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EXCLUSIVE: New Line registers Hobbit movie titles



News from Bree
spymaster@theonering.net

Jul 31 2012, 10:35am


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EXCLUSIVE: New Line registers Hobbit movie titles



We have exclusive and reliable news from Ringer Spy Thrush that New Line has registered the following film titles:

  • The Desolation of Smaug

  • The Battle of Five Armies

  • The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug

  • The Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies


Apparently this doesn't mean New Line is definitely going to use one, or both, or either of them! Our spy tells us that because they must register their eventual title, studios often register multiple titles. One could suggest, based on these titles, that maybe we'll have a change to the first film title? That 'An Unexpected Journey' memorabilia would sure increase in value!  We've included some completely fan made versions of the movie title logos below! Enjoy!



DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 31 2012, 3:49pm


Views: 4212
What about "There and Back Again"?

Frown
Both titles are fine by me. I was hoping that There and Back Again would still be used:

The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
The Hobbit: There and Back Again

It doesn't matter if the titles don't full represent what's in the films Tongue.

Can we expect confirmation pretty soon then?


dormouse
Half-elven


Jul 31 2012, 3:54pm


Views: 4040
I like your three choices, Daniel

Maybe they haven't made their minds up and are covering all possibilities, but I think 'There and Back Again' is far more suited to the end of Bilbo's story than 'Battle of Five Armies'


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 31 2012, 3:56pm


Views: 4036
If this is reliable

I think they roughly reveal what the structure of the 3 films will be.

1. From the Shire to Thranduil's Halls
2. From Thranduil's Halls to the Lonely Mountain
3. The Battle of Five Armies and back to the Shire

The only change to film 1 that I can imagine is that instead of the conclusion being Barrels out of Bond, we end on a cliffhanger, with the dwarves captured and Bilbo at a loss. But I doubt that. Based on how the LOTR films ended, I imagine PJ will want to give the audience a hopeful sign that the journey is progressing to its destination, and the perfect place for that is Bilbo on a barrel looking ahead and seeing the Lonely Mountain far off in the distance.


GoodGuyA
Lorien

Jul 31 2012, 3:56pm


Views: 4033
Ehhhhh....

I always hate spoilery titles. Yes, we expect the dragon to be defeated, but why take that away with the title? It's plot related instead of theme related. Also makes it sound a bit generic, don't you think?


Welsh hero
Gondor


Jul 31 2012, 3:59pm


Views: 3978
I don't expect them to change the title for the first film

So it's all about films 2 and 3

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DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 31 2012, 3:59pm


Views: 3957
Desolation refers to the destruction caused by Smaug

Not to his death.


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Jul 31 2012, 4:00pm


Views: 3969
Hardly An Exclusive

This is hardly an exclusive. This news came out yesterday from a company that monitors domain registrations. These titles are not fact, but speculation based upon those registered domains.

Here's a link to something like anyone could have found through Google yesterday:
http://blastr.com/...domain-registrat.php

It reports the domains:
desolationofsmaug.com
riddlesindark.com
thedesolationofsmaug.com
thehobbitdesolationofsmaug.com
thehobbitriddlesindark.com
thehobbitthedesolationofsmaug.com
thehobbittheriddlesinthedark.com
theriddlesinthedark.com


(This post was edited by JWPlatt on Jul 31 2012, 4:07pm)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 31 2012, 4:00pm


Views: 3943
The Desolation of Smaug doesn't suggest that he's been defeated

As the desolation was there well before he was killed. All it refers to is the desolation caused by Smaug...You know, a ruined Dale, and a bit of a blasted landscape around the mountain...

I also find it rather unimaginative, though...


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 31 2012, 4:00pm


Views: 4091
The same thing happened before AUJ and TABA were announced?

I'm sure there were a number of names that were liscenced before we found out the two titles. I've tried searching the forum, but can't find anything.


Welsh hero
Gondor


Jul 31 2012, 4:00pm


Views: 3938
and they need to use there and back again.

and it is best suited to the final film, so it's film 2 that get's the new name

-Irfon

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DesiringDragons
Lorien


Jul 31 2012, 4:00pm


Views: 3988
I like these three the best as well.

"Battle of Five Armies" seems like an awkward title for a film which I am hoping will end with Bilbo back in Hobbiton again.

"There and Back Again" is just so perfect on every level.


Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Jul 31 2012, 4:02pm


Views: 4017
The heart breaks...

"An Unexpected Journey" and "There and Back Again" were such perfect titles for the Hobbit films. They were completely in the spirit of Bilbo's journey. These new titles reek of "EPIC Lord of the Rings Prequel!"

I will be so sad if "There and Back Again" is not used as the final film's title. Unsure



"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 31 2012, 4:02pm


Views: 3966
"Battle of Five Armies" is news to me /

 


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 31 2012, 4:06pm


Views: 3912
Agreed on the old titles being better

Though my main concern is whether or not these films will be good, not what their names are. And at this point, I am inclined to believe that these films will benefit if PJ has more time, and more luxury to keep everything that's in the books in the films.


RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 31 2012, 4:06pm


Views: 3917
I hope they come up with something better than that... //

 



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 31 2012, 4:08pm


Views: 3935
Since that happened long before the main story opens...

...it seems an odd choice, even for a middle film of three.

Unless they're going to include a bunch of the backstory in the second film, which would be a huge momentum killer.



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jul 31 2012, 4:08pm


Views: 4003
Agreed that these are the best three choices...

I'd prefer they stuck with AUJ and TABA, with TDOS for the middle chapter.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 31 2012, 4:10pm


Views: 3915
And it doesn't refer to the event, but to the (geographical) location /

 


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jul 31 2012, 4:11pm


Views: 3895
The Clouds Burst //

 


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jul 31 2012, 4:12pm


Views: 3963
Yes, AUJ and TABA were SO perfect. TBOFA in particular is just cumbersome as a title, and

I seem to recall some detractors referring to TTT as "Peter Jackon's Helm's Deep" back in 2002...imagine the ribbing if they actually name the entire third film after the major action setpiece and not Bilbo's exploits.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 31 2012, 4:15pm


Views: 3846
I actually like that! A lot!

It's much more interesting and picturesque than "The Battle of Five Armies." Tongue



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 31 2012, 4:16pm


Views: 3881
True.

Which makes it even duller. Tongue



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jul 31 2012, 4:17pm


Views: 3960
But he doesn't go there and back again...

If he's already at Lonely Mountain by the end of film 2, he's already "there", so the movie would be "The Hobbit: Back Again" which sounds stupid. Pretty sure they're giving both movies new titles.


Spaldron
Rivendell


Jul 31 2012, 4:19pm


Views: 3907
I hope they keep TABA...

... and possibly go with TDOS for the middle film. Its a possibility as the second film could culminate in Smaugs attack on Dale.

A single dream is more powerful than a thousand realities.


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Jul 31 2012, 4:19pm


Views: 2322
Exclusive

Whether it's news to you is irrelevant to my post.

TORN cannot and should not claim "exclusive," here or on their home page, to news that was already scooped by others across the internet yesterday.


(This post was edited by JWPlatt on Jul 31 2012, 4:20pm)


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 31 2012, 4:19pm


Views: 2451
The title doesn't have to fully match the contents of the film

It's fitting. Laugh


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 31 2012, 4:20pm


Views: 2361
Oooh! I think it sounds exciting! /

 


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 31 2012, 4:21pm


Views: 2358
Well it is an exclusive, since "The Battle of Five Armies" wasn't one highlighted yesterday ;- P /

 


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jul 31 2012, 4:24pm


Views: 2453
It is particularly fitting...

When you consider the framing device. "There and Back Again" both referring to Bilbo's journey and our going back and forward in time. But I still feel that these are film 2 and 3's titles. Makes me think that film 1 should be re-titled "An Unexpected Party"


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 31 2012, 4:26pm


Views: 2376
Why do you think it should be changed to "An Unexpected Party"? /

 


Arandir
Gondor


Jul 31 2012, 4:26pm


Views: 2364
It's news to me too :D //

 


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jul 31 2012, 4:27pm


Views: 2427
Just because the other titles are chapter names :) //

 


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jul 31 2012, 4:27pm


Views: 2414
A good point

one some have been trying to make for a few days now --unsuccessfully, as if shouting into the wind.
Laugh

"There and Back Again" is the alternate title, or sub-title if you prefer, of the entire story. And frankly I would rather they use that to describe all three films than call it "The Hobbit Trilogy."


Arandir
Gondor


Jul 31 2012, 4:28pm


Views: 2399
How about?

The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
The Hobbit: Fire and Water
The Hobbit: There and Back Again

Though I'm all in favour of DanielLB's suggestion of using Desolation of Smaug for Film 2 and TABA for Film 3


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 31 2012, 4:29pm


Views: 2344
Oh I see. Got you!

I was getting confused.


RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 31 2012, 4:30pm


Views: 2337
I like that one, too! //

 



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


dormouse
Half-elven


Jul 31 2012, 4:33pm


Views: 2407
Oh, shouting in the wind's not that uncommon round here...

so is banging your head on a brick wall! Wink

As for 'There and Back Again', you're right that it's a good sub-title for the whole thing...

On the other hand, it works for film three because Bilbo is already 'There' at the start of the film, and before it ends he goes back again....

I'm not keen on 'Battle of the five Armies' as it tells you what's going to happen. But as SA says, it's what's in the film that really counts, not what they call them.


GoodGuyA
Lorien

Jul 31 2012, 4:34pm


Views: 2403
The titles should reflect the characters' journey

The story is not about "killing the dragon" or "The Battle of the Five Armies" (though moreso than the former), it's about the journey of Bilbo and the Dwarves. The titles should, in turn, reflect that. The two titles were so whimsical, and these just seem generic.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jul 31 2012, 4:35pm


Views: 2316
"The Gathering of the Clouds" is more poetic than Bo5A

... and it could work, especially if they treat the Bo5A as similar to Helm's Deep, that is as one battle in anticipation of a final battle and perchance "the end of all things."

As a title for film 3 though it would take on a different meaning than it has as a chapter title in the book (obviously).

ETA: As "An Unexpected Journey" technically plays with the title "An Unexpected Party," I wouldn't mind if they called film 3 "The Gathering Storm" for the same reason stated above, and above Wink


(This post was edited by SirDennisC on Jul 31 2012, 4:44pm)


Arandir
Gondor


Jul 31 2012, 4:36pm


Views: 2337
Completely agree

but then again, it's those situations and events that help define the character. Also, considering it would be the intermediary film, it wouldn't disrupt attention - it's similar to the generic title of 'The Two Towers' I guess ...


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jul 31 2012, 4:40pm


Views: 2330
Ah, being there vs going there

I've always figured "back again" implied "there" to be short hand for "going there," that "there" describes a journey rather than a place. But I see now how this could make sense... thanks for pointing that out dormouse.


Foromir
Rivendell


Jul 31 2012, 4:45pm


Views: 2387
Titles with a "... of ..." pattern, typically fantasy related, feel a bit tired and wannabe-epic.

So I dearly hope these titles are NOT the ones to be used. In contrast, "An unexpected Journey" and "There and Back again" in particular sound original and inspired, it would be unwise to discard these needlessly. They just need to come up with a new creative title for the middle film.


Foromir
Rivendell


Jul 31 2012, 4:47pm


Views: 2307
"Hobbit Part II: Fire and Water"...I could live with that //

 


(This post was edited by Foromir on Jul 31 2012, 4:51pm)


Hanzkaz
Rohan

Jul 31 2012, 5:03pm


Views: 2293
I was thinking something like -

Hobbit I: An Unexpected Journey
Hobbit II: On the Doorstep
Hobbit III: There and Back Again


Escapist
Gondor

Jul 31 2012, 5:04pm


Views: 2277
I think both TDOS and BO5A look epic!

I have to admit that I wouldn't mind also seeing a version for "Riddles in the Dark".

That being said, I think it is a matter of a choice of two goods and figuring out which is better and more popular - rather than a matter of whether or not either is any good (and that's my opinion).

Between these two visions for the epic trilogy:
1 An Unexpected Journey
2 Riddles in the Dark
3 There and Back Again

1 An Unexpected Journey
2 The Desolation of Smaug
3 The Battle of Five Armies

I'd say the first puts the emphasis on character development and the journey (my personal favorite) while the second puts the emphasis on epic battles and politics (currently popular today according to what I hear from other fans).

It's down to a matter of taste and preference, now. Either way things fall, it seems that most of the story will be there and it will be done justice and be fun to watch.

Show or do not show, there is no tell.


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jul 31 2012, 5:19pm


Views: 2347
What if both rumours, all three titles, are correct...

The Hobbit: Riddles in the Dark
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
The Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies

I'd prefer

The Hobbit: An Unexpected Party
The Hobbit: Fire and Water
The Hobbit: The Clouds Burst


Jago M
Bree

Jul 31 2012, 5:23pm


Views: 2252
Exactly!!

Naming the trilogy:

The Hobbit: There and Back Again

and the seperate parts

I. An unexpected journey
II. The desolation of Smaug
III. The battle of Five Armies

This way 'there and back again' would still be present


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jul 31 2012, 5:29pm


Views: 2264
Hence the "I'd prefer"...

And potentially at the end of Film 3, he'd start off "There", then go "Back Again". It doesn't work as well as with the two-film structure, but it works, especially in countenance to the first film's title.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Jul 31 2012, 5:30pm)


Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Jul 31 2012, 5:41pm


Views: 2268
*sigh* It's not about the domain names, it's the actual film titles

They were registered by New Line in a way that shall remain nameless to protect our sources, but guarantees that they're legit.

Why don't you give it a rest, JWP, or at least read posts before you reply?


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(This post was edited by Altaira on Jul 31 2012, 7:18pm)


dave_lf
Gondor

Jul 31 2012, 5:43pm


Views: 2320
Cost

Anyone have any idea how much time/effort/money it costs to register a film title?


Oiotri
Tol Eressea


Jul 31 2012, 6:18pm


Views: 2276
NOW I understand that line in the front page article

I was well and truly confused as to why these names would mean that the first title could change


..The land of long-forgotten name:
......no man may ever anchor near;
..No steering star his hope may aim,
......for nether Night its marches drear,
..And waters wide no sail may tame,
......with shores encircled dark and sheer.

..O! Haven where my heart would be!
......the waves beat upon thy bar
..For ever echo endlessly,
......when longing leads thy thought afar


Marionette
Rohan


Jul 31 2012, 6:23pm


Views: 2380
I like that (+ Bilbos journey)

I like that. Fire and Water. Instead of the other titles that focus directly to some Hobbits events.

I hope they keep the original titles, and name the middle-movie with something related with Bilbos journey, after all The Hobbit is Bilbos journey, and so Unexpected Journey and There and Back Again.

The middle title needs to be the same style of Unexpected Journey and There and Back Again, or something close. Not an specific event CrazyCrazy

If not they will need to change all titles... I guess


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shadowdog
Rohan

Jul 31 2012, 6:26pm


Views: 2231
In that case

Film two would be The Hobbit: There and Film three would be The Hobbit: Back Again. Smile


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 31 2012, 6:34pm


Views: 2311
Or how about

Film 1: There...
Film 2: Well, Still Getting There...
Film 3: There! And Back Again...


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jul 31 2012, 7:03pm


Views: 2236
Good observation

Maybe The Hobbit: There and Back Again will be the title of the box set?


imin
Valinor


Jul 31 2012, 7:14pm


Views: 2195
Haha that would be great! :P //

 


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jul 31 2012, 7:14pm


Views: 2234
An excellent suggestion. {NT}

 


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jul 31 2012, 7:21pm


Views: 2223
Thank you Flagg,

it means a lot to me that you should think so.

Now not to flood the thread more than needed, I would like to add here that "The Battle of Five Armies" has a flat ring to it, as others have remarked. However, I'm guessing the title will take on a special magnificence after we see it on screen -- especially now that they have the time to really give us a play by play.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Jul 31 2012, 7:21pm


Views: 2227
Appropriate Titles

I like them both.

I like "There and Back Again" as an over-arching title, but that may be a bit much added to "The Hobbit". ? Crazy

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Tim: Quite.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jul 31 2012, 7:32pm


Views: 2220
By both rumours, do you mean this one as well as

the domain names one? Registering domain names is as much about staking out territory as it is about one's intentions to actually use the name for something.

Perhaps they have some games in mind, or even the names of theme park rides, and are simply trying to block others from capitalizing on the names in future?


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jul 31 2012, 7:50pm


Views: 2242
Mightn't "The Clouds Burst" make people think the Weather Channel has gotten into theatrical distribution? :P //

 

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 31 2012, 8:14pm


Views: 2200
"Smaug Bursts" might gain some more interest? ;-) /

 


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jul 31 2012, 8:37pm


Views: 2159
'Fire and Water' does have a nice ring to it

I'm afraid I can't quite get behind The Hobbit: The Clouds Burst as a title. There's just something mildly goofy about that word it's hard to imagine audiences taking to it.

And I suppose The Hobbit: Queer Lodgings is out of the question.


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 31 2012, 8:44pm


Views: 2059
I can't stop laughing


In Reply To
And I suppose The Hobbit: Queer Lodgings is out of the question.


Laugh

"The Hobbit: Not At Home" could have two meanings.

Perhaps they want to insert a 10 minute scene of the Sackville-Baggins burgling Bag End, while Bilbo does the same to Smaug.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jul 31 2012, 8:48pm


Views: 2113
Don't give PJ any ideas!

Actually, the Sackville-Baggins Break-In would necessitate a fourth film of its own. Tongue

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Jul 31 2012, 8:49pm)


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jul 31 2012, 8:54pm


Views: 2095
OT: Isn't it interesting...

How Thorin learns to be more generous: valuing food, cheer and song over hoarded gold. But Bilbo seems to learn the exact opposite lesson when he goes home and hoards his earnings in Bag End after kicking the Sackville-Bagginses out - who BTW were only trying to share with the hobbit community! Bilbo's return home is a little like Thorin's greed-driven attempt to reclaim his gold. Crazy


Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Jul 31 2012, 9:00pm


Views: 2068
:s man... is it me or this rollercoaster of Hobbit news just gets crazier and crazier? *sigh* I don't like these titles tbh

...oh well...(seems to be a common reaction to all news nowadays) Wink

btw, Shelob, Tol Eressea!! :D congratz.

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hasufel
Rivendell


Jul 31 2012, 10:36pm


Views: 2086
Future game titles, nothing more...

I truly believe that the Desolation of Smaug and The Battle of Five Armies would be great video games.

Look at the Lord of the Rings video games that have come out the last several years:

The Lord of the Rings: Aragorn's Quest



The Lord of the Rings: War in the North



The Lord of the Rings Online: Rise of Isengard



The Lord of the Rings Online: Riders of Rohan
To me the above are similiar to the new Hobbit titles.


painjoiker
Grey Havens


Jul 31 2012, 11:06pm


Views: 2025
Given that they won't use "There and Back Again" for the final film

The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
The Hobbit: Fire and Water
The Hobbit: The Gathering of the Clouds

And I demand a short film on the blu-ray disk set titled "The Hobbit: Roast Mutton"

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(This post was edited by painjoiker on Jul 31 2012, 11:07pm)


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 31 2012, 11:22pm


Views: 2021
They can still use "There and Back Again"

The titles don't have to fully represent the content of each film. In film 3, Bilbo is still "there" (Erebor), and still goes "back again" (Hobbiton). No need to change it.


painjoiker
Grey Havens


Jul 31 2012, 11:40pm


Views: 2013
I agree to that :D

So the only new name could be "Fire and Water" which I've now grown to like very much! ^^

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imin
Valinor


Jul 31 2012, 11:42pm


Views: 1991
Too similar to GoT for me

A Song of Fire and Ice is the book name for the series.


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 31 2012, 11:50pm


Views: 1976
I have to say ...

I'm not a fan of Fire and Water.

The Desolation of Smaug has been my favourite so far. Tongue


pulpfiction16
Rivendell

Jul 31 2012, 11:58pm


Views: 1984
No clouds please!

One of the most cliched notions of chapter titling or subtitling always has something to do with clouds, storms or gathering. It's way too obvious "The Gathering Shadow", "The Gathering Clouds" "The Gathering Evil" "The Dark Storm". I think Robert Jordan's last book (post-humous) has a subtitle like "Gathering Clouds". No thank you! It's about as irksome as the use of "Rise of .." in a title.

Regardless, the only title that doesn't bother me much out of that list is Desolation of Smaug, just because I don't think I've ever seen the word Desolation in a title before, so, it's got points for standing out.

I always found the actual name of the battle "Battle of the Five Armies" to be distinctly cheesy, even if it's in Tolkien's work. Anything other than that, please.


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Aug 1 2012, 12:10am


Views: 2147
And

I want to hear presenters at film awards* try to say 'Smaug'. Evil


In Reply To
Regardless, the only title that doesn't bother me much out of that list is Desolation of Smaug, just because I don't think I've ever seen the word Desolation in a title before, so, it's got points for standing out.




* Yes, I know, big assumption. Just go with me for the purpose of humour.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Saurons master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Aug 1 2012, 12:41am


Views: 2088
An interesting interpretation.

The idea had never crossed my mind. Bilbo the greedy evil Hobbit. Must have been the Ring at work.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Aug 1 2012, 12:44am


Views: 2102
I hates it.

Queer Lodgings was better. At least that is Tolkien.

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DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 1 2012, 12:45am


Views: 2111
It is Tolkien, just not a chapter title.

See Thror's Map:

http://www.theawl.com/...p-e1328633404247.jpg


(This post was edited by DanielLB on Aug 1 2012, 12:46am)


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Aug 1 2012, 12:47am


Views: 2049
It is none the less applicable. //

 

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DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 1 2012, 12:50am


Views: 2071
I think it's better than "Riddles in the Dark" or "Battle of Five Armies"

It may not be totally relevant to the story, but I think it's a title that stands-out.


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Aug 1 2012, 1:28am


Views: 2078
Those sources of yours didn't happen to say anything about...

...when "Block 4" will start, or how long additional shooting will be scheduled for did they? Smile

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.


duats
Grey Havens

Aug 1 2012, 1:30am


Views: 2070
The rumor going around

Is 3-4 months of additional shooting next summer.


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Aug 1 2012, 1:41am


Views: 2101
Wow.

Next summer? That's a hell of a gap between filming. Maybe they need that much time to do 48 FPS final renders of Smaug? Oh well. It better be worth it or they will have a worldwide riot on their hands. Wink

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.


duats
Grey Havens

Aug 1 2012, 2:07am


Views: 2053
What I'm wondering

Is how they are going to pull this off if Freeman is shooting Sherlock's third season that summer.

Unless, of course, Bilbo is not called for in this block of shooting.


Patty
Immortal


Aug 1 2012, 2:24am


Views: 2114
I'm assuming that these titles are just "in addition" to There and Back Again, which...

is probably still planned to be the final title, with one of the newly registered titles being for the middle film.

Dang, now it'll be 2014 before I see all of The Hobbit.

Permanent address: Into the West






Oleander Took
Rivendell


Aug 1 2012, 2:34am


Views: 2051
Sherlock Series 3

Will shoot from January 2013 to March/April 2013 according to both Martin Freeman and Benedict Cumberbatch. Both would be free for a Summer filming if they don't have any other contracts signed already. So there would be no problem to have Bilbo and Smaug back

"There is nothing like looking, if you want to find something."

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Try-again-later
The Shire

Aug 1 2012, 3:28am


Views: 2026
Don't like Desolation of Smaug

Battle of Five Armies is ok.


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Aug 1 2012, 4:09am


Views: 1991
Summer's just four months away in NZ.

Or are you thinking of the Northern Hemisphere summer?

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Saurons master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Aug 1 2012, 4:37am


Views: 2015
Churchhill


In Reply To
pulpfiction16: One of the most cliched notions of chapter titling or subtitling always has something to do with clouds, storms or gathering. It's way too obvious "The Gathering Shadow", "The Gathering Clouds" "The Gathering Evil" "The Dark Storm". I think Robert Jordan's last book (post-humous) has a subtitle like "Gathering Clouds". No thank you! It's about as irksome as the use of "Rise of .." in a title.

Regardless, the only title that doesn't bother me much out of that list is Desolation of Smaug, just because I don't think I've ever seen the word Desolation in a title before, so, it's got points for standing out.

I always found the actual name of the battle "Battle of the Five Armies" to be distinctly cheesy, even if it's in Tolkien's work. Anything other than that, please.


I can't believe you left out The Gathering Storm, the first volume of Sir Winston Churchill's The Second World War, and a number of other things including films, fantasy books, and computer games.


Elessar
Valinor


Aug 1 2012, 4:42am


Views: 1945
My thoughts

First Movie: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
Second Movie: The Hobbit: The Desolation Of Smaug
Third Movie: The Hobbit: There and Back Again


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Aug 1 2012, 5:43am


Views: 2048
Yes


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Elessar: First Movie: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
Second Movie: The Hobbit: The Desolation Of Smaug
Third Movie: The Hobbit: There and Back Again


I like this set best. It retains the original two titles as the first and last movies, just as before. The Desolation Of Smaug is great as the filler because that's where the fate of Smaug should be told. 'Desolation' is a good, strong, dramatic word. And Smaug is the primary endpoint of the company (until it results in the battle) and so his name belongs in the title. Finally it's a chapter title, and a good, descriptive one to end movie number 2.


(This post was edited by JWPlatt on Aug 1 2012, 5:46am)


Elessar
Valinor


Aug 1 2012, 5:54am


Views: 2001
Agreed 110%

 


Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Aug 1 2012, 6:03am


Views: 1945
The problem for me is that these names sound like chapter titles...

... unlike "An Unexpected Journey" and "There And Back Again", which actually sounded like film titles because they weren't about a specific event in the book, but had an overarching meaning.

I really hope they can come up with film titles that aren't just chapter titles. Ugh! Unimpressed



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lurtz2010
Rohan

Aug 1 2012, 7:48am


Views: 2056
The Battle of Five Armies would be an epic title

Some could think it's cheesy or whatever but I wouldn't mind if this took over There and Back Again for film3, I think Bilbo deciding what to name his book with Frodo is enough to have "there and back again" referenced in the movies, or it could even just be left as it is in LOTR


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Aug 1 2012, 8:07am


Views: 1985
Compare Similar

"Battle of Five Armies" sounds a lot like "Attack of the Clones" as a film title.

Wink


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 1 2012, 9:28am


Views: 1924
I don't think is a rumour

It was confirmed by a user on here that 3 months of additional filming was required next year (mainly for BO5A). That was before the 3rd film was announced.


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Aug 1 2012, 9:56am


Views: 1907
Ha Haaa!

Is the equator up to it's old tricks again? Good point. That makes more sense now.

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 1 2012, 10:46am


Views: 1931
Hmm...

The Hobbit: The Dragon Menace
The Hobbit: Attack of the Smaug
The Hobbit: Revenge of the Dwarves

The Lord of the Rings: A New Ring
The Lord of the Rings: Mordor Strikes Back
The Lord of the Rings: Return of the King

Wait, What?


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 1 2012, 10:59am


Views: 1927
Maybe The Hobbit should be 8 films!

The Hobbit and the Wizard's Gang
The Hobbit and the Chamber of Gollum
The Hobbit and the Prisoner of Thranduil
The Hobbit and the Golden Goblet
The Hobbit and the Order of the Dwarves
The Hobbit and the Full-Blood Raven
The Hobbit and the Deadly Dragon - Part 1
The Hobbit and the Deadly Dragon - Part 2

Not as funny as I'd hope it would be Unsure


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 1 2012, 11:04am


Views: 1945
The Wizard's Gang sounds like a cheap knock-off IYKWIM!

In fact, a few of them do... O.O


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 1 2012, 11:06am


Views: 1902
Well that's something! :-O /

 


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 1 2012, 12:35pm


Views: 1834
50 Shades of Gandalf the Grey //

 


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 1 2012, 12:42pm


Views: 1885
That is genious QuackingTroll!

Concrete evidence that Galadriel and Gandalf have a thing for each other? Shocked


Geldof the Grey
Registered User

Aug 1 2012, 1:53pm


Views: 1868
Possible story structure repercussions...

While I agree that the title There and Back Again should remain for the last film of the trilogy this may change due to the effect three films now has on the structure of the story. Primarily will they reveal the dragon in the middle film? The Desolation of Smaug is certainly a worthy title for the middle chapter but can they get away with using it if that film doesn't feature said character?


(This post was edited by Geldof the Grey on Aug 1 2012, 1:54pm)


Oiotri
Tol Eressea


Aug 1 2012, 5:31pm


Views: 1788
I just remembered: this was the April Fool's joke for 2009 //

 


..The land of long-forgotten name:
......no man may ever anchor near;
..No steering star his hope may aim,
......for nether Night its marches drear,
..And waters wide no sail may tame,
......with shores encircled dark and sheer.

..O! Haven where my heart would be!
......the waves beat upon thy bar
..For ever echo endlessly,
......when longing leads thy thought afar


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 1 2012, 5:38pm


Views: 1850
Link:

http://www.theonering.net/...3-the-hobbittrilogy/


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 1 2012, 5:49pm


Views: 1786
I recommend clicking "Discuss in the forums" //

 


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 1 2012, 5:57pm


Views: 1732
Thanks for this! hahaha! /

 


Gollum the Great
Rohan


Aug 2 2012, 6:15pm


Views: 1708
hrm...

I really did like "There and Back Again." It drew from the original title of TH, and it just... fits somehow.

Maybe they'll still use it, as others have suggested?

Lord Smagol? Gollum the Great? The Gollum! Eat fish every day, three times a day; fresh from the sea. Most Precious Gollum!


Ruinwen
Rivendell


Aug 3 2012, 4:18am


Views: 1752
I liked Flies and Spiders, but it didn't fit

1: The Hobbit: The Fellowship of Thorin
2: The Hobbit: The Two Towns
3: The Hobbit: The Return of the King (Under the Mountain)

Just being silly.

I like having chapter-title based film titles, and I quite like A Thief in the Night and Fire and Water as possible film titles. Desolation of Smaug probably has the most movie-like ring to it, though.


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 3 2012, 8:23am


Views: 1757
Those titles are great!! /