Lord of the Rings: Extended Edition 6/28/11 | Individual releases 8/28/12 Pre-orders" discussion thread on Blu-ray.com. Most of the page has a tidy summary of current thought about The Green Tint.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/...=163012&page=633

If you really want to learn a little about The Green Tint and current sentiment among fans, sample just that page for starters.

Sadly, from page 633, I'll start with this first report I've seen on the new FOTR disks, from Randy Miller III:

Quote
Oh, and I did a quick spot-check and FOTR appears to have the same color issues.
This is a good summary from Aragorn84 of the current feelings on the issue there:

Quote
You'd really think it would be a no-brainer to adjust the tint for this reissue - but of course it'll be the exact same discs. WB would have to be willing to admit that an error was made in the first place. Can't allow that to happen, now can we.
About the HD TE (I think), Jumpman says:

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"Honestly, I would get the Fellowship EE individual release if I knew the color timing on the subtitles were fixed. I like the new color timing to the film but the tint to the subtitles always throws me off.

Especially when compared to the iTunes HD digital copy of the film with the old color timing.
I find his note about green subtitles interesting. I hadn't heard that particular complaint, or I wasn't paying close attention. Green subtitles? Really? Shouldn't that alone speak volumes?


(This post was edited by JWPlatt on Sep 1 2012, 12:42am)


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 1 2012, 9:09am


Views: 848
Well, this is a shame.
Though I've said in the past that the green tint doesn't really bother me, it's a shame that they still haven't done anything about it (for all of you that it does bother). Certainly seems odd to release them separately, and not remove the tint. Thanks for the link JWPlatt Smile


Kendalf
Rohan

Sep 1 2012, 3:15pm


Views: 817
So, it's confirmed; the tint remains...
Gimli: Then it has all been in vain. The Fellowship has failed.

Aragorn: Not if we hold true to each other.

Wink


Patty
Immortal


Sep 1 2012, 5:45pm


Views: 825
Haha! Thanks, JW and Kendalf.
Yes, let's hold true to our mission.Cool
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Elessar
Valinor


Sep 2 2012, 7:01pm


Views: 823
No green
Well, except the grass. lol

Link 1

Link 2

Link 3

Earl: Edited to replace oversized images with links.


(This post was edited by Earl on Sep 3 2012, 7:24am)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 3 2012, 1:10am


Views: 796
The sky, the clouds and the water
Do indeed have a slight greenish tinge to them. The sky and water, in particular, are blue-green, while they are a much lighter (and less green) blue in the TE.


Elessar
Valinor


Sep 3 2012, 1:15am


Views: 795
Not seeing it at all sorry.
 


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 3 2012, 4:10am


Views: 795
Try popping in the regular DVD
And taking a picture at the same scene in the first shot. You should see a pretty noticeable difference...


Elessar
Valinor


Sep 3 2012, 4:26am


Views: 784
Ive compared and it's just fine IMO.
The only difference is how crisp and clear the Blu-Ray is compared to DVD.


(This post was edited by Elessar on Sep 3 2012, 4:28am)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 3 2012, 4:45am


Views: 796
Would you mind taking a photograph
Of the equivalent scenes on the regular DVD, and posting them here? I am doing as much research as I can before purchasing (or not purchasing) the FOTR blu-ray.

Thanks,
SA


imin
Valinor


Sep 3 2012, 2:02pm


Views: 760
I am wondering if it comes down to how saturated one likes an image to be
I have seen EE blu-ray copies of FOTR and it does have a green tint.

From these photos posted though i think they just look like a standard saturated image - a friend of mine likes it more saturated than that, for me i like it a little less so, just preference perhaps?

On another note, could you (not you SA) please post an image of Saruman in Orthanc as i found his white robe and the blues light in those scenes were effected by the green tint and would be interesting to see if it has gone or not please?


Elessar
Valinor


Sep 3 2012, 3:32pm


Views: 880
Tv settings
I don't recall what I have it on.i think I have it set to movie or something like that. The image doesn't look saturated when watching at least I don't think so. lol the grasses have a nice green, skies a nice blue, whites are white, etc. there was no tint on anything I found on this copy of the EE or the original release.

I will try. I'm gonna finish the trilogy today, write a couple reviews, and then getting some stuff done for work so I can't promise it will be done quickly.


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Sep 3 2012, 4:02pm


Views: 883
Photographic Comparisons
If you're going to use photographs of a TV screen, which is an intrisically flawed methodology, at least provide a baseline reference. Photographs of TVs are suspect because you not only have the TV visual output in the data stream to us, but also the camera's CCD input and output which is also not a perfect image. Cameras are often skewed, for example, toward red and have different responses to different portions of the spectrum. Then finally add our own monitors, which may not be color corrected, to the mix and what we actually see of your images on our screens can vary wildly. The best analysis comes from equipment that looks directly at the data to see the color values.

I'm not saying what you see doesn't look good to you. The difference is slight and is more or less pronounced - subjectively for different people and objectively for different configurations.

Now for a baseline reference, if they must be photographs, you should provide photos from a direct angle (yours is oblique for some reason) of ALL the FOTR versions - DVD, Blu-ray, TE/EE, using identical configuration, setup, lighting, exposure, film frames, etc for a proper comparison so that even if the images on our monitors via your camera are not a true representations of what you directly see on your TV or the data streamed from the physical media, at least we can see a difference if one is present.


Elessar
Valinor


Sep 3 2012, 4:23pm


Views: 861
Not gonna work that hard lol
What I've showed is what I saw. I don't care enough about the discussion to go to all that work. There is no green tint when I'm watching either versions of the EE. If others see it I don't know what to say and it something I don't want to come across as argumentative especially as a torn staffer.


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Sep 3 2012, 4:47pm


Views: 876
Subjective Is OK
Of course your subjective experience is an honest testimony of what you see. There are many just like you and that is not disputed. I'm just saying that photographic "proof" of TV images is unreliable. I would say that even for The Green Tint images found around the web if they are not done correctly.


Elessar
Valinor


Sep 3 2012, 5:14pm


Views: 856
Agreed 110%
 


Patty
Immortal


Sep 3 2012, 8:07pm


Views: 883
Hey JW, did you read this?
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Lord-of-the-Rings-The-Fellowship-of-the-Ring-Blu-ray/19929/

I guess the idea that this dark overlay is to bring Fellowship more in line with The Hobbit could be true, but why didn't he do that on the TE blu-ray versions, which are supposed to be his director's cut?

That's okay. My Oppo upconverts well. I will just have to watch the dvd and not the blu-ray Fellowship. I have effectively thrown in the towel.
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JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Sep 3 2012, 8:41pm


Views: 883
Yes
Yes, that article is the well-done Ken Brown review from June 17, 2011 that Kendalf has also mentioned. The possibility that FOTR's Green Tint is meant to transition from The Hobbit has long been posited. But that makes no sense to me in terms of the 60-year gap in the story, the inconsistencies of those scenes in the menus or flashbacks in the later two films, and even the return to Hobbiton in ROTK. Not to mention the recent reference I saw to green titles.

You linked to the overview, but you'll see Ken Brown's credit and more text on the Blu-ray Review tab. I don't see anything that has changed much since he wrote it, so the section entitled "The Color Change: An Unexpected Journey" is a great tutorial to help anyone understand The Green Tint issue.

I would not fall to the side of being forced to make the assumption, however, that it is 100% intentional until stated otherwise. In that, Brown is somewhat less cynical - at least in public (wink) - than I.

I have an Oppo too! (BDP 83) Smile


(This post was edited by JWPlatt on Sep 3 2012, 8:42pm)


Patty
Immortal


Sep 7 2012, 8:23pm


Views: 832
My Oppo is just a dvd player, which I got cause I could hack it for region 2 discs.
I'm having issues with the Sony Blu Ray player I just got for the 3D TV. A couple of discs are having jerky movements--discs that didn't show these issues with the other Sony blu-ray player--the S550. I can't afford an Oppo BDP, but I'll bet it wouldn't have had these issues.

I think the green tint battle is a battle that is already lost. Frown
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JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Sep 8 2012, 9:55pm


Views: 821
Eh?
In Reply To
I think the green tint battle is a battle that is already lost. Frown
<Sticks fingers in ears...>

Lalalalala!


Patty
Immortal


Sep 10 2012, 6:37pm


Views: 974
Hah!
(smiles indulgently).

Never give up. Never surrender, kinda thing, huh?
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