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Hollywood Reporter: Ian McKellen officially signed

duats
Grey Havens

Jan 10 2011, 11:38pm

Views: 3885

Hollywood Reporter: Ian McKellen officially signed

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Ian McKellen has signed on to return as wizard Gandalf in The Hobbit, the two-pic adaptation of the J.R.R. Tolkien novel being directed by Peter Jackson. The dealmaking on Hobbit for a slew of Jackson veterans from his Lord of the Rings trilogy has been coming fast and furious and comes on the heels of Andy Serkis finally inking his deal to reprise Gollum.

The Hobbit book introduced Gandalf and Gollum, with both characters going on to become part of literature’s most popular characters. Gandalf sets the adventure going in the story and appears throughout the novel. Gollum appears in a chapter that has gone on to be one of the most memorable in all of fantasy literature.

Elijah Wood signed his deal to return as Frodo last week, and Cate Blanchett will play Galadriel once again. Orlando Bloom has an offer to return as elf archer Legolas, though it’s too early to tell if a deal will be made. McKellen, who was nominated for an Oscar for his portrayal of Gandalf, has spent recent years doing mostly voice work for film and TV, although he did star in the remake of AMC's The Prisoner. His last major film role was in 2006’s X-Men: The Last Stand.

Hobbit starts shooting Feb. 14 in New Zealand.

SOURCE: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/...return-gandalf-69960

Owain
Tol Eressea

Jan 10 2011, 11:39pm

Views: 1431

AWESOME!!!

Yes! I was just posting about this.

Literally overjoyed!

Smile

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."

HiddenSpring
Lorien

Jan 10 2011, 11:40pm

Views: 1457

Woo-hoo

What a day! Gandalf and Gollum confirmed. Lee and Holm in negotiations.

Welcome back Sir Ian!

Owain
Tol Eressea

Jan 10 2011, 11:45pm

Views: 1406

Indeed! Welcome back Sir Ian McKellen.

I am soooo relieved. The article also states filming will begin on February 14th, 2011.

Awesome!!!

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."

duats
Grey Havens

Jan 10 2011, 11:50pm

Views: 1419

My reaction

http://www.joeydevilla.com/...e-not-the-father.gif

roäc
Bree

Jan 10 2011, 11:54pm

Views: 1316

Yes!!! Great news!

This is what I was waiting and hoping for all the time! Smile

Owain
Tol Eressea

Jan 10 2011, 11:58pm

Views: 1335

Nice... yeah that's pretty much how I felt.

This is main page news for sure! I sent the link to the mods and told them you posted the alert.

Smile

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."

adu
Bree

Jan 11 2011, 12:01am

Views: 1439

huh?

I guess I'm missing something...where does it say Lee is in negotiations?

Kindly post a link if there is one to confirm that.

Thanks

HiddenSpring
Lorien

Jan 11 2011, 12:02am

Views: 1412

It's a different article

http://www.deadline.com/2011/01/andy-serkis-signed-to-reprise-gollum-in-the-hobbit/

If you're redirected to another article, just go to "Film News". It goes something like:

"I'm told that Andy Serkis has closed his deal to bring back Gollum in The Hobbit, the two films that Peter Jackson will direct in New Zealand starting in February. Serkis will join returning cast members Cate Blanchett and Elijah Wood. Wood's participation was made official last week after Deadline first revealed his negotiations. According to sources, others who appeared in The Lord of the Rings poised to return at this point include Ian McKellen (who's still working out a deal to return as Gandalf in a major role), Christopher Lee is in talks to reprise the wizard Saruman, and Ian Holm to return as an older version of Bilbo Baggins (Martin Freeman is playing that title role in the two new movies). I've written in the past about a possible reprise of Orlando Bloom's Legolas, but it's unclear at this point if he'll be back."

(This post was edited by HiddenSpring on Jan 11 2011, 12:05am)

Donry
Tol Eressea

Jan 11 2011, 12:19am

Views: 1335

That's....

some good news. McKellan had me worried a bit there, all the talk earlier of him being involved before the green light. And then the greenlight and no announcement....waiting, waiting, waiting.....and finally! Good times. Serkis too....I guess there is nothing to worry about now........and that would be a bit of sarcasm thrown in there for a Monday.....

What's the matter, James? No glib remark? No pithy comeback?"

TheGoblinKing
Rohan

Jan 11 2011, 12:29am

Views: 1372

Ian Holm Is News

It be so great if he'd do the narration of the opening and Wood would say the final words in Narration. Ian McKellan and the rest had to sign by now if starting next month.

nobofthepony
Lorien

Jan 11 2011, 12:30am

Views: 1305

Most important role filled by the right person...!

I can breathe easy now, and I can handle recasting on any other character - but there's only ONE Gandalf!!!

Compa_Mighty
Tol Eressea

Jan 11 2011, 12:46am

Views: 1380

To be honest, I never doubted McKellen and Serkis would return...

But I am very happy to read about Mr. Lee and Mr. Holm.

So Hugo Weaving remains the prominent absent in all this talk!

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mulubinba
Rivendell

Jan 11 2011, 12:53am

Views: 1347

Wonderful news!!

I'm so glad Sir Ian and Andy Serkis are back Smile

Hamfast
Rohan

Jan 11 2011, 12:58am

Views: 1324

If you listen closely...

you can hear the huge sigh of relief coming from all the Tolkienites out there. Excellent news on a monday. I would also love to hear soon that Christopher Lee & Ian Holm will be back.

titanium_hobbit
Rohan

Jan 11 2011, 1:11am

Views: 1372

is Elrond the last major cross over character?

Come on, Hugo! sign sign sign!

Kangi Ska
Half-elven

Jan 11 2011, 1:17am

Views: 1311

I am with you on all counts.

I would have preferred a mostly independent telling of the Hobbit but If they can bring back the whole crew it will be better than just Frodo. I would not be surprised if they worked in the other three hobbits as well.

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
New Zealand is Middle-earth & today life is good.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

Garfeimao
Rohan

Jan 11 2011, 1:22am

Views: 1199

Huzzah, but I had little doubt it would happen (nt)

Peace, Love and Rock & Roll,

Garfeimao
The orange stripey One

Cruise to Middle-earth

Kangi Ska
Half-elven

Jan 11 2011, 1:23am

Views: 1317

For Elrond plan B is Paul Rubens (At least that is what I heard.) //

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
New Zealand is Middle-earth & today life is good.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

Elentari03
Rivendell

Jan 11 2011, 1:25am

Views: 1217

Big cheers!!

This is great news!

I do hope Hugo Weaving is back as well. I wonder why we have heard no mention of him.

titanium_hobbit
Rohan

Jan 11 2011, 1:34am

Views: 1281

ewww... //

Melkors_Wrath
Registered User

Jan 11 2011, 1:41am

Views: 1308

Hugo, Holm & Lee

As great as this is, I wish they would announce the cast in one shot. I really hope that by the end of the week we get an official announcement regarding Christopher Lee, Hugo Weaving and Ian Holm! Hopefully tomorrow. I would also like to see Michael Fassbender and David Tennant announced for roles. With filming almost a month away, this should be the week we get the whole cast confirmed.

Owain
Tol Eressea

Jan 11 2011, 1:58am

Views: 1208

Tequila!!!//

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."

Ethel Duath
Half-elven

Jan 11 2011, 2:15am

Views: 1159

*WHHEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! How do you* spell relief? ; ) //**

Pipe Dream
Gondor

Jan 11 2011, 2:30am

Views: 1179

I can now sleep easier!

Very good news about McKellen, Lee, Serkis and Holm! Only 20 days left until February. Smile

<<< There is a long road yet >>>

_V_
Lorien

Jan 11 2011, 2:37am

Views: 1010

The board is set, the pieces are moving

ReVolution of Evangelion

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Frodosfriend
Rivendell

Jan 11 2011, 2:38am

Views: 989

So I'm guessing this is reliable info?

The part about Chris Lee and Ian Holm? I didn't know what to think about Frodo being in it but if the older version of Bilbo (Holm) is in it too then it makes everything seem alright. Now I can't wait to see where they're going with this new turn events. Damn PJ is awesome.

peleowyn
Rivendell

Jan 11 2011, 2:54am

Views: 978

Such wonderful news!

It's so exciting to see all our old friends coming back ... and I just noticed that they start filming on - Valentine's day (!!) - that's great!

duats
Grey Havens

Jan 11 2011, 3:23am

Views: 952

Gandalf the Grey

I know that he and PJ preferred Gandalf the Grey (in terms of character). I'd have to agree, but I also preferred Gandalf the Grey in terms of appearance (wasn't a big fan of the look of Gandalf the White).

Gandalf the Grey, I think, gives McKellen more to work with as an actor - which in turn yields more interest. Gandalf the Grey has more human qualities than his White counterpart - especially when it comes to basic human weaknesses like memory loss, fatigue, and a quick temper.

I can't wait to get a second go-around of this particular Gandalf.

I just hope that we get a better beard. The beard in FoTR looked thin, scraggly, and (in my opinion) fake. I'd like to see a thicker one in The Hobbit.

Owain
Tol Eressea

Jan 11 2011, 3:26am

Views: 1019

Gandalf Speaks!

http://www.mckellen.com/cinema/hobbit-movie/

http://www.mckellen.com/cinema/index1.htm

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."

Owain
Tol Eressea

Jan 11 2011, 3:27am

Views: 1052

Here's the text of what he said.

All I had to decide was what to do with the time that is given me.

I’m 71 and fit: though at my age who knows what accident is 'round the next corner? For a year or more, I have been arranging my professional commitments around the possibility of The Hobbit films starting at almost anytime. We brought the Waiting for Godot tour of Australia to New Zealand early 2010, assuming I would stay on to start shooting soon after. Then there was yet another delay: but in Wellington I met with Guillermo del Toro and later read his script for Part One, written with the LOTR writing team. It was true to the style, the fun and the romance of the trilogy.

When Peter Jackson, already producing, resumed the director’s chair, he kept me in touch with developments. A second screenplay was sent over, on the understanding that I would not talk about what I read in it.

After the ruckus over trade union expectations and unlikely rumours of filming outside New Zealand, suddenly crucial casting was announced, plus a start date in February 2011. Martin Freeman as Bilbo sounds perfect. As my agent continued to negotiate with Warner Brothers, I kept wondering was Gandalf what I most wanted to do, more than a new play for instance or indeed a new part? Sequels aren’t necessarily as rewarding to act in as their originals.

Could I let Gandalf go? Would anyone else care if I did? Elsewhere, does anyone care that Michael Gambon was not the first to play Dumbledore?

The deciding negotiation was not about money but about dates. Gandalf is needed on set over the next 18 months but with sizeable breaks when I can work on other projects. My worry that I could not easily escape from Middle Earth was lifted.

I am happy to say I start filming in Wellington on February 21 2011.

--Ian McKellen, London, January 2011

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."

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Bree

Jan 11 2011, 3:59am

Views: 909

R-O-L-A-I-D-S//

Peek-A-Boo!

Compa_Mighty
Tol Eressea

Jan 11 2011, 4:08am

Views: 958

I agree with you as well...

I must say I am excited about the White Council, but not as much about forcing other characters like Frodo in. We'll have to see how it all turns out... let's hope The Hobbit is treated at least as The Hobbit + additions, rather than an extension of Lord of the Rings with -fortunately for profit- a dragon!

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Ethel Duath
Half-elven

Jan 11 2011, 4:18am

Views: 919

Which we all probably have felt the need of at times,

during this entire pre-film rollercoaster.

Let the games begin!! Smile

sphdle1
Gondor

Jan 11 2011, 4:26am

Views: 970

Awesome news...I hope they sign Ian Holm for at minimum...voice work! //

StarElf
Rohan

Jan 11 2011, 6:24am

Views: 836

Well, that's great news!

Nice to finally have it official!

Was the world being born what called me...?
At the bottom of the deep sea, I could hear a voice.

Nesse
Lorien

Jan 11 2011, 7:54am

Views: 822

Fantastic news!

Doriath
Rivendell

Jan 11 2011, 7:59am

Views: 811

Gandalf! Is it really you?

woooo hoooooooo!!!!!!

Gives it to us in glorious 2D!

Sunflower
Valinor

Jan 11 2011, 8:18am

Views: 857

Very interesting

The wording of the text. A lot can be read between the lines--it's a much different kind of announcement than the playful, delighed "I'm waiting for my call from Middle-earth" of some months ago.

1)His choice of opening statement. Can't help but think there's more to that than his most famous LOTR line. Thinking of Frod and Ring perhaps?

2)His mention of the script. Part One written by "Del Tor and the LOTR Team" and his reaction to it specifically, whereas he merely says "a second screenplay was sent to me." by Jackson. Second screenplay of what? The screenplay for Part 2? A Jackson re-write of Part 1, + A Jackson-written part 2? A total Jackson re-write of the whole thing? He doesn't give his reaction to the final draft/script. Recall that WB swiftly approved Part 1, while Part 2 took MUCH longer, during which G left.

3)He talks about "the pitfalls (or wehatever term he uses) of sequels." I can't believehe ever had a notion of this. How can he compare this to HP? Well...*I* certainly think Richard Harris will always BE Dumbledore! Did he ever think anyone else could be Gandalf!?!?

As for the rest--great news about Holm and OMG MY PRAYER--LEE!!!! Now I am biting my nails every DAY until I read, "Mr Lee has finished filming his scenes." At 90 anything can happen--a few weeks isn't that long a time, a few months. I HOPE TO GOD he has his stuff completed before April. PLease God...and let him live to see his completed work on the screen. You hear, Peter? No cutting this time around! Smile

This means the announcement of the Hobbit cast proper should be coming along VERY soon--please within the next 2 weeks! Most of the cast we still don't know! And if The Great Golblin or Necromancer in humanoid form is in there--well, is it still to ludicrous to hope a certain actor can play su`h a creature?:)

dormouse
Half-elven

Jan 11 2011, 8:30am

Views: 835

Today, life is good....

....and with Ian McKellen confirmed and hopes of hearing soon that Christopher Lee and Ian Holm are definitely cast the next one is Elrond. But I take hope from all these returning cast members and the fact that Peter Jackson said all along that he would bring back the original actors if he could.

Elrond.... Hugo Weaving..... please!

Bran
Lorien

Jan 11 2011, 9:49am

Views: 798

Brilliant, brilliant news

The best day since the green light, for me.

Mawr yw ein braint i berthyn i'r gwm Llynfi

grammaboodawg
Immortal

Jan 11 2011, 9:57am

Views: 775

WAHOOOOO!!!!!! AGAIN!!!!!

OMG! First news about Frodo and Now finalized Gandalf!!!!!! I knew Sir Ian wouldn't lwet us donw,nn.......

oh geeez this is all coming in flooods! *spins in chair!* FEBRUARY 14!!?? Valentines' DAY!

I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.

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(This post was edited by grammaboodawg on Jan 11 2011, 10:07am)

maut
Rivendell

Jan 11 2011, 10:02am

Views: 781

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!

It's time to celebrate!!!! I'm happy now!
Big Day! May be the biggest one since the movie was to stay in NZ.
Oh, I think I cannot write because of emotions....Ah, I've waited for it for so long and now that's it!

Far over the misty mountains cold

To dungeons deep and caverns old

We must away ere break of day

To seek the pale enchanted gold.
__________________________________
...and the sound of the kettle on his hearth was ever after more musical than it had been even in the quiet days before the Unexpected Party

________________________________
Welcome back to Middle-Earth!!!

grammaboodawg
Immortal

Jan 11 2011, 10:15am

Views: 863

bursts into tears Ok... that's enughh

Tooo much wonderful news in one go! IanHolm! OMG!! and Frodo! Maybe they'll do the Bilbo telling the story to Frodo (and other hobbits) scenerio I've hoped for!

Finally! Finally things are coimning together. i'm so happy!!

I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.

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macfalk
Valinor

Jan 11 2011, 10:43am

Views: 784

There is only one Gandalf in the world

Now I don't have to worry that I won't see the real Gandalf again during my lifetime before "checking out".

Sir Ian Holm? Andy Serkis? CHRISTOPHER LEE?

This better not be one of those dreams from Inception.
Laugh

('Bandwidth theft' logo removed.)

The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.

(This post was edited by Ataahua on Jan 11 2011, 7:09pm)

Vangalad
Lorien

Jan 11 2011, 11:31am

Views: 783

A wizard is never late,nor is he early...

He arrives precisely when he means to!
Cheers to Ian McKellen who joined, and also Andy Serkis,C.Lee,I.Holm,H.Weaving who may join as well!

And cheers to all torn users! Cool

All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

Pipe Dream
Gondor

Jan 11 2011, 11:54am

Views: 727

R-O-L-A-I-D-S

How do you spell relief? -Funny. Wink

<<< There is a long road yet >>>

belba
The Shire

Jan 11 2011, 1:07pm

Views: 699

so happy

excelent news

gilgalad80
The Shire

Jan 11 2011, 1:32pm

Views: 740

A wizard is never late..nor is he early.

Simply awesome. I had no doubt he would eventually be signed, but all the comotion did worry me a bit.

2012 can't come any sooner.. Geez I'm going to be 32. Shocked

Edit: Damm.. looks like someone beat me to my title..
Didn't mean to copy.

(This post was edited by gilgalad80 on Jan 11 2011, 1:35pm)

Bound
Rohan

Jan 11 2011, 1:37pm

Views: 673

really...

I got the impression you were young enough?? I'd imagine there will be a lord of the rings remake within 30 years :)

the man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed

pandoraziki
Rivendell

Jan 11 2011, 2:09pm

Views: 689

Happy Days

Great news all around. I hope sir Ian will have a blast playing Gandalf the Grey again.

Tim
Tol Eressea

Jan 11 2011, 2:20pm

Views: 767

Sir Ian McKellan to Hobbit production..

... "You... Shall Not... PASS!

... me by! I'm hopping on The Hobbit!"

He's made his entrance fashionably-late-but-on-time. Wink

Good, the man IS Gandalf.

King Arthur: Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: There are some who call me... Tim?

Hanzkaz
Rohan

Jan 11 2011, 2:40pm

Views: 723

Sir Ian McKellan to Hobbit production.

Agreed, Sir Ian IS Gandalf. The Hobbit wouldn't be the same without him.

I'd also like see Sir Christopher Lee back as 'Apparently Good' Saruman. That would have make the revelations about him in the LOTR even more shocking, particularly for anyone watching the films in their chronological order for the first time.

grammaboodawg
Immortal

Jan 11 2011, 3:01pm

Views: 758

He's always so generous

with how he talks about things. There are several little tidbits in this that just made me little heart jump!!! I'm so happy I could spit!

Bless 'im.

I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.

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DiveTwin
Rohan

Jan 11 2011, 3:22pm

Views: 652

Whew....

Great news.

"Do not come between the Nazgul and his prey"

nobofthepony
Lorien

Jan 11 2011, 3:35pm

Views: 752

reading between the lines...

Reading between the lines, it sounds like WB's "negotiators" made McKellen question if he wanted to come back at all.

I also wish he wouldn't compare his role to Dumbledore. Gandalf is THE wizard, Dumbledore is a cheap knock-off.

Bound
Rohan

Jan 11 2011, 3:47pm

Views: 718

Gandalf

Is no more original then Dumbeldore.

Most Wizards are based on Merlin.

the man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed

Finrod
Rohan

Jan 11 2011, 4:12pm

Views: 684

Gandalf is an Odinic wanderer

In Reply To

{Gandalf} is no more original then Dumbeldore.

Most Wizards are based on Merlin.

NB: Please don’t the start of your message in the Subject line, as it will be lost in replies.

Per his Letter #107, Tolkien himself thought of Gandalf as an Odinic wanderer, as in the Norse Eddas. There's also precedent to be found in the character Väinämöinen from the Finnish Kalevala. Look to those two sources, both very familiar to Tolkien, before haring off at low-flying merlins or bumbling dumbledores.

Back on topic, this article claims that Christopher Lee and Ian Holm have agreed to reprise their rôles in The Hobbit. There’s also mention of Liv Tyler and Hugo Weaving. And this article mentions not just a high salary for a brief cameo for Orlando Bloom, but also that Dominic Monaghan will appear.

I wouldn’t get too worked up over all this. Just wait and see.

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarﬁn and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151

while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311

Ainu Laire
Tol Eressea

Jan 11 2011, 4:18pm

Views: 657

Fantastic news!

Glad to hear both Serkis and McKellen are official.

Now I want to hear about Bard and Thranduil...

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Lord Maegmoth
The Shire

Jan 11 2011, 4:26pm

Views: 663

Mithrandir.....

Never had any doubt whichsoever that Sir Ian would return. He, irrefutably, would be Gandalf. Much as Sir Christopher would be Saruman. In my humble opinion, of course. Hopefully, the reports of Christopher Lee and Ian Holm being in the midst of negotiating a return to their respective roles in TH prove to be more than mere hearsay, and actually come to fruition. Indeed, it shall be something to savour if they are both to return. Much to look forward to.

No mention of Hugo Weaving? Rather odd, considering Elrond's relative prominence in TH. Perhaps he would be in the midst of negotiations as well. Rather furtive negotiations. And what of the characters of Bard the Bowman and Thranduil? Two rather pivotal roles for which no announcements have, at this stage, been forthcoming. Oh well, all shall be revealed within the next few weeks, of that much I would be certain.

Lindele
Gondor

Jan 11 2011, 5:15pm

Views: 648

WRONG

Gandalf is a far more complex, original, and profound character than Dumbledore. Just because Merlin exists does not mean that all wizard characters developed after are based on him.
I find very few similarities.
Though I would be willing to bet that Dumbledore was at least heavily inspired by Gandalf.

Bran
Lorien

Jan 11 2011, 5:48pm

Views: 659

I really do get annoyed

when I here people talking about Gandalf and Dumbledore. Over the years I've read many, many works of fantasy and none of them has ever touched the depth, complexity and beauty of Tolkien's work. I've nothing against Harry Potter, found the films quite entertaining, but they really are very, very shallow in comparison.

I really cannot ever see anyone ever managing to equal or surpass the work of Tolkien - it was his life,

Sorry.

Mawr yw ein braint i berthyn i'r gwm Llynfi

Lindele
Gondor

Jan 11 2011, 6:08pm

Views: 616

Agreed

Though I have read the Harry Potter series twice and fell in love with it, and Dumbledore is a great character. Just don't compare him to Gandalf!

Flagg
Tol Eressea

Jan 11 2011, 6:21pm

Views: 612

Yes!

Ian Holm and Christopher Lee are in negotiations? Fantastic news! I was worried about both of them, and it's great to get semi-confirmation of the return of both actors. I especially can't wait to see what Lee has in store for us... in The Hobbit he will finally get a chance to portray Saruman during his decline; his downfall... I'm sure it will be a much more interesting role than the one in Lord of the Rings. There should be a lot more to the character this time round.

Ian McKellen and Andy Serkis are signed? Well, okay. Good. I was 99% sure that both actors would be returning, so I'm not feeling any relief or surprise at this news – I had a mild 'yes!' moment for a second or two when I saw McKellen's name, but that's pretty much it. Now I just feel deeply contented...

nobofthepony
Lorien

Jan 11 2011, 6:24pm

Views: 633

same here

I enjoy the Harry Potter movies and all, but come on. Dumbledore is probably an homage to Gandalf (or Ian McKellen).

Flagg
Tol Eressea

Jan 11 2011, 6:40pm

Views: 619

Nah, Paul Reubens is too busy

he's working on a new Pee-wee film with Judd Apatow (seriously).

Flagg
Tol Eressea

Jan 11 2011, 6:44pm

Views: 656

The Gandalf/Dumbledore parallel is exaggerated

They really aren't similar characters if you look beyond a superficial level (both are old men with beards and they can do magic). Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows goes to great lengths to flesh out Dumbledore's character via flashbacks and so on, and there really isn't much in common with Olórin there...

Twit
Lorien

Jan 11 2011, 6:46pm

Views: 635

Thranduil

You don't 'spose they're going to replace Thranduil with Legolas do you?

Bombatones
The Shire

Jan 11 2011, 6:56pm

Views: 615

*"taptaptap* Hugo Weaving? Paging Mr. Hugo Weaving! Mr. Weaving, please report to Rivendell ASAP."//**

Bran
Lorien

Jan 11 2011, 6:59pm

Views: 594

Yes please!

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I especially can't wait to see what Lee has in store for us... in The Hobbit he will finally get a chance to portray Saruman during his decline; his downfall... I'm sure it will be a much more interesting role than the one in Lord of the Rings. There should be a lot more to the character this time round.

I agree very strongly. I know there are a lot of people around here who want to see The Hobbit, The Whole Hobbit and Nothing But The Hobbit, but I'm all for seeing more Saruman stuff, and the rest of the White council too. That whole part of the tale sets the scene for what happens in later films so well.

Mawr yw ein braint i berthyn i'r gwm Llynfi

Finrod
Rohan

Jan 11 2011, 7:01pm

Views: 617

Battling with Dumbledores

In Reply To

I enjoy the Harry Potter movies and all, but come on. Dumbledore is probably an homage to Gandalf (or Ian McKellen).

There was a merry passenger,
a messenger, a mariner:
he built a gilded gondola
to wander in, and had in her
a load of yellow oranges
and porridge for his provender;
he perfumed her with marjoram
and cardamom and lavender.

...

He battled with the Dumbledores,
the Bumbles, and the Honeybees,
and won the Golden Honeycomb;
and running home on sunny seas
in ship of leaves and gossamer
with blossom for a canopy,
he polished up, and furbished up,
and burnished up his panoply.

...

“Errantry”, J.R.R. Tolkien 1933

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarﬁn and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151

while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311

Flagg
Tol Eressea

Jan 11 2011, 7:04pm

Views: 585

I choose to believe

that this is a poem about Beorn battling bees for honey.

Flagg
Tol Eressea

Jan 11 2011, 7:08pm

Views: 669

When I read that line

I panicked for just a fraction of a second. I hate it when great things – like Christopher Lee returning – turn out to be dreams. I usually wake up when I say to myself 'This is too good to be true, perhaps it's a dream'. So if this was indeed a dream, I probably would have awakened as soon as I read that sentence and contemplated it...

Quote

This better not be one of those dreams from Inception.

shadowdog
Rohan

Jan 11 2011, 7:23pm

Views: 562

Hey

I'm about to be 68. Talk about getting nervous with every delay. Crazy

(This post was edited by shadowdog on Jan 11 2011, 7:31pm)

nobofthepony
Lorien

Jan 11 2011, 8:07pm

Views: 543

!!!

So is "dumbledore" a real word or did Tolkien coin it?!

dormouse
Half-elven

Jan 11 2011, 8:20pm

Views: 611

It's a real word........

... an English dialect word for a bee based on Old German. Used in some Victorian poems.

Finrod
Rohan

Jan 11 2011, 8:39pm

Views: 610

dumble=bumble, dor=bee

In Reply To

So is "dumbledore" a real word or did Tolkien coin it?!

Although those are by no mean mutually exclusive categories, in this case we find citations of the word dating at least back into the 1700s.

Dumbledore derives from dumble-, which in insect names alternates as a prefix with things like bumble- and humble-, and from dor, meaning a buzzing bee or fly.

One can find a dumble bee citation from the 1500s, while dor (or dorr) dates back to the very start of the Anglo-Saxon period, appearing in the Épinard Glossary from about 700.

It’s like the old names for a spider, cob or lob, that Tolkien uses, or even orc for demon and ent for giant, among many others. Those all come out of Middle English or before.

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarﬁn and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151

while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311

Bound
Rohan

Jan 11 2011, 8:52pm

Views: 602

Careful with your Wrong and Rights..

I don't consider Gandalf more complex or profound then Dumbeldore. I'm not in any way a potter fan - in fact i have many an issue with the series on whole but I think Dumbeldore deserves a little more respect than you seem to give him.

the man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed

Flagg
Tol Eressea

Jan 11 2011, 8:59pm

Views: 562

I think it's Old English for 'bumblebee'

or something like that. I read so on a Harry Potter site years ago.

Lindele
Gondor

Jan 11 2011, 9:07pm

Views: 583

Thanks, but

I'm confident in my "wrong" statement. I'm a HUGE Harry Potter fan but Dumbledore is definitely less profound and complex. He's still a great character, just nothing compared to Gandalf. Sorry.

Bound
Rohan

Jan 11 2011, 9:13pm

Views: 581

There really isn't a wrong and Right..

I wasn't going to respond because my orignal comment was a throw away thought but you've poked me...

Your entitled to your opinon but I don't believe one person opinons is right or wrong. It's a view on a matter after all.

My original comment was merely suggesting that I don't think Dumbeldore was a rip off ... that is all.

the man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed

Finrod
Rohan

Jan 11 2011, 9:30pm

Views: 599

Dumbledore is Modern English, not Old

In Reply To

Improper text-as-subject not inserted or something like that. I read so on a Harry Potter site years ago.

No, that’s not correct. Dumbledor(e) was used in the 18th and 19th centuries, with just a bit in the 20th. It still may exist as a regionalism. That’s is not “Old English”!

Old English was from around 700–1150 AD, with Middle English running about 1150–1470. Even Early Modern English ran only from 1470–1650 or so.

Dumbledore has only been attested in Modern English. It was around plenty during the 19th century — which nobody but nobody would call Old English. It is Modern English, and not even Early.

The dor(r) component is indeed from Old English, but that’s all.

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarﬁn and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151

while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311

Kangi Ska
Half-elven

Jan 11 2011, 9:49pm

Views: 583

I know.

I am fond of Pee Wee.

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
New Zealand is Middle-earth & today life is good.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

Kangi Ska
Half-elven

Jan 11 2011, 10:00pm

Views: 551

But it is a good dream...//

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
New Zealand is Middle-earth & today life is good.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

Kangi Ska
Half-elven

Jan 11 2011, 10:05pm

Views: 539

When I'm 64..

When I get old and I'm loosing my hair just two years from now. Will you be sending me a valentine, birthday greeting , bottle of wine?

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
New Zealand is Middle-earth & today life is good.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

Kangi Ska
Half-elven

Jan 11 2011, 10:07pm

Views: 542

Too Oedipal...//

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
New Zealand is Middle-earth & today life is good.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

Kangi Ska
Half-elven

Jan 11 2011, 10:09pm

Views: 526

But

How are they going to get him off that big spiky wheel thingie?

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
New Zealand is Middle-earth & today life is good.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

Flagg
Tol Eressea

Jan 11 2011, 10:17pm

Views: 523

CGI? //

nobofthepony
Lorien

Jan 12 2011, 12:27am

Views: 561

okaaaay

Is it just your opinion that there's no wrong or right, or is it your opinion that your right and we're wrong?

Either way, it's still just opinion. Yes, my opinion is still just an opinion, but it's equally valid as yours' - since all we both have is opinions.

But mine's better ;-)

nobofthepony
Lorien

Jan 12 2011, 12:29am

Views: 501

You're amazing Finrod...

Who are you, the Tolkien Professor???

Kangi Ska
Half-elven

Jan 12 2011, 12:36am

Views: 521

So, what is the difference between an orange? //

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
New Zealand is Middle-earth & today life is good.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

Oiotári
Tol Eressea

Jan 12 2011, 3:48am

Views: 510

I don't see it as a comparison between wizards

but rather a comparison between the actors' situations

The wide world is all about you:
you can fence yourselves in, but you cannot for ever fence it out

You can only come to the morning through the shadows

Kangi Ska
Half-elven

Jan 12 2011, 3:52am

Views: 619

I really like them both.

Especially in the books,

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
New Zealand is Middle-earth & today life is good.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

Oiotári
Tol Eressea

Jan 12 2011, 3:53am

Views: 516

Did I really not check the frontpage yesterday?

Wow, I missed a lot... a lot of great news Laugh

*does a little jig around the room*

The wide world is all about you:
you can fence yourselves in, but you cannot for ever fence it out

You can only come to the morning through the shadows

Kangi Ska
Half-elven

Jan 12 2011, 3:55am

Views: 509

Yah and now you have a few posts to catch up on.//

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
New Zealand is Middle-earth & today life is good.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

Oiotári
Tol Eressea

Jan 12 2011, 4:32am

Views: 484

just a few

I don't often have time to check TH boards (I don't really have the time now, I should be reading for class), so the new posts just keep piling up, and up and up

It was less than 1000 new posts on my counter today though, which is nothing compared to the 10,000 that it read after a month of practically no TORn at all due to schoolwork Shocked

The wide world is all about you:
you can fence yourselves in, but you cannot for ever fence it out

You can only come to the morning through the shadows

macfalk
Valinor

Jan 12 2011, 2:43pm

Views: 473

Ouch:

Yeah I know the feeling, I was out of town for a day or two, and spent the following day plowing through all the new unread posts Laugh

The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.

Mithrandír
Lorien

Jan 12 2011, 9:11pm

Views: 452

The world has gone back to normal

Gandalf is Ian and Ian is Gandalf, simple really.

Social Science's biggest problem, is social science.

"The ring has awoken. It's heard its masters call"

AinurOlorin
Half-elven

Jan 12 2011, 10:40pm

Views: 429

Way to channel my thoughts, Duats

I love you for this. II am not alone and neither are you. I feel exactly the same. Add to this a proper display of his laming blue enchantments this time around, and you won't hear much in the way of complaints from me (well, maybe the occassional Glorfindel gripe, but nothing else! lol).
I too want the beard at maximum full. I never thought it looked fake, but there were points at which it seemed to straggely (and of course, in The White incarnation it was just way too damned unacceptably short!). I think when catches and embraces Frodo in FOTR, when he first comes through The Door and stoops to inspect the Ring where Bilbo has left it lying upon the floor of Bag End ( as well as during most of his conversation with Bilbo about The Ring), and when he is cautioning Saruman against using The Pallantir, in those instances his beard looks the best, and I would be comfortable with the appearance if it met that standard throught The Hobbit.

In Reply To

I know that he and PJ preferred Gandalf the Grey (in terms of character). I'd have to agree, but I also preferred Gandalf the Grey in terms of appearance (wasn't a big fan of the look of Gandalf the White).

I can't wait to get a second go-around of this particular Gandalf.

I just hope that we get a better beard. The beard in FoTR looked thin, scraggly, and (in my opinion) fake. I'd like to see a thicker one in The Hobbit.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

Rivendweller
Lorien

Jan 16 2011, 11:41pm

Views: 437

Gandalf, I'm glad you're back. //

There's something of everything here, The Shire and the Golden Wood and Gondor and kings' houses and inns and meadows and mountains all mixed.

....and there are Elves when you want them.
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Formerly A'amel from days gone by.