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oilfan94
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Jun 23 2011, 4:48pm


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Big Feet


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''He fits the ears, and he's got some very nice feet,'' Jackson says of his Bilbo. ''I think he's got the biggest hobbit feet we've had so far. They're a little bit hard to walk in, but he's managed to figure out the perfect hobbit gait.''


I'm sure this must have been discussed a few times in the last 10 years but I'll ask it here...
Why do they (PJ etc) think that Hobbits have big feet?
The Good Professor doesn't tell us that, but rather tells us that they can move silently, especially in the woods....which would naturally lead us to think that they would have smallish feet.

I'm sure the 'why' goes back to the Hildebrandts, who drew them with large feet....but why did they do it?

Hearing that the new Bilbo will have some of the largest Hobbit feet just makes me sad...because as a burglar, he should be even more stealthy, and as such, should have smaller feet.

Much too late by now...but think of all the time & expense that PJ/Weta could have saved by only making the Hobbit feet hairy, not hairy and clown like.

Has anyone ever asked PJ why his hobbits have big feet?


(This post was edited by oilfan94 on Jun 23 2011, 4:55pm)


sherlock
Gondor


Jun 23 2011, 4:52pm


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I agree,

never did like the big footed hobbits.


Darkstone
Half-elven

Jun 23 2011, 5:07pm


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Odo Proudfoot would be crushed. /

 

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Gimli'sBox
Gondor


Jun 23 2011, 5:38pm


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Interesting thought...

Perhaps PJ thought it made them look cute(?).

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Eregian
The Shire


Jun 23 2011, 5:46pm


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Technically they are shoes

Since the actors need to look like they're walking barefoot, they had to develop a shell for their feet, or shoes that look like hobbitfeet.

I assume Bilbo has the biggest looking feet 'cause Martin Freeman himself has a big shoe size.

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Silverlode
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Jun 23 2011, 6:14pm


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Yes, and in addition, I think it helps with

the proportions for the character. Along with the short pants and sleeves, the big feet help maintain the illusion of hobbit size even in scenes where there are no larger characters for contrast. It's subtle, but I think it does have an effect.

In theory, though, I do agree that the big feet aren't described by Tolkien, except in the case of Odo Proudfoot, who is described as having both his very large furry feet on the table at the Birthday Party. Speaking of furry, I also picture hobbits as having much more hair on their feet than they do in the movies, because it's described as being like the hair on their heads. But I imagine foot wigs might be a nightmare to maintain on set...although it might have meant we would have someone listed in the credits with a title like "Toe-Brusher". Laugh

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eralkfang
Lorien


Jun 23 2011, 6:55pm


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Hey!

As someone with large feet, I assure you we're quite capable of being stealthy. :)

It's more about the shape of the foot; I had a very clumsy aunt who had tiny feet. And being bare-footed in situations where others would have to be shod would be a huge advantage in being stealthy. And then there's walking on tiptoes when your foot is long enough to function more or less like a dog's back leg… Ahem!

While the hair on the feet is described like the hair on the head, I think that there's actually some biological difference that the production thought about—the hair on your head is different from the rest of your hair, you mammal you, so the production just extrapolated from that, I think, rather than taking it from canon. It works either way for me.


Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth
Lorien


Jun 23 2011, 7:33pm


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They add a certain ingredient.

The big feet are (apparently) essential for a hobbit. Without them, hobbits are kinda like mini men (with pointy ears). I think they add a nice quality to a hobbit's character.

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Darkstone
Half-elven

Jun 23 2011, 8:00pm


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Yes.

From Tolkien's own description of Bilbo:

"I picture a fairly human figure, not a kind of 'fairy' rabbit as some of my British reviewers seem to fancy: fattish in the stomach, shortish in the leg. A round, jovial face; ears only slightly pointed and 'elvish'; hair short and curling (brown). The feet from the ankles down, covered with brown hairy fur. Clothing: green velvet breeches; red or yellow waistcoat; brown or green jacket; gold (or brass) buttons; a dark green hood and cloak (belonging to a dwarf)."
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I think bigger feet help with the portrayal of "shortish in the leg".

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RosieLass
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Jun 23 2011, 8:13pm


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I would have preferred even hair, like a dog's.

To the nasty, pubic looking stuff they gave us. Eww. I still have to close my eyes and look away when they show hobbit feet on the screen. TongueUnimpressed



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RoseCotton
Lorien


Jun 24 2011, 6:09am


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That's interesting

I didn't realise Tolkien had ever specified that hobbit ears were pointed.

It's nice to know that it's 'official'! Smile


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jun 25 2011, 12:17am


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Artists Tim Kirk

told me he was the first one to draw Hobbits with the pointy ears :)

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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jun 25 2011, 12:44am


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I have no problem with the artists' choice

to make Hobbits with larger feet. It's part of their image now... and is supported by a few references. We've arleady heard about the Proudfoot... foot.


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'ProudFEET!' shouted an elderly hobbit from the back of the pavilion. His name, of course, was Proudfoot, and well merited; his feet were large, exceptionally furry, and both were on the table.



His are the only ones we hear of being larger outside the Stoors:


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The Stoors were broader, heavier in build; their feet and hands were larger...



Which, I think, is why a lot of people think someone else with foot-issues is from the Stoors clan:


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He was a loathsome little creature: he paddled a small boat with his large flat feet...



Sweet little Gollum is from Hobbity kindred. So for me, between Mr. Proudfoot, the Stoors and Gollum... big hairy feet are the status quo.

I mean... size is relative, right? Big to us may be normal to them and not worth making an issue of. Not like, say, who grew and smoked the first leaf? ;)

And I think Peter's reference to Martin's Bilbo having larger feet, it's not because they chose to make them larger; it's because Freeman's physically got bigger feet the the other hobbity actors/actresses. I'm thinking Elijah still holds the record for the sweatiest ;)

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taekotemple
Grey Havens


Jun 25 2011, 5:20am


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Wow, this is strange...

Well before I ever saw PJ's films, I always thought of hobbits having big feet. Now I'm wondering where I got that idea from? Were they significantly big in the Rankin/Bass film?

Hmm...


Kangi Ska
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Jun 25 2011, 7:40pm


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oilfan94
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Jun 27 2011, 1:36pm


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Hildebrandt Bros.

The Hildebrandt Brothers, who have been doing Tolkien art since the 60s or 70s, drew Hobbits with bigger feet...which I why I think they may have been the first to do so. But I think that many of their Hobbits or Dwarves were a bit cartoonish anyway.

My First childhood memories of Tolkien, come from the Hildebrandt images. My parent's hippy friends had all the images from a Hildebrandt calendar on their walls.


Gwaihir
The Shire


Jul 5 2011, 1:26am


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oilfan94
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Jul 5 2011, 1:46pm


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What *IF* Maurice Sendak had done The Hobbit

I'm still amazed when I think about how close were were to having Marice Sendak (Where the Wild Things Are) illustrate The Hobbit....and how that would have shaped our views of this beloved tale.

If you don't recall, Sendak was asked to draw up a few sketches for The Hobbit. Apparently there were at least two, one of Bilbo & Gandalf and one of the Elves feasting. (Sadly, only the sketch of Bilbo survived). But the amazing part is that his sketch of the Elves was mis-labled as Hobbits, so when JRRT saw it, he said that Sendak didn't understand Hobbits at all.

Sendak and Tolkien were on different continents at the time, but before they could meet up, to sort out the misunderstanding, Sendak had a heart attack.

So if it were not for that little misunderstanding, we would likely have all grown up with The Hobbit, as illustrated by Marice Sendak.

And, on the one image that we have, it shows Bilbo with very hairy...but small feet.


geordie
Tol Eressea

Jul 6 2011, 5:57am


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Tolkien's own drawings of Bilbo

- appear several times in The Hobbit. 'The Hall at bag End' shows him best. Though it's dificult to see the pointed ears, it's clear that Bilbo's feet are not overly large in proportion. I blame the Hildebrandts, too, for this misconception.

BTW - in two of Tolkien's pictures, Bilbo is wearing boots! In a letter, Tolkien explains that they're dwarf-boots, which Bilbo got in Rivendell.

They have curly toes...


dreamflower
Rivendell

Jul 20 2011, 8:17pm


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I always imagined them larger

I think because of JRRT's description in the Hobbit, my earliest imaginings of hobbits' feet were something like rabbit feet. This may have been contributed to by the Eagle calling Bilbo a rabbit. I know that hobbit feet are the one thing that I think PJ got wrong visually: They should be MUCH furrier and hairier than what we see in the films. I'm guessing that another poster got it right: all that extra foot hair would be hard to maintain.

Most artists draw them like slightly larger human feet with little tufts of hair on top. I don't think of them as rabbit feet anymore, but I still think they were bigger and hairier than I usually see them depicted.