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Dominion's Coverage of Hobbit Press Conference



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spymaster@theonering.net

Feb 10 2011, 4:59pm


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Dominion's Coverage of Hobbit Press Conference



10.19am: A written statement from Jackson said he regretted not being able to attend but was effectively under a health version of "house arrest".

10.18am: Spooks star Richard Armitage, who plays one of the dwarves, is seated to Freeman's left.

10.15am: The stars, including British actor Martin Freeman and Irishman James Nesbitt, have taken their seats at a long table at the Stone Street Studios in Mirimar, Wellington. Freeman, who will play Bilbo Baggins, is seated right in the middle.

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Brandybuckled
Lorien


Feb 10 2011, 10:24pm


Views: 3955
What on [Middle] Earth??

More info, please!!!Shocked

NAArP since 2011*

*Not An Ardent Purist


duats
Grey Havens

Feb 10 2011, 10:33pm


Views: 3934
They changed the picture in the article

The new photo features all fourteen of them (Armitage is hidden behind Brown, though).

Despite the anti-climactic conference, that picture put a smile on my face.


Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Feb 10 2011, 10:35pm


Views: 3882
yeah, the new picture is nice

still hoping for a video though


..The land of long-forgotten name:
......no man may ever anchor near;
..No steering star his hope may aim,
......for nether Night its marches drear,
..And waters wide no sail may tame,
......with shores encircled dark and sheer.

..O! Haven where my heart would be!
......the waves beat upon thy bar
..For ever echo endlessly,
......when longing leads thy thought afar


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 10 2011, 10:36pm


Views: 3848
No live video stream?

While understandable, it's a bummer that the most important person is not present, Peter Jackson.


duats
Grey Havens

Feb 10 2011, 10:41pm


Views: 3981
It kinda irks me

That Aidan Turner and Rob Kazinsky are front and center behind Martin Freeman, and Richard Armitage is in the back, hidden by Adam Brown.


Maddie
The Shire

Feb 10 2011, 10:42pm


Views: 3890
Post new photo?

Can someone post the new photo??? Please!!!


LoremIpsum
Lorien


Feb 10 2011, 10:42pm


Views: 3875
More photos

here


Bexlin
Rivendell


Feb 10 2011, 10:44pm


Views: 3819
Excellent photos

thanks for the link.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal

Feb 10 2011, 10:45pm


Views: 3799
Is this all?

A bit of a disappointment, really. I was hoping for an announcement of most (if not all) of the rest of the principle cast.


duats
Grey Havens

Feb 10 2011, 10:46pm


Views: 3833
Here

http://static2.stuff.co.nz/...6906/939/4645939.jpg


Maddie
The Shire

Feb 10 2011, 10:47pm


Views: 3780
Thanks so much!

 


Welsh hero
Gondor

Feb 10 2011, 10:59pm


Views: 3790
seems disapointing

No more updates, or info?

http://www.facebook.com/hobbitnz


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Feb 10 2011, 11:00pm


Views: 3714
Thanx loads.//

 

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Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Feb 10 2011, 11:09pm


Views: 3860
A snippet from Martin Freeman...

Just heard this on Newstalk ZB: Martin was asked about the 'bad luck' that had plagued the production so far, to which he replied, "There have been bits of bad luck around it, but we're all ready to go ... as soon as 2015 rolls around..."

:D

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Brandybuckled
Lorien


Feb 10 2011, 11:09pm


Views: 3741
yeah...

The actual information gleaned from the event is rather thin ... like butter scraped over too much bread.

NAArP since 2011*

*Not An Ardent Purist


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Feb 10 2011, 11:10pm


Views: 3823
Wouldn't it have been epic...

if Sir Ian McKellen would've shown up wearing his Gandalf hat and street clothes? Sly


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Feb 10 2011, 11:11pm


Views: 3756
Hahaha!

That's a priceless quote from Martin Freeman. Laugh


ShireHorse
Rohan

Feb 10 2011, 11:16pm


Views: 3936
And a snippet from Richard Armitage

who said at the conference that he played an elf in a stage production of LotR when he was young alongside a papier mache Gandalf!


(This post was edited by ShireHorse on Feb 10 2011, 11:18pm)


BG
Board Developer / Moderator


Feb 10 2011, 11:19pm


Views: 3725
Another pic

http://www.odt.co.nz/...ins__4d54694f07.jpeg


dormouse
Half-elven

Feb 10 2011, 11:20pm


Views: 3767
Do you think his Mum has pictures?

Because if she does, I expect we'll be seeing them before long!

It's fun to see the photos of the fabled news conference, but they don't seem to have said very much, do they?


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Feb 10 2011, 11:22pm


Views: 3701
Where is the bread?//

 

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ShireHorse
Rohan

Feb 10 2011, 11:25pm


Views: 3785
Yeah, I BET his mum has pictures

and I also bet they're locked securely in a drawer, LOL!

But Armitage has always been a fan of Tolkien. This must be a dream come true for him.


duats
Grey Havens

Feb 10 2011, 11:32pm


Views: 3692
Actually

I think it would've been great if they all showed up in full costume/prosthetics.


Patty
Immortal


Feb 10 2011, 11:32pm


Views: 3785
Sounds like he's got just the sense of humor that will make the long shoot a pleasure.

And that's a fun picture. Wonder how long RA's been growing his beard?

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Pipe Dream
Gondor


Feb 10 2011, 11:36pm


Views: 3010
What a gyp!

They must have spoken about something while sitting at that table.

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(This post was edited by Pipe Dream on Feb 10 2011, 11:38pm)


thesithempire
Rivendell

Feb 10 2011, 11:37pm


Views: 3082
That's a fantastic picture!!

Wow! It's so cool to finally see Bilbo and the 13 dwarves together in a photograph!

Everyone just looks awesome, even without costumes and makeup.

Very stoked for this!

Also, seeing just how formidably numerous 13 dwarves actually looks in real-life, I'm extremely curious to know just how they're going to distinguish one from another! More than anything, though, the necessity of two films is brought home to me. If the writing is up to par with these actors, I've a feeling the dwarves are going to steal the show (and I say that as a total Freeman fanboy)!


Vellamo
Rivendell


Feb 10 2011, 11:39pm


Views: 3021
Yeah but...

...if there's any truth to what's been said about Armitages personality, he's probably happy just hanging there in the background letting his more self-important colleagues do the posing for the press.


Welsh hero
Gondor

Feb 10 2011, 11:41pm


Views: 3040
From what I've seen

Aidan Turner doesn't have a sense of Self importance.

Smile

http://www.facebook.com/hobbitnz


Brandybuckled
Lorien


Feb 10 2011, 11:44pm


Views: 2926
Bombur ate it? //

 

NAArP since 2011*

*Not An Ardent Purist


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Feb 10 2011, 11:44pm


Views: 3061
Indeed!

What a fantastic picture that high-res one is! They all look so perfect. Boy, Armitage sure looks different when he's scruffy-looking. They all seem to have pretty good chemistry as well.


Hamfast
Rohan


Feb 10 2011, 11:56pm


Views: 3014
This is monumentally disappointing.

I rushed through work,popped open a beer, sat in front of the computer, and what...?? exactly? Nothing we don't know, no cast announcements....PJ's sorry he couldn't make it....snore...zzz...snore...zzz. It is cool to see them all together though...was that the purpose of this?


Vellamo
Rivendell


Feb 11 2011, 12:00am


Views: 2961
More importantly:

Why is he growing it? I'm confused.


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Feb 11 2011, 12:00am


Views: 2923
Yeah...

they seem to be keeping everything really close to vest on this one, including the studio, who hasn't made any casting announcements in a month it seems.


duats
Grey Havens

Feb 11 2011, 12:02am


Views: 2977
Probably doesn't matter

They film in a month, and shaving only takes a matter of minutes Wink.


Hamfast
Rohan


Feb 11 2011, 12:14am


Views: 2879
And...

Where is Sir Ian if this is a meet and greet for the press of The Hobbit cast ? Isn't he in New Zealand ? I am also curious if it was mentioned / confirmed that the start date is indeed March 21st ? I was sincerely hoping that information was incorrect.Mad


ShireHorse
Rohan

Feb 11 2011, 12:21am


Views: 3029
Here's another shot of Armitage

with a not so scruffy beard. It's Aidan Turner who looks all bearded up! (I love AT, BTW!)

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/8862/5hobbit.jpg


BG
Board Developer / Moderator


Feb 11 2011, 12:24am


Views: 2926
A little video

http://tvnz.co.nz/...ington-4022830/video


Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Feb 11 2011, 12:32am


Views: 2821
A ha! Thanks BG

I wonder if the press was aware that it was just going to be cast members there. I'd probably panic if suddenly all of the questions that I'd prepared were no longer valid


..The land of long-forgotten name:
......no man may ever anchor near;
..No steering star his hope may aim,
......for nether Night its marches drear,
..And waters wide no sail may tame,
......with shores encircled dark and sheer.

..O! Haven where my heart would be!
......the waves beat upon thy bar
..For ever echo endlessly,
......when longing leads thy thought afar


Magpie
Immortal


Feb 11 2011, 12:37am


Views: 2825
thanks to everyone who posted pics and videos

...although the video BG posted isn't loading for me. It reminded me of another press conference a decade ago and the photo that caused a stir. Maybe I'll dig it up and post it on Main. (can't do... TORn's scrapbook is still down)


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(This post was edited by Magpie on Feb 11 2011, 12:41am)


Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Feb 11 2011, 12:46am


Views: 2837
It wasn't for me

when I was using Firefox, so I tried IE and it worked just fine
(iirc you use Firefox as well, so this may help)


..The land of long-forgotten name:
......no man may ever anchor near;
..No steering star his hope may aim,
......for nether Night its marches drear,
..And waters wide no sail may tame,
......with shores encircled dark and sheer.

..O! Haven where my heart would be!
......the waves beat upon thy bar
..For ever echo endlessly,
......when longing leads thy thought afar


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Feb 11 2011, 12:47am


Views: 2845
And another:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/...-health-house-arrest

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Magpie
Immortal


Feb 11 2011, 1:00am


Views: 2826
actually...

the links I have are on the server named "archives" and that isn't working for IE either. It's possible these images are on the main server as well, but without direct links to them, it would take me awhile to find them. I'll have to see what I can do.


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Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Feb 11 2011, 1:04am


Views: 2808
I was talking about

BG's video, which you said wasn't loading


..The land of long-forgotten name:
......no man may ever anchor near;
..No steering star his hope may aim,
......for nether Night its marches drear,
..And waters wide no sail may tame,
......with shores encircled dark and sheer.

..O! Haven where my heart would be!
......the waves beat upon thy bar
..For ever echo endlessly,
......when longing leads thy thought afar


Vellamo
Rivendell


Feb 11 2011, 1:34am


Views: 2869
Ahem

Being a fool for bearded gentlemen major stockholder of Artifacial Hair Corporation® I happen to take this whole business with beard-growth extremely seriously.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Feb 11 2011, 1:38am


Views: 2745
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hikaru
Registered User

Feb 11 2011, 1:44am


Views: 2778
tvnz.co.nz vid

if anyone's having trouble with the tvnz vid, someone's posted it to Youtube -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML-alltw8dM


(This post was edited by hikaru on Feb 11 2011, 1:45am)


Magpie
Immortal


Feb 11 2011, 2:50am


Views: 2698
ah, yes... sorry. I'll try it in IE //

 


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Magpie
Immortal


Feb 11 2011, 2:51am


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thanks for the link. //

 


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RosieLass
Valinor


Feb 11 2011, 3:20am


Views: 2788
Well I, for one, am thrilled.

It was great to see them, just anyway. And great to see them together, as well, to see the camaraderie they seem to have developed.

And Richard Armitage IS Thorin.



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Feb 11 2011, 5:02am


Views: 3350
The Hobbit media press conference - full version (video) and direct link - by duats

Here is the full press conference:

http://www.3news.co.nz/.../198020/Default.aspx

and the direct link:

If anyone's having issues with the above link, here's the direct link:

http://flash.mediaworks.co.nz/...sser_110211_330K.mp4



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(This post was edited by Silverlode on Feb 11 2011, 8:43am)


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Feb 11 2011, 5:08am


Views: 3392
Stott and Armitage

seem an inspired bit of casting as Balin and Thorin.

Loved Freeman's quip about calling PJ Sir Peter, "he's such a monarchist." ha! His clear ennunciation interspersed with muttered asides reminds me quite alot of Holm's Bilbo already.

My take on Kazinsky is "LOTR fan lands dream job."

Thanks for the repost!


Magpie
Immortal


Feb 11 2011, 5:12am


Views: 3233
fun... but I can't hear any of the questions.

it would be great to have a written transcript.


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titanium_hobbit
Rohan


Feb 11 2011, 5:17am


Views: 3244
Beard versus clean-shaven Idea: latex allergies

So, first of all Bilbo doesn't have a beard. No worries on shaven-ness, MF!

What about the mix of beard/non-beard in the dwarvish crew?

Perhaps they are wearing them to get into character, like Viggo lugged around the sword for ages, repaired his own costume etc.

However wouldn't they all be doing that then?

I don't think these are just fashion statements, I think those with allergies to beard glue might be growing beards so that they can get "beard extensions" (hair extensions) easily on, the others will have theirs prosthetically attached like JRD- Gimli.

Just a thought.

(big fan of beards btw- these are great!)

Hobbit firster, Book firster.


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Feb 11 2011, 5:21am


Views: 3235
It could also be....

that the wardrobe/makeup departments want to know what their natural beards look like so that they can make authentic-looking fake ones for filming. I doubt that they'll be wearing their own beards for the same reason they won't be wearing their own hair: continuity in makeup and hairdressing is much much easier with wigs and false beards that can be taken off and tended to elsewhere. Also, fake hair doesn't grow, so haircuts don't create an issue.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


Owain
Tol Eressea


Feb 11 2011, 5:34am


Views: 3289
I was not disappointed in the least by this conference...

If anything, it has affirmed my faith in these films and the casting selection. Seeing them altogether, their collective wit and intelligence, and what seemed sincere humility with tempered excitement... we are in for the experience that we have all been waiting for.

Smile

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


duats
Grey Havens

Feb 11 2011, 5:41am


Views: 3208
Thanks for reposting, Altaira

Like I said in the other thread, I am loving the vibe I am getting from this group.

They each have their own distinctive look, voice, personality. And they also have their own unique quirks and sense of humor. But most important, they all share a great collaborative energy. It's fantastic to finally see them all interacting together.

As far as Armitage/Thorin is concerned, I admit that I am still skeptical. Considering Thorin is the oldest dwarf in the company, I find it odd that PJ cast an actor who is the fourth youngest in the group of dwarf actors. I'm sincerely hoping that PJ did not purposefully change the character's age. Not only because it's a completely unnecessary change, but also because it takes something away from the chararacter.

It may just be me, but making Thorin substantially younger doesn't have the same impact as seeing an aged dwarf who spent most of his life living in bitter exile - but forever holding onto the desperate hope of reclaiming what is rightfully his.

But in this press conference, Armitage demonstrates a deep and authoritative voice - which is ideal for Thorin. I am hopeful that this voice (in combination with the prosthetics, wig, and beard) will make Armitage seem much older than he really is.

Overall, this press conference was extremely comforting.


(This post was edited by duats on Feb 11 2011, 5:45am)


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Feb 11 2011, 6:05am


Views: 3257
Prosthetics may not play

as big a role as they did in the creation of Gimli. I can see how this group could look like dwarfs with just a bit of hair and makeup. Not to mention RA's nose is majestic as is... As for him not looking old enough, well, as their king, might he not have more refined features, a more youthful visage than the others, in spite of his years? I'm quite smitten by him already.

I agree this initial peek at the ensemble was comforting. Some in the group might be replaced easily, or at best are interchangeable. But others, for me, are already gelling as the characters they will play.


(This post was edited by SirDennisC on Feb 11 2011, 6:06am)


Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Feb 11 2011, 6:15am


Views: 3204
So surreal...

My oh my. Having missed the production phase of the LotR films (I finished the books in time for the second and third FotR trailers), this is leaving me so giddy. Laugh I truly never thought - after the experience of seeing the original trilogy and the experiencing the emotion of that 3 year journey - that I would actually get to go "back again". It is incredibly special to me to get to experience these films from the very beginning of their creation. Just getting to see these actors as they prepare to embark on this journey is quite exciting. On a personal note, it doesn't hurt that this will be coinciding with my own journey into film (I'll hopefully be attending film school this fall). Even with the perspective that I'm simply a spectator in all this, I can't help but feel that this is going to be a magnificent couple of years.

"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence


(This post was edited by Aragorn the Elfstone on Feb 11 2011, 6:21am)


Milknut
Rohan


Feb 11 2011, 7:28am


Views: 3187
Actually, he said a paper mache Gollum.

It would have been funny if they had to have a paper mache Gandalf. :P

The cake is a lie.
The cake is a lie.
The cake is a lie.
The cake is a lie.
The cake is a lie___


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Feb 11 2011, 8:34am


Views: 3217
Marvelous.

It's great to see that once again, PJ and Co. have chosen not just good actors who will fit the parts, but actors who will work well together. We may not have gotten a lot of "news", but it was a delight to see the group interacting. I can't wait to see them all on screen!

As an early member of the Martin Freeman bandwagon, I am thrilled to see him actually sitting there as a hobbit among dwarves. I'm certain he's going to be brilliant. Cool

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


ShireHorse
Rohan

Feb 11 2011, 9:34am


Views: 3136
My version, Milknut,

of a papier mache Gandalf sounds more avant garde, LOL!


Lost Hobbit
Rivendell


Feb 11 2011, 10:00am


Views: 3229
Armitage's voice

It's so Thorin-ish! Heart And he's got very funny nose - i mean in terms of Hobbit film...I don't think he need any extra stuff on it...



maut
Rivendell


Feb 11 2011, 10:30am


Views: 3110
Lovely!

So dwarvish they are! Smile
I like them all already.

Far over the misty mountains cold

To dungeons deep and caverns old

We must away ere break of day

To seek the pale enchanted gold.
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Dragon81
The Shire


Feb 11 2011, 11:34am


Views: 3071
The Hobbit & Dwarves have spoken

Just finished viewing the press conference, and i have to say it is a relief to finally get to see and hear a number of
principle cast. But still this was more of a introduction of the actors, and i would have liked to hear from Sir Peter Jackson,
but understandably he was not present, also like someone has mentioned before it would have been nice to see Sir Ian Mckellan
in attendance, any one know when he will be in New Zealand.


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DrDeath153
Lorien

Feb 11 2011, 12:43pm


Views: 3228
I don't know what people are complaining about

What's the big deal with their being no more casting announcements- is that the only thing that could come out of that press conference? Personally i found it enlightening even if it wasn't informative- you got a sense of the dynamic, of the character of the actors involved both individually and as a group- i never knew Graham McTavish was quite so giggly, and this was the first time i had actually seen a lot of the New Zealand actors move and react, as well as hear them (though i'm imagining that the antipodean tones will be re-tuned to be a bit more traditionally British of some variety or another).

Adam Brown intrigues me too, since he's one of the youngest cast members, and possibly the least known. What is cool about him is how he does look rather like a young Jed Brophy, so you can imagine how these different families and groupings are going to emerge. I'm becoming more comfortable with the younger cast members generally, but Armitage's age does still worry me, particularly if it means the character is going to be younger too (incidentally, where's the clip of him speaking in the press conference? I can't find it). I could have done with hearing a bit more from him, just to get a sense of what to expect and possibly even his response to the questions about his casting (it's alright PJ saying he's brilliant, but i want something solid to go on). Granted he's apparently a method actor so obviously he's trying to retain that distance, build up the persona, but still- it was a press conference so speak up Dickie! I would prefer a recasting but i am softening to Armitage, my mind is ajar for him to prove himself. He's got a striking resemblance to Gerard Butler in 300 there though with the full beard.

I'm still not keen on this idea of skimping on the prosthetics with the dwarves. They're welcome to try and introduce some of the actors' unique features into the sculpted appliances, but cutting back on the appliances will make for a stylistically unwelcome shift from the established dwarf look. Their heads still need to be larger in ratio to their bodies than humans in order to look dwarf-like.

But yes, i'm really excited by this clip- it's all kind of 'coming real' and that's really a rather amazing thing.

Dr Death


Vellamo
Rivendell


Feb 11 2011, 12:45pm


Views: 3161
Having watched the full conference now...

...I humbly must take back some of my harsh words said last night. The conference may have not been at all what most of us hoped for but calling it an anticlimax wasn't fair either. Even though those big, burning questions concerning the production still remain unanswered, getting to witness the fantastic synergy of the 1+13 was indeed truly inspiring. It added much needed credence and tangibility to the project.

Hence I endorse your words Owain: we are in for the experience that we have all been waiting for!


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Feb 11 2011, 12:48pm


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It was hard for me to hear too.

So I normalized the audio to bring it out a bit more without getting blasted. It's uploading on youtube right now, so it might be worth another listen. I guess it depends on how acute your hearing is. Once done I'll post the link. -about 25 minutes to go

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Altaira
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Feb 11 2011, 1:08pm


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From the Home Page -->Complete Audio of 'The Hobbit' Press Conference

Thanks to our good friends at Weta Workshop, we have a downloadable mp3 of the entire Hobbit Press Conference. [Download mp3 (25MB) ] And if you haven’t checked it out yet, read Tehanu’s full report of the event! [Tehanu's Report]


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dormouse
Half-elven

Feb 11 2011, 1:25pm


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Thanks for the links...

It's all coming together, isn't it?

I really enjoyed watching and listening to all that - it's so good to see the actors together, and building up a kind of chemistry between them. Makes you realise what a big group of people 13 + 1 is - it was a smart move, I think, to make the thing exclusively Bilbo and dwarves and not introduce any other actors at this stage.

And singing too! It's all good! Cool


titanium_hobbit
Rohan


Feb 11 2011, 1:29pm


Views: 3036
yes yes yes!

Love Dwalin's beard! (McTavish)

Gloín is a good match to be Gimli's dad. Armitage as Thorin is good too.

Not so sure about Ken Stott- I see him and think "REBUS" right away. He doesn't match my idea of Balin so well. Like to see a beard on him, his eyes are good though for a watch man/dwarf.

Also, I have been pronouncing it as "Bay-lin" and "Dway-lin" since the first time I read them, and was surprised to hear "Bah-lin" and "Dwah-lin" Anyone else? anyone got definitive pronunciation?

Hobbit firster, Book firster.


DrDeath153
Lorien

Feb 11 2011, 1:45pm


Views: 3064
Actually, sod cynicism, this is THE HOBBIT!

So i've just seen the full press conference, and while my previous message was characteristically cynical and level-headed, i'd just like to take this moment to do a digital happy dance, because this thing is happening, it's happening and it's happening! These are great people, it's a great project and it'll hopefully produce a great result!

Dr Death


Vellamo
Rivendell


Feb 11 2011, 2:42pm


Views: 3009
May I join your digital dance?

Decided to give a boot to my pessimism as well (at least for the time being). Feeling too giddy for that crap right now. ;)


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Finrod
Rohan


Feb 11 2011, 3:08pm


Views: 3078
Vowel Movements and Burrrrs


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Also, I have been pronouncing it as "Bay-lin" and "Dway-lin" since the first time I read them, and was surprised to hear "Bah-lin" and "Dwah-lin" Anyone else? anyone got definitive pronunciation?


It’s quite definitely supposed to be [ˈbɑːlɨn] and [ˈdwɑːlɨn], not [ˈbeɪlən] and [ˈdweɪlən]!

It sounded like she got all the other dwarves’ names pretty close correct, too, including even using [ɾ] instead of [ɹ] for Ori, Dori, and Nori, and using a two‐syllable hiatus instead of a one‐syllable diphthong in Óin and Glóin. That was all nice to hear.

She did botch the final r in Bifur, Bofur, and Bombur, but that’s just her own non-rhotic accent punching through. It should be [ˈbɔːmbɚ] — which is sometimes written [ˈbɔmbəɹ] — but certainly not [ˈbɒmbə] the way she said it with no r whatsoever. So it’s not correct, but I imagine they’ll fix it up for the production in any Kiwis whose twang they decide needs taming. She’s also a victim of the cot–caught merger, as I’ve indicated above in the first syllable of Bombur.

Like Tolkien himself and also John Rhys‐Davies’ portrayal of Gimli, the two Scots should both be native rhotic speakers, which will work out well for them. I think James Nesbitt is too; not sure on Aidan Turner. The Englishmen and Kiwis are not native rhotic speakers, however, so they may have to fix that up during dialect coaching.

I figure that just as they did with Merry and Pippin versus Frodo and Sam, they might well try to zero in on a single shared dialect only between each set of Dwarves who are closely related and then let each group vary a bit from each other group. Balin and Dwalin should have no trouble being both Scots, but these are after all actors, so they should be able to handle any required dialect shifts without too terribly much work.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they left Martin Freeman pretty close to RP, which is non‐rhotic, since it will give him a more bourgeois or semi‐posh sound. I seem to recall that Ian McKellen put more r into his Gandalf, having studied and adopted Tolkien’s own (rhotic) accent for the rôle.

Here are the actors’ nationalities:
  • Bilbo:   Martin Freeman        – England
  • Thorin:  Richard Armitage      – England
  • Fíli:    Rob Kazinsky          – England
  • Kíli:    Aidan Turner          – Ireland
  • Balin:   Ken Stott             – Scotland
  • Dwalin:  Graham McTavish       – Scotland
  • Bifur:   William Kircher       – New Zealand
  • Bofur:   James Nesbitt         – Northern Ireland
  • Bombur:  Stephen Hunter        – New Zealand
  • Óin:     John Callen           – New Zealand
  • Glóin:   Peter Hambleton       – New Zealand
  • Ori:     Adam Brown            – England
  • Nori:    Jed Brophy            – New Zealand
  • Dori:    Mark Hadlow           – New Zealand
Interesting that there’s no one from the States, Canada, or Australia. Harder to work the accents, maybe? Or maybe it’s just because those countries don’t end in “‑land”? :)
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…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311




ShireHorse
Rohan

Feb 11 2011, 3:15pm


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Here you go, DrDeath!

Mr Armitage speaks! He sees himself as middle-aged, is a big bloke with a strong nose and, as Tehanu says in her report from the scene, he has a certain "gravitas".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSq2FkxsDoQ


ImmortalThree
Registered User


Feb 11 2011, 4:29pm


Views: 2995
Richard Armitage

After watching the video of the press conference yesterday I was trying to remember who Armitage reminded me of and it hit me this morning. He reminded me of Bernard Hill's Theoden. He has a kingly presence about him just like Theoden. It seemed to me that he knew he was important and he certainly sounded like it with his deep voice. Good job on casting im sure he is going to do great!


Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Feb 11 2011, 4:39pm


Views: 2878
Speaking for myself

(which is the same as the general vibe I'm getting from other people who were complaining)
We were expecting PJ to be there (along with other production people possibly) and so the questions we were hoping for could not be answered (such as about GdT's designs, etc). Then the Dominion Post report was dry and made it sound like all of the questions were pointless (eg: are you prepared to be an instant heartthrob?). However, since Tehanu's report and the video postings, for the most part it seems everyone has realized the spirit of the conference: it wasn't dry and it was a wonderful way to meet the main cast.


..The land of long-forgotten name:
......no man may ever anchor near;
..No steering star his hope may aim,
......for nether Night its marches drear,
..And waters wide no sail may tame,
......with shores encircled dark and sheer.

..O! Haven where my heart would be!
......the waves beat upon thy bar
..For ever echo endlessly,
......when longing leads thy thought afar


Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Feb 11 2011, 4:41pm


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what a wonderful way to meet the cast

Before I only had a knowledge of the names and a vague idea of what they looked like (not that I could ever remember all of the dwarves' actors). Now I'm getting a feel for the personalities behind the actors, which makes it so much more real.


..The land of long-forgotten name:
......no man may ever anchor near;
..No steering star his hope may aim,
......for nether Night its marches drear,
..And waters wide no sail may tame,
......with shores encircled dark and sheer.

..O! Haven where my heart would be!
......the waves beat upon thy bar
..For ever echo endlessly,
......when longing leads thy thought afar


ShireHorse
Rohan

Feb 11 2011, 4:43pm


Views: 2851
Ian McKellen

is apparently holidaying in India en route to NZ. He should be there in another week and will get time off to appear in a stage play back in England.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...d.html#ixzz1Ddz8C0VK


rings7
Rohan


Feb 11 2011, 4:52pm


Views: 2822
Seriously

i'm in cloud nine with this PC what an amazing cast, fabulous guys all of them!


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Feb 11 2011, 5:38pm


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It's great to finally see the cast together

The entire project has suddenly become more tangible. Now we're starting to get a real sense of how the actors and their characters will interact and behave around each other. The chemistry is reassuring indeed. It's a slightly eerie feeling – looking at a group of people, most of whom I've never seen before, and knowing that I will soon be just as familiar with them as I am with the nine actors who portrayed the Fellowship.


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Feb 11 2011, 5:42pm


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A happy DrDeath?

Is this akin to Darth Vadar playing happily with puppies and kittens?

Wink

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Ainu Laire
Tol Eressea


Feb 11 2011, 5:42pm


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Very much so!

He did quite a bit of talking and it was clear that he was very excited to be cast. Good for him.

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Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Feb 11 2011, 5:43pm


Views: 2842
Now there's a conspiracy theory I can get behind.


In Reply To
Or maybe it’s just because those countries don’t end in “&#8209;land”? :)



Cool


Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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macfalk
Valinor


Feb 11 2011, 6:06pm


Views: 2836
Finrod

You seem to have great knowledge of these matters! I enjoyed reading your post.

What do you think about the other actor's accents that will be used (Drogo,Primula,Itaril,Beorn etc) And of course Thranduil and Bard but those are not yet cast.



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mulubinba
Rivendell

Feb 11 2011, 9:48pm


Views: 2785
Dwarf age?

I hope this isn't too off topic but after reading about Durin's folk, I don't picture Thorin as being "old" - more late middle aged.

My reasoning is that in the Appendices of Return of the King, (Appendix A: III) it states that the average life expectancy of a dwarf is 250 years. Marriageable age is 100 years and they don't become "battle ready" until their early 30's. From this, I would place Thorin at 195, more in "late middle age"; still fit to fight. lead his people, work the hammer and anvil and travel under rough conditions on the quest for Erebor. An "old" dwarf wouldn't have it in him, imo.

Armitage needs to be aged a few years, greyed a bit. He certainly might be viewed as "old for his years" as he has seen tragedy from his years of exile and has had a tough life. Proud, aloof, even arrogant. ("Regal" to quote SiirDennisC above).

It all depends on what a person's perception of "old" is and what that means in dwarf years. I would think 250 is old (a bit like our 3 score years and 10) Smile

Interesting press conference - it was clear a lot of the actors were already starting to inhabit their characters including Armitage. I wonder if he has Orcrist yet? Smile


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RosieLass
Valinor


Feb 11 2011, 10:19pm


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Yes!

I just finished reading "The Annals of the Kings and Rulers" from the Appendix, and that was exactly my thought.

Thorin was just a "kid" when Smaug attacked the Lonely Mountain, barely in his 20s, which is young even for races with lifespans of less than a century. He was 95 when became king at the time of Thrain's disappearance, and he was 195 when he died.

Dain Ironfoot lived to 252.



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silneldor
Half-elven


Feb 11 2011, 11:12pm


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Thanks BG.

Ahhhh, inputSmile!

''Sam put his ragged orc-cloak under his master's head, and covered them both with the grey robe of Lorien; and as he did so his thoughts went out to that fair land, and to the Elves, and he hoped that the cloth woven by their hands might have some virtue to keep them hidden beyond all hope in this wilderness of fear...But their luck held, and for the rest of that day they met no living or moving thing; and when night fell they vanished into the darkess of Mordor.'' - - -rotk, chapter III

May the grace of Manwë let us soar with eagle's wings!

In the air, among the clouds in the sky
Here is where the birds of Manwe fly
Looking at the land, and the water that flows
The true beauty of earth shows
With the stars of Varda lighting my way
In all the realms this is where I stay
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silneldor
Half-elven


Feb 11 2011, 11:38pm


Views: 2666
Very much fun. Thank you Altaira\\

 

''Sam put his ragged orc-cloak under his master's head, and covered them both with the grey robe of Lorien; and as he did so his thoughts went out to that fair land, and to the Elves, and he hoped that the cloth woven by their hands might have some virtue to keep them hidden beyond all hope in this wilderness of fear...But their luck held, and for the rest of that day they met no living or moving thing; and when night fell they vanished into the darkess of Mordor.'' - - -rotk, chapter III

May the grace of Manwë let us soar with eagle's wings!

In the air, among the clouds in the sky
Here is where the birds of Manwe fly
Looking at the land, and the water that flows
The true beauty of earth shows
With the stars of Varda lighting my way
In all the realms this is where I stay
In the realm of Manwë Súlimo













titanium_hobbit
Rohan


Feb 12 2011, 1:07am


Views: 2744
is it bad

That I'm thinking of them as their dwarven alter-egos already

" I like Thorin's voice... erm I mean RA"
"Ori is young but should be a great addition. He's tall, as is Nori which will be useful for carrying Bilbo etc. I mean Adam Brown, Jed Brophy and Martin Freeman."

Hobbit firster, Book firster.


Ælfwine Samylfin
Bree


Feb 12 2011, 7:55am


Views: 2648
Thorin is the oldest dwarf in the company.

He was, by his own account, a "young dwarf" when Smaug descended on Erebor. Thirty-one years later he fought in the Battle of Azanulbizar, where he earned the name Oakenshield, alongside his cousin Dáin, who was thirty-two at the time. He then lived in exile for another 140 years until the quest for Erebor, making him at least 171 plus however old he was at the time of the dragon's attack.

That said, provided he has the capacity to ramble on in a self-important manner, Armitage has a perfect air for Thorin, and I don't care how young he looks. Bring on the make-up department; just leave alone those eyes and nose!



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Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Feb 12 2011, 10:02am


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You know, that makes me wonder....

if by any chance we'll get to see a flashback or prologue of Smaug's arrival at the Lonely Mountain, complete with a young Thorin....a Thorin who might look rather like RA does now.....

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Feb 12 2011, 10:06am


Views: 2630
It would justify the youthful casting wouldn't it? //

 

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Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Feb 12 2011, 10:24am


Views: 2700
It might help to explain it...

Whether it justifies it is a subjective conclusion and the proof will be in the movie which we won't see for a couple of years yet. But it's an interesting possibility. It's certainly easier to age someone than to make them appear convincingly younger.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


DrDeath153
Lorien

Feb 12 2011, 1:28pm


Views: 2654
It may seem so

But then i only started posting on here in reaction to Richard Armitage being cast and so it may seem like i'm a bit of a 'one policy party', but yes, I am actually hugely hugely excited about this- i'm just trying to make sure the film is as good as it can be.

On matters of Thorin's age- late middle-age is a good analogy. The thing about Thorin, is that much like Bilbo, he's reached an age where he must either fulfill his 'pipe dreams' or live out the rest of his days without achieving them. While Bilbo is on the cusp of going to seed and spending the rest of his days as an eccentric but respectable bachelor and country squire, Thorin is on the cusp of becoming too old to mete out any kind of vengeance on Smaug and reclaim the Lonely Mountain. There's a tragic futility to the character of Thorin. While we see Aragorn say to the kid at Helm's Deep 'There is always hope', Thorin is specifically identified as an heir without hope and so i'm hoping to see a rather melancholic and sympathetic vision of Thorin, resigned to at best a heroic and honourable death, but fearful (and suspicious) that Gandalf has just set him up for a humiliating and ignominious one- there's a great deal of pathos to be drawn from the character, and just as much as his dourness can make him defensive and aggressive, it should also show him as capable of sincere displays of wonderment and happiness- the moment where he recovers the Arkenstone should almost have the same effect on him as when Bilbo sees the ship at the grey havens at the end of LotR- the same wide-eyed wonderment and blissful happiness. It's a kind of scope that i fear someone as young, fit and virile as Richard Armitage won't be able to capture, where someone a bit more world-weary and 'past it' would (my first choice for Thorin was actually Anthony Hopkins) but if he can then he really will have proven himself.


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a flashback or prologue of Smaug's arrival at the Lonely Mountain, complete with a young Thorin....a Thorin who might look rather like RA does now.....


A cold shower for Ms Silverlode please! And will the horny aunties of the boards please stop elevating their hormones to the level of poetry?...... Thank youTongue

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duats
Grey Havens

Feb 12 2011, 4:53pm


Views: 2650
To be exact

Thorin is 195 during the events of The Hobbit. As you said, this makes him the oldest dwarf in the company (followed by Balin).

Having just skimmed the first chapter again, Balin was described as "an old-looking dwarf." So I would assume that Thorin too would look old.


dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Feb 12 2011, 6:59pm


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I fear that may be impossible.


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A cold shower for Ms Silverlode please! And will the horny aunties of the boards please stop elevating their hormones to the level of poetry?


The, ah, appreciation of certain males is a, shall we say, "time-honored tradition" on these Boards: here's the link to the TORn dictionary, scroll down to "Estrogen Island".

But I do like the way you phrased your protest: "level of poetry", indeed Laugh


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Magpie
Immortal


Feb 12 2011, 7:31pm


Views: 2587
haha

nice try. But I am so far beyond the age where I worry about stuff like that. f..a..r... beyond. I have entered the Ruth Gordon as Maude stage of my life. I celebrate joy when it comes to me. :-P

I'm afraid TORn is stuck with the giddy aunts.

But I think I missed Silverlode joining the club. Does she need a cold shower? I can't even find where she's commented on him other than to say she would have picked him for Bard instead of Thorin.


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Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Feb 12 2011, 7:44pm


Views: 2565
Ha!

The funny thing is that my comment actually wasn't meant that way as I am not generally prone to drooling (though I do not attempt to deny the appeal of Mr. Armitage and I will keep a bucket of ice water handy over the next few months just in case Wink). Rather, it was posted in a "Hmmm" sort of way. I can think of a number of reasons that they might have wanted to cast Thorin young, but that was one that had not previously occurred to me. It's a way in which the relatively youthful casting might be made to serve the story.

Until recently, I had never considered it possible that dwarves might be heartthrobs, much less be played by them. As much as the purist in me would deplore it, I have a sneaking admiration for PJ that he might actually pull it off and make a crowd of guys playing short, stocky, hairy men into the most eligible bachelors in Hollywood. Laugh


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A cold shower for Ms Silverlode please!


Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


debo
Rohan

Feb 12 2011, 7:49pm


Views: 2554
Yes I agree

"fanciable" dwarves had never occurred to me!!!! But of course this is the moviesWink

Frodo; "What I chiefly need now is courage . . ."


debo
Rohan

Feb 12 2011, 7:52pm


Views: 2673
Ha ha ha ha

love it!! Your stocks are bound to go upWinkWinkWink

Frodo; "What I chiefly need now is courage . . ."


Magpie
Immortal


Feb 12 2011, 8:05pm


Views: 2679
I think that's part of the fun

We would have been half expecting certain types of characters to be cast/portrayed such that they could be heartthrobs. But yeah... never saw it coming with the Dwarves.

And what I like about Richard is really his depiction of characters. I don't know a thing about him other than what I can guess by looking at him (I might be able to come within ten years of his age, for example). But I like the characters he portrays which I have to give him some credit for.

So now, we're getting this real, tangible sense that these Hobbit characters could be portrayed in ways we'll really enjoy. (Or at least I am) And conjuring up past throbbing heart moments with John Thornton doesn't hurt one bit in that growing sense. :-)


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Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Feb 12 2011, 8:08pm


Views: 2741
I'm a silent member of the club.

So silent nobody knows it. I've never been a public drooler or squee-er.

The comment Dr. Death was referring to is here. I think he's just been so overwhelmed by the newly-formed A-brigade that it's coloring his interpretation of all Armitage-centered comments. He may only just have realized that this is a femine board. Laugh

Actually, though, I was thinking just the other day that it had been a long while since we had a full-blown Estrogen Island around here. My amazing prophetic foresight tells me that it will likely return to its status as a regular tradition sometime in the coming months....

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


Magpie
Immortal


Feb 12 2011, 10:16pm


Views: 2670
I have to say

I had never detected any sense of a squee from you since I've known you and I wouldn't have in that post, either. :-)

It's hard to joke about stuff when people aren't well acquainted and have a good sense of someone's sense of humor. But I am always delightfully amused at another young male poster who kind of keeps asking us 'older' aunties (can't testify to the age of all of us) "just what is so special about this guy". Sometimes, girls just got to giggle. I do believe it raises endorphin levels or something.

I suppose a full blown Estrogen Island might actually scare some of newer members.


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mulubinba
Rivendell

Feb 12 2011, 10:55pm


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Yes, but.......

When Smaug took posession of Erebor, Thorin was only "a youngster in the reckoning of the Dwarves". - 24 years, so if they are going to show the sacking of Erebor, they might choose a younger actor for that scene.

My thoughts are that they might recreate part of the Battle of Azanulbizar where Thorin gets his name of Oakenshield. The Thorin (RA) in the press conference would be just the right age without make up for that battle.

He will need to be aged a bit more for the Quest but that shouldn't be too hard to do, imo. Smile


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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Feb 12 2011, 11:20pm


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A younger actor:

"When Smaug took possession of Erebor, Thorin was only "a youngster in the reckoning of the Dwarves". - 24 years, so if they are going to show the sacking of Erebor, they might choose a younger actor for that scene."
That is the point...they all ready have chosen a younger actor.


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ShireHorse
Rohan

Feb 12 2011, 11:34pm


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Does anyone think

that rather than tell the coming of Smaug as a flashback, PJ might begin the film wih this, then carry on with the Battle of Azanulbizar, then have the meeting between Thorin and Gandalf all as a continuous process happening within a relatively short amount of time rather than over a period of years and that is why he's chosen an actor to play Thorin who is middle-aged rather than young, as at the beginning of his story, or oldish, towards the end? And can I ask what the purists would think of such a time compression? My thoughts are that, dramatically, it fits better into a film rather than having people imagine that years have gone by.


mulubinba
Rivendell

Feb 12 2011, 11:39pm


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Great description of Thorin - thanks!


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On matters of Thorin's age- late middle-age is a good analogy. The thing about Thorin, is that much like Bilbo, he's reached an age where he must either fulfill his 'pipe dreams' or live out the rest of his days without achieving them. While Bilbo is on the cusp of going to seed and spending the rest of his days as an eccentric but respectable bachelor and country squire, Thorin is on the cusp of becoming too old to mete out any kind of vengeance on Smaug and reclaim the Lonely Mountain. There's a tragic futility to the character of Thorin. While we see Aragorn say to the kid at Helm's Deep 'There is always hope', Thorin is specifically identified as an heir without hope and so i'm hoping to see a rather melancholic and sympathetic vision of Thorin, resigned to at best a heroic and honourable death, but fearful (and suspicious) that Gandalf has just set him up for a humiliating and ignominious one- there's a great deal of pathos to be drawn from the character, and just as much as his dourness can make him defensive and aggressive, it should also show him as capable of sincere displays of wonderment and happiness- the moment where he recovers the Arkenstone should almost have the same effect on him as when Bilbo sees the ship at the grey havens at the end of LotR- the same wide-eyed wonderment and blissful happiness. It's a kind of scope that i fear someone as young, fit and virile as Richard Armitage won't be able to capture, where someone a bit more world-weary and 'past it' would (my first choice for Thorin was actually Anthony Hopkins) but if he can then he really will have proven himself.


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a flashback or prologue of Smaug's arrival at the Lonely Mountain, complete with a young Thorin....a Thorin who might look rather like RA does now.....


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Apologies for interrupting the flow of this thread, but thanks DrDeath for this description of Thorin.

As I wrote somewhere in the threads above, I think Armitage is too old to play young Thorin in a scene about the sacking of Erebor. Battle of Azanulbizar, a definite possibility. They can age him quite easily for the Quest.

I've watched Armitage's work and he is good at playing characters who have deep rooted emotional conflicts as a consequence of events in their pasts. I sense he enjoys being cast in roles where the characters are complex, often stern, even haughty on the one hand, but have another underlying, more compassionate, benevolent side to them. (Multi dimensional characters). He is the sort of actor that does a lot of research into the backstory of his characters so I have high hopes that he is going to do justice to Thorin. He's also been raised on Tolkien's writing which is re-assuring.

I guess, how he portrays Thorin will also depend on the script writers and Peter Jackson's interpretation of the character. Peter Jackson stated at one time that he felt Thorin was in "good hands" with Armitage. I'm inclined to agree with him the more I read about Thorin's past in the ROTK appendices and the description of his meeting with Gandalf in Unfinished Tales Smile


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duats
Grey Havens

Feb 12 2011, 11:47pm


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I don't think so

The Hobbit is about Bilbo Baggins, so the movie should open with him.


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ShireHorse
Rohan

Feb 12 2011, 11:56pm


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Well

just as FotR opened with a spectacle, I wondered if PJ would start TH with something similar. He's got two films and can afford a leisurely pace to tell the whole story properly. Going from dragon attacks and epic battles to the sleepy Shire will just make you more aware of what it is that Bilbo is being asked to undertake.


duats
Grey Havens

Feb 13 2011, 12:03am


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FoTR opened in a spectacle

Because the Prologue (especially the Last Alliance) was absolutely necessary. Such is not the case with The Hobbit. Flashbacks and/or dialogue from Thorin will suffice, just as it is in the book.

If we see Thorin and Gandalf meet, and then see the two of them planning the expedition, it ruins the surprise of thirteen dwarves showing up on Bilbo's doorstep.


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ShireHorse
Rohan

Feb 13 2011, 12:12am


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I suppose I find flashbacks

a bit corny and would rather have a chronological story. I always thought the flashback in TH spoiled the pace. But that's just me and I've got no strong feelings either way. The main thrust of my question was to ask if any purists would object to a time compression as regards the Thorin story.


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Feb 13 2011, 12:16am


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I think...

...we may end up getting one or two flashbacks, especially in the opening scenes with Bilbo and the Dwarves when Gandalf talks of Thrain II giving him the key and map.


bookgirl13
Lorien


Feb 13 2011, 7:05am


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RA and Tolkien


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I've watched Armitage's work and he is good at playing characters who have deep rooted emotional conflicts as a consequence of events in their pasts. I sense he enjoys being cast in roles where the characters are complex, often stern, even haughty on the one hand, but have another underlying, more compassionate, benevolent side to them. (Multi dimensional characters). He is the sort of actor that does a lot of research into the backstory of his characters so I have high hopes that he is going to do justice to Thorin. He's also been raised on Tolkien's writing which is re-assuring.


From what I've read and seen of Richard Armitage, I think you are right in your appreciation of the roles that he's played - or most of them. Playing Dawn French's boyfriend in The Vicar of Dibley was less multi-dimensional Wink.

As for his being raised on Tolkien, in a early interview given after the heady North and South days, he said that his favourite book was Lord of the Rings. Perhaps he will walk around the set with a battered copy of The Hobbit, making sure that all the right nuances will be there.

The Quest for Erebor, putting the tale of The Hobbit into the context of the wider politics of Middle-earth, shows quite clearly the arrogance and bombastic bluster of Thorin. It will be interesting to see if this side of him is played down in favour of more troubled, complex, brooding (which is easier to transform into 'heart throb' potentiality).


Kelvarhin
Half-elven


Feb 13 2011, 12:54pm


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Or


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I suppose a full blown Estrogen Island might actually scare some of newer members.


Drag a few more out of Lurkwood WinkLaugh

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dernwyn
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Feb 13 2011, 1:49pm


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Oh, my...

My dear Kel, I do believe you are indeed feeling much better! Laugh

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Magpie
Immortal


Feb 13 2011, 4:19pm


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Vicar of Dibley

as much as I enjoy both VoD and RA... I don't think it's the best showcase of RA's work. :-)

However, my favorite parts of VoD were always the 'joke' after the credits. And I think that last 'joke' of the series with RA's character added to the mix of the Vicar and Verger is absolutely perfect. (I could say absolutely fabulous but I haven't actually seen that show with French and Saunders)


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Vellamo
Rivendell


Feb 13 2011, 4:21pm


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Vellamo
Rivendell


Feb 13 2011, 5:00pm


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RA & comedy


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as much as I enjoy both VoD and RA... I don't think it's the best showcase of RA's work. :-)

I agree. It does still serve as a nice reminder of his comical competence for those of us who haven't got the chance to see him do stage roles.


Kelvarhin
Half-elven


Feb 14 2011, 4:53am


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*grins*

Oh Yeah!! WinkEvilAngelic

Done my bit, now it's up to the rest of the RAsGurls Wink

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