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Frame by Frame: Production Video Number 2



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spymaster@theonering.net

Jul 9 2011, 12:25pm


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Frame by Frame: Production Video Number 2

With Peter Jackson's release of the second production video from The Hobbit on Facebook, we found ourselves with a lot of new visuals from the upcoming films. Among the highlights are Hugo Weaving as Elrond, a peek at Legolas's costuming, Goblin-town and more! We are taking a look at each picture individually and have offered our comments and suggestions. Like you, we are purely speculating! Each pic has a number associated with it, and you can click on it for the super high res version. We'd love to hear your thoughts and opinions - just comment on this post, on Facebook and in our Forums! Reference the number when you comment, as we plan on updating this post with your thoughts as well. Oh yea, there be SPOILERS ahead!

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1. Image 01 - Wrap of Filming



Shooting wraps on the first 54 days of filming. Peter Jackson with the first unit on the left, in what looks to be a set for Goblintown. Andy Serkis with the second unit on the right, also on a set that looks like Goblin-town.

2. Image 02 - Wrap of Filming



Just another look at the suspected Goblin-town sets. The set design implies evil - pointy objects, skulls, some kind of caged animal.

3. Image 03 - Andy on Goblin-town Set?



Larger view of the suspected Goblin-town set. Second unit directory Andy Serkis announcing the wrap of the first phase of filming.

4. Image 04 - Peter at Bilbo's Desk in Bag End



A wonderful shot of Peter Jackson at Bilbo's desk in Bag End, Hobbiton. Check out the high res for all the little details!

5. Image 05 - Peter and Andy at Bilbo's Desk in Bag End



Andy joins Peter in the Bag End set. Love the hair-do and beard Andy!

6. Image 06 - PJ and Andy are shown to be in a very small Bag End set



Notice the screen caps on the right? Sure looks to us like screen caps from The Fellowship of the Ring for reference.

7. Image 07- Martin Freeman and Andy Serkis in Gollum's Cave



A great peek at the Gollum's Cave set. Andy is sneaking towards Bilbo as they play Riddles in the Dark.

8. Image 08 - Andy Serkis as Gollum in Motion Capture



Andy Serkis playing Gollum on the Gollum Cave set. He completed most of his filming before taking over as Second Unit director.

9. Image 09 - Woodland Location



This appears to be some type of wooded scene. Based on the actor in the motion capture suit, this could be the stone roll sequence? The monitors seem to show a campground type layout.

10-11. Images 10 & 11 - Woodland Scene Part 2



We see what looks to be bags/gear that would be carried by Dwarves here. This could be a sister shot to the one previous, or it could be the campground near the entrance to Goblin-town.

12. Image 12 - Hugo Weaving as Elrond and Martin Freeman as Bilbo Baggins in Rivendell



One of the most exciting shots from this video...here we see Hugo Weaving as Elrond and Martin Freeman as Bilbo Baggins. Unless there are some significant changes to the story, this is in Rivendell.

13. Image 13 - Bilbo and Elrond in Rivendell



A view from the back as Elrond and Bilbo take direction from PJ.

14. Image 14 - Andy Serkis Motion Capture



A view behind the scenes as we see a close-up on Gollum aka Andy Serkis

15. Image 15 - More Goblin-town?



Peter Jackson wearing the '200 Days to Go' shirt (soon to be an Ebay hot item!) on the set of Goblin-town?

16. Image 16 - More filming in Goblin-town?



Possibly more of Goblin-town

17. Image 17 - And once more...Goblin-town?



The crew anxiously awaiting wrap on the first phase of filming. Probably another Goblin-town set.

18. Image 18 - Ann Maskrey with Legolas Costume Sketches and more...



In the background we can see a few new costume designs for Orlando Bloom as Legolas, as well as various buttons, decorations, buckles, etc. Most of them look dwarvish.

19. Image 19 - Tami Lane with Orc/Goblin in Background



Check out the image posted on the mirror. Looks like a fighting Uruk-hai, but could possibly be photo reference for the 'new' Goblins? Or are they Orcs? Come to think of it...will we get 'Orc-town' now? Hrm....

20. Image 20 - Peter King with Dwarven Beards



Peter King with various Dwarven beards and prosthetics in the background.

21. Image 21 - PJ Reviewing Footage



While its rather blurry, the scene on the monitor seems to be a camp/woodland type scene. Possibly the final footage from the scenes we saw earlier.

22. Image 22 - Bilbo walking around...



We can definitely see Martin Freeman as Bilbo on the screen, but are unsure of the character that appears on the 'bridge' type element in the background. Maybe he is sneaking around Goblin-town? Or Mirkwood? Or possibly Lake-town? Your guess is as good as ours!

23. Image 23 - The All-Stars



We've got a lot of folks in this shot including Alan Lee (left) and John Howe (right). We see a lot of concept sketches on the walls and table. You'll also notice the set mock-ups in the foreground are similar to what we saw in the footage above. What do you think we see? Is that the Lonely Mountain above¬ Dan Hennah's head?

24. Image 24 - Richard Taylor shows some Cool Stuff!



There is a lot to take in with this picture as well. Along the back wall we see a Goblin head? Near Richard Taylor's right shoulder it looks like a headless Troll maquette?

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We hope you enjoyed this look at the images from PJ's production video. If you have comments or suggestions, please do not hesitate to leave them in our comments or on Facebook or in our forums! We'll be updating this post pretty often with your thoughts as they come in.

(This post was edited by Silverlode on Jul 9 2011, 7:07pm)


Bombadil
Half-elven


Jul 9 2011, 6:07pm


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I'm clicking on Each and am NOT getting a HighRES image?

Maybe tweak your HTML...since it's not working? xoxoxOB


Morok Cloudkeeper
Rohan


Jul 9 2011, 6:24pm


Views: 3694
Scroll down

You need to scroll down and click on the bigger photos for high-res images.

Power can be held in the smallest of things...



Morok Cloudkeeper
Rohan


Jul 9 2011, 6:32pm


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Image 14

Does anyone know on Image 14 what this high-tech equipment with red buttons is used for? I'm quite interested. Hehe,and Andy's face in this photo.Smile

Power can be held in the smallest of things...



(This post was edited by Legos on Jul 9 2011, 6:34pm)


R11
Lorien

Jul 9 2011, 6:45pm


Views: 3675
Nothing

Clickable anywhere for me either...


ron


Morok Cloudkeeper
Rohan


Jul 9 2011, 6:52pm


Views: 3646
Open up another tab

Open up another tab then click continue reading on the topic and then scroll down all the way to the bottom to see the bigger photos.

Power can be held in the smallest of things...



PattyJB
Rivendell


Jul 9 2011, 6:54pm


Views: 3650
Clickable links are on ToRN homepage article

There are no links to the pictures in the post, but if you go here: http://www.theonering.net/...number-2/#more-45874 and scroll down to the bottom of the article, there are pics there you can click on for the hi-res versions.


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 9 2011, 6:56pm


Views: 3659
Their gallery link didn't work.

Give me a few minutes to play with the formatting and see if I can get some clickable links working.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


Bombadil
Half-elven


Jul 9 2011, 6:57pm


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RED is the Opposite Color.... of Green, so my thought is it is a...

Distancing referenceing that is needed for the 3D techies in their Montiors....

just like Andy's Mo-Cap with the White Dots all over his Body.
3D tweaks on the scenery later as they Edit...
to make is accurate.
Cinema History is something to see in See-imas soon, and
we TORNians get to be,
IN on it,
WAY Beyond Awesome!. xoxoOB


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 9 2011, 7:08pm


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Done. Click on each photo title to see the full-screen version. //

 

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


Morok Cloudkeeper
Rohan


Jul 9 2011, 7:19pm


Views: 3652
Image 17

What could possibly be in that cage in image 17? A large bird maybe? Or one of Smeagol's relatives?

Power can be held in the smallest of things...



Bombadil
Half-elven


Jul 9 2011, 7:24pm


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Silverload Thank you since I didn't want to go Our Home page and then Jump..

Back the to Forums to comment...You Rock!

"It's Working" (Merry)..."I know it's workding" (Pippen) xoxoOB


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 9 2011, 7:24pm


Views: 3705
Goblin-town or Dol Guldur?

I'm not convinced that all these sets are Goblin-town. We've got lots of roots going in all directions, which you wouldn't expect to see deep under the mountain. Also Sylvester McCoy was filming in this block, which means that they likely have been shooting some scenes at Rhosgobel or Dol Guldur. Some of those shots look more to me like Dol Guldur, which may have the look of a fortress being reclaimed by the forest.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories

(This post was edited by Silverlode on Jul 9 2011, 7:26pm)


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jul 9 2011, 7:26pm


Views: 3678
Pony

I've gone through the scene many times, i'm pretty sure that in the back is a pony or a horse.


Quote
22. Image 22 - Bilbo walking around...



We can definitely see Martin Freeman as Bilbo on the screen, but are unsure of the character that appears on the 'bridge' type element in the background. Maybe he is sneaking around Goblin-town? Or Mirkwood? Or possibly Lake-town? Your guess is as good as ours!



Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 9 2011, 7:30pm


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I think you're right.

There also seems to be some greenery on the right side of the shot, so I'm thinking a camp scene.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


duats
Grey Havens

Jul 9 2011, 7:32pm


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Look at the photo with Richard Taylor

There are quite a few goodies in there.

In the background, you can see a bunch of maquettes up on the shelf. I think I spy a warg, possibly Beorn's bear form, and a character wielding a mace.

Also, right behind Taylor on the table, could that be a maquette of The Great Goblin?


Bombadil
Half-elven


Jul 9 2011, 7:35pm


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Silverloade is Right, if Silvester McCoy has been there for some time....

he wouldn't have been in NZ........just studying his lines?

The sets of GoblinTown & DolGuldur could easily be reassembled & Lit differently, & Even Color-Graded? to NOT look like the Same Poly-styreen...
and I wouldn't call THAT? Aaaaaa....BUDGET-CUT
...it's what they do all the TIME!
AS we saw LATER in the Video Bog...concerns on the Location Scouting,
much was made
about HOW to get people into Shots
the most Efficiently as possible
.....I see this all the time
in our Theatres here in Denver, Colorado
xoxoOB


(This post was edited by Bombadil on Jul 9 2011, 7:37pm)


Bombadil
Half-elven


Jul 9 2011, 7:47pm


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Don't you Groovey Guys and Gals ever use " Zoomed View" in your Browser?

I TOOK that picture to 400% and THEN Plus keyed (+) it... agian...OPINION only...I think it a Test-Shot of the Trolls or maybe Bilbo's Test Shot with the Biggest Spider. It doesn't look like a Pony? at 800%...Just saying...xoxoOB


TheRealBeren
Rivendell

Jul 9 2011, 7:51pm


Views: 3655
Image 23

Above, on the wall:"CITY OF DALE" and "FIVE ARMIES"?


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jul 9 2011, 7:59pm


Views: 3595
Zooming only makes the picture blurier...

Again, i'm pretty sure i can make out the horse, its mane, its muzzle. Bilbo reacts to it as if he wanted to say "quiet!" or maybe he got startled by it. Then he looks up to the right, is there something in the trees perhaps, or a big troll?


namarie
Rohan


Jul 9 2011, 8:06pm


Views: 3613
yes I thought so too

When I looked at the video I thought those sets were for Dol Guldur.
They resemble a drawing that Peter was looking at, in the first video blog, (a drawing in pencil with some ruins and there was a human form on the drawing- The Necromancer or The Which King) and probably was a drawing of Dol Guldur.

I didn't saw Sylvester McCoy on the set I have to watch the video again :)


There is always hope


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 9 2011, 8:07pm


Views: 3587
I wasn't talking about the center mass.

But behind Bilbo you can see a horse's neck facing right, with his head mostly obscured behind Bilbo's head. The center part doesn't look so much like ponies to me, although it could be two, side by side facing the camera. Or it might be something else. But there's definitely a pony in the background.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


chrismortega
Bree


Jul 9 2011, 8:08pm


Views: 3589
Looks like a pony and two dwarves to me

I just watched it again. In the video you can very clearly see that it is a pony. And there seem to be two characters standing next to it. One looks like he might be fiddling with gear on the pony's back. When he turns you can make out what looks like axes on his back, although that could just be what I want to see. So yeah, to me it looks like a pony and two dwarves. But why Bilbo would be sneaking around behind them I don't know.

"It was deliberate, it was deliberate..."


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 9 2011, 8:10pm


Views: 3626
Sylvester McCoy

wasn't shown on set, but he was in the "what are you going to do over the break?" segment, which means he's been there working.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


namarie
Rohan


Jul 9 2011, 8:18pm


Views: 3569
ah ok, thanks

Initially I interpreted wrong


Quote
Also Sylvester McCoy was filming in this block



Now I know what you meant :)



There is always hope


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jul 9 2011, 8:20pm


Views: 802
I see at least 3 ponies...

The one partially obscured by Bilbo on the right, the one in the center and at least another one left to that one.


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Jul 9 2011, 9:08pm


Views: 774
To those who put this together, you *rock*!

Thanks for giving us a chance to have a good old look at scenes in the video!

I get the feeling that PJ staged the backgrounds deliberately to give fans a lot of things to pick over, such as the FOTR screencaps in image 6. Good on you, Sir PJ.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Patty
Immortal


Jul 9 2011, 9:10pm


Views: 785
"I get the feeling that PJ staged the backgrounds deliberately to give fans a lot of things to pick over, such as the FOTR screencaps in image 6"

I wouldn't be at all surprised. Quite apart from his prowess as a director, he seems to be a neat guy with respect for his fans, whom he seems to enjoy.

Permanent address: Into the West





AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Jul 9 2011, 9:23pm


Views: 784
Agreed. I too thought the roots suggested Mirkwood Forest more than Misty Mountain Cave.

I could be wrong of course. But my thoughts mirrored yours, and I was thinking of posting about it. But you beat me to it. Lol. There are roots and the beginnings of trees wrapped around some of those Pillars, and there seem to be leaves along the ground. I wouldn't expect much leaf detritus deep in a mountain cavern. Your comments about Sylvester only add probability to our suspiscion.

In Reply To
I'm not convinced that all these sets are Goblin-town. We've got lots of roots going in all directions, which you wouldn't expect to see deep under the mountain. Also Sylvester McCoy was filming in this block, which means that they likely have been shooting some scenes at Rhosgobel or Dol Guldur. Some of those shots look more to me like Dol Guldur, which may have the look of a fortress being reclaimed by the forest.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Dwimbruk
The Shire

Jul 9 2011, 9:42pm


Views: 801
Scene with Bilbo & Elrond

Ok, I'm probably being dumb here, but how do they do that? I thought they used clever photography techniques to make people taller and shorter, but Hugo Weaving seems over twice as tall as Martin Freeman, when obviously he isn't, and we see the front and back view ??!? Is Hugo Weaving on stilts, or what?


(This post was edited by Dwimbruk on Jul 9 2011, 9:43pm)


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jul 9 2011, 9:44pm


Views: 755
I guess...

Bilbo is on his knees and Elrond stands on a box.


dormouse
Half-elven

Jul 9 2011, 9:47pm


Views: 788
Bilbo's desk in 04 and 05....

... looks as if it's set up as it is in 'Concerning Hobbits' at the beginning of 'Fellowship'. It has a matching vase of flowers and looks quite cluttered. When Frodo sits there at the end of 'Return' the flowers are different and it all looks tidier. Does that give any hints about the 'framing device'?


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 9 2011, 9:48pm


Views: 760
I've heard that Weta

has invented a device that can actually shrink people temporarily. It is going to come in real handy with this 3-D shoot.Evil

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Patty
Immortal


Jul 9 2011, 9:50pm


Views: 738
Hats off to you screen shot detectives.

We'll have to go back when the movies are out to find out how good you were, but it all sounds plausible to me.Smile

Permanent address: Into the West





kore mo te kore
Registered User

Jul 9 2011, 9:54pm


Views: 755
Dol Guldur and locations...

A fair point - the woods + heavy Morgul architecture is suggestive of this.

In the second half of the video about location scouting I >still< think they should use Mt. Taranaki.... It's a classic lonely mountain!


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 9 2011, 9:55pm


Views: 713
"Honey, I shrunk the Hobbit?" //

 

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


Dwimbruk
The Shire

Jul 9 2011, 9:56pm


Views: 765
Really not convinced about Bilbo's ears...

In the scene with Elrond they make him look like some sort of pixie. In LotR, although they were prosthetic, most hobbit ears were covered with their hair most of the time so they hardly noticed.
Here Bilbo looks like he'll start doing some silly fairy dance any second...


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 9 2011, 9:59pm


Views: 714
Gimli has more in common with the Elves than he thinks... ;-D //


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Elrond stands on a box



Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories

(This post was edited by Silverlode on Jul 9 2011, 10:02pm)


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 9 2011, 10:00pm


Views: 732
Wait

till he joins the Drarve's cult and gets his starfish dreds later in the second movie.Angelic


Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jul 9 2011, 10:03pm


Views: 695
I see what you did there. :) //

 


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jul 9 2011, 10:07pm


Views: 722
Agree about the ears.

They are my pet peeve. Wink

Why not cover them with hair like in LOTR? Unsure


In Reply To
In the scene with Elrond they make him look like some sort of pixie. In LotR, although they were prosthetic, most hobbit ears were covered with their hair most of the time so they hardly noticed.



(This post was edited by Estel78 on Jul 9 2011, 10:08pm)


duats
Grey Havens

Jul 9 2011, 10:21pm


Views: 704
This x 100

Mt. Taranaki is perfect for The Lonely Mountain.


Patty
Immortal


Jul 9 2011, 10:26pm


Views: 695
Yes, it is the perfect mountain, but isn't there some specific reason

why they aren't using it?

Permanent address: Into the West





MarillŽ by the Sea
Rivendell


Jul 9 2011, 10:37pm


Views: 672
I think you're right

At first I thought it was Goblin-town, but at the beginning of the video PJ says "Sky darkens" and we see him sitting in a dark room, then a shot to what looks like the same set that Andy Serkis was in. It seems more likely to be Mirkwood because why would PJ mention the sky darkening in the caves under the Misty Mountains?


MarillŽ by the Sea
Rivendell


Jul 9 2011, 10:46pm


Views: 665
I see three ponies

You're right. The screenshot makes it look like there's only one pony, but if after watching the video the other two "lumps" are ponies (the one in the middle rears its head and you see mane and a nose). Perhaps this is in Trollshaw and Bilbo is just beginning to sneak a peek at the trolls, trying to hush the ponies as he makes his way closer to them? There's definitely a lot of trees around. This set also looks similar to the campground set in Image 09, so it seems likely it is Trollshaw.


MarillŽ by the Sea
Rivendell


Jul 9 2011, 10:50pm


Views: 677
I actually didn't notice them

while I was watching the video. Unlike the production photo where the ears were super prominent, when he's actually acting and moving I hardly noticed the ears.


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 9 2011, 10:59pm


Views: 657
I noticed this as well, good eyes.//

 

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules."
--Walter Sobchak


Bombadil
Half-elven


Jul 9 2011, 11:35pm


Views: 683
Earlier Posts mentioned the Red Dots?



In shot 7 "Riddles in Dark" if you look closely in the Lower Left there is a Green Lazar Pointer-Type Device mounted on a Green Tripod next to the Big Leico Light with Barn-doors projecting Red dots on the Rocks. This to me,
is the Distanceing-Device
to help the 3D artists at their Montors..
to keep the Levels of 3D
BIGGER if they want? or smaller, if needed.

If you look around the Entire Screen Cap

they are in many Places, even way back in the Background or High in the shot...WHY?,
I think I know.
Distortion on purpose

to add to the Creepieness, the "Gollum-ness",
of this Scene.

(Remember "the GET OFF the Road" FrodoShot in FOTR?

Or used agian in Shelob's Cave?) when Gollum adondons him and we first see Her Highness?

It's a regular Camera Lens effect that is best described as "Lens Pull-in with a Zoom out?"

When we rig Big Rock&Roll shows, the Roadies need what is called "Precise Hanging Points"
for their Lights and Speakers for many reasons.

Later in Andy's First Block...good-bye shots you can see peices of Highly reflective squares of RED Tape....
another way
in "Wicked" Stagecraft to do this.

The curent advancement(at 48 frames a second?) in 3D Filmaking are making use of ALL these old
"Tricksey, Sneaksy Devices....


Leave it to PJ&CO
who hired the BEST of the BEST!
in the 5th Age of this world...
to reinvent Filmaking..2 More TIMES!

Ain't it Great?

...xoxoOB





(This post was edited by Bombadil on Jul 9 2011, 11:37pm)


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Jul 10 2011, 12:05am


Views: 660
No cultural reason,

if that's what you're wondering.

Weta have said they're going digital for The Lonely Mountain, but they haven't said why. (I'd guess it's so they can control the environment exactly the way the want.)

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Patty
Immortal


Jul 10 2011, 1:33am


Views: 651
It was.

I must be misremembering. It would NOT be the first time.

Permanent address: Into the West





Bombadil
Half-elven


Jul 10 2011, 1:52am


Views: 885
Reviewing it all again...I see Red Dots in...

Images 3, 13, 14, 15, 16 ,17...But they are NOT jus' REDSpots before my Eyes....

I Honestly feel I'm on to "Somethingie"
that is
Totally Techincal?
about shooting in 3D!

Excuse the PUN
with
RED Cameras! ...

Tweets from 3D Movie Cameramen who are "TolkienTechies"
but are NOT on this Shoot,

are arriving daily from other Movie Locations
around the World
as we speak,

They want these Movies to Sing TOO!
We know PJ hired the Best, but what about their
BESTFriends who are busy everyday working on other Shoots?

This is a World-wide collaboration,
and some Guy in Czechslovia (who is not on TH Payroll?)

could PUSH "his friend from Avatar" to try something NEW?
xoxo OB


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kore mo te kore
Registered User

Jul 10 2011, 5:24am


Views: 837
Taranaki

I vaguely remember hearing something, it would suck if that were the case. Maybe the vegetation is wrong or something?


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jul 10 2011, 12:34pm


Views: 797
Just a guess...

but the red markers are probably lock points for computer set extensions. I'm not sure what you are referring to as a laser, but that probably has something to do with the motion capture set-up, which I might add, has the first self-illuminated mocap suit that I've ever seen. (because it has to shot in the darkness) -very cool.

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.


DrDeath153
Lorien

Jul 10 2011, 1:33pm


Views: 810
I'm guessing in the shot from behind

We're actually dealing with Freeman's scale double wearing a mask (a technique they used in LotR in a limited capacity). I can't be certain, but the proportion of the arms are of a smaller person whereas in the front-on shots, the fact Martin's kneeling is disguised somewhat by the balustrade.

I'm becoming more and more convinced by Freeman actually. Originally i thought he was almost 'too obvious' a choice but hearing his Ian Holm voice in the first video, then the slight worry about his informal look in the Empire photos and now in full Bilbo regalia (the red smoking jacket is a bit lighter and brighter than my preference but it's cool enough) i am getting the official Bilbo feeling off him- this country gent having to pull on his underused guile to get through these events alive.

The little snippet of Gollum in Riddles in the Dark was cool- sans digital effects pretty much as close as we've seen to the cinematic result so far. I'm kind of hoping that with Gollum we'll see a more 'whole' version of his personality. I wasn't particularly fond of the polarised personality showboating that went on in LotR, and i feel that the two sides should be a lot closer in The Hobbit given the relative security he feels in his cave with the Ring. There's more of a grey area, more Slinker and Stinker rather than Smeagol and Gollum. I also hope Riddles in the Dark isn't the last we see of him. I think it would make sense that he leaves his cave as quickly as possible following Bilbo's escape- it's no longer safe for him to be living down there without the Ring to protect him from trouble, and i think it would be more cinematic if he had some expanded role which could come to a convenient end when he's captured by the elves of mirkwood, making use of the events recounted by Legolas during the Council of Elrond in the books. In fact the idea that when Beorn comes back when they're staying with him and tells them he's been out killing goblins, Bilbo could have a further moment of remorse for Gollum in hoping he isn't what Beorn caught before seeing the remains and so this expanded role will allow Gollum to get a bit more of the time his LotR role would call for than simply having him appear as a cameo monster along the way.

The sets shown at the beginning of the video is definately Dol Guldur, it matches the description of the set in Empire and the plant matter is a total give-away. I'm hoping Goblin town will be a bit more organic in terms of it's architecture anyway- some strange trogladytic hive of goblins with a whiff of Shelob's lair crossed with Isengard's caverns (only without the scaffolding). It should feel that the dwarves and Bilbo are interlopers in some kind of hornets' nest, individual 'cells' overhanging the main thoroughfare where Goblins sleep or just watch, layers of overhanging tunnels like airducts that they can suddenly drop down from or grab at the dwarves (possibly being the way they could leap on Bilbo and drag him off or back from Dori and the dwarves). It's the kind of PJ playground of nastiness that will make for something rather different than the analogous Moria sequence in Fellowship.

Dr Death


taekotemple
Grey Havens


Jul 10 2011, 8:35pm


Views: 746
I think it looks like two troll legs and a pony next to it

The pony looks partially blocked by Bilbo, but it looks like stone troll legs to me in the center background of the picture.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jul 11 2011, 12:09am


Views: 715
You gotta watch the HD video...

In that still image it's pretty much impossible to make it out, watch the scene in the video on Facebook a few times in a row. That in the center is another pony. Sorry for yet again chiming in on that one, it's just... i so clearly see a pony! Smile


Gandalf'sMother
Rohan

Jul 11 2011, 12:57am


Views: 710
I hope that's...

...not actually a shot from the film...


Kyriel
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 11 2011, 12:58am


Views: 744
Is this a sketch of Thorin in Thranduil's hall?

First, I freely admit to adapting the image in this link from TORN's image #23. When I noticed the large paper on the center of the table, I realized it was an Alan Lee sketch and decided to take a closer look. I've rotated and cropped the screen grab down to the sketch, then stretched it out to make it look "flatter," and finally sharpened the contrast.

Do you see what I see? The architecture looks Elvish, but not like Rivendell; and that could be Thranduil standing on the left with Thorin kneeling on the right, guarded by two other Elves. What do you all think?


Those left standing will make millions writing books on the way it should have been. --Incubus


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 11 2011, 1:35am


Views: 701
It's not.

It's the reference camera. There is a camera dangling about 6 inches away from Andy's face that is used to pick up every nuance in his expressions in order to get the best match possible with the CG Gollum.

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules."
--Walter Sobchak


taekotemple
Grey Havens


Jul 11 2011, 3:55am


Views: 691
It does look different in the video compared to the still picture.

I thought I saw a couple more ponies in the video instead of troll legs.


taekotemple
Grey Havens


Jul 11 2011, 3:58am


Views: 725
Image 20

That black beard to the left of the screen shot over Peter King's shoulder is pretty awesome looking, no?


guitarzankansasfan
Lorien


Jul 11 2011, 7:08am


Views: 694
A deliberate hint?

I agree, the way they showed PJ and Andy sitting together at that desk made me wonder if they were hinting about Frodo's scene with old Bilbo.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 11 2011, 9:35am


Views: 675
I do not think so.

 Why would they have that set up for a shoot that is not going to happen before August and is probably going to get shot in London anyway?

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jul 11 2011, 11:35am


Views: 693
It's a troop of ponies.


In Reply To
I thought I saw a couple more ponies in the video instead of troll legs.

Your right, no troll legs there, it's a third pony. Smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXrZNNUl29A

P.S. Oops! I forgot to strip the sound out. Blush -I had my speakers turned off.

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.

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Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 11 2011, 12:03pm


Views: 668
Nice!

A little quirky humor from Bilbo as well while sneaking around, it appears. I really think Martin is going to nail Bilbo in the same fashion that Ian did in LotR.

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules."
--Walter Sobchak


dormouse
Half-elven

Jul 11 2011, 1:22pm


Views: 622
But then...

... why have they got Bilbo's desk set up exactly as it was in 'Concerning Hobbits' at the beginning of 'Fellowship'? The vase of flowers is that detail that particularly catches my eye - it matches, and a vase of flowers is such an ephemeral thing. Also, if you look at the pictures to the right of the set in the wide shot, which someone has speculated are photo references, the figure in them, so far as you can make it out at all, looks more like Bilbo than Frodo to me because the hair is too light in colour for Frodo.

I don't know why this should be but I'm as sure as I can be from here that it is.


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jul 11 2011, 1:50pm


Views: 621
These?



They could just be reference photos for pick-ups, to ensure the set mock-up matches.

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jul 11 2011, 2:36pm


Views: 618
Quirky is right.

I think he is reacting to bones piled in front of him. At first I thought it was a fern, but now it looks like a spine/rib cage and a large leg bone in the bottom left frame.

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.


architecthis
Lorien


Jul 11 2011, 2:37pm


Views: 618
I think you could be right...

 


Leviathan's Bane
Rivendell


Jul 11 2011, 4:10pm


Views: 603
Image 18: Bones...

In Image 18, with the design images for Legolas on the left (which are awesome! imho), to the right are a plethora of knobs and buckles and buttons and....bones?? Or are they teeth?? What do y'all think they are, and what are they doing there?


"So knights are mythical!" said the younger and less experienced dragons. "We always thought so."

- J.R.R. Tolkien, "Farmer Giles of Ham"


dormouse
Half-elven

Jul 11 2011, 4:22pm


Views: 588
They could be just about anything, I know...

...not trying to make a lot of them, honest! But the second one down on the left is someone with an open book before him, and it's too fair for Frodo. So I'm just saying maybe, just maybe, with the desk being set up as it was for Ian Holm's Bilbo....

Hang it, what else have we got to do but guess what these things might mean! It's a long time from now until next Christmas....


Leviathan's Bane
Rivendell


Jul 11 2011, 4:22pm


Views: 598
*Black* Book of Westmarch??

I noticed that the book on Bilbo's desk (Images 4 and 5) which PJ mysteriously keeps his elbow on the whole time looks black rather than red/burgundy. Is this, then, going to be a different book than the one in which Bilbo writes The Hobbit? If so, what do you think the old hobbit is up to writing (or reading) this time?


"So knights are mythical!" said the younger and less experienced dragons. "We always thought so."

- J.R.R. Tolkien, "Farmer Giles of Ham"


namarie
Rohan


Jul 11 2011, 10:17pm


Views: 550
yep, Elrond sits on Gimli's box :)//

 


There is always hope


namarie
Rohan


Jul 11 2011, 10:22pm


Views: 551
After watching the video

I think he's looking great.


There is always hope


namarie
Rohan


Jul 11 2011, 10:25pm


Views: 562
yes , I noticed that too

But I don't know if it's a beard or it's a wig.


There is always hope


taekotemple
Grey Havens


Jul 12 2011, 3:14am


Views: 452
I'm guessing...

They're probably bones used for goblin clothing fasteners, like buttons, since everything else in that part of the video seems to be related to costume design.