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MTRougeau
Bree

Jul 21 2011, 12:21am


Views: 19238
New Post by PJ on Facebook

New video incoming???

Admin edit to add: Link to video which is now up: Click here!


(This post was edited by Silverlode on Jul 21 2011, 1:23am)


Spencissimus
Lorien


Jul 21 2011, 12:24am


Views: 12834
Looks like it

I'm assuming that now all the dwarves have been revealed, we'll get to see them in action, maybe filming the scene in Rivendell described in the Empire article. I'm also hoping we'll get a sneak peek at more designs too! Guess we'll have to wait and see!


painjoiker
Grey Havens

Jul 21 2011, 12:24am


Views: 12793
YES!!!

Hopefully it's not to far in the future, because he said it was finished :D
Hopefully it's up when I'm waking up next moring (I'm going to bed now)


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 12:44am


Views: 12663
Here's the link:

http://www.facebook.com/...6841558&comments

don't mention it.Unimpressed


painjoiker
Grey Havens

Jul 21 2011, 12:49am


Views: 12607
Link to the news yes, but there's no video there :o

 


Carne
Tol Eressea

Jul 21 2011, 12:54am


Views: 12788
Wow!

A new one already Shocked ?


sueb1863
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 1:01am


Views: 12959
Now that we've seen the dwarves...

...it'd be great to see them in action! Hope the video comes up soon...


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 1:02am


Views: 12607
Oh sorry about that

Just added the link to the story the OP was referring to (for those of us not on FB).


Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth
Lorien


Jul 21 2011, 1:13am


Views: 12642
Oh..happy day!!

Can't wait to see the new video blog! Does anyone know what twenty questions will be answered?

All you have to decide is what to do with the time that has been given to you...


Salmar
Bree


Jul 21 2011, 1:13am


Views: 12539
Probably putting the finishing touches...

on video so expecting it soon (unless he's decided to post it with some of the answers to the 20 questions).

Anyway, here's the ink to PJ's Facebook Video Index (public, don't need to be on facebook).
It'll be here when he's done:
http://www.facebook.com/...NZ?sk=app_2392950137


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jul 21 2011, 1:18am


Views: 12568
It's up now!

 

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.


Salmar
Bree


Jul 21 2011, 1:18am


Views: 12668
Video link up now...

See it here:
http://www.facebook.com/...?v=10150326323406807


Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth
Lorien


Jul 21 2011, 1:20am


Views: 12556
I just checked and Video Blog #3 is up.

Smile I think its the new one! I don't have time to watch it now.

All you have to decide is what to do with the time that has been given to you...


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 21 2011, 1:20am


Views: 12834
I almost threw up a bit when I saw "bad news". :O

I thought it was going to be something much worse. I agree with Pete that its just too early for official Hobbit panels and such. You don't want to over-saturate the market too early and tire people of it already. Next year should be full of Hobbity goodness. Now the great news, about the new video! That's great stuff, can't wait to see it, and it looks like he's finally getting around to doing the questions that we're asked. Pete is too nice a guy. I would be off my rocker if I had to deal with all the stuff he is dealing with, pleasing fans before the movie comes out probably wouldn't even cross my mind.

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules."
--Walter Sobchak


Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth
Lorien


Jul 21 2011, 1:21am


Views: 12611
Wow!

You have to be quick to post news on TORn. Wink

All you have to decide is what to do with the time that has been given to you...


mykonos
Bree


Jul 21 2011, 1:27am


Views: 12798
I like this Thorin in the vid better than

in the promo pic


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 21 2011, 1:37am


Views: 12648
Cool!

First observation: OMG, Peter's in shorts again, and wow, he's really looking and acting a lot like LotR Peter! Laugh
2nd: The dwarves look amazing in person! And they aren't even captured in the perfect light of Lesnie's camera yet! They all get along so amazingly. I think I'm going to love Bombur and Dwalin! Dwarf song (Metallica version rules! haha!)
3rd: Cate looks amazing, as always!
4th: JRD is an epic, epic man.
5th: SARUMAN! Shocked

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules."
--Walter Sobchak

(This post was edited by Maiarmike on Jul 21 2011, 1:38am)


Salmar
Bree


Jul 21 2011, 1:40am


Views: 12570
So...

which dwarf would you invite to dinner...hehe. Definitely not Bombur. I don't think I could afford his butter intake.

I don't use facebook so would like thank to PJ here for doing these videos. Really appreciate it Pete. Many thanks for taking time out of your very busy schedule.

Great to see Christopher Lee too :)


Vangalad
Lorien


Jul 21 2011, 1:41am


Views: 12607
EPIC!!!

Words can't desribe the feelings when seeing this new video...


All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.


ragamuffin92
The Shire


Jul 21 2011, 1:42am


Views: 12767
semi-spoiler about a song the Dwarves sing

While watching PJ's latest vlog, I was pleasantly surprised to hear the dwarves sing a bit of Bilbo's "Cow Jumped Over the Moon" song--the one that Frodo sang at the Prancing Pony before he accidentally slipped the ring on his finger, in FOTR. I love the fact that the dwarves also played musical instruments in one clip on PJs vlog.
Technically, there is no way that the dwarves could have known Bilbo's song, but I don't feel like splitting hairs. The movie looks like fun, so far.

"Become who you were born to be!"
(Elrond Halfelven to Aragorn--my favorite non-Tolkien line from the LOTR films)


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jul 21 2011, 1:44am


Views: 12640
OMG! OMG! OMG!

CHRIS LEE!!! I can not believe how much has been revealed. I have to re-watch it in HD.

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.


Spencissimus
Lorien


Jul 21 2011, 1:50am


Views: 12745
Beautiful

Seeing them on film confirms for me that the dwarves are just perfect! Even Kili looks much, much better! And then there's Nori's hair, which looks fine now! ahrhgrhgfsls...so awesome!!! Tongue


nobofthepony
Lorien


Jul 21 2011, 1:53am


Views: 12705
not enthused...

Well, technically, Bilbo could have learned it from the dwarves...but it doesn't strike me as a dwarf-song...more of a hobbity kind of irish jig. I imagined dwarf music to be more brash like a German drinking song or something. Not particularly pleasant but a thing to behold...hmmm. Everything else I'm excited about...


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 1:54am


Views: 12679
Cate's costume is sooo much different this time around

And is that a blue shirt under Thorin's layers? Saruman looks perfect! Very exciting stuff.

My LiveJournal
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TORn's Costume Discussions Archive


painjoiker
Grey Havens

Jul 21 2011, 1:55am


Views: 12630
They have different costumes than in the pictures...

There was some that I didn't recoginze, but they did seem more dwarvish here, so I'm extremely happy with the result! :D


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 1:55am


Views: 5612
Woohoo!

Quick observations on first viewing:

The head ornament is in. I suppose we'll have to get used to it.

Very interesting to see some of the hair and beards from different angles. I'm looking forward to studying some stills.....hint, hint. Wink

LOVE the shot of all the dwarves and their doubles!

Ditto the singing

Ditto the clearer view of Gollum's cave

Looks like the dwarves will put up a bit of a fight against the trolls. Not that it will help them much.

And....Saruman! YESSSS!!!

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


Junesong
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 1:57am


Views: 5627
I never thought we'd see this much this soon!

What's next? A Sit down interview between Bilbo and Smaug?

Not that I'm complaining. And the end cameo of Christopher Lee was AMAZING. Love that PJ used his new video to confirm the productions little detour to England.

"Tim... Canterbury... Canterbury Tales... Chaucer... Shakespeare."


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 1:59am


Views: 5742
Oh WoW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!//

 

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Life is an adventure, not a contest.

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eralkfang
Lorien


Jul 21 2011, 2:00am


Views: 5604
Oh my God!

My fingers were shaking so hard after the reveal of Christopher Lee that I could barely log into TORn! I think I've achieved nerd nirvana! I guess I'll do bullets, as I'm a bit too excited to be any more cohesive…
  • Jackson wandering around being a film nerd was cute, but the reveal of Christopher Lee made it awesome.
  • Nori's hair is explained! I rather got the notion that it was shaved into shape, but if it's just well-teased braids, that makes more sense. Good old Starfish.
  • All the footage of the dwarves is amazing, especially dinner in Bag End. They look rowdy, filthy, and like terrible house guests. Ian McKellan delicately saying that he wouldn't have them all over at once was hilarious.
  • Cate Blanchett! My God, she looks gorgeous, as always, and the costume is beautiful. I've been mourning the loss of Dickson (yeah, fine, go work on Green Lantern, break my heart, why don't you) but the new girl seems to be picking up the thread and adding a few twists of her own.
  • I love how they're ribbing Turner for not having a beard (I guess the canon explanation will be that he's too young), but the more I see of Fili, the more I think, "that's what a wildly attractive young dwarf should look like". I hope the ribbing of Kili makes it into the film.
  • Watching Hugo Weaving cutting up while in costume as Elrond is like discovering your schoolteachers have lives outside of school, I have to be honest! Though, of course, I'm glad he's having fun.
  • Seeing all the dwarves together was lovely, but seeing them with their scale doubles was even better.
  • Songs! We'll be having more songs! I'm pleased by this.
I basically shrieked and giggled through this entire video. So much, so soon! We're so spoiled.


ragamuffin92
The Shire


Jul 21 2011, 2:01am


Views: 5648
I agree that the "Cow Jumped Over the Moon" song didn't seem to be very dwarvish

Dwarf lyrics always seem to be ponderous, and are most likely sung in a minor key, usually. The "Merry Old Inn" song was more like an Irish fiddle tune, but it was indeed written by Bilbo, according to the paragraph just before Frodo sings it, in "At The Sign Of The Prancing Pony."

"Become who you were born to be!"
(Elrond Halfelven to Aragorn--my favorite non-Tolkien line from the LOTR films)


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Jul 21 2011, 2:02am


Views: 5554
My words, exactly!!!!!! ///

 

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

www.arda-reconstructed.com


KateTheHobbit
Bree


Jul 21 2011, 2:04am


Views: 5661
*mind explodes*

OHMYDWARVESHOBBITBILBOELRONDGA​LADRIELDWARVESJOHNRHYSDAVIESCHRISTOPHERLEESA​RUMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*dies*

OK, *ahem*.

I have to say, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the way they revealed Christopher Lee! The whole build-up up of PJ appearing in the UK had me on the edge of my seat with anticipation. And then when he showed up in the greenscreen studio with the desk. I think I literally, verbally screamed "No.... no.... YES!" at the computer screen!

Is there anything better than being a Hobbit fan during this stage of filmmaking? I think not!


Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 2:08am


Views: 5746
So... Galadriel will be in Rivendell

I wonder if that will be before, during or after the visit of Bilbo, Gandalf and the Dwarves. It seems she must be there for the meeting of the White Council, no?

I loved that even the *actors* are making fun of Kili. Laugh

And, bless Sir Ian McKellen, who hadn't read TLOTR before being cast as Gandalf, but he was the only one who got the names of all 13 dwarves correct. He positively ooozes class.


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(This post was edited by Altaira on Jul 21 2011, 4:42am)


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 2:13am


Views: 5567
Tolkien's rewrite of The Cat and the Fiddle.

Frodo sang it at The Prancing Pony in Fellowship (Book)

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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abcpo
Registered User

Jul 21 2011, 2:13am


Views: 5760
Rob Kazinsky?

At 11.28 in Bag End, you can see a bit of Fili's head, and that doesn't look like Dean O'Gorman. The same at 11.51 when we see all of them with their scale doubles, that has to be Rob Kazinsky (he looks taller aswell), or am I being total blind here?

Anyway, love to see them all in action, and they look much better here than on the pictures. I totally freaked out when I saw Sir Christopher Lee at the end, just AMAZING!


sarahb1863
Rivendell

Jul 21 2011, 2:16am


Views: 5553
Hm

Not sure! But the quick shot of him during the 'naming of the dwarves' segment matches the actor in the official dwarf reveal, so I think THAT'S Dean O'Gorman. Who I think is very cute. Sure hope the next blog has more Fili!!


Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth
Lorien


Jul 21 2011, 2:22am


Views: 5551
OMGOMGOMGOMG *dies of hiper excitement*

Wow! I can't believe we're seeing this much already! Anybody notice Bifur's skull ornament? Guess what? Its there allright!!! Eek! Who cares about that though? Everything is so amazing!!! Galadriel and Saruman! All the dwarves! That is too much for this Mad Hatter!! SmileSmileSmile I can't contain my excitement!

All you have to decide is what to do with the time that has been given to you...


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 2:23am


Views: 5603
Insanely great!

Oh, the humanity! (or should that be "Hobbitity)?!

The Dwarves look terrific, and I love the camaraderie already evident between Thorin & Co. (BTW, Bifur definitely has thing thing in his head). Angelic

Seeing Saruman again was wonderful. Christopher Lee appears visibly older, but hopefully this can be altered through make-up.

Looks like the Trollshaw scene is going to be much more frenetic than in the book, with the Dwarves putting up an actual struggle (suspected this along along, it just makes sense cinematically).

Did anyone get Elrond's lines? They sounded like "They are some who would not deem it wise...You're not the only guardian to stand watch over the door", I think?

The more we see of this production, the more exciting it becomes. Just absolutely amazing...Smile

I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.


The Grey Wanderer
Lorien


Jul 21 2011, 2:28am


Views: 5651
Bag End set in England tells me the book end scenes will definitely be there

Since I assume they brought them for Ian Holm to shoot in.


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Jul 21 2011, 2:29am


Views: 5774
I'm amazed that no one has yet commented on ...

... the fragments of Riddles in the Dark that they show. Wowsa!

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

www.arda-reconstructed.com


dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 2:30am


Views: 5501
Oh, wow...

Ori is so sweet...

Does the "Man in the Moon" song mean that we'll see them make a stop at the Prancing Pony?

That dish-tossing as they cleaned the table! And those table manners - or lack thereof!

Galadriel's gowns, simple and elegant...

And that "grand finale"...could this video have ended any better than that...Smile

Thank you, PJ! Heart


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"I desired dragons with a profound desire"

"It struck me last night that you might write a fearfully good romantic drama, with as much of the 'supernatural' as you cared to introduce. Have you ever thought of it?"
-Geoffrey B. Smith, letter to JRR Tolkien, 1915




Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jul 21 2011, 2:32am


Views: 5718
THAT WAS FRIGGING AMAZING!!!!

Best video blog yet by far! We see much more than i would have ever imagined we would, at least so soon. All the actors in full make-up, Thorin is intense(!), Bombur funny as hell, ah, so much to take in... It started great and ended with a bang, and pretty much everything in-between rocked my boat, i was grinning and laughing throughout the whole video (look for a few surprise guests Wink). *lol* Well done, well done...


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Jul 21 2011, 2:32am)


Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 2:33am


Views: 5628
Yes! Riddles in the dark

I loved when PJ commented that those were some of the first scenes Martin filmed 'trying on' his new character of Bilbo, and he had Gollum coming at him from every angle all the time.

Classic!

I don't think we need worry that we're going to get some fantastic extras on the DVDs! LaughSmile


Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.



"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower

"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase



TORn Calendar


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 21 2011, 2:34am


Views: 5563
Oh...

...Elrond looks snazzy in purple! Wink

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules."
--Walter Sobchak


Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 2:38am


Views: 5419
I think you missed a couple exclamations points there

here, have some more: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Smile


..The land of long-forgotten name:
......no man may ever anchor near;
..No steering star his hope may aim,
......for nether Night its marches drear,
..And waters wide no sail may tame,
......with shores encircled dark and sheer.

..O! Haven where my heart would be!
......the waves beat upon thy bar
..For ever echo endlessly,
......when longing leads thy thought afar


Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 2:39am


Views: 5459
Absolutely hilarious

I was laughing through the entire video Laugh


..The land of long-forgotten name:
......no man may ever anchor near;
..No steering star his hope may aim,
......for nether Night its marches drear,
..And waters wide no sail may tame,
......with shores encircled dark and sheer.

..O! Haven where my heart would be!
......the waves beat upon thy bar
..For ever echo endlessly,
......when longing leads thy thought afar


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 21 2011, 2:40am


Views: 5481
Chris Lee is a bit older under the eyes, but looks so good for his age!

The cinematography will probably cover that up a bit, plus any touching up they do of his face after the fact. Anyhoo, looks pretty much like Saruman is ready to go!

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules."
--Walter Sobchak


Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth
Lorien


Jul 21 2011, 2:46am


Views: 5415
Now that I've slightly calmed down....

Cate looks awesome in the new dress! So beautiful! Elrond...looking good! I must say............Kili is my favorite dwarf so far! I know he's not much of a dwarf, but I think he's the most awesome looking. Thorin and the rest....you all look exceptional! Nice little appearance by Chris Lee. Its going to take a awhile until my blood pressure goes down....CoolWink

All you have to decide is what to do with the time that has been given to you...


Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 2:46am


Views: 5408
It was, wasn't it?

It's so encouraging to see everyone having such a great time making this movie and taking the stuffing out of each other. It's right on par with the camaraderie we saw in the LOTR movies. And don't Andy and PJ seem tight? The positive attitudes alone go a long way towards boosting my confidence that these films will be great (not that it needed much boosting).


Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.



"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower

"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase



TORn Calendar


hutch
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 2:46am


Views: 5497
ODD FELLOW!!!!!

Cool CHRIS LEE!!!!!!


Patty
Immortal


Jul 21 2011, 2:47am


Views: 5459
Peter Jackson, I love you!

These video blogs just get better and better. How nice of him to let us know he's on the case with Saruman.

And any little concerns I had over the dwarves have just melted away. I'm even going to be able to live with the Bifur head ornament. I don't know why I ever doubted him.Evil

Permanent address: Into the West





hutch
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 2:48am


Views: 5327
i second that

i also think the other dwarves are going to give Kili as much heat for having no beard as we did! CLASSIC!!!


hutch
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 2:50am


Views: 5322
i take it

that you're feeling a little more excited about the project now. what a great teaser, eh?!

Best of of all today is my grandmother's birthday! She will love it!


(This post was edited by hutch on Jul 21 2011, 2:54am)


Black Breathalizer
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 2:52am


Views: 5366
OMIGOD

I was disappointed in the last video blog but THIS ONE ROCKED!!!!!

I loved every frame of it---especially the LAST ones!!!!!!!!!!
Smile


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 21 2011, 2:54am


Views: 5334
Yeah, I was surprised to see Pete in the U.K.

I thought for sure Andy would be shooting those scenes, as Pete would be busy in NZ, but it looks like he's doing the Saruman stuff personally. Great to see.

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules."
--Walter Sobchak


Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 2:55am


Views: 5459
More thoughts

Of course as soon as I hit "reply to this post" the first time I forgot most everything that I wanted to say
but I remember now, so here goes:

Now that I've seen all of the characters in motion, I'm liking the designs a lot more. Still shots used for press releases hardly ever look like the characters their supposed to be (at least in my opinion).

It was great to see everyone mucking around together Cool


..The land of long-forgotten name:
......no man may ever anchor near;
..No steering star his hope may aim,
......for nether Night its marches drear,
..And waters wide no sail may tame,
......with shores encircled dark and sheer.

..O! Haven where my heart would be!
......the waves beat upon thy bar
..For ever echo endlessly,
......when longing leads thy thought afar


Spencissimus
Lorien


Jul 21 2011, 2:55am


Views: 5396
this blog has got me far more excited about these films than anything released previously!

Forget the previous two blogs, forget the pics of the dwarves...this has been the one thing released by PJ that has got me excited to the point of expiration!! Tongue


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jul 21 2011, 3:00am


Views: 5400
Here are a couple things I noticed before sleepy time.

Gandalf's new "old" staff and Thorin's pre-Orcrist sword look pretty cool. I was only able to watch the video full screen in HD by first grabbing it. It would only play small on Facebook. Did anyone else have that problem? Let me tell you all, large and in HD is the way to watch this video. Smile

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.

(This post was edited by Pipe Dream on Jul 21 2011, 3:03am)


Salmar
Bree


Jul 21 2011, 3:00am


Views: 5304
Where can you download it?

Does anyone know where you can download a decent HD version? The facebook link keeps asking you to login in to download.


The Grey Pilgrim
Lorien


Jul 21 2011, 3:01am


Views: 5328
This was incredible...

I never thought we would see this much this soon. Seeing John Rhys Davies on set, The Trollshaw battle set, all the Dwarves, more of Riddles in the Dark, Cate/Hugo....just wow. Smile

Oh and of course the wonderful Christopher Lee! Wink


(This post was edited by The Grey Pilgrim on Jul 21 2011, 3:02am)


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 3:04am


Views: 5377
Here's a larger version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t47TXEi0No0

I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Jul 21 2011, 3:05am)


Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 3:07am


Views: 5342
Wasn't JRD a hoot?!

How awesome is it that he got to visit the set? His 'homecoming' with Gloin, his 'dad' was so funny. Hugs all around to everyone associated with this production. Smile


Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.



"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower

"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase



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Salmar
Bree


Jul 21 2011, 3:09am


Views: 5309
Good to see him at Pinewood

I hope Ian Holm is still okay to shoot. I was watching out for new music bits. It's too early for that I suppose.

Nori doesn't look so OTT now that I see him in motion. The star hair do is more Bram-Stoker-esque now (someone stated that before on the forums. I get what they mean now).


hutch
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 3:09am


Views: 5294
hootnanny

more hoots:

PJ doubling for Stanley Kubrick. Laugh


hutch
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 3:12am


Views: 5431
agreed.

they do look better in motion don't they


Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 3:14am


Views: 5312
I also thought it was very classy to do the whole thing from the perspective of the crew.

You know....the 'unsung heros' of the production. How classy is it to give them a well-deserved part of the limelight. *clink* her's to you Peter Jackson!

(secretly, though, instead of their 'fav moments of production so far', I'd pay money to hear their comments on make-up and costuming challenges, the joys and trials of 'dwarf training,' how many actors have accidentally hit someone in the head (or other body parts) by turning accidentally while wearing half a dozen weapons and, most of all, we want to know the dwarf curse words so when they turn up in filming, we'll be in the know (assuming they won't translate *all* of them literally). LaughWink


Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.



"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower

"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase



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Salmar
Bree


Jul 21 2011, 3:15am


Views: 5194
Thanks...

I've been downloading all the production dairies so that I can watch them on my large tv. Thanks anyway!


Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 3:16am


Views: 5366
Agreed x 2, hutch

The 'reveal' pictures were so stylized and 'posed' I had a feeling that when we saw the company in action, they'd seem much more natural.

Great stuff!


Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.



"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower

"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase



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Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 3:17am


Views: 5241
Oooo... I like that idea too

and of course when we hear about someone bonking someone else on the head, the video should cut to the person who was bonked giving the first person a hard time about it Laugh


..The land of long-forgotten name:
......no man may ever anchor near;
..No steering star his hope may aim,
......for nether Night its marches drear,
..And waters wide no sail may tame,
......with shores encircled dark and sheer.

..O! Haven where my heart would be!
......the waves beat upon thy bar
..For ever echo endlessly,
......when longing leads thy thought afar


Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 3:20am


Views: 5247
Do you have links

to where you downloaded the first two from?

I tried downloading the first one, but it kept downloading blurry, so I figured the same would happen for the second. Therefore, I never actually tried that one, but this video I did try, and it downloaded great, so I don't know what's up.

Anyhow, the long and short of it is: if you could post links I would be eternally grateful Smile


..The land of long-forgotten name:
......no man may ever anchor near;
..No steering star his hope may aim,
......for nether Night its marches drear,
..And waters wide no sail may tame,
......with shores encircled dark and sheer.

..O! Haven where my heart would be!
......the waves beat upon thy bar
..For ever echo endlessly,
......when longing leads thy thought afar


hutch
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 3:21am


Views: 5253
i think PJ and co

are to thank for people nowadays actually caring about the crew thanks to the LOTR dvds. before then very few average movie goers cared about dps, art designers, wardrobe people etc.

but now people love to find out about the crew behind it all. just one more trend this group started.

awesomeness.


Delrond
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 3:25am


Views: 5226
Killer!

What a blast to watch that video. I'll have to rewatch in the morning.

Really enjoyed seeing Galadriel/Elrond/Gandalf in Rivendell. Musical instruments and song; Riddles in the Dark; Dwarves in action fighting @ Trollshaws; Bifur still sporting the craniaxe; and on and on. But most of all, seeing the Dwarves as the rough and tumble hardy folk that they really are, not all glammed up for a photo. Huge difference in appearance for most of them. And Thorin - some signs of what to expect out of his character.

OK, time for lights out.

Things are now in motion that cannot be undone.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 3:25am


Views: 5228
To download:

Use this program, and download right from PJ's facebook page. I have all 3 in M4P format thanks to this program, it works like a charm! Wink

http://youtubedownload.altervista.org/


I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Jul 21 2011, 3:26am)


esheming
Bree

Jul 21 2011, 3:33am


Views: 5244
That song...

...I was wondering if it might be used at the Green Dragon...?


esheming
Bree

Jul 21 2011, 3:34am


Views: 5290
Riddles...

I had to re-watch that section about 5 times before going any farther in the video! Looks like it's going to be perfect!


Marillë by the Sea
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 3:40am


Views: 5458
OMG I CAN'T BREATHE!!!!!

This was SOOOO much better than the 2nd diary and all the photos combined!!!! Whatever reservations I had about ANY of the dwarves completely evaporated when I saw them interacting and just having fun. The only thing I was TRULY disappointed in is that they don't have their coloured hoods!! I was reaaally hoping they would since WETA made that Christmas card greeting for TORn with the dwarves in their hoods, but honestly I'm not THAT bummed out.. they look so good anyway!!

I can't wait for the frame-by-frame analysis Sly Going to take screenshots on my own and analyze them for now Laugh


Hamfast
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 3:43am


Views: 5394
Did I notice more color

on the dwarves costumes ? Or have I been enjoying this video with one too many beers in me...


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 3:45am


Views: 5441
The hoods...

if there are any, would be hanging up by the door, remember. They didn't wear them after they got inside. But I have to admit, it's looking increasingly like they may not bother with their best detachable party hoods for the movie.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


chrismortega
Bree


Jul 21 2011, 3:48am


Views: 5270
sooo gooooood!!!!

This is amazing! Full walking talking dwarves, dwarves hanging out in Bag End, dwarves everywhere! A bit of a song. John Rhys-Davies (I cheered aloud when I saw him) on set. Bombur is fantastic! I actually laughed pretty hard when he was singing the song. I am starting to love the casting. So happy that I have this to look forward to. It's going to be bitter-sweet when it's all done and the Blu-ray is released and all the extra features have been watched. I don't even want to think about that! So much to look forward to now!

"It was deliberate, it was deliberate..."


chrismortega
Bree


Jul 21 2011, 3:51am


Views: 5442
Colored Hoods

If I'm not mistaken don't they hang their hoods up by the door when they walk in? They could still have their colored hoods. I have actually been thinking, maybe it's raining when they show up and they usually don't wear the hoods. I'd like to hope there is still a chance they make it in.

"It was deliberate, it was deliberate..."


chrismortega
Bree


Jul 21 2011, 3:55am


Views: 5367
Jackson is looking more and more hobbity

...and I have no problem with that. Did anyone else notice the shorts? During the filming of LOTR he wore nothing but, but now it seems you rarely catch him in shorts.

"It was deliberate, it was deliberate..."


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 4:00am


Views: 5337
Oh, so much to take in

The Dwarves are wonderful, much better seeing them in action.

Did we see Figwit at Rivendell?

My heart literally skipped a beat when Sir Chris appeared at the end.


Salmar
Bree


Jul 21 2011, 4:01am


Views: 5376
Try this for downloads...

Found a way to download from facebook:

1. Go here:-
http://www.download-facebook-video.com/

2. Copy and paste ONE of the video links below into the search panel and click magnifying glass icon

3. A red title link will appear under the search panel. Right mouse click on it and select either "Save target as" or "Save link as" from the pop up.

repeat steps 1 to 3 for the other videos but insert the approproate link for step2.

Hope this helps.

=========================================================================
VIDEO LINKS TO PASTE INTO SEARCH PANEL
========================================================================

Video 1
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150223186041807

Video 2
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150314562706807

Video 3
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150326323406807&oid=141884481557&comments

(This post was edited by Salmar on Jul 21 2011, 4:04am)


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 4:02am


Views: 5257
The colors certainly looked more saturated to me in this video

I don't know if the photographs washed them out or the video overemphasized them, but I hope they're as bright in the theater!

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My Costuming Site
TORn's Costume Discussions Archive


Salmar
Bree


Jul 21 2011, 4:03am


Views: 5201
I found a way around it. Many thanks for offer of help though //



zecharas
Registered User

Jul 21 2011, 4:07am


Views: 5388
Bombur is wearing the correct hood

Since there is talk about the hoods, I did notice at 3:14 in the video, Bombur is wearing his pale green hood described in the books.


Hamfast
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 4:14am


Views: 5270
I thought so...

particularly in the shot with their scale doubles. I noticed a blue grey, magenta, green...all much more pronounced to my eye. BTW I think this is a good thing.


Rodu
Rivendell

Jul 21 2011, 4:14am


Views: 5431
troll fight

It almost looks like the dwarves are attacking stationary objects, like a troll already turned to stone


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 4:15am


Views: 5335
They seem to be incorporating the hoods into other garments

No detachable hoods here (except for Ori). Instead, the hoods we've seen have been part of cloaks and shirts. I guess they won't be sweeping them off their heads when they bow or they'll strangle themselves! Tongue

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Marillë by the Sea
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 4:16am


Views: 5323
Oh yes

I saw that too and that's what actually reminded me about the hoods. But throughout the video, we see the dwarves in Trollshaw, when they were testing themselves out full in costume in front of the camera, and I've yet to notice any form of detachable coloured hoods. Of course, they might just not be wearing them for whatever reasons... or maybe they're given hoods in Rivendell (reminiscent of Lothlorien gift-giving scene)...highly unlikely, but that's just me grasping at straws trying to come up with excuses and I don't think they'll have their hoods at all Unimpressed If they do have any sort of coloured hoods, it'll just be the few with coloured cloaks (but I could live with that!).


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 21 2011, 4:21am


Views: 5329
Those bags are stand-ins.

They all just go after the big bag, and then the trolls will be inserted later, and they'll most likely be moving around knocking dwarves around.

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules."
--Walter Sobchak


Marillë by the Sea
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 4:22am


Views: 5164
Seems like it

Whatever route they take, as long as the dwarves get some kind of coloured hood, I won't complain!

I don't know why I'm so nit-picky about these hoods.. I'm usually not like this. I guess it's just that I read The Hobbit when I was little, and the only thing I could recall some years later was the colorful dwarves and a dragon!


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 4:23am


Views: 5300
They're attacking

stand-in troll legs held up by prop people in black costumes. Presumably both the fake troll legs and the people holding them will be edited out and replaced with CGI troll legs for those scenes.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


Marillë by the Sea
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 4:25am


Views: 5306
So cute!

I noticed immediately he was wearing shorts and gave a little *squee* that he's the PJ I remember.. just make him take off his socks and shoes and don those big round glasses of his and voila!


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 4:26am


Views: 5413
The dwarves don't just sing....

they also play their instruments. At about 13:25 8:30 you can see Dwalin with a fiddle and Bofur with either a flute or clarinet. Smile

Note: Edited to correct time.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories

(This post was edited by Silverlode on Jul 21 2011, 8:37am)


Marillë by the Sea
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 4:28am


Views: 5208
Thanks, Salmar!

I was bummed that the YouTube downloader's for Windows only and I'm using a Mac, so this site I'm definitely bookmarking!


Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 4:34am


Views: 5303
Well observed, well met, and welcome zecharas!

Excellent observation on Bombur's hood!

Welcome to the boards, and enjoy the ride. Smile


Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.



"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower

"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase



TORn Calendar


renzn
Bree


Jul 21 2011, 4:38am


Views: 5290
Lindir/Figwet

I agree. In the Rivendell scene, there is another elf walking from right to left and it appears to be figwet/Lindir.

I tried to see the colored cloaks, but couldn't.

I loved seeing Christopher Lee in the end and I can't be more grateful to PJ and company for keeping my hopes so high. Opening day, ya that'll be a day I take off from work.


RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 21 2011, 4:57am


Views: 5392
My one and only complaint.

Bifur still has that stupid thing in his head. Frown

Otherwise it was fabulous! And I laughed out loud at the last scene.



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


Bladerunner
Gondor


Jul 21 2011, 5:01am


Views: 5310
Bilbo is wearing the same outfit as in the LOTR film...

I'm going from memory, but he is appears to be wearing the same jacket, shirt and pants that Ian Holm wore in Gollum's cave. Even his hair appears to have the same disheveled look as Ian Holm's did in the FOTR scene. If so, this is an elegant way to maintain continuity with the previous films.


bookgirl13
Lorien


Jul 21 2011, 5:07am


Views: 5248
Downloading vids on a Mac

Load up the webpage and the video, then go to Window: Activity.
Open up the Activity window, scroll down until you see a web object several MB in size (and increasing as the video downloads). Hold down Alt/Option key and double click it.
It should start downloading to your Downloads folder.

This sometimes doesn't work with Facebook, as they've occasionally embedded videos differently. It did for me with Diary #2, so I'm hoping that I can get this new one diect off Facebook. Otherwise, I'll grab it from YouTube the same way.


I was pleased to find out how to get videos on the Mac, without having to get a plugin.


reags
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 5:09am


Views: 5295
That was amazing!

Love the action sequences, the look of Trollshaws and Gollum's cave, and the characters are coming ALIVE! Smile

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson."


TheGoblinKing
Rohan

Jul 21 2011, 5:32am


Views: 5339
This Is A Very Unique Film

No other film in production gives this kind of up to date details and its just fantastic how we are getting to know characters and so on. Peter Jackson i think will be bigger then Lucas and i think when this comes to the screen it will be Harry Potter who Pirates Of The Caribbean what.


JWPlatt
Grey Havens

Jul 21 2011, 5:41am


Views: 5290
Dwarf Colors

I'm sure that in the film, to harken back to the EE Blu-ray of Fellowship of the Ring, they'll all be monochromatic shades of green.


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 5:46am


Views: 5358
Took special note of that too, did you.

Little by little the way becomes clear. Lol. And the Christopher Lee moment!!!! Cool "Who was that strange little person?" LOL!

In Reply To
I wonder if that will be before, during or after the visit of Bilbo, Gandalf and the Dwarves. It seems she must be there for the meeting of the White Council, no?


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Snulle
Bree

Jul 21 2011, 6:12am


Views: 5287
Holy (insert word here Altaira removed last time I got this excited!)

This was amazing!

The dwarves look much better than I hoped. Only thing still bothering me is Kili and that annoying thing in Bifur's forehead.
Thorin looks soooo good in the video compared to the promotion still.

And the rest where to begin. Riddle in the dark, seeing Martin with Sting, Cate looks great. But the icing of the cake was Sir Lee in the end.
I'm so glad we will see him as Saruman again! Cool


pulpfiction16
Rivendell

Jul 21 2011, 6:17am


Views: 5402
White Council

Judging by 8:09 into the film, and that Sarumans set is a reproduction of it, albeit in green screen, (the chair he's sitting on is the same type as Gandalfs), I'll wager that Galadriel shows up while the dwarves are in Rivendell.

Shame they couldn't all shoot their scenes together at the same time, but, they're A-plus actors, so, I have no doubt it won't be noticeable.


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Jul 21 2011, 6:21am


Views: 5405
They look pretty different actually.

I was surprised by how much they changed his costume. It's the same type of clothing, but the colors are drastically different. It's hard to tell from this particular shot, but I think Bilbo is wearing white under his jacket rather than the red waistcoat with the brass buttons seen in the LotR prologue.


(This post was edited by Mooseboy018 on Jul 21 2011, 6:23am)
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Bound
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 6:32am


Views: 5171
I'd imagine so...

It looks to me that there will be a council in rivendell. Perhaps they've even left room from Christopher Lee to be put into those scenes..

The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 6:38am


Views: 5157
Ya' know...

all this talk from PJ about not thinking he was ever going to make TH...wasn't his original original plan to do a trilogy: TH as the first film, and LotR as films 2 and 3, before he ended up settling on the later 2 films as a duology...then went back to a trilogy? Tongue

Also, anyone notice how Nori and Dwalin's voices at the end of video don't sound like Jed Brophy or Graham McTavish? Stunt doubles, perhaps?

I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.


Bound
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 6:41am


Views: 5223
Pure Awesome...

What can I say that hasn't been said already... Nothing really :)

The Dwarves lool really great on camera - even production diary quality camera....

Christopher Lee, Christopher Lee, Christopher Lee !!!!! I love that Peter flew to england to handle that scene personally. I would have put money that Andy might have directed those scenes but its a sign of pure class that he did. Poor C.Lee and Peter had a bumpy road at the release of Return Of The Ring that I think it's great that Pete did this one himself...


Too much to take it.. need to watch it again ...and then head to work, stupid work !! :)

The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed


angelocrator
Registered User

Jul 21 2011, 7:07am


Views: 5199
Chubby Peter

Looks like he's preparing for his cameo as a hobbit.

What a dedication!


Snulle
Bree

Jul 21 2011, 7:15am


Views: 5129
Agree!


In Reply To
The Dwarves look really great on camera - even production diary quality camera....

Especially Thorin. Look at 12:02 into the video. For me this is a totally different Thorin from the promotion picture. Whatever doubts I had about him are now gone! Cool
I will probably change my mind about Kili eventually. After seeing him together with his double I got a sense it might work.


(This post was edited by Snulle on Jul 21 2011, 7:15am)


Nesse
Lorien

Jul 21 2011, 7:18am


Views: 5175
Awesome!!!!!!!!

Thanks PJ for the video blog, I loved it all from begining to end makes me even more excited about seeing the movie....if thats possible.


Snulle
Bree

Jul 21 2011, 7:32am


Views: 5167
Trollshaw

At 6:22 and on. Bombur with his soup ladle! Tongue Heart


Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 7:35am


Views: 5315
Those are the exact same two things that came to my mind...

1. Nori's hair - not so whacky, in fact, not whacky at all!
2. Kili - My mind was screaming all sorts of expletives because I couldn't believe how awesome Aidan Turner looked as a Dwarf (nothing at all like that pretty-boy promo pic).

I am such a happy man today Sly



Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 7:41am


Views: 5187
When I heard Gollum go "Bless us and splash us"...

... I literally jumped out of my seat. Literally. I'm not kidding. I stood up... I did! It's EXACTLY how I've heard it said in my head all these years. I am wounded with pleasure right now Unimpressed



Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 7:43am


Views: 5118
You think they're just pulling our legs with that song?

I wouldn't put it past them to have practiced the song solely for the video. They don't look like a particularly trustworthy bunch Cool



Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 7:49am


Views: 5175
You said it Patty!

I admit I wasn't completely sold on all of the Dwarves based on the promo pics we saw. Luckily, I decided to reserve final judgement until I saw them in all their grimy, gritty action. And I'm glad I did.

I don't know why I ever doubted PJ Laugh



Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Jul 21 2011, 7:55am


Views: 5106
I noticed a better shot where you can see all of it.

It seems that they almost reversed the colors of his jacket and waistcoat.

LotR: dark green jacket and red waistcoat

Hobbit: red-ish jacket and light green waistcoat


Nesse
Lorien

Jul 21 2011, 7:57am


Views: 5197
Kili....

doesnt look nearly as well groomed as the pic but he's still gonna make a major heart throb for the females...cant wait to see Orlando back in costume too even though I wasnt a big Legolas fan. I dont have a favourite they are all so different in personality and looks but by the end of the movie I'm sure we will all have a favourite. I can't wait to see the boards after the the movie gets released it will be awesome.


Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 7:57am


Views: 5093
Oh my! I did not notice him wearing that cloak with the hood...

... that is awesome! AWESOME I tell you Laugh



Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 7:59am


Views: 5037
I noticed that too!

That's probably because the Trolls will be CGI characters that will be popped into the frames in post.



Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Jul 21 2011, 7:59am


Views: 5043
There definitely seems to be more color.

And most of them match the ones Tolkien described. They've just used them for their main pieces of clothing rather than their hoods/cloaks.


dormouse
Half-elven

Jul 21 2011, 8:00am


Views: 5170
Brilliant, just brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You see them all together, in costume and acting and suddenly it all falls into place...........

Riddles in the dark........

the unexpected party..........

RIVENDELL!! - Loved the new costumes (also Galadriel's hot water bottle and Gandalf's flat cap, which probably won't make it into the final film Wink )

Thorin has a Yorkshire accent...........

and SARUMAN!!!!

SmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmile


Patty
Immortal


Jul 21 2011, 8:02am


Views: 6268
I'm afraid "this was also in my mind" JWPlatt. /

 

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Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 8:04am


Views: 6584
13:25? But... but... that's one second prior to the end of the video

You had me dragging the progress bar on my player until I hit the end Tongue



Spencissimus
Lorien


Jul 21 2011, 8:16am


Views: 6454
As am I...all my niggling doubts have vanished into thin air!

Also, are you as completely enamoured of the actors playing the dwarves as I am? They all seem like such wonderful, fun-loving guys (particularly the Kiwis...William Kirschner cracks me up!) and I am so glad that they were chosen to play the dwarves!


Dwimbruk
The Shire

Jul 21 2011, 8:19am


Views: 6385
wow. wow! Wow!! WOW!!!

AMAZING! so much to digest....

Some thoughts - yes, Bombur definitely does fight with his soup ladle! Tongue

Anyone else notice - Oin (I think) seems to have an ear trumpet, which Dwalin pours beer into!

We are going to have some instruments, although Dwalin's clearly isn't a 'viol as big as himself' - that always seemed a bit unlikely to me anyway :p

I love the bit where Bofur falls backward off his chair... James Nesbitt is just pure class.

Thorin looks soooo much more like what I imagined compared with the promo pic :D

I'm even warming to Kili - if he is really young, maybe it could work. Still don't like the elvish ears though.

The scenes with Galadriel don't have any dwarves in, so I think this must be the White Council - Elrond, Gandalf, Galadriel and ???

Overall, superb - how are we going to wait a year!

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Runk Snusgrop
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 8:21am


Views: 6343
Re:

Random observation:

1. Ian said "Sloin" instead of "Gloin"!
2. Bofur has Pippi Longstocking braids!
3. Dwalin speaking Scottish only makes him even more menacing.
4. As we all know, damages to your frontal lobe does tend to make you a bit brash and unpredictable. Bifur looks completely unhinged @ 9:50! I can totally see him as the volatile one that the other have to hold back from time to time.
5. Bombur air-drumming Heart



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terrymerry
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 8:21am


Views: 6248
hahaa!...Brilliant ...

every thing going to be fine... can`t wait for the film ...going back to watch it again!Sly


stormcrow20
Gondor


Jul 21 2011, 8:23am


Views: 6284
Fantastic!!

WOW! This is absolutely spectacular! I felt like screaming with joy throughout the video! All of the dwarves look so much better "in person". The guys seem to get along really well.

My mind was racing the whole time:

Still seems like too much Smeagol, not enough Gollum to me.


Sir Ian knows all thirteen dwarves!

Still liking Mark Hadlow (Dori).

PJ: "I love working with Hugo and Cate, back in Rivendell again." Gandalf sitting at round table, Elrond in purple. White Council meets in Rivendell!

Can't wait to see Gandalf, Galadriel, Elrond and Saruman interact! What a group of wonderful characters and actors! Wish they could all film together.

Where's Radagast?

Elrond and Galadriel have new diadems!


I was right! Gandalf does have a new staff! (And a new hat, too. Wink)

Singing and music-playing dwarves!

Bombur is perfectly cast, love him! He's going to be excellent.

Kili: better in brown hair and clothes, but still too human.

Nori has a pipe!

The unexpected party will be a total riot!

Christopher Lee as Saruman: perfect ending, perfect set-up and reveal, perfect teaser! Love the eyebrows!



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Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 8:24am


Views: 6334
Oh I most certainly am B-)

Since I've never seen any of these guys act before (except Richard Armitage), I didn't know what to expect as until now they've just been a group of 13 actors to me. Watching them together is like witnessing order being formed out of chaos.

But the one Dwarf that's got me uber-excited is Kili. I was quite sad that he looked like an Elf in his promo pic, but I kind of held out hope that he'd be passable as a Dwarf. And well, he's not just "passable", he's as Dwarvish as they come.

For some reason, I wanna speak in gruff tones all day today Sly



phredegar
Bree

Jul 21 2011, 8:26am


Views: 6247
Hear Hear

Agreed - magnificent.


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 8:34am


Views: 6227
Oops!

Wow, don't know how that typo happened! Try 8:30 instead. Blush


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You had me dragging the progress bar on my player until I hit the end


Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 8:37am


Views: 6258
I see the musical instruments :D

Thanks Silverlode. It seems like almost every frame of this video has some hidden gem.



stormcrow20
Gondor


Jul 21 2011, 8:39am


Views: 6279
And the dwarvish energy!

From eating and partying to running and fighting! Wizards may be subtle, but dwarves certainly aren't!

And yes, Bombur air drumming is priceless! Laugh



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Patty
Immortal


Jul 21 2011, 8:42am


Views: 6182
It does have gems...

I can't tell you how many times I've paused and set back the Rivendell dinner scene. That was always what I had wanted in LotR--more scenes of the elven realms. Especially Rivendell. It seems like such a classy place to live.

Galadriel really could NOT be climbing those flets stairs in that gown, though. It must be what she wears for formal dinners outside of Lothlorien. Good to see that Elrond has several changes of clothes.Smile

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Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 8:42am


Views: 6145
Add to this...


Quote
also Galadriel's hot water bottle and Gandalf's flat cap, which probably won't make it into the final film



Elrond's snood in the same scene. Laugh

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 8:49am


Views: 6220
I have never been unexcited about the Hobbit.

Sad,,,angry...depressed...curious...but (so far) never disappointed. ('cept that 3-D thing).

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
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QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jul 21 2011, 8:52am


Views: 6424
Betting no-one else noticed this!

I've been comparing the Bag-End set PJ is on with the set in video #2 and noticed some things...

1)Markers: There are markers everywhere so that the set can be digitally tracked, this is so that they can place the rest of Bag-End (hallways, garden, lighting etc) using a computer, but I noticed the UK set has markers on the desk. The only reason they'd have those markers is for camera tracking. I assume some sort of exact camera track to allow a morph from old Bilbo to young at the same desk or Frodo to Bilbo as a flashback.

2)Dust: The NZ set is dusty, implying no-one has been there for a while, but is layed out exactly as it's seen when Bilbo uses it in FotR. This implies it's either before Bilbo starts the book (which doesn't explain the dust). Or after leaving for Rivendell. If after, we can expect Frodo to sit here and start writing Lord of the Rings as no-one else uses the room after Bilbo leaves.

3)Fireplace: The fireplace is lit in the UK, giving the room a warm, comfortable tone compared to the old dusty abandoned tone of the NZ set. I expect we shall see the warmer tone in a flash-back. Perhaps Frodo thinking back to happier times and missing his uncle.

4)Flowers: If enough time has passed to collect all that dust, those flowers last forever! Or they replace the bouquet frequently.


Mythopoeia
Bree

Jul 21 2011, 9:08am


Views: 6198
I laughed basically the entire vid

The Dwarves look amazing, and I completely lost it when I saw them playing instruments while bowls were being flung across the room--I first read the book when I was 5 and the entire Unexpected Party scene was so much fun to read that watching it come to life now has me grinning so wide it hurts. Unbelievable. All the Dwarves seem to be completely winning characters right now, I'm fond of them all already and am surprised at how easily I can tell them apart. Little details--In the bit where Thorin yells for the others he wasn't wearing his armor, which I thought was interesting. Also, how awkward would a dinner with Elrond be after that outrageous meal in Bag End? Ha! I also found it amusing that the Legolas and Thranduil(?) concept art is now carefully blurred out in the background! I guess we snuck a peek we weren't supposed to get.

As to the hoods, there was a moment where I caught a glimpse of the hat pegs by the door, I can't find it now, but I saw Gandalf's hat hanging there at any rate. There were other shapes below the hat, but I couldn't tell if they were hoods or not. Still, this is evidence at least that there are pegs, so I'd say hoods would be likely.

I don't think Kili looks at all Elvish in this video; on the contrary he looks very boyishly Dwarven, and I think that will work beautifully. My brother, who despised Kili's look in the official photo, is now in total favor of his look as well. Bombur looks even better than he did in the photos, as does Thorin, I think (Armitage is going to be brilliant in this role). And I finally got to see the back of Nori's starfish hair, so I'm a happy girl.

I loved how it looked like Bofur is hammering at the trolls' toes during the Trollshaw fight. Thorin's Dwarven sword looks great, I wonder if it will get broken in the fight to lead him into taking Orcrist?

And Ori, you are absolutely my fellah Wink


Welsh hero
Gondor


Jul 21 2011, 9:45am


Views: 6093
OK, can I just skip the rest of 2011 so it can be 2012

 

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Patty
Immortal


Jul 21 2011, 9:47am


Views: 6039
Only if you...

have all your affairs in order. The world will be ending right after the movie premiere, you know.Cool

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stormcrow20
Gondor


Jul 21 2011, 10:07am


Views: 6126
A few more observations.

As can be seen in the group gathering with the size doubles:

Fili's double is posing with a medium-sized hammer.
Dwalin's double has two small axes on his back (they can also be seen on Graham's back earlier).
Bombur's double has a meat cleaver along with his ladle.
Thorin's double is holding a nice triangular axe.

I'm defintitely excited by these additional weapons!



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Morok Cloudkeeper
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 10:09am


Views: 6065
Brilliant!!Absoulutely brilliant!

OMG!!!!!! I can't remember when I laughed so much in a video when i saw the dwarfes messing around.And Sir Christopher Lee...I almost had a heart attack.Heart

Power can be held in the smallest of things...




LaurenDrake
Registered User

Jul 21 2011, 10:19am


Views: 6117
Rob in Bag End

That's definitely the side of Rob's face in the foreground as PJ stands behind Kili during JRD's visit. Wish we got to see more of him as Fili - though am liking the looks of Dean O'Gorman more and more as we go along.


maut
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 10:24am


Views: 6106
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

Awesome, Awesome!!! I like dwarves, l like every second of video! And I like SARUMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally!
Sorry, that's just emotions, nothing else...

Far over the misty mountains cold

To dungeons deep and caverns old

We must away ere break of day

To seek the pale enchanted gold.
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...and the sound of the kettle on his hearth was ever after more musical than it had been even in the quiet days before the Unexpected Party

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Welcome back to Middle-Earth!!!

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LaurenDrake
Registered User

Jul 21 2011, 10:25am


Views: 6122
Names?

Just an observation. It seems to me that the actors are using pronunciations of each other's dwarf names that sound how I always thought they would but have since discovered aren't the way Tolkien meant them e.g. actors saying Filli and Killi as opposed to Feeli and Keeli. Same with Balin and Dwalin. Do you think that's because they are still talking about them in the way they heard the names in their own heads (rather than the names they will use in character) or because those are the pronunciations that will be used in the films?


Ruijor
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 10:46am


Views: 6065
My God, I´ve just wake up and open my facebook...

This video is so amazing!!! Shocked

When I saw Peter was in Pinewood Studios I said to myself, are they going to show us Saruman The White? They did and the second it appear I collapsed with excitment and relief! And Galadriel with her timeless beauty... Heart

The Dwarves are great. I have now no worries about them, they are truly a great bunch. What about that hug between father and son? Heartwarming...

And yes, it seems the Bilbo and Frodo scenes will take place in Bag End so let´s go on speculating a little more! Damn I´m happy right now, thank you Peter!


Ruijor
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 10:53am


Views: 5712
Kili being dwarvish enough

Not in my book. He really stands out to me like a crossbreed bettween a dwarf and an elf, I think it´s those ears... Crazy


Delrond
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 11:29am


Views: 5404
A couple more as well

7:38 - in Rivendell, there is a tall, what appears to be female, elf standing in the background. Not Tauriel, almost certainly not Arwen, then who?

11:32 - Bag End - hey, that's not the Gandalf we have come to love. Oh, to be a stand-in just for the experience.

Saruman was a pleasant surprise as well.Smile

Things are now in motion that cannot be undone.


smokerings
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 11:53am


Views: 5310
Freaking...

BRILLIANT!!!!!

What a video....this just brings it all together now....I am literally in tears of joy.Evil


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jul 21 2011, 12:02pm


Views: 5350
*kerplunk*

TEARS AND LALUGHTER AND JOY AND OMG!!!!

"Suddenly, it's real!!"

I can't get my head around this ... I'm SO HAPPY!!! I pronounce the dwarves like Gandalf!!! I cracked up when Ian M said he'd only invite a couple of dwarves at a time... just like when he's at Beorn's

I'm shakkng so much I can't type.... Peter... Peter.. Peter.. they're all there! The costumes, the personalities... Riddles in the dark... fighting...laughing... Bag End...Andy, sweet Andy... and the scales taking the family photo with the others... I knew they were filming Bag End in London... I just knew it!

omg Peter. Thank you so much... Rivendell... Galadriel, Elrond and Gandalf all together again with Peter... and JRD! He's not JUST in the neighbourhood!! And Christopher Lee! What a send off... he looks WONDERFUL!! *twitch* too much..toomuch wonderfulness to comprehend..

*still crying with massive smile on face*

We're so lucky... we're so blessed.

Thank you Peter.

*runs to watch again, and again, and again....*

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I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.



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Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 21 2011, 12:06pm


Views: 5203
:D

Gramma, you're giddy enthusiasm always brings a big smile to my face! I love reading your posts! Smile

I can hardly contain my excitement just the same! It's going to be a looong year and a half! Crazy

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules."
--Walter Sobchak


angelocrator
Registered User

Jul 21 2011, 12:08pm


Views: 5264
Sauron

Just realized that we'll see Sauron IN THE FLESH if the fall of the Necromancer is shown!


namarie
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 12:14pm


Views: 5314
The video blogs are getting better and better

Saw the video just once and there is so much to digest.

I will start with ...OMG I just saw Saruman Laugh
God bless sir Christopher Lee..he is perfect :)

And I missed Gollum so much Laugh..and Elrond and Galadriel who is gorgeous by the way.
And how fun to see John Rhys-Davies with his family :P

After watching the video some dwarves look different to me comparing with the photos released.

Nori definitely has some crazy hair.
Ori and Oin look different in the video then the photos.Ori probably looks different because he did not had the hood on his head.

Balin looks much better and I think Dwalin just became my favorite dwarf.

I definitively hate the piece of axe in Bifur's head and I don't know if I will cope with that through out the film.

And is it me or Thorin looks much older in the video? Maybe it's his face expression.

Fili looks much better then the photo and Kili definitely looks human to me and not dwarvish. (at first I could not decide if he looks dwarvish or not but after watching the entire video I can tell that he looks human).
And the actors are saying he is the hot one Laugh..so who could argue with that ..I guess it's decided..Kili is the hot dwarf :)))

Other things that I liked: I saw much more from riddles in the dark and I had a pic at the dwarves doubles and there are going to be songs ..yay..and I can't wait to see the unexpected party scene..it looks to be a fun one :)

And how funny that the actors don't know all the dwarves names :)

And did we saw the dwarves fight in the trolls shaw? (I hope I spelled "shaw" correctly)

I will stop now :)
I didn't read the comments from this thread so it's possible I already repeated some things that other people said.

P.S. I forgot to say..Thank you PJ you are just spoiling us with all this videos and I appreciate the effort.:)


There is always hope

(This post was edited by namarie on Jul 21 2011, 12:20pm)


sharku
Rivendell

Jul 21 2011, 12:34pm


Views: 5249
Saruman

Finally seeing Christopher Lee back as Saruman was the highlight for me in a video full of highlights.

Kudos and thanks to PJ and all involved for making this so generously available. PJ seems to have gone out of his way to address leading questions many of us have had about cast members returning by showing us, rather than the oh-so-old-fashioned method of press releases.

The video also seems to have soothed the concerns about the appearance of certain dwarves, whilst cementing the already good impressions we've all had. Either it's a fantastically good coincidence - or don't tell me they don't scan these forums for fan reaction! ;)

In the end, the spirit of camaraderie and genuine respect for the cast and crew of LOTR seems to shine through - the deliberate reveals of Elrond & Galadriel, and of course of Saruman. In addition, showing JRD's reunion. You can really see why it seems actors 'want' to be in PJs movies - one big family vibe.

Great stuff!


hobbitman
Registered User

Jul 21 2011, 12:36pm


Views: 5235
OMGods!

This is so cool.EVERY Dwarf is explained in this footage,They are incredible.Props to Peter Jackson for making every dwarf different yet inline within their culture.Thorin seems to look like a good looking old dwarf.Remember Good looking people age well and he looks both kingly and experienced veteren.Guess dr death will have no more to say about hios age, becasue Armitage (Thorin.) definatley looks 45-55 easily.Peter Jackson may have shown the footage to put these theories of a heart throb elvish Thorin and Kili to rest.They both look extremely Dwarven as wella s appropriate to look at.This movie is going to be awesome.Good ol Pj and his humble well fed self again lols.Npthing wrong with eat8ing PJ it is YOU and that;s all that matters champion.YOU are a legend in m y least biased opinion.The way you format your blogs is EPIC! in one word.HHEHE
Galadriel looking well and elrond Gandalf and Sir Christopehr Lee looking the same as ever.Kinda dissapointed to not see Elijah Wood but i guess it is a special moment for later.Is it me but does Thorin remind you of the well aged Aragorn on the Return of the king in that flashback.????http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6mc3Fv7vDM
You see Aragorn was 60 something in that scene and he still attain his good looks.Good looking men grow and age Gracefully it is mother natures or the blessing of GOD.s lol


Rosebud
The Shire

Jul 21 2011, 12:38pm


Views: 5341
The last bit

...with Christopher Lee is absolutely hilarious. (Lee looks surprisingly well!) In general a great blog and a really good, close look at the dwarves. Not only do we get to see them move, we also get some insight into their personalities. (Looks like Oin will have a hearing problem, for instance.) Thorin looks a little bit better here than in the promo shot.

Most importantly though is that we're getting a feeling for what tone PJ is going for and it seems like those that spoke of comedy is absolutely on the money.


namarie
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 12:49pm


Views: 5262
saw the video again

and the dwarves do fight in the trollshaw :)


There is always hope


Ezu
The Shire

Jul 21 2011, 12:50pm


Views: 5231
Saruman & Gandalf same chair?

It seems that the chair Saruman sits on at the end is the same type that Gandalf sits on at the round table near Elrond and Galadriel. I guess he may be spliced into that scene.


Rosebud
The Shire

Jul 21 2011, 12:52pm


Views: 5255
A very weird

...sensation to see Kili interact with the others, actually. Next to them it looks like he's not in full costume. He certainly doesn't look anything like a dwarf. (The only one who doesn't look clearly better in the video than the photos, imho.)


DrDeath153
Lorien

Jul 21 2011, 12:57pm


Views: 5269
It's gotten better

I've only watched the video once as yet (then again i'll likely be watching it again as i write this so that may not stand). First impressions though, yes the dwarves have got significantly better to my eyes in the shot footage as opposed to the promo pics. The lack of prosthetics still bothers me (some of them do still look like normal guys in silly costumes) but seeing them in action with their costumes and whatevers swirling around does (obviously) give them more of a sense of life. Some of them have drastically improved in my estimation- Ori and Nori certainly don't look nearly as worrying as i thought they would. To be honest that was really all i was focusing on on my first watch through (well christopher lee's climatic appearance too but mainly the dwarves), so now for the detailed critical analysis:

Gollum's Cave: No sign of the boat (a fair omission i'd say) but it is interesting to see how Gollum is using the rocks on the set- it's little details like that in the direction that help transfer it from a book scene (where you kind of imagine Gollum just paddling up to the shoreline) to a film. Perhaps that fork in the rock will be where Bilbo gets his first glimpse- possibly a real shock moment and yet playing homage to our first glimpse of Gollum in FotR through the ladder. The set though is superb and in the best tradition of the original films- exactly like you imagine.... and yet better- i love the way the rocks tend to slant towards the entrance and their jaggedness- quite a John Howe-feeling area, Bilbo almost finds himself making a 'grand entrance' onto a gameshow he never wanted to be part of. And i actually warm to the more 'indistinct' portrayal of Smeagol/Gollum, it's more playful and more sinister than the polarised performance Andy Serkis did in LotR when Gollum is out in the open and desperate.

Bag End: So this is our first view of the dwarves properly, actually there acting. First thing i noticed is that Dori actually looks rather like Kiran Shah facially. I'm not suggesting it is Kiran under there (they're the full sized dwarves) but it is quite a resemblance in the mouth and the nose. Ori, sat next to him looks a lot less juvenile, still mousey and distinctively prosthetically-light (very much more faun than dwarf) but a bit hairier. Nori's hairstyle has improved drastically. Incidentally i think i saw something similar in sketches of the white witch in the narnia films. Bombur looks suitably imposing at the far end- a bit of a caricature, but it works even if his costume is still a bit dodgy. Aidan Turner has stopped looking quite so blow-dried but he's still not a dwarf by any stretch, in fact he reminds me of Serkis playing Smeagol for the prologue of RotK. Fili is still a far better design (a whiff perhaps of Primus from Stardust) though i still want my dwarvish head proportions. Thorin, in our first in focus mid-range shot still doesn't sit right with me- the first shot i've got to admit there's very little of Richard Armitage recognisable but the head/body proportions are still human in fact he looks more like a young Gandalf than Gimli. Gloin and Oin still look superb, the most dwarvish of the bunch certainly (interesting 'spur' on the back of Oin's hairdo). Graham McTavish's arms have benefitted from some prosthetic layers so they don't look quite as human but his head is still rather small for a dwarf and perched on those big shoulders it could do with some serious augmentation. Balin looks better for getting some life into him. I was a touch worried he almost looked too old in the promotional picture (he looked very frail to be honest) but now i can believe he's one of the oldest and yet still with a bit of vim and vigour in him (i'd still change his 'gnome boots' though). Bifur looks like a laugh and a half- i noticed a little snippet later in the video where he lunges at one of his fellow dwarves while in bag end- a percieved insult perhaps? William Kircher's Khuzdul also was quite fun- i quite like the idea that Bifur almost has tourettes as a result of his injury and might just sit in the corner spurting dwarvish swearwords at various intervals, in addition his costume is more yellow in 'real' light which i'm happy about- looked almost green originally. I'm still not sold on Bofur- he's too human but i do like his costume with the earthy yellow. Bombur looks fantastic and although i'd prefer him to have his braid split into two 'walrus tusks' it doesn't look quite so much like a string of onions when on the move. As Ian McKellen recited the dwarves, Dori has a bit more of his beard showing which makes me happy, Nori has lost a bit of the catweazleness he had on first view (although i would still like his hairstyle toned down a touch) and for all the slenderness of his face Ori is improving on me (his hair is a lot more red than it appeared in the photo where it bordered on grey). We even have the dwarvish take on the pudding basin- a sure mark of any geek (a dwarven Dwayne Dibley perhaps?).

Richard Armitage as Thorin acting (well the little snippet), there are shades of Sean Bean in the voice. Back to looking distinctively like himself in that clip and i'm still not convinced (sorry Armitage fans)- he's not a bad actor, just nothing near Thorin (although seeing him grubbed up (greatly more than he was for Robin Hood and other 'warts and all' period pieces) i'm getting happier with booting him into the predicted role of Bard in my mental Middle-earth).

The interactions between the actors do make me smile. You get to see a bit more of the dry 'straight man' McTavish i remember from Red Dwarf as opposed to the more giggly, clownish side of him that we saw in the press conference. He's a great bloke. Adam Brown is very cool too, although to look at him he's one of the most fundamentally undwarvish characters going with that nasal voice of his (i'm sure he'll change it for the part, then again he's got a fairly big honker in the film so maybe it'll fit). While it's nice they're self-aware, i don't think any amount of ribbing either on or off screen will make Kili dwarvish, in fact it almost highlights that it wasn't a misguided reinterpretation of the dwarvish look but a cynical attempt to get something more totty-esque into the proceedings. The more i see of John Callen though the more he convinces me of his brilliance- there is a dwarf through and through (I do want to hear more of his 'public schoolboy' speaking voice though- it's hilarious).

The Trollshaws: Predictable but cool reinterpretation of the scene. I suppose there's enough 'dwarf counting' in other parts, so a bit of a battle at that stage will be great stuff rather than just sticking bags over their heads one by one. Interesting use of punch-bags as stand ins for Troll legs. Given that we saw Bilbo creeping around next to a fence that looks very similar to the ones in the trollshaw set, perhaps the choice to have them all attack at once is as a 'rescue mission' for their burgler.

Rivendell: Interesting location for the council meeting, looks like one of the new bits of Rivendell PJ talked about in the first video- a kind of rotunda with statues between the pillars. Cate Blanchett looks lovely though certainly different in her new costume (her grey shimmering 'travelling garb' is rather striking, evocative of her in 'dark queen' mode). Hugo Weaving's costume too looks rather more vibrant (and i'm debating whether that's in a good way) than what we saw in LotR where his clothes were rich, but at the same time 'soft' in colour.

Back to Bag End: Good to see they are including some music (I'm hoping for a deeply atmospheric, gutteral rendition of 'over the misty mountains cold'- Khuzdul or English i don't mind). Graham McTavish's dwarf voice (tapping into his native scottish) is quite impressive, almost echoes of Begbie from Trainspotting, pouring beer into what struck me as Oin's pipe. Ori's voice is rather funny too, as Adam Brown says 'very polite'- i'd quite like to see the older dwarves taking the piss out of him- dwarves are polite in formal situations but i imagine Ori hasn't quite learnt when to be rude and blunt, one of the essential skills a dwarf when growing up. It does seem that Bombur (as if the ladle wasn't evidence enough) will be the company's cook- something that wasn't a formal position in the Fellowship of the Ring (though you imagine the hobbits do most of it). Lovely to see John Rhys Davies make an appearance. Interesting to see what might be Rob Kazinsky as Fili in the scale-double shot, looking like he was going to wield the hammer we saw in the first video.

The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow: It's Sir Christopher Lee! Creepy, imperious, perfectly returned to his cinematic self, it's Saruman. Hopefully the character will take part in the assault on Dol Guldur even if Christopher must stay in England. It's wonderful to see him again.

So, this is certainly the best of the videos to date- the last one, while you did get a look at some beautiful NZ landscape frankly doesn't come close to this. So fancy that- i'm happy!

Dr Death


ByThorinsBeard
Rohan

Jul 21 2011, 1:01pm


Views: 5213
tremendous, fun & brillaint

If Bofur, Bifur, Bombur and Thorin need a place to crash in between killing trolls and such, they can stay with me. ;)

Bofur's hilarious Pippi Longstocking 'do matches his mirthful zoink. And I am now impressed with Bombur...(even before the Metallica reference)...so scratch my initial remarks about this rowdy fellow from the record.

LOVED this.

Can't wait to watch again on my lunch hour.

Am so pleased everyone is so utterly in Dwarf mode.

And the bit with Sir Christopher at the end: priceless.

Thank you Peter, cast and crew. Just glorious.


priell3
Lorien


Jul 21 2011, 1:25pm


Views: 5099
I copy them the lazy way...


In Reply To
Use this program, and download right from PJ's facebook page. I have all 3 in M4P format thanks to this program, it works like a charm! Wink

http://youtubedownload.altervista.org/



After viewing the video on Facebook, I open my Temporary Internet Files folder and just copy the .mp4 file over to My Documents and rename them Hobbit1.mp4, Hobbit2.mp4, etc.

MikeP


Bow&Helm
The Shire

Jul 21 2011, 1:39pm


Views: 5074
What a great video...

I stumbled on it last night (I was actually watching #2 because I was bored and when it was done there was #3). Loved it. Thank you. Ditto all of your superlatives.


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 1:41pm


Views: 5038
*glug* //

 

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namarie
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 1:45pm


Views: 5171
I was thinking the same

I think in the shot with the dwarves and their scale doubles is Rob as Fili.


There is always hope


HappyHobbitess
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 1:55pm


Views: 5055
musical dwarves!

Watching the Dwarves at Bag End was my favorite part, especially their musical endeavors. I made the mistake of trying to watch this at work, and when it showed them singing and playing their instruments, I burst out laughing!

I've long thought that because *The Hobbit* is so funny, especially those scenes in Bag End, all P.J. had to do was stay relatively true to the spirit of the book and we'd be in for some serious hilarity. Looks like that's exactly what's happening! Huzzah!!!

I seriously heart the Dwarves--as has been noted, seeing them in action is a hundred times better than seeing their pictures.

This is going to be fabulous! But however are we going to wait???!!!

"Yes, but what about SECOND breakfast?"


Bound
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 2:01pm


Views: 5143
Why apologise?

Why do you feel the need to apologise for the fact that you don't like Richard Armitage? You not liking him won't effect people who are his fans. You clearly state that you don't think he's a bad actor he's just not your vision of Thorin. The problem of course is it doesnt matter if we are pro or against him, he is after all cast. He is Thorin.

I'm not taking shots at your post, i'm just curious as to why you apologise, as your opinon changes nothing, no more then a pro Armitage's does.

I should state for the record that i feel neither great love nor dislike for him. I need to see the movies to judge, but i'm optimic.

The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed


timdiggerm
Registered User

Jul 21 2011, 2:36pm


Views: 4984
Rivendell shoots

Splicing an actor in like that might be doable, but it would probably be better if they didn't do it that way. Far more likely, I think, is that they filmed all the Dwarves-In-Rivendell stuff in NZ, then all the White-Council-In-Rivendell stuff in UK.


Anduril1993
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 2:44pm


Views: 4990
Its Great to see Christopher Lee their!

 



All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shal be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 2:47pm


Views: 5038
There is lots of Rob K in this one, which is bittersweet

poor guy.

One wonder's if they will use any of the footage he was in in the TR?


Dwimbruk
The Shire

Jul 21 2011, 2:51pm


Views: 5055
It's an ear trumpet, not a pipe!

(we're talking about the thing which Dwalin pours beer into at about 10:23 on the vid)

I'm sure it's an ear trumpet (i.e. a hearing aid), not a pipe, unless Oin smokes out of his ear Wink

If you look carefully in a previous scene (9:46), you can see it sitting on the table. Oin does have something else in his mouth, which might have added to the confusion...

Incidentally, just noticed, and don't think anyone has mentioned it, that Oin (at least I think it's him) seems to be playing a teapot as his musical instrument at 8:31 Shocked


Evernight
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 3:01pm


Views: 5713
Some thoughts...

  • Glad to see (and hear) that there'll be music.
  • I'm still a little bit worried about Kili, along with Tauriel that is the only thing I don't quite like yet about these films. However, I'll wait until I walk out of the theather to make my final judgement (as it should be).
  • Thorin looked older than in the promotional picture, good.
  • Galadriel, I love thee. Heart
  • Christopher Lee, you are a legend.


In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit...


zecharas
Registered User

Jul 21 2011, 3:03pm


Views: 5646
Thanks!

Thanks for the welcome. I have been a long time reader of these boards but only now decided to join. Your not kidding when you say "enjoy the ride!" Laugh


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 3:04pm


Views: 5724
May I join you?//

 

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dream wanderer
The Shire

Jul 21 2011, 3:14pm


Views: 5678
Chemistry!

I was glad to see real honest chemistry between the actors. That was a big part of the success of LoTR imho. They look like they would be happy to have a beer together off set.

I'm such a rube that in the very beginning I was actually wondering "They filmed parts of the James Bond movies in New Zealand?" Then I saw the Pinewood Studio shot...du-uh.

The dwarves remind me a bit of Klingons but in the best possible way. I like Klingons.

I liked the look of all of them...especially Thorin.

Kili just looked young to me. I can imagine a young Gimli back home pouting and angry "How come HE got to go?"Wink Speaking of Gimli it was great to see JRD on set and to hear words of wisdom for the dwarves.

Great to see the old faces returning, especially Christopher Lee. That was a surprise.


Alassëa Eruvande
Valinor


Jul 21 2011, 3:15pm


Views: 5683
**SQUEEEE!!**

CHRISTOPHER LEE!!!!!

*kerplunk*



And suddenly the Tornadoes saw afar off a greenlight, as it were a cloud with a living heart of flame;
and they knew that this was no vision only, but that PJ had made a new thing: The Hobbit, the Film that Is.


Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 3:16pm


Views: 5757
And with that, this round of excitement is complete :D

I was waiting for your post gramma. And of course, you just made me wanna watch the video again, yet again! CoolHeart



Alassëa Eruvande
Valinor


Jul 21 2011, 3:19pm


Views: 5621
"pot of gold at the end of the rainbow"

Indeed. I couldn't agree more. Smile



And suddenly the Tornadoes saw afar off a greenlight, as it were a cloud with a living heart of flame;
and they knew that this was no vision only, but that PJ had made a new thing: The Hobbit, the Film that Is.


Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 3:27pm


Views: 5660
That sure must've felt special :o) //

 



Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 3:38pm


Views: 5752
I think it's just different layers of the same costumes

But I have much drooling left to do over the screencaps to be sure.

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RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 21 2011, 3:52pm


Views: 5749
I'm just happy they're including songs.

I really missed the songs in LOTR.

And I hope they're not replacing the dwarves kitchen cleanup song with the cow jumping over the moon.



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


Symbelmine
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 4:03pm


Views: 5535
This video made my day

and it's my birthday today so this video is like the best gift.
Galadriel looks stunning.
It's great to see J.R.D. and Christopher Lee.
Those dwarves made me laugh.
I wish it was December 2012.


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jul 21 2011, 4:07pm


Views: 5548
Any requests?

Give me a time, and I'll throw it up.

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.


Patty
Immortal


Jul 21 2011, 4:10pm


Views: 5456
Happy birthday, Symbelmine...

Yes, you got one of the best presents!

Permanent address: Into the West





Radagast_the_Brown
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 4:14pm


Views: 5566
OMFG so much win!

I've been pretty calm about this whole process up till now, but seeing this last video diary.... SO DAMN EXCITED! I want to see this movie NOW! Seeing Lee back in full garb was epic, but for me the highlight was Cate. We've heard so little about her involvement till now, and then wham, there she is on set looking stunning.

The Dwarves truly look fantastic. I had no real problem with the promo shots but I wasn't sure if they really felt like a group of Dwarves. Seeing them all interact together on set has washed away all my doubts though, I even like Kili's look.

All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you...


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 4:58pm


Views: 5510
Good stuff

PJ being inexplicably transported to Pinewood was pretty hilarious – they better put these things on the DVD. The Dwarves generally look better in their element and surrounded by sets and more natural lighting than they do when they're photoshopped into a giant grey background, as we knew they would. I'm feeling a bit better about Armitage as Thorin – he looks like he'll be a cool Dwarf leader, even if he's not really the character I took from the book. I'm afraid I'm still not feeling Kili – he just doesn't look like a Dwarf, and there's practically no resemblance between him and his brother. It looks like they're turning the Trollshaws sequence into a battle, which is not surprising; I'll have to see the final product before I decide what I make of the change, but hopefully the Dwarf-sacks and the troll argument are still in there somewhere. Cate and Hugo have hardly aged, and while I don't have the same passion some members here feel for costumes, it looks like the filmmakers have come up with some interesting new things for them to wear – I don't want them to look exactly like their Lord of the Rings selves. The scene with the Dwarves gathered around Bilbo's table for dinner looks suitably chaotic, and I can definitely get behind Bifur going crazy and sending the whole thing to hell (a bit like the scene in Time Bandits where the dwarves are performing for Napoleon). It was great to see John Rhys-Davies turning up, and seeing Christopher Lee as Saruman was just the icing on the cake. I hope he has a pretty substantial role in the film.


ragamuffin92
The Shire


Jul 21 2011, 5:04pm


Views: 5486
re: "I really missed the songs in LOTR. "

So did I. We heard snippets of "The Road Goes Ever On and On," Strider singing a bit of "The Lay of Luthien," Gollum croaking out his greatest hit, "Ode To a Fishhhhh," Cool and that little poem by Sam about Gandalf's fireworks, but that's about it, as far as I recall.
There were a number of songs that were made up for the films (Merry & Pippen's "Green Dragon" song, Pippen's song while Denethor was eating, and some Elven songs); and of course, there was Eowyn's funeral song, and Aragorn's song at his coronation. but very few songs by Tolkien . I was hoping to hear "O Elbereth, Gilthoniel" at least once.
But I'm very happy that there will be suitable music in TH, and I love the tone of the film, from the little bit I've seen, so far.

"Become who you were born to be!"
(Elrond Halfelven to Aragorn--my favorite non-Tolkien line from the LOTR films)


Try-again-later
The Shire

Jul 21 2011, 5:10pm


Views: 5427
Amazing...

These production videos have been fantastic. The dwarves look great in motion. Dwalin and Bofur remain my favourite dwarves. And Sir Christopher Lee...awesome.

Keep these videos coming PJ. I can take the spoilers.


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jul 21 2011, 5:11pm


Views: 5538
Cate



"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jul 21 2011, 5:19pm


Views: 5496
Hugo



"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.


Oin K
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 5:22pm


Views: 5531
“Now for some music!” said Thorin. “Bring out the instruments!”


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Kili and Fili rushed for their bags and brought back little fiddles; Dori, Nori, and Ori brought out flutes from somewhere inside their coats; Bombur produced a drum from the hall; Bifur and Bofur went out too, and came back with clarinets that they had left among the walking-sticks. Dwalin and Balin said: “Excuse me, I left mine in the porch!” “Just bring mine in with you!” said Thorin. They came back with viols as big as themselves, and with Thorin’s harp wrapped in a green cloth. It was a beautiful golden harp, and when Thorin struck it the music began all at once, so sudden and sweet that Bilbo forgot everything else, and was swept away into dark lands under strange moons, far over The Water and very far from his hobbit-hole under The Hill.

The dark came into the room from the little window that opened in the side of The Hill; the firelight flickered—it was April—and still they played on, while the shadow of Gandalf’s beard wagged against the wall.

The dark filled all the room, and the fire died down, and the shadows were lost, and still they played on. And suddenly first one and then another began to sing as they played, deep-throated singing of the dwarves in the deep places of their ancient homes; and this is like a fragment of their song, if it can be like their song without their music.

Far over the misty mountains cold
To dungeons deep and caverns old
We must away ere break of day
To seek the pale enchanted gold.
The dwarves of yore made mighty spells,
While hammers fell like ringing bells
In places deep, where dark things sleep,
In hollow halls beneath the fells.
For ancient king and elvish lord
There many a gleaming golden hoard
They shaped and wrought, and light they caught
To hide in gems on hilt of sword.
On silver necklaces they strung
The flowering stars, on crowns they hung
The dragon-fire, in twisted wire
They meshed the light of moon and sun.

Far over the misty mountains cold
To dungeons deep and caverns old
We must away, ere break of day,
To claim our long-forgotten gold.
Goblets they carved there for themselves
And harps of gold; where no man delves
There lay they long, and many a song
Was sung unheard by men or elves.
The pines were roaring on the height,
The winds were moaning in the night.
The fire was red, it flaming spread;
The trees like torches blazed with light.
The bells were ringing in the dale
And men looked up with faces pale;
Then dragon’s ire more fierce than fire
Laid low their towers and houses frail.
The mountain smoked beneath the moon;
The dwarves, they heard the tramp of doom.
They fled their hall to dying fall
Beneath his feet, beneath the moon.

Far over the misty mountains grim
To dungeons deep and caverns dim
We must away, ere break of day,
To win our harps and gold from him!


As they sang the hobbit felt the love of beautiful things made by hands and by cunning and by magic moving through him, a fierce and a jealous love, the desire of the hearts of dwarves. Then something Tookish woke up inside him, and he wished to go and see the great mountains, and hear the pine-trees and the waterfalls, and explore the caves, and wear a sword instead of a walking-stick. He looked out of the window. The stars were out in a dark sky above the trees. He thought of the jewels of the dwarves shining in dark caverns. Suddenly in the wood beyond The Water a flame leapt up—probably somebody lighting a wood-fire—and he thought of plundering dragons settling on his quiet Hill and kindling it all to flames. He shuddered; and very quickly he was plain Mr. Baggins of Bag-End, Under-Hill, again.

I can't wait to see what Howard Shore has in store for us with this scene. I wonder what a dwarvish viol looks like, and whether they'll lose them along with the ponies when the goblins attack them in the mountains. Come to think of it, how and why did they bring "viols as big as themselves" and a full-sized harp all the way to Bag End with them? Something tells me they'll be scaled down a bit for the film. Collapsible cellos, perhaps?

"The Naugrim were ever, as they still remain, short and squat in stature; they were deep-breasted, strong in the arm, and stout in the leg, and their snouts were long. Indeed this strangeness they have that no Man nor Elf has ever seen a snoutless Dwarf - unless he were rhinoplasted in mockery, and would then be more like to die of shame than of many other hurts that to us would seem more deadly. For the Naugrim have snouts from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike..." (History of Middle Earth, volume 11, The War of the Truffles, p. 205)


Gollum the Great
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 5:29pm


Views: 5456
PJ needs to be careful...

I almost passed out watching this! Wink

This has to be the MOST AMAZING video yet!

The dwarves look SO much better in real life than in the photo!

As I watched this, I was somewhere between hyperventilation and joyful delirium.... And just when I would recover from the last surprise, something new would pop up - Cate, John R.D., Gollum saying, "Bless us and splash us, precious!"

And to top it all off, SAURUMAN is back! it was great to Christopher Lee!

I am SOOOOO excited, and the next 14 months shall pass like 14 bazillion years...

Lord Sméagol? Gollum the Great? The Gollum! Eat fish every day, three times a day; fresh from the sea. Most Precious Gollum!


Oin K
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 5:30pm


Views: 5506
Kili has even less of a beard than in the promo photo!

And for those theorizing that it's because he has to cut it off because of the spiders' webs, he's clearly already beardless in the Bag End scenes. He does at least have a decent-looking dwarf nose, but he still looks like a dwelf!

"The Naugrim were ever, as they still remain, short and squat in stature; they were deep-breasted, strong in the arm, and stout in the leg, and their snouts were long. Indeed this strangeness they have that no Man nor Elf has ever seen a snoutless Dwarf - unless he were rhinoplasted in mockery, and would then be more like to die of shame than of many other hurts that to us would seem more deadly. For the Naugrim have snouts from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike..." (History of Middle Earth, volume 11, The War of the Truffles, p. 205)


Zizix
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 5:36pm


Views: 5443
OMG! Gandalf's hat is all wrong!

Is it just me or does Bifur not look as demented when he walks into Bag End?
Kili still looks like an elf to me. But slightly better.
Gloin's beard looks HUGE.
Fili looks older... or is this the other actor?
Nori's hair looks better.

And what a surprise ending!


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OMG, Peter's in shorts again

So I wasn't the only one thinking that. Cool


Oin K
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 5:38pm


Views: 5378
How could you not be excited about the 3-D?

It's the closest any of us will ever get to actually being in Middle Earth! Tongue

"The Naugrim were ever, as they still remain, short and squat in stature; they were deep-breasted, strong in the arm, and stout in the leg, and their snouts were long. Indeed this strangeness they have that no Man nor Elf has ever seen a snoutless Dwarf - unless he were rhinoplasted in mockery, and would then be more like to die of shame than of many other hurts that to us would seem more deadly. For the Naugrim have snouts from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike..." (History of Middle Earth, volume 11, The War of the Truffles, p. 205)


Oin K
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 5:46pm


Views: 5408
They will have hoods, I guarantee it

I had thought the instruments might have fallen into that "childish" category and get cut, but if they're still in, the hoods will be. Trust me, PJ has probably heard enough about the hoods already that if by some weird chance they had neglected to put them in, they would doubtless have to go back and do it in pickups later!

"The Naugrim were ever, as they still remain, short and squat in stature; they were deep-breasted, strong in the arm, and stout in the leg, and their snouts were long. Indeed this strangeness they have that no Man nor Elf has ever seen a snoutless Dwarf - unless he were rhinoplasted in mockery, and would then be more like to die of shame than of many other hurts that to us would seem more deadly. For the Naugrim have snouts from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike..." (History of Middle Earth, volume 11, The War of the Truffles, p. 205)


Oin K
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 5:49pm


Views: 4900
I just about lost it when Bombur started with the air guitar

I can tell poor fat Bombur is going to be a large part of the comic relief in this troupe. That fat suit is hilariously bouncy. The whole bunch look to be ripe for hilarity, really.

"The Naugrim were ever, as they still remain, short and squat in stature; they were deep-breasted, strong in the arm, and stout in the leg, and their snouts were long. Indeed this strangeness they have that no Man nor Elf has ever seen a snoutless Dwarf - unless he were rhinoplasted in mockery, and would then be more like to die of shame than of many other hurts that to us would seem more deadly. For the Naugrim have snouts from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike..." (History of Middle Earth, volume 11, The War of the Truffles, p. 205)


Evernight
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 5:53pm


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Songs...

Merry and Pippin's song at the Green Dragon was not entirely made up, part of it was taken from the song Pippin, Sam and Frodo were singing in Woody End right before they hear the scream of the Nazgul, before they get to Maggot's farm.
Pippin's song in Minas Tirith was also taken from the chapter "Three's company".
As for "O Elbereth, Gilthoniel", you can hear it when Frodo and Sam are travelling through the woods and see the elves going to the havens. I don't remember whether the O Elbereth bit is in the movie or not, but it is in the soundtrack.

In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit...

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Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 5:55pm


Views: 4894
Agreed, they would totally do that

"Quick guys, the blog camera is coming, switch to the other song!"


..The land of long-forgotten name:
......no man may ever anchor near;
..No steering star his hope may aim,
......for nether Night its marches drear,
..And waters wide no sail may tame,
......with shores encircled dark and sheer.

..O! Haven where my heart would be!
......the waves beat upon thy bar
..For ever echo endlessly,
......when longing leads thy thought afar


Oin K
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 5:56pm


Views: 4956
I'm sure the set is full of Khuzdul dialect coaches

Considering how much attention was paid to the correct pronunciation of the Elvish in LOTR, I don't think we have much to worry about. It is most likely as you said: the actors have a preconceived way of saying the names, but the directors and Tolkien language experts on set will keep them straight wherever dialogue is concerned.

"The Naugrim were ever, as they still remain, short and squat in stature; they were deep-breasted, strong in the arm, and stout in the leg, and their snouts were long. Indeed this strangeness they have that no Man nor Elf has ever seen a snoutless Dwarf - unless he were rhinoplasted in mockery, and would then be more like to die of shame than of many other hurts that to us would seem more deadly. For the Naugrim have snouts from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike..." (History of Middle Earth, volume 11, The War of the Truffles, p. 205)


Oin K
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 6:01pm


Views: 4980
Is Kili the dwarvish equivalent of a red-headed stepchild?

He's just too much fun to beat up on! But I also mean in a more literal sense, in that Thorin may have been reluctant to take him and Fili along, but did so perhaps out of obligation to their mother Dis, his sister. I wasn't able to get a good look at Fili, but just seeing Kili there among the older, well-bearded fellows made him seem really far out of his element, almost like an outcast. I wonder if he'll be played more as a rebellious kid or as an awkward youngster still finding his feet and trying in vain to gain his uncle's respect.

"The Naugrim were ever, as they still remain, short and squat in stature; they were deep-breasted, strong in the arm, and stout in the leg, and their snouts were long. Indeed this strangeness they have that no Man nor Elf has ever seen a snoutless Dwarf - unless he were rhinoplasted in mockery, and would then be more like to die of shame than of many other hurts that to us would seem more deadly. For the Naugrim have snouts from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike..." (History of Middle Earth, volume 11, The War of the Truffles, p. 205)


Oin K
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 6:04pm


Views: 4892
I'm normally a rather stoic fellow, but that last shot made me clap my hands in glee

It's good to see PJ mending fences with Christopher Lee by going to the UK himself to film Saruman's scenes. I wonder if the other actors in his scenes were present via teleconference?

"The Naugrim were ever, as they still remain, short and squat in stature; they were deep-breasted, strong in the arm, and stout in the leg, and their snouts were long. Indeed this strangeness they have that no Man nor Elf has ever seen a snoutless Dwarf - unless he were rhinoplasted in mockery, and would then be more like to die of shame than of many other hurts that to us would seem more deadly. For the Naugrim have snouts from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike..." (History of Middle Earth, volume 11, The War of the Truffles, p. 205)


ragamuffin92
The Shire


Jul 21 2011, 6:14pm


Views: 4891
Pippen's song

Thanks for the info, Evernight. I didn't connect it with the Woody End song because it was so sad in the film, while in the original context in Three Is Company, it seemed to me to be a typical walking song--even though it was partially serious in tone, I still imagined the melody as being somewhat on the cheerful side, in true hobbit-fashion.

"Become who you were born to be!"
(Elrond Halfelven to Aragorn--my favorite non-Tolkien line from the LOTR films)


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 6:23pm


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I'm happy that you're happy :)

Gollum's Cave looks like it's staight from John Howe's scetchbook.

I'm little suprised the White Council is going to take place in Rivendell - perhaps I shouldn't be, but for some reason I had just assumed they're going to build a new set for that purpose.

I'm not entirely convinced of the new Elven costumes. Some of the material on Elrond's and Galadriel's costumes look too modern and industrial, not really Medieval enough.

Agreed, let's hope they find a way to get Saruman into the Dol Guldur attack!

Kili looks like a complete wet-eared kid next to real men! XD I can see why you wish they don't bring any more attention to it, but I kind of want the other Dwarves to belittle him and make fun of him, and possibly even consider him to be the ugly one.

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


Patty
Immortal


Jul 21 2011, 6:26pm


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This video blog shows how good PJ is at dreaming up framing devices...

he used the "being lost--where am I" to go into the PInewood stuff and kept it up as a device. Inserting Saruman there was a touch of genius. It strikes me that PJ's not a bad actor himself.

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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 6:28pm


Views: 4870
Their names aren't Khuzdul, but Old Norse

So I wonder what route they'll take to pronouncing them. I remember some of the names in LotR were purposefully pronounciated worng, because people were expecting to hear the "wrong pronounciation" after saying the names like that for decades.

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 6:31pm


Views: 4790
Happy Birthday, dear Symbelmine!

Maybe next time we'll get more Elves!

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 6:35pm


Views: 4810
Bilbo mentioned the Troll argument in LotR

He told about it to the Hobbit children. "They were all arguing how they would cook us: would they ----" and so on, I can't remember the whole quote exactly.

I have high hopes the culinary agument scene is kept. I imagine the Dwarves are going to get captured after putting up a fight, after which the Trolls start to argue about how to cook them.

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 6:38pm


Views: 4903
I really, really like the white dress

but I'm not sure how I feel about the grey overdress. The material seems a little industrial...

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 6:42pm


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Yes, but I also expect

that their faces will be visible while the trolls deliberate, so we can get reaction shots. So either they'll be tied up but not in sacks, or they will be put into sacks with their heads sticking out. This for the same reason that makes every lead actor in an action movie fight without a helmet, or take it off, or at least raise his face guard in the middle of the action, just to make sure that you can see his face.

This is one of my cinematic pet peeves, along with people leaving doors sitting wide open while there are supposedly raging blizzards going on outside. Tongue

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 6:42pm


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The one on the left and the one in the middle

are just the same costume in different colour, and perhaps in different texture. But I don't complain, because I really like them. It's Elvish and yet not slavishly identical to what Hugo wore in LotR.

However, the costume on the right look a bit wierd. The colours are (probably intentionally) similar to his Council of Elrond robe, but the shape is all baggy. Maybe it just seems like that because of Hugo's posture, and will look better when he's standing or moving.

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 6:43pm


Views: 4796
Thanks for the caps! //

 

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 6:45pm


Views: 4752
Perhaps the lighting

and the way things are shot will alter the appearance of some of the materials somewhat. Maybe they're going for a sort of Elven cloth-of-gold effect, but more fluid?

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 6:47pm


Views: 4831
The one on the right is his bathrobe over another costume, I think //

 

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FrodoEyes
Rivendell

Jul 21 2011, 6:48pm


Views: 4782
Better than LOTR?

"Who is that strange little man?" :rotfl

That was incredible. I never believe people when they say they were running around the room screaming with joy, but i really was there!

I think this might be my favorite film of all time, even outdoing LOTR.

'I wish the Ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened.'
'So do all who live to see such times but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.'


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 6:50pm


Views: 4899
I really dislike Cate's costumes, that we've seen

Bare arms? And the sheer white one seems to have some silver sparkles that remind me far too much of either my high school prom or that cheap Halloween fabric they sell at Wal-mart. The grey overdress just seems blocky and heavy to me, a long way away from her flowy, beaded gowns of LOTR.

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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 6:53pm


Views: 4883
What, you mean Gandalf's flat Rivendell hat isn't going to be in the films?!

Oh God, I feel so stupid now. Cool

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster

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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 6:57pm


Views: 4857
The Elven costumes do seem a bit cheap

and not as good as in LotR. However, I do like the shape of the white dress. The bare arms aren't such a strech when you remember Arwen's "you can see my thights" Dream Gown...

The material might seem better on film. And anyway, I'm happy the new designer isn't just copying Ngila but going for something new. Otherwise I couldn't really respect her that much, I guess.

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 6:59pm


Views: 4838
Oh and the shape of her sleeves are positively historical

Reneissance, and why not medieval too. I believe some extras had similar sleeves in LotR too.

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 7:06pm


Views: 4788
yes they are historical

With a sleeved undergown Tongue And Arwen's purple chiffon dress was clearly meant as bedroom wear. It just seems strange to me that in 60 years the fashions of immortal beings are going from no sleeves to enormous sleeves like we see in LOTR.

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marillaraina
Rohan

Jul 21 2011, 7:10pm


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Because he's young...

One them made the comment he didn't have a beard because he was young, so that seems like what they are going with in the film, his beard hasn't all come in yet, which was also one of the ideas tossed about here. I dare say he will get a fair bit of teasing about it and he looks like a young dwarf to me.

Never had a doubt in my mind that RA would make a great Thorin and seeing him in action is even more convincing than the still photo. :)

I just about died when Saruman came on! That was fantastic. And I loved "Daddy" from John Rhys Davies. :)


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And for those theorizing that it's because he has to cut it off because of the spiders' webs, he's clearly already beardless in the Bag End scenes. He does at least have a decent-looking dwarf nose, but he still looks like a dwelf!



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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 7:13pm


Views: 4918
Now now, we've only seen one Galadriel costume

Which is obviously ment to be a "big girl's dress" a la Arwen's Blood Red etc. They've wanted to create something special, as I assumed. The rest of the costumes seem pretty faithful to the tone of LotR.

Though to be fair, to me the Elven costumes have always seemt a bit too diverse. Some of them are clearly Medieval Europe, some are clearly Asian, and the Dream Gown and the statues are Ancient Greece. I've just explained to myself that the Elves are both immortal and very creative, so they can have more diversity to their dress styles than we humans do.

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 7:17pm


Views: 4899
That's fine, but I don't have to like it

And personally I find the dwarves and their Asian inspired collars and lowered waistlines quite out of line with Gimli's costume from LOTR. But of course, we only had one dwarf to go off of from LOTR.

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lindorian
The Shire

Jul 21 2011, 7:17pm


Views: 4886
Totally exhilarated!!!!!!

I felt utter joy seeing that. They all look so incredible. The stills couldn't capture the essance of the characters. I hope the Thorin naysayers are feeling slightly less anti now because he's gonna be amazing!


dwarf_girl
The Shire

Jul 21 2011, 7:19pm


Views: 4817
OMG!! ME NEITHER

That was just amazing! I totally agree with your thought. And Saruman at the end! Oh, just... Im speechless and deeply moved and excited.


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 7:22pm


Views: 4894
Of course you don't :)

As you said we only had Gimli in LotR, and they're in line with him enough to me. The waistline could be lower now because they don't need to try to make them look smaller than they are, instead to make them look more robust.

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


Oin K
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 7:37pm


Views: 4866
The idea that dwarves take the length of a human lifetime to grow a beard is ridiculous

Fili and Kili are eight decades old. Are we really supposed to think that dwarves go around barefaced until they're 70 or so and then stubble starts to grow in? Heck, I'm not yet 30 and my own modest beard rivals Thorin's.

I refer you to my signature: replace "snouts" with "beards", "rhinoplasted" with "shaved", and "Truffles" with "Jewels" and you have the source itself for why dwarves ought to have full beards regardless of their age.

I'm willing to let it slide in the interests of artistic license and making each character unique, but I hold out hope that PJ invents a good reason in-universe for why some of these blokes have such short beards. All I need is for Bilbo to say something along the lines of: "I thought all dwarves had beards like you, Gandalf." A little wink and a shrug and I'd be satisfied.

"The Naugrim were ever, as they still remain, short and squat in stature; they were deep-breasted, strong in the arm, and stout in the leg, and their snouts were long. Indeed this strangeness they have that no Man nor Elf has ever seen a snoutless Dwarf - unless he were rhinoplasted in mockery, and would then be more like to die of shame than of many other hurts that to us would seem more deadly. For the Naugrim have snouts from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike..." (History of Middle Earth, volume 11, The War of the Truffles, p. 205)


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 7:40pm


Views: 5410
I'm glad that you like the costumes we've seen

I really am. And I like quite a few of them myself. I just don't think they tie into LOTR perfectly. This is, of course, just my opinion and I'm not trying to convert anyone. No amount of out-of-film reasoning is going to change my perception of them as being different, though you're welcome to continue if you want.

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Symbelmine
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 7:41pm


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Awesome pics!

You did a great job, Pipe Dream.
Thanks for sharing with us.


Symbelmine
Rohan


Jul 21 2011, 7:45pm


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Thank you.

Yes, hope we will see more elves next time:)
I really like Galadriel in her new costume.
Can't wait to see Legolas in his new costume,and I'm very curious about Thranduil.


Oin K
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 7:45pm


Views: 5133
Frodo learned it from Bilbo, Bilbo learned it from the dwarves...

... and the dwarves learned it from the hobbits up North? They traveled quite a distance before reaching Bag End. It stands to reason that they stopped and drank with a fair number of folk on the way. Being musically inclined (instruments and all) I'm sure they'd take the opportunity to learn all the local songs they could, and they chose this one to put Bilbo at ease. 'course, this is all baseless speculation on my part, and it could be that Bilbo will be the one teaching it to the dwarves.

"The Naugrim were ever, as they still remain, short and squat in stature; they were deep-breasted, strong in the arm, and stout in the leg, and their snouts were long. Indeed this strangeness they have that no Man nor Elf has ever seen a snoutless Dwarf - unless he were rhinoplasted in mockery, and would then be more like to die of shame than of many other hurts that to us would seem more deadly. For the Naugrim have snouts from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike..." (History of Middle Earth, volume 11, The War of the Truffles, p. 205)


eralkfang
Lorien


Jul 21 2011, 7:46pm


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Hmm…

…what if Kili can't grow a beard? As in, hormone deficiency or a curse or something? No matter how much he tries, the stubble is all he can manage, which makes other dwarves look down on him? ;)

I agree, I'd love an in-canon explanation for shorter beards, especially if it makes for some comic relief involving Freeman. I would also enjoy the dwarves ribbing Kili at every opportunity for being a scrawny and beardless dwarf—I keep having this image of Fili being sent to check something and, to check in with his brother, yells "YOU'RE ADOPTED" back.


Oin K
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 7:51pm


Views: 4878
Aye, but don't forget that Khuzdul was based on Old Norse ...

... or, rather, Old Norse was derived from Khuzdul, as Professor Tolkien would have it. Cool

"The Naugrim were ever, as they still remain, short and squat in stature; they were deep-breasted, strong in the arm, and stout in the leg, and their snouts were long. Indeed this strangeness they have that no Man nor Elf has ever seen a snoutless Dwarf - unless he were rhinoplasted in mockery, and would then be more like to die of shame than of many other hurts that to us would seem more deadly. For the Naugrim have snouts from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike..." (History of Middle Earth, volume 11, The War of the Truffles, p. 205)


DrDeath153
Lorien

Jul 21 2011, 7:51pm


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It's not just you

At the risk of causing another battleground to form, i too have noticed a change in the costumes and not necessarily for the better. Some are superb, but others you can tell straight off the bat are not a continuation of the quality shown in LotR as masterminded by Ngila Dickson (I have great affection for Ngila both as a costume designer and as a person (although i've never met her) she's fantastically straight-talking in the interviews). I respect Ann Maskrey's difference in style but i don't feel she's nearly as clever a designer as Ngila and there are some elements (such as the low hanging belts on the dwarves) that come across as fairly cheap 'tricks' to compensate for areas where the actors' physiques are lacking.

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Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jul 21 2011, 7:52pm


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Thanks!

I was thinking green wasn't really Saruman's color, so I did a quick replacement. Smile



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Oin K
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 7:57pm


Views: 4855
Surely fashions shift in Middle Earth over time

This is, after all, set fifty years prior to what we've seen in LOTR.

"The Naugrim were ever, as they still remain, short and squat in stature; they were deep-breasted, strong in the arm, and stout in the leg, and their snouts were long. Indeed this strangeness they have that no Man nor Elf has ever seen a snoutless Dwarf - unless he were rhinoplasted in mockery, and would then be more like to die of shame than of many other hurts that to us would seem more deadly. For the Naugrim have snouts from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike..." (History of Middle Earth, volume 11, The War of the Truffles, p. 205)


son-of-azog
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Jul 21 2011, 8:03pm


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photograph

At 03:58 theres a photograph attached to one of the mirrors depicting some creature. Can anybody make out what it's supposed to be? Looks a bit to pale for an orc to me...



Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 8:06pm


Views: 4839
Actually I do think the costumes were better in LotR

and that there is a noticeable change in Elven costumes between LotR and Hobbit. I just feel it's too early to get too worried.

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 8:09pm


Views: 4778
Isn't Khuzdul Semitic? Or was it just Adûnaic?

And it doesn't sound anything like Scandinavian languages. :/

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 8:10pm


Views: 4831
Well

Some of them seem like big shifts to me, and more the them are working the wrong way through time (like the switch from a flap closure to a button fly on Bilbo's trousers -- the button fly was a much later invention). Still more of it is about what connects with the world as we know it and the parallels it draws. For instance, the Chinese style coats for the dwarves (that button to one side rather than down the middle). Ngila was careful to keep most of the Asian influence confined to the elves (except for Billbo's paisley scarf -- a gift from Rivendell?). Now, as far as I can recall, we never saw such garments in the LOTR movies, so technically they're fair game. But now in my head we've drawn a similarity between the elves and the dwarves that shouldn't exist. Likewise, the square cloak on Nori's costume, which is evocative of Eowyn's starry mantle.

The rest of it is something I have a hard time putting my finger to. I have become quite close to the details of the LOTR costumes over the years (both physically and emotionally in some cases) and there's a subtlety of design that seems to be missing in these costumes. Maybe I'm just not used to such high-res photos, but the trimmings and detailing all seems very overt, to me.

But of course, it all comes down to what your gut tells you about the costumes. For those that love them, more power to you. I can't always explain why I dislike that thing or this detail, but something about these costumes just doesn't sit right with me.

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Marillë by the Sea
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 8:12pm


Views: 4738
Perhaps they'll enlarge the heads in post-production

Just like they enlarged Mouth of Sauron's mouth by 200%. It does look like the actors have very small heads compared to the bulkiness of their costumes.


Oin K
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 8:14pm


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Whatever the explanation, I really think ...

... we're going to see a major character arc for Kili and his brother, as they start out as brash and naive upstarts, rearing to fight, and then as things get more and more grim they realize what they've gotten into and start to grow up and more into Thorin's esteem so that, by the end of the story they've really come of age and become equals on the battlefield with their uncle.

And then, they all three will go down in a gut-wrenching blaze of glory, to be remembered as great heroes in the annals and songs of the dwarves ever after.

"The Naugrim were ever, as they still remain, short and squat in stature; they were deep-breasted, strong in the arm, and stout in the leg, and their snouts were long. Indeed this strangeness they have that no Man nor Elf has ever seen a snoutless Dwarf - unless he were rhinoplasted in mockery, and would then be more like to die of shame than of many other hurts that to us would seem more deadly. For the Naugrim have snouts from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike..." (History of Middle Earth, volume 11, The War of the Truffles, p. 205)


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 21 2011, 8:17pm


Views: 4783
Yes, I'm very curious about Thranduil

As much as I love the casting of Lee Pace, I'm just slightly worried about how his make-up will turn out. Now they got yet another very dark actor supposed to play a blond Elf, and what they did in LotR didn't always convince me. Especially, his eyebrows. I doubt they're going to dye them, as they didn't dye eyebrows in LotR either.

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 8:20pm


Views: 4780
They did it for the Red Queen in Alice in Wonderland

I just hope they don't take it quite so far in The Hobbit Tongue

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mutelock
Bree

Jul 21 2011, 8:20pm


Views: 4809
Fashion Changes

We do not dress ourselves like we did 60 years ago. Maybe the same happens in Middle Earth?


Marillë by the Sea
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 8:22pm


Views: 4799
Chinese influence?

Could you tell me where you see the Chinese influence you keep mentioning? I'm Chinese and I can't see anything that's Chinese on the dwarves. But then again, you're more learned in these things than I am!

I do agree that from what we've seen thus far, LOTR costumes were better. I wish Ngila Dickson were here Unsure


Eldaria
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 8:25pm


Views: 5916
picture request

Pipe Dream,

Great pictures! Is there any chance that you could give us a better look at the dwarves with their stand-ins? I'd like a better look at Rob Kazinsky's Fili.

Please and Thank you.

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Marillë by the Sea
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 8:25pm


Views: 5790
Even better, thanks!!//

 


Marandhir
Registered User

Jul 21 2011, 8:25pm


Views: 5885
Khuzdul vs Norse vs Semitic

Khuzdul grammar is based on Semitic languages, but Tolkien didn't create a full Khuzdul lexicon. Just bits and phrases.

He was troubled with the Dwarves' names being "plucked out of Voluspá" for this very reason – it sounded very cheap, and didn't fit in with his more proper mythology.

His answer was that the Dwarf names we see, much like the Hobbit names, Gandalf's name, and many Humans (unless they have Elvish-names) are translations of their true names. Just as Frodo Baggins is actually Maura Labingi, Gimli and Thorin and all the dwarf-names are actually translations of in-universe names.

However, the Dwarves take this a step further. The names they give to outsiders aren't Khuzdul names at all, but Mannish names from the northern languages (such as their neighbours around Lake-town). These are then TRANSLATED into Old Norse, which he used to represent them and make them sound foreign but similar to the English he used to represent the Hobbits and the Bree-landers. (Since the Rohirrim are related to these northern Mannish peoples, they speak a related dialect, which is translated then into Anglo-Saxon, since that is more related to Old Norse than the English that the Hobbits and Bree-landers speak, but also related close enough to their language to make sense).


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 8:28pm


Views: 5886
Sure

I think it's most notable in Ori's costume. Compare his jerkin here: http://araneljones.com/...7/hobbitcap3_093.jpg to this Chinese coat from the early 1900s: http://www.culture24.org.uk/.../14893/v0_master.jpg

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dwarf_girl
The Shire

Jul 21 2011, 8:36pm


Views: 5833
Ori, the thinking woman's heartthrob

May I add, more relaxed and with more views of the video on top, that Im gonna love (if I do not yet) Ori. Such a sweet dwarf, and polite, and geeky.
Of course, Thorin is the handsome hero and Kili is the Robbie Williams of the bunch, and I will follow them with enthusiasm, but gentle Ori had win a place in my heart.
And I agree with the guys, "beards are gonna come back, big time!"


Bladerunner
Gondor


Jul 21 2011, 8:38pm


Views: 5827
Perhaps Kili lost a bet in the Ered Luin...

and had to shave his beard as a consequence. He will then be in the process of regrowing his beard while on the journey to Erebor. Perhaps by the end of the second film, Kili will be rocking a full beard once again.


Bladerunner
Gondor


Jul 21 2011, 8:45pm


Views: 5799
Perhaps a Goblin?, or a Hobgoblin?

It doesn't seem to be an Orc. (In the Hobbits story, at least on one occasion Gandalf refers to the three creatures as if they were distinct, so perhaps this is a version of one of the other two).


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marillaraina
Rohan

Jul 21 2011, 8:47pm


Views: 5802
What lifetime? If the average dwarf lives to be 260 or so...

assuming nothing untoward happens to them, with some living up to 350 years, then a 77 year old dwarf is less than a third of the way through their lives lives. Kili is basically basically like the equivalent of 20 to 24 year old.(and it's not like there aren't some human guys who don't "come into their beards" until they are closer to 30, if ever,some always have a patchy, stringy looking beard--so maybe he's a late bloomer? Maybe not every dwarf is blessed with a beautiful beard, seems like looking at some of the other dwarves?)

Or hell maybe he lost it in a stupid, foolish bet? He wouldn't be the first young person to do something stupid.

To me it's a perfectly good reason and imo it's not something that is all that important to the story, either way.

The way I see it, PJ can choose what he wants to use or not use to a certain extent so long as it doesn't really make a major change to the events of the story. Aside from a few wisecracks and the occasional entanglement the beards don't play a big part of the story. They add a bit of "color" to the dwarven culture and they STILL do, imo, just in a different way because now there are likely reasons the dwarves have different styles of facial hair etc.

There is really no necessity for dwarves to be born with beards and, given dwarves are particularly long-lived, I have no problem with the idea that maybe their beards grow slowly, perhaps with growth speeding up as they age.



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Fili and Kili are eight decades old. Are we really supposed to think that dwarves go around barefaced until they're 70 or so and then stubble starts to grow in? Heck, I'm not yet 30 and my own modest beard rivals Thorin's.

I refer you to my signature: replace "snouts" with "beards", "rhinoplasted" with "shaved", and "Truffles" with "Jewels" and you have the source itself for why dwarves ought to have full beards regardless of their age.

I'm willing to let it slide in the interests of artistic license and making each character unique, but I hold out hope that PJ invents a good reason in-universe for why some of these blokes have such short beards. All I need is for Bilbo to say something along the lines of: "I thought all dwarves had beards like you, Gandalf." A little wink and a shrug and I'd be satisfied.



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son-of-azog
Registered User


Jul 21 2011, 8:58pm


Views: 5754
Hmm...

Well, we see the goblins in FotR (which look quite different) and I don't think, they will introduce hobgoblins... Could this be Beorn mid-transformation? ^^ I know it's a stretch, but it's neck and shoulders look quite furry ;)


Darkstone
Immortal


Jul 21 2011, 8:59pm


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There's always an outlier. /

 

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Then I was taken.

Brothers, sisters,
In my torment I kept faith,
And I waited.
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And my soul nothing?

So be it.
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And I am hungry.


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jul 21 2011, 9:02pm


Views: 5750
Here ya' go.









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Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth
Lorien


Jul 21 2011, 9:05pm


Views: 5745
Definitely Rob K

in these stills. Frown I miss him already! Dean O'Gorman is probably the best second choice they could have.

All you have to decide is what to do with the time that has been given to you...


Rosebud
The Shire

Jul 21 2011, 9:12pm


Views: 5655
If that would be the plan, we'd see it already on the publicity photos //

 


Eldaria
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 9:14pm


Views: 5665
Many Thanks!

Those are perfect. Missing Rob. Hope he's well.


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marillaraina
Rohan

Jul 21 2011, 9:16pm


Views: 5633
OMG!

They are so CUTE. All of them. The whole gang of them(and their size doubles) together is just too much. I really do love them all already.

Also, is it just me or do some of those "size doubles" not look all that much shorter than some of the actors? :)

I wonder if Fili's size double here was out of a job when they hired a new Fili?(new actor, new size double?)


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lurtz2010
Rohan

Jul 21 2011, 9:29pm


Views: 5583
Best video ever

This vid was perfect in every way , I've had that image of Christopher Lee as Saruman sitting in a room full of green screen in my head for over a year now... I can't believe PJ just did that.


Ref
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 9:38pm


Views: 5596
Woohoo!

So excited for this. I'm loving the differences between the dwarves and Armitage *bows down* - Leicester Lad done good Smile

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Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Jul 21 2011, 9:46pm


Views: 5843
Okay...It *had* to be done.



I just had to do it! =)

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Alientraveller
Lorien

Jul 21 2011, 9:47pm


Views: 5545
I hope you get to know them as well in time


In Reply To
The rest of it is something I have a hard time putting my finger to. I have become quite close to the details of the LOTR costumes over the years (both physically and emotionally in some cases) and there's a subtlety of design that seems to be missing in these costumes. Maybe I'm just not used to such high-res photos, but the trimmings and detailing all seems very overt, to me.


Afterall, The Hobbit films haven't arrived on Blu-ray, I'm sure you'll be picking the details in time. I think Ann Maskrey is putting a lot of effort into it, just like Dickson.

I do think to myself that the simpler trimmings for the Dwarves is justifiable as they are smaller than Men and Elves, although I have to admit Elrond's purple costume is rather fruity.

Now I haven't had a chance to comment on this wonderful, wonderful video, as so many of my comments would be redundant in this thread, but one thing I don't think many have commented on is how much more Dwarvish the actors look on camera, definitely their proportions and the way their training to lower their centre of gravity has paid off.


Elfhelm
The Shire

Jul 21 2011, 9:48pm


Views: 5611
Good stuff, but I hate the axe in Bifur's head is true after all. =(

And just after I was convinced someone was only messing with the promo pic(s). Really makes you wonder about the point of the edited second photo... I fear his scenes will be quite jarring and distracting because of the ridiculous axe sticking out of his forehead. Oh well. Crazy

Other than that, pretty much everything looks great. Very nice to see the camaraderie and chemistry between the actors, the little snippets of actual scenes, Cate just stunningly beautiful as Galadriel, etc. It's very generous of PJ and crew to be showing us all this stuff, I mean what other film has done/does anything similar? Not that I have followed the production of any other movie like this, and of course the scale and length of the shoot of these movies makes The Hobbit kind of a special case. Anyway, it's much appreciated, so thanks to the production for sharing a bit of the journey with us!


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Jul 21 2011, 9:51pm


Views: 5582
*mods up*

I am so making one of those hoods just as soon as I can figure out the pattern.

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Mythopoeia
Bree

Jul 21 2011, 9:55pm


Views: 5599
THANK YOU.

This needs to be a poster I can mount on my wall. You should put a little pic of Pippin modeling his scarf in the corner, hahaha :D


pacochoa
Bree

Jul 21 2011, 10:13pm


Views: 5579
Balin's double to tall?

Did anyone else notice that balins double looks too tall relative to the other doubles? He should be the shortest dwarf double and does not appear to be so.


duats
Grey Havens

Jul 21 2011, 10:30pm


Views: 5617
Curious

In the third picture, it looks like they did, in fact, do something to Armitage's nose. Looking at photos of Armitage from a side profile, it seems the "beak" quality has been pronounced somewhat.

Also, while I was thrilled to bits to see Lee at the end, I also can't help but feel a bit bad for him. I'm assuming he'll be acting out his part alone, going by the green screens.


(This post was edited by duats on Jul 21 2011, 10:33pm)


Hengist
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 21 2011, 11:25pm


Views: 5399
Oh that was good

Nice to see see the dwarves, they certainly look good, even kili looked a bit better.

The end with Christopher Lee was perfect

Oh and whilst I will happily admit I have no real knowledge of costumes or clothing I thought Cate looked great ( a wistful sigh should be imagined here Wink)


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sueb1863
Rivendell


Jul 21 2011, 11:34pm


Views: 5173
Dean or Rob?

How much of Dean O'Gorman as Fili did we see in there? I think that was him when they first said 'Fili' but I can't tell which shots are Rob Kazinsky and which ones are Dean.

Are they going to have to reshoot the Bag End material due to the replacement, or did that happen before they started filming?


Rivorwen
The Shire

Jul 22 2011, 12:50am


Views: 5138
maybe if Thorin is their legal guardian and the boys have nowhere else to stay

They may go with the explaination that Dis and her husband are dead. I see Fili and Kili as too young and awkward to be on the quest and being brought along because their uncle doesn't know what else to do with them, especially since Gimli is older than Fili and Kili and is made to stay home.


Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Jul 22 2011, 1:05am


Views: 5054
looking at the last picture

on the very right, at the scale double

looks like someone didn't stop by the make-up department yet Wink
(or already stopped back in to have it taken off)


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hamlet
Rivendell


Jul 22 2011, 1:21am


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love bombur

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Proudfoot
The Shire


Jul 22 2011, 1:58am


Views: 5165
We don't know where this falls in the movie, so -

Any chance Bilbo teaches it to the dwarves on the road?

I agree, it does have a 'hobbity' feel about it.


duats
Grey Havens

Jul 22 2011, 2:01am


Views: 5058
Kili's nose

Look at Kili's nose during JRD's set visit (Specifically, pause it at 11:39). His nose looks a lot longer and pointier than Turner's real nose.


dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 22 2011, 2:24am


Views: 5066
*gives another mods up*

This is simply - brilliant!

I wonder if his weapons include knitting needles? Or if he spins a good yarn?

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Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Jul 22 2011, 2:35am


Views: 4999
Thunderous applause!!!

That has to be one of the funniest, most original things I've see in an Ent's Age. How *did* you do that? It looks authentic.

Well done! Smile


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marillaraina
Rohan

Jul 22 2011, 4:12am


Views: 4957
I agree


In Reply To
Did anyone else notice that balins double looks too tall relative to the other doubles? He should be the shortest dwarf double and does not appear to be so.


You would think they'd try to get size doubles that were approximately the same relative size. For example Dori's actor is clearly shorter than some of the other actorst, yet his double appears to be among the taller ones. Kili is clearly taller than Dori and Ori, yet his size double is the same size. Even the "old Fili" seems to be, like Kili, among the taller actors, yet it looks like his size double is rather on the small side. (BTW, did we ever find out the real story behind why Rob Krazinsky left/was let go?)

But I guess it's hard to find a double who fits all the various requirements and maybe the height thing really matters less than of the other requirements in terms of how hard/easy it would be cover up.

Re: Kili's nose - it always looked to me like he had a bit of business done to the end of his nose, it was just somehow different. Same with Armitage's nose.


(This post was edited by marillaraina on Jul 22 2011, 4:15am)


marillaraina
Rohan

Jul 22 2011, 4:27am


Views: 4950
Oh forgot to ask

This might be a pointless question but why is Mark Hadlow(?) wearing a pilot's uniform during the interviews?


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jul 22 2011, 10:15am


Views: 4937
LT Mark Hadlow, RNZNVR, HMNZS PEGASUS

http://www.navy.mil.nz/...s/peg-anzac-2010.htm


(The Royal New Zealand Naval Volunteer Reserve, Her Majesty's New Zealand Ship PEGASUS)

So...he's a reservist.

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.

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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jul 22 2011, 10:34am


Views: 4845
I always thought

Peter would make a GREAT Bilbo... especially after seeing him play the part when they were building the original Bag End set for LotR.

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Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jul 22 2011, 10:53am


Views: 4933
Martin



"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.


Sharky
Bree


Jul 22 2011, 10:53am


Views: 4843
That was great!

Wonderful, especially seeing Mr. Lee at the end.. you're full of surprizes, Master Jackson! Wink

And here we find you, feasting and... smoking!


Patty
Immortal


Jul 22 2011, 11:07am


Views: 4830
Best laugh of the day! Thanks EoPW...

your knitting jokes never grow stale. I don't know how you find them! (or make them). LaughHeart

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Patty
Immortal


Jul 22 2011, 11:14am


Views: 4953
and Pipe Dream, could we get a capture of about

10:32 where the dwarves are all seated at the table, food fights, and just before Bofur falls backwards? These are great shots.

Thank you!

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Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jul 22 2011, 11:21am


Views: 4960
Bifur's buddy...



It looks like the middle image was from a test make-up, it's a different head appliance and in a different position.

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.

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Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 22 2011, 12:13pm


Views: 4832
That is pretty much... brilliant B-)

This is something we could run with for all of the Dwarves Cool



Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jul 22 2011, 12:48pm


Views: 4832
Sure! Table for 13 please...





"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 22 2011, 1:00pm


Views: 4848
Yeah. Definitely a screen-test.

His final look has a much smaller piece of metal in his head, and his beard and nose are completely different.

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QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jul 22 2011, 1:35pm


Views: 4872
More songs/verse/poems...

From memory...

Gandalf & Bilbo sing "the Road Goes Ever On and On"

Merry & Pippin sing a song in Green Dragon

Gandalf recites "One Ring to Rule them All"

Wood elves sing "O Elbereth, Gilthoniel"

Aragorn sings "Lay of Luthien"

Elves sing "Lement to Gandalf"

Sam recites "Finest fireworks ever seen"

Treebeard recites Tom Bombadil song "go to sleep"

Gollum sings fish song in forbidden pool

Treebeard recites 2 ancient poems "Come back to me"

Eowyn sings at Theodred's funeral

Theoden recites "Where is the horse and the rider"

Merry & Pippin sing "Green Dragon Song" in Meduseld

Arwen recites "Riddle of Strider"

Pippin sings to Denethor

Gollum sings "Poor little fly"

Arwen sings over Houses of Healing scene

Aragorn sings after being crowned

I'm sure I've forgotten one or two?


Patty
Immortal


Jul 22 2011, 1:51pm


Views: 4949
Pipe Dream, I can't thank you enough!

These and the Rivendell scenes are my favorites so far (other than the wonderful Christopher Lee!) You're a dear for giving me these pics...they will be desktop wallpapers and I'll also make them into puzzles.Heart

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RoseCotton
Lorien


Jul 22 2011, 1:53pm


Views: 4940
It's seems so unlike PJ...

... not to see the initial version of something, then to send it back and ask for it to be BIGGER! Wink


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 22 2011, 1:57pm


Views: 4835
Wow! Thanks for this.

Did you know if you stare at this picture of Saruman long enough, it begins to drain your soul?

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
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Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 22 2011, 2:00pm


Views: 4823
I can't help but notice...

...some of the dwarves here look like earlier, initial designs, rather than final filming stage designs. Just little details here and there appear to be different. Thorin and Kili definitely look a bit different.

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hanne
Lorien

Jul 22 2011, 2:05pm


Views: 4524
Utterly awesome!!

That was brilliant! Hilarious coverlines and I love "the Oricle". Made of win.


hanne
Lorien

Jul 22 2011, 2:06pm


Views: 4680
the troll fight scene?

Please? And thanks a million for the shots you've put up already; they are fab!


hanne
Lorien

Jul 22 2011, 2:35pm


Views: 4472
the prosthetic fingers

At around 03:43 Peter Jackson and Bifur(?) are standing next to each other both with their hands raised and you can see Bifur's hand is about twice the size of Peter's. And of the crew member standing behind him.


chrismortega
Bree


Jul 22 2011, 3:49pm


Views: 4565
Wonder if they'll 'Blue Anakin' Freeman in to LOTR

Who thinks they'll go back and cut in scenes of The Hobbit in to Fellowship later on when they release the final ULTIMATE edition? Personally I'd prefer it.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 22 2011, 3:54pm


Views: 4402
I hope not.//

 

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sphdle1
Gondor


Jul 22 2011, 4:19pm


Views: 4443
PJ is a funny guy

Love the way he tells us where they are shooting and basically who/why they are there.

sphdle1

"You shall not pass!"


Bladerunner
Gondor


Jul 22 2011, 4:51pm


Views: 4387
Hmm, I hadn't considered that...

I hope not, because now that you've brought up that possibility, my concern is that instead of having him transform between man and bear, the filmmakers have decided that the character would be in some kind of permanent half-man/half-beast state. So that the image is how he would normally look all the time and not as he would look in the middle of his transformation. Again, I hope that this is not the case at all.


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jul 22 2011, 5:11pm


Views: 4515
No good roasting 'em now, it’d take all night









Hummm, lot's of stuff to see. I like Thorin's sword, it almost looks like Conan the Barbarian's, but larger. I can see why Armitage said he was getting tired.

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.

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namarie
Rohan


Jul 22 2011, 5:21pm


Views: 4381
Then I guess the line

"But if you like knitted cardigans and knitted mittens, then I'm your fella! "

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marillaraina
Rohan

Jul 22 2011, 5:55pm


Views: 4415
That's awesome!

Good for him, that's cool.


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http://www.navy.mil.nz/...s/peg-anzac-2010.htm


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So...he's a reservist.



hanne
Lorien

Jul 22 2011, 7:22pm


Views: 4405
thanks!!!!

You rock! Thank you.

I can see a hobbit-sized cooking pot in that first shot :)

And whoever wields the mattock looks like he's using the flat end on the troll instead of the pointy end.


Gandalf'sMother
Rohan

Jul 22 2011, 10:04pm


Views: 4301
What's the point?

 


Gandalf'sMother
Rohan

Jul 22 2011, 10:08pm


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Question

Why should dwarves all be the exact same size? Not sure I follow your logic.


duats
Grey Havens

Jul 22 2011, 10:10pm


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I thought

Bilbo wore a red vest with brass buttons?

Great likeness to Holm, but the costume is a pretty big departure from what we saw in the Prologue.

Not to say I hate it, mind you. Quite the opposite.


RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 22 2011, 10:14pm


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I think what marillaraina means is...

...that if Balin is 30% shorter than Thorin, then Balin's body double should also be 30% shorter than Thorin's body double.

If you look at the photo, it appears that Balin's double is almost as tall as Balin is.



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Kyriel
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 22 2011, 10:37pm


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"craniaxe" really needs to become an official TORNism! //

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Those left standing will make millions writing books on the way it should have been. --Incubus


chrismortega
Bree


Jul 22 2011, 11:13pm


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The point is

continuity. Freeman is young Bilbo, Holm is old. or did you mean to ask why it matters? Just a matter of preference I suppose.

"It was deliberate, it was deliberate..."


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jul 23 2011, 12:07am


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I thought you were going to define "marillaraina" //

 


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 23 2011, 12:12am


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It is painting the mustache on the Mona Lisa.//

 

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Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jul 23 2011, 12:13am


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Presto Change-o!


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Bilbo wore a red vest with brass buttons? Great likeness to Holm, but the costume is a pretty big departure from what we saw in the Prologue. Not to say I hate it, mind you. Quite the opposite.

I'm 100% convinced they changed Bilbo's costume from LOTR because of blue/green reasons. Plaid coats and chromakey are not the best of friends. Too bad, it was a better costume, but what can ya' do?

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.


Bladerunner
Gondor


Jul 23 2011, 12:17am


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After further consideration..

Your guess, regarding that it could be a photo of Beorn in mid-transformation, may be on the mark.
I did a little research on-line and came across the following (unattributed) statement in Wikipedia that "Comments made by Weta workshop indicate that in the adaptation, Beorn's transformation from man to bear will be a major special effects sequence." So perhaps that really is an image of Beorn in mid-transformation.


duats
Grey Havens

Jul 23 2011, 12:21am


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I hope it's not Beorn

While I fully support the idea of using some practical effects in Beorn's transformation, this creature does not have black hair. Beorn has black hair and a black beard. He transforms into a black bear.

They HAVE to get that right. Tolkien couldn't have been more clear if he tried.


chrismortega
Bree


Jul 23 2011, 1:05am


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I disagree

I would hardly call it a goofy mustache on the otherwise clean face of the LOTR trilogy to insert the man Pete chose to play young Bilbo as the character of young Bilbo.

"It was deliberate, it was deliberate..."

(This post was edited by chrismortega on Jul 23 2011, 1:07am)


hutch
Rohan


Jul 23 2011, 1:24am


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i'm 30

and i cant even grow a mustache, so that aint sayin' much.


hutch
Rohan


Jul 23 2011, 1:26am


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i dont know jack about fashion

so i'm not too bothered. i dont watch tv so most of the actors in the films are new to me. ignorance is bliss. Cool


hutch
Rohan


Jul 23 2011, 1:29am


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they should be better in LOTR

by then they've had 60 years of experience to advance fashion and design...i guess...


(This post was edited by hutch on Jul 23 2011, 1:36am)


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jul 23 2011, 2:44am


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The colour might be off in the

reproduction. We're looking at an enlarged grab on a computer monitor of video of an image that was probably a quick and dirty enlargement of a polaroid itself.

It does remind me of the creature from American Werewolf in London, mid transformation though.


(This post was edited by SirDennisC on Jul 23 2011, 2:46am)


taekotemple
Grey Havens


Jul 23 2011, 5:13am


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Happy Birthday!

I hope you are doing well and had a great day! Smile

“Tell me one last thing,” said Harry. “Is this real? Or has this been happening inside my head?”
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?”


taekotemple
Grey Havens


Jul 23 2011, 5:17am


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I massively agree with you here:


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they better put these things on the DVD.


I was thinking the exact same thing!

“Tell me one last thing,” said Harry. “Is this real? Or has this been happening inside my head?”
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?”


nenyacaster
Bree


Jul 25 2011, 11:46pm


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elven clothes; lothlorien

I doubt that the elves have immortal clothes (i.e. they last forever, longer than 60 years and are strain-resistant, flame-retardant, don't develop holes or accumulate dirt, discolor, etc.) so it makes sense to me that they would need different clothes anyway, and probably don't wear the same outfit every day regardless; so we didn't see their full LOTR wardrobes anyway. I loved Galadriel's headband, and I'm glad they didn't just rummage through the LOTR wardrobe.

Anyway, if Galadriel is in Rivendell, then that makes me wonder if we will see Lothlorien at all? And it also seems like they've already filmed at least some of the scenes where Liv Tyler could have had a cameo, so maybe it won't happen now. I like the dwarves much more in person than I did in the images that were released; they seem softer and more likeable.


(This post was edited by nenyacaster on Jul 25 2011, 11:49pm)


silneldor
Half-elven


Jul 26 2011, 1:52am


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I really enjoyed

and laughed robustly through the video. Getting the dwarves 'in action' (as per above mention) and seeing a hint of some character references was fun.

Peter is terribly funny and part of that is realizing he is so egoless.

Hints of the music set me off as well.

The dwarves i mostly liked, but i'd swear there was some 'mixed breeding' going on, (following suit from Homo Sapien/ Neanderthal happening) for i see human, elven and ClingonShocked characteristics among them ha!.

''Sam put his ragged orc-cloak under his master's head, and covered them both with the grey robe of Lorien; and as he did so his thoughts went out to that fair land, and to the Elves, and he hoped that the cloth woven by their hands might have some virtue to keep them hidden beyond all hope in this wilderness of fear...But their luck held, and for the rest of that day they met no living or moving thing; and when night fell they vanished into the darkess of Mordor.'' - - -rotk, chapter III

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In the air, among the clouds in the sky
Here is where the birds of Manwe fly
Looking at the land, and the water that flows
The true beauty of earth shows
With the stars of Varda lighting my way
In all the realms this is where I stay
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Niniel Valinor
Rivendell


Aug 7 2011, 10:01pm


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Finally!

I've been looking for any place the 3rd production video was being discussed but never found it! Until now!!! Yey!
So here I come far too late lol

- Mark Hadlow is hilarious! Well most of the dwarf actors seem very funny and getting along perfectly. I love that! Makes me giddy and reminds me of all the behind the scenes clips from LotR!

- I prefer Dean's Fili over Rob's Fili I have to say. I know Rob is about the same age as Aidan (Kili) and Dean's seven years older, but I think Dean goes along better with the brother. I think Rob's Fili looks way older actually. Makes me wonder if they indeed had intended as Fili as the oldest all along.

- Speaking of Fili - does Dean have that mischivious smile ALL the time? It's awesome Sly

- You guys are breaking my heart with all your theories about Kili and his lack of beard. That the other dwarves will tease him and he'll have to prove himself and then... that ending... oh gosh Peter Jackson is going to break our hearts in 2013! I just know! Frown

- Still not digging Nori. Very dissapointing because Jed's awesome.

- Ori (Brown) is freaking adorable! I love him! He looks so awkward yet very cute and polite lol

- Ian McKellen is awesome as always. A legend! It's his kind face that makes him perfect as Gandalf!

- People keep saying Kili looks so human, but I thought Thorin looked full on human warrior when he screams "We have to move now!" Awesome though. I personally love both characters despite having less beard.

- Cate!!!!!!!! Heart

- And Martin isn't much in it, but gosh I think he's perfect! He reminds me so much of Pippin!

- Next time I really just hope to see anything with Kili and Fili in the same frame! lol


(This post was edited by Niniel Valinor on Aug 7 2011, 10:02pm)