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No third "Hobbit" film .....?



DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 12 2012, 9:53pm


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No third "Hobbit" film .....?

As reported in the link below, apparently there are rumours going round ComicCon of a third "Hobbit" film (possibly TABA split in two).

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118056497


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Hours into Comic-Con, one rumor kept circulating around San Diego: that Peter Jackson was going to announce a third "Hobbit" film during Warner Bros.' Saturday panel for the fantasy pics.


For those at ComicCon, has this rumour actually been going round?

Who even spread the rumour? Surely the whole point of Old Bilbo & Frodo (and to some extent Galadriel and Saruman) is to link the 5 films together.


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Jul 12 2012, 9:57pm


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Maybe the rumours are based on that comment Jackson made

About asking the studio about filming additional material next year.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 12 2012, 10:01pm


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Could've been...

I suppose that could have been easily twisted into a rumour on a "third film".


QuackingTroll
Valinor

Jul 12 2012, 10:13pm


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Or it could have something to do with the third film he's making...

The Hobbit: Gone with the Wargs


artemy
Lorien


Jul 12 2012, 10:16pm


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Wasn't the title "Dances with Wargs"?

 

~Beneath the sun, all things must wear to an end at last~


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 12 2012, 10:23pm


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Wargs on a Plane

Unless he is actually filming scenes to put in a special edition of LOTR.

Now I see how addictive it is to spread a rumor!Cool


QuackingTroll
Valinor

Jul 12 2012, 10:23pm


Views: 2136
I know the storyline of the third movie...

Its narrative runs alongside The Hobbit and LotR and stars Peter Jackson as the main character. The story attempts to better link The Hobbit and the LotR movies with each other, by revealing that all of Peter Jackson's cameos are the same character.

It follows the story of an innocent Laketown man who gets swept off to Bree and later finds himself battling for Rohan before eventually becoming a pirate where his story meets a tragic end.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 12 2012, 10:23pm


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Yes

Also known as "Scene 88."


painjoiker
Grey Havens


Jul 12 2012, 10:24pm


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"The Hobbit: The Boy Who Cried Warg"

Or "The Hobbit: This Time It's Personal"

Vocalist in the semi-progressive metal band Arctic Eclipse


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 12 2012, 10:26pm


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I made a thread on that before! Now it all makes sense! /

 


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 12 2012, 10:31pm


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I'm hoping

He goes back and photoshops Sylvester MCCoy's face onto the moth.


QuackingTroll
Valinor

Jul 12 2012, 10:35pm


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Like the Leslie Nielsen bat in Dracula: Dead and Loving it //

 


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 12 2012, 10:36pm


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QT does an excellent job of this type of thing! ;-) /

 


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 12 2012, 10:36pm


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EXACTLY like that

PJ has the money, and he has the power. He needs to do this.


artemy
Lorien


Jul 12 2012, 10:43pm


Views: 2001
Maybe the big twist of the second film

is that the moth is really PJ in disguise (using Radagast's magic), delivering deus ex machina on demand!

Also I though that scene 88 involved an enormous amount of running, not dancing....

~Beneath the sun, all things must wear to an end at last~


duats
Grey Havens

Jul 13 2012, 12:43am


Views: 1879
No way

There's just absolutely no way.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 13 2012, 12:44am


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I believe

If the two Hobbit films are wildly successful at the Box Office, and critically, that Warner Brother's will push for a third bridge film.


Bladerunner
Gondor


Jul 13 2012, 12:45am


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if "An Unexpected Journey" does well at the box office....

there's no telling what the studios may decide to do.

It might be cool if they threw in deleted or extra scenes onto the DVD for "There and Back Again" as stand-alone clips (i.e. - not part of the movie itself).

It would even be interesting to see deleted scene's from "Return of the King" such as Eowyn and Faramir's wedding.

This sort of thing may work better as a stand-alone retrospective DVD of extra footage from the combined Hobbit and LOTR films. Maybe title it "The Book of Years," and organize the scenes as clips from the appendices.


(This post was edited by Bladerunner on Jul 13 2012, 12:47am)


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 13 2012, 9:03am


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I like this idea! :-) /

 


dormouse
Half-elven


Jul 13 2012, 10:53am


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Me too! //

 


geordie
Tol Eressea

Jul 13 2012, 12:04pm


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I'm non too thrilled about the idea of two hobbit films -

- even one would be one too many in my opinion. So I was glad to see from the article on the front page that the rumours were just that; rumours.


Lindele
Gondor


Jul 13 2012, 1:29pm


Views: 1682
you may be in the wrong place...

just maybe


dormouse
Half-elven


Jul 13 2012, 1:43pm


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Just out of interest, geordie

...did you feel the same way about the cartoon versions - the Ralph Bakshi Lord of the Rings (some of it) and the Rankin Bass Hobbit? Is it the whole idea of adapting Tolkien's work for the screen that you don't like, or just the way Peter Jackson adapted Lord of the Rings? (His adaptation of The Hobbit you surely can't pass a final judgement on since no one really knows what it is yet. I appreciate that there are probably aspects of what we already do know of it that you aren't keen on.)


geordie
Tol Eressea

Jul 13 2012, 3:06pm


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I don't think so -

- the banner at the top of the forums reads 'For discussion of all things Tolkien'. I've been interested in all things Tolkien for over thirty years now - so I reckon I'm in the right place.

Smile


geordie
Tol Eressea

Jul 13 2012, 3:08pm


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I didn't mind Rankin Bass -

- and Bakshi had his moments, too.

Smile


dormouse
Half-elven


Jul 13 2012, 3:19pm


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So it's not the idea of film adaptations you don't like...

Funny, isn't it - I can't stand the Rankin Bass film. It's appalling, there isn't one thing I like about it. Whatever Peter Jackson does, for me it couldn't be worse than that.

Bakshi I quite enjoyed when I saw it (I remember dragging my mother to the cinema with me - she really didn't like it!) - until it just fizzled out mid-story. I was so disappointed by that that I've never looked at it again.


GoodGuyA
Lorien

Jul 13 2012, 4:10pm


Views: 477
More is better is good is best!

I will hold to my firm suspicion that he is filming "tie-ins" with LotR in order to create a full thematic bridge between them, releasing it in a big ultimate collection! A man can dream... But it's really not wholly unreasonable, when you think about it. Not like they actually have to create a new film.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 13 2012, 4:11pm


Views: 472
The Bridge film is dead.//

 

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imin
Valinor


Jul 13 2012, 4:35pm


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He didnt say a bridge film //

 


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 13 2012, 4:42pm


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Sounds like the bridge film to me.

"I will hold to my firm suspicion that he is filming "tie-ins" with LotR in order to create a full thematic bridge between them, releasing it in a big ultimate collection! A man can dream... But it's really not wholly unreasonable, when you think about it. Not like they actually have to create a new film"




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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 13 2012, 4:45pm


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As the movies have shown us

The dead can always come back to life. Smile


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Jul 13 2012, 4:59pm


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What a rude thing to say

The idea that only people who are fans of the films should be welcome to comment here is just totally an anathema to me.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 13 2012, 5:22pm


Views: 442
I quite like the R-B Hobbit adaptation.

I don't know that I ever saw the R-B ROTK adaptation.

And I also (mostly) like the Bakshi version.

What I don't like is the idea of making up a bunch of Middle-earth junk just to make another film. And that's the only reason I can think of for why a third film would be made, because they've done all the Tolkien material for which they have the filming rights.



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


Lindele
Gondor


Jul 13 2012, 5:26pm


Views: 455
Let me explain

1. Absolutely anyone is welcome to discuss, whether fans of the movies or no...
2. commenting that no Hobbit movie should be made in a Hobbit movie forum is asking for trouble...just a little
3.I shouldn't have said what I said.


painjoiker
Grey Havens


Jul 13 2012, 5:31pm


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Don't worry ;)

There will not be a third Hobbit movie :)

Vocalist in the semi-progressive metal band Arctic Eclipse


dormouse
Half-elven


Jul 13 2012, 5:45pm


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I doubt if there ever was a possibility of a third Hobbit film...

... it was only a rumour and probably not a very realistic one. As they've already structured the adaptation for two films it would be pretty late in the day to change.

I may be losing my way in all this, it's happening so fast, but the rumour of a third film seems to have come from the suggestion that they will have lots of unused footage. that is presumably Hobbit or Dol Guldur, some straight out of the book, some made-up to fill out the story. But then there's the other quotation from Peter Jackson about wanting permission to film more next year. What he was actually quoted as saying, in the LA Times article was this:

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As slight as people think the “Hobbit” novel is, compared to the “Lord of the Rings” books, we have been surprised at how rich the world is, and how many interesting themes and characters there are to explore. We are also using extensive parts of the appendices which were published at the end of “Return of the King.” This is not just ”The Hobbit” — it’s “The Hobbit” set in a much greater context of events taking place throughout Middle-earth during this period. The material is so rich. In fact only this last week or two, we’ve been talking to the studio about allowing us to shoot some additional material next year, to fully complete the story.


...whatever he meant by this, he does seem to be talking about using Tolkien material, not made-up stuff. I think.


geordie
Tol Eressea

Jul 13 2012, 5:51pm


Views: 443
Well,

it's a shame he didn't think of that when he made his LotR movies! Smile

(In reply to)

"...whatever he meant by this, he does seem to be talking about using Tolkien material, not made-up stuff. I think."

.


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Jul 13 2012, 6:18pm


Views: 429
Fair enough

Thanks for explaining

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


imin
Valinor


Jul 13 2012, 6:53pm


Views: 418
I took it a different way

That they could film some scenes to help tie in the gap between the hobbit and the lord of the rings, these could be extra scenes created for TH movie. As SA states its not like they have to create a new film.

Either way, i wouldnt want them to make up loads of scenes if they were not going to use material that they own the rights to - i.e. fan fiction. I think it would end badly as i didnt like that many of PJ's extras from LOTR.

But as we all know there isnt going to be a bridge film made, i just didnt take what was said as to me that. Again a difference of opinion with you.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 13 2012, 8:05pm


Views: 409
I think he meant

That there was so much rich backstory material they were drawing on for film 2 (like, perhaps, the history of Dale and the Iron Mountain dwarves, Azanulbizar, etc) that they now want to do more filming to flesh that material out...

My guess is that PJ's request will be granted.

I hope so.

While I originally wanted a rather pure Hobbit, with no extraneous background, my interest in seeing dwarven historical detail on screen has grown and grown.


geordie
Tol Eressea

Jul 13 2012, 8:51pm


Views: 385
Trouble?

Trouble... No, I can't think what trouble my comments could attract - what sort of trouble did you have in mind?


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 13 2012, 9:03pm


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geordie

I think you like a bit of trouble. It does keep things interesting. KS

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 13 2012, 9:05pm


Views: 366
Well

Someone that's a bit insensitive might, for example, tell you that you are asking for trouble. I suppose that is a form of trouble in and of itself. Wink

I hope I can speak for everyone when I say that you should feel perfectly comfortable here, and welcome to say whatever it is you want about the Hobbit films.


geordie
Tol Eressea

Jul 13 2012, 9:19pm


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Me? no, I prefer the quiet life..//

 


geordie
Tol Eressea

Jul 13 2012, 9:23pm


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Trouble?

No, I've had my share of troubles in my life; and tribulations, what's more. Just being told I'm asking for trouble shouldn't trouble me one whit; what's more, it don't.

Thanks for your kind words, SA and Kangi.

Smile


RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 13 2012, 9:24pm


Views: 352
I wouldn't be suprised if they did more filming next year.

That seems like pretty standard procedure, to do pickup filming as the release date nears to fill in holes that you find as you start to put the final film together.



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 13 2012, 9:26pm


Views: 364
It sounds more than just pick-up shots though

 Pick-up shots aren't worth reporting about?


(This post was edited by DanielLB on Jul 13 2012, 9:26pm)


Carne
Tol Eressea

Jul 13 2012, 9:46pm


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3 months of pick-ups next year.

And it's something big Wink


imin
Valinor


Jul 13 2012, 9:47pm


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3 months!

Its got to be the battle of five armies, right? Come on you can tell us if you know something, lol.


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 13 2012, 9:55pm


Views: 336
They've scrapped Cumberbatch...

and actually found a real life dragon Shocked

In all seriousness ... I'm hoping for something LOTR related. The thought of additional scenes gets me a little excited ...


RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 13 2012, 9:56pm


Views: 358
Oh, whew!

I thought you were going to say they found the real Necromancer! Shocked Pirate



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 13 2012, 9:56pm


Views: 354
LOL

 


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 13 2012, 9:58pm


Views: 382
It has been recently confirmed by insiders

That there will be 3 months of pickups next year, largely focusing on the BoFA.

But was PJ really just talking about that?


Finrod
Rohan


Jul 13 2012, 11:47pm


Views: 321
doubtful


In Reply To
That there will be 3 months of pickups next year, largely focusing on the BoFA.

But was PJ really just talking about that?


Somehow, I don’t think so — aren't pickups just reshoots?

Why would Jackson have to go back to the studios to request more shooting for something he’d already planned? He wouldn’t.

That said, I don’t we should expect to see a flashback of Glaurung coming to the Nargothrond. :)

Maybe we’ll see Galadriel cleansing Dol Guldur during the War of the Ring, though.

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311




DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 13 2012, 11:49pm


Views: 314
Now I want to see that!!


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Maybe we’ll see Galadriel cleansing Dol Guldur during the War of the Ring, though.


Yes please. Perhaps that's where the Phial comes in.


Finrod
Rohan


Jul 13 2012, 11:59pm


Views: 303
let's do the time warp again


In Reply To

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Maybe we’ll see Galadriel cleansing Dol Guldur during the War of the Ring, though.

Yes please. Perhaps that's where the Phial comes in.


Frodo has it then, though.

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311




DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 14 2012, 12:06am


Views: 307
Oh yeah ..... hahaha /

 


Dzhon
Bree

Jul 14 2012, 8:31am


Views: 297
Cleansing of Dol Guldur

I've always thought that they will just move this event from the War of the Ring to the defeat of the Necromancer, as there doesn't appear to be any threat to Lothlorien from Dol Guldur in the films.


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 14 2012, 8:47am


Views: 375
Could work, but not sure I like changing the timelines so much ... /