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Press Release from New Line/Warner Bros.: OSCAR WINNER PETER JACKSON TO DIRECT "THE HOBBIT" IN TWO INSTALLMENTS



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spymaster@theonering.net

Oct 15 2010, 9:03pm


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Press Release from New Line/Warner Bros.: OSCAR WINNER PETER JACKSON TO DIRECT "THE HOBBIT" IN TWO INSTALLMENTS

OSCAR WINNER PETER JACKSON TO DIRECT "THE HOBBIT" IN TWO INSTALLMENTS
Peter Jackson Set to Direct J.R.R Tolkien's "The Hobbit" In a Two-Part 3D Production of Extraordinary Scope


(Los Angeles, October 15, 2010) The two films based on "The Hobbit" are now greenlit and will begin principal photography in February 2011, under the direction of Peter Jackson, it was jointly announced today by Toby Emmerich, President and Chief Operating Officer, New Line Cinema, Alan Horn, President and Chief Operating Officer, Warner Bros. and Steve Cooper, co-Chief Executive Officer of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Inc..

"Exploring Tolkien's Middle-earth goes way beyond a normal film-making experience" Jackson says, "It's an all-immersive journey into a very special place of imagination, beauty and drama. We're looking forward to re-entering this wondrous world with Gandalf and Bilbo - and our friends at New Line Cinema, Warner Brothers and MGM".

"Peter is a filmmaker of incomparable ability; having him return to Middle-earth to produce and direct is a dream come true. A true original, Peter is a gifted story-teller, visionary director and pioneer in film technology," said Emmerich. "Reuniting with Peter, Fran and Philippa truly makes it feel like we are going 'there and back again'."

"There is no human being on the planet as qualified as Peter Jackson to direct these films," said Horn. "Peter is incredibly talented and has the creative vision and experience to bring this beloved property to life in a way that no other filmmaker could. And the team of Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens has proven through their work on the 'Lord of the Rings' trilogy that no one is more skilled at transforming Tolkien's written words into a vibrant, living language that makes the audience believe they are not merely visiting Middle-earth, but actually living in it. We couldn't be more thrilled and look forward to seeing "The Hobbit" take shape under Peter's stewardship and the team he is putting together."

"MGM is excited to move forward and add to the successful 'Lord of the Rings' franchise," said Cooper. "Under Peter's direction, the films will undoubtedly appeal to fans of the original 'LOTR' trilogy and also bring the stories to a new generation of fans."

Jackson, who directed all three "Lord of the Rings" films, will helm the two films back-to-back, telling the story of "The Hobbit" in two parts. Jackson will utilize groundbreaking visual effects and his incomparable story-telling to bring J.R.R. Tolkien's novel to the big screen. Both Hobbit movies will be filmed in Digital 3-D, using the latest camera and stereo technology to create a high quality, comfortable viewing experience. Jackson also co-wrote the screenplays with Fran Walsh, Phillipa Boyens and Guillermo del Toro.

"The Hobbit" is being co-produced by New Line Cinema and MGM, with New Line managing production, Warner Bros Pictures handling domestic distribution and MGM distributing internationally. Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh and Carolynne Cunningham are producing the films, with Phillipa Boyens as co-producer and Ken Kamins as executive producer.

The Oscar-winning, critically acclaimed LOTR trilogy grossed nearly $3 billion worldwide at the box office. In 2003, "Return of the King" swept the Academy Awards, winning all of the 11 categories in which it was nominated, including Best Picture - the first ever Best Picture win for a fantasy film. The trilogy's production was also unprecedented at the time.

ABOUT NEW LINE CINEMA:
New Line Cinema continues to be one of the most successful independent film companies. For more than 40 years, its mission has been to produce innovative, popular, profitable entertainment in the best creative environment. A pioneer in franchise filmmaking, New Line produced the Oscar®-winning "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy, which is a landmark in the history of film franchises. New Line Cinema is a division of Warner Bros.

ABOUT PETER JACKSON/WINGNUT FILMS:
Peter Jackson is one of the world's most successful filmmakers. His monumental achievement co-writing, co-producing and directing The Lord of the Rings trilogy (with fellow Academy Award winners and frequent collaborators Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens) earned a total of 30 Academy Award nominations and 17 Academy Awards. Jackson and Walsh received their first Oscar nomination for Best Original Screenplay for their acclaimed film Heavenly Creatures. Jackson, through his New Zealand-based Wingnut Films banner, also was responsible for the globally successful 2005 remake of King Kong which earned over $500 million worldwide and 3 Academy Awards. Jackson most recently directed the Academy Award nominated The Lovely Bones; an adaptation of the acclaimed best-selling novel by Alice Sebold, which to date has earned nearly $100 million worldwide; and produced the global sensation, District 9, which received an Academy Award nomination for Best Picture. He is also developing a trilogy of films with Steven Spielberg based on Tintin, the world renowned comic book series by Herge. In 2010 he received a Knighthood for his services to film.

ABOUT METRO-GOLDWYN-MAYER STUDIOS INC.
Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. is actively engaged in the worldwide production and distribution of motion pictures, television programming, home video, interactive media, music, and licensed merchandise. The company owns the world's largest library of modern films, comprising around 4,100 titles. Operating units include Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc., Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Pictures Inc., United Artists Films Inc., MGM Television Entertainment Inc., MGM Networks Inc., MGM Distribution Co., MGM International Television Distribution Inc., Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Home Entertainment LLC, MGM ON STAGE, MGM Music, MGM Consumer Products and MGM Interactive. In addition, MGM has ownership interests in domestic and international TV channels reaching over 130 countries. For more information, visit www.mgm.com.

(This post was edited by Silverlode on Oct 16 2010, 4:39am)


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Oct 16 2010, 2:16am


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THANK GOD!!!

YES!!!SmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmile Finally!

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One Ringer
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 2:17am


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"In a hole in a ground..."

Fantastic news! This is what I needed to end the day. Looking forward to the coming months and seeing what Pete and Co. will bring us this time. Smile

"Welcome. Wilkommen to Kino Das Bang Bang Boom Boom 1970 Gjong Hai Ich Habe Diese Nacht Wilkommen, 2004."


Sunflower
Valinor

Oct 16 2010, 2:29am


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WHERE...

IS IT GOING TO BE FILMED, DANGIT?!?! (and yes, I am "screaming" in caps)...

THIS ANNOUNCEMENT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO ME, UNTIL IT IS CONFIRMED THAT THE HOBBIT IS BEING FILMED 100% in NZ (WELL, ACTUALLY ALMOST 100%, WITH ANY OF CHRISTOPHER LEE"S WORK IN ENGLAND BEING THE EXCEPTION, IF HE IS ONBOARD IN AnY WAY.)

The absence of a location spot in this press release is conspicuous, given current events. COULDN'T YOU FOLKS AT THE STUDIOS WAIT JUST ANOTHER WEEK TO SORT THAT OUT BEFORE DUMPING THIS ON US? WHY DID YOU HAVE TO ANNOUNCE NOW? I could easily have waited another week... and what would it have cost you? Nothing.

ARE WE BEING PREPARED FOR A HEARTBREAKING DISAPPOINTMENT HERE?? A spoonful of sugar, to make the bitter go down sweet? Well, I'm not having it, and I hope you haven't used Peter in any way, to get YOUR way......I'm waiting for HIS word on this all-important subject.

After 6 yrs of heartbreak, excuse this fan if she is not exactly jumping up and down for joy... I'm not fooled so easily.

*out*


(This post was edited by Sunflower on Oct 16 2010, 2:37am)


Lindele
Gondor

Oct 16 2010, 2:47am


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I completely understand

where you are coming from. If The Hobbit wasn't created in NZ it would be bitterly heartbreaking. However, today is a milestone. We fans have suffered so much over the last 7 years, wondering and fearing for this project. Today we received the second best news imaginable. THAT IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND PJ IS DIRECTING!!!!!!!!!!!!! We must be thankful!!!!! True, hearing it will also film in NZ would be the BEST possible news. But this is pretty @%#&$ good!!!!!!!!!! We've gotta take what we can get and we are already getting close to the best! THANK YOU theonering.net for all of your help and faithful support of this project!!! You will always be my number one source for everything Tolkien/Jackson!!!!!! Go Wingnut!!! Go New Line! Go WB and MGM!!!! You guys are about to make history!!!!...again!!!!!!!


Kelvarhin
Half-elven


Oct 16 2010, 2:52am


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YES!!!!!



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Owain
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 2:59am


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This is great news!

Congratulations to Peter Jackson and his team. Best of luck to New Zealand as the choice for filming location.Smile

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Finding Frodo
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 3:02am


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COWABUNGA! *does cannonball*

That was me doing a celebratory leap into the Long Lake.Cool

Where's Frodo?


Solos
The Shire

Oct 16 2010, 3:46am


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There are no words....

Nothing can express the joy flowing through me right now!!! I couldn't care less about 3D and I do hope it's shot in NZ, but as long as I get to be transported back into the world of Middle-Earth who cares!!!SmileSmileSmileSmileSmile


rings7
Rohan


Oct 16 2010, 3:47am


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FINALLY!!!

LOVE IT!!!


TolkienOtaku
Rivendell


Oct 16 2010, 3:49am


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I must share this news with the world!

*runs off to the Tolkien fashion thread on Gaia Online*

So many are still waiting for their new beginning. Their birth by sleep. Even me, and even you.


Oscarilbo
Lorien


Oct 16 2010, 3:57am


Views: 3688
Well...

NOW WE ARE IN A NEW GROUND! FINALLY... CONGRATS TO SIR. PETER JACKSON, HIS WHOLE TEAM and TO ALL OF YOU GUYS!

"The World is Changed, I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air"


Sunflower
Valinor

Oct 16 2010, 4:16am


Views: 3740
And I completely understand...

where you and everyone else is coming from, but I can't help but feel that we are being very cleverly manipulated like slavering Pavlov dogs here.

How quickly our dances of joy will turns to howls of shock and outrage (or many of us, anyway, if not everybody,..but certainly a LOT of folks would be less than happy) if WB followed this announcement with a change of location. (whether planned all along or not. They'd want to wait a discreet week untilall the globe had hads time to absorb this..then the clock will be ticking on Peter.

Someone mentioned that they picked up from the press release that WB never intended to have anyone else other than Peter direct. And the more I read the release, the more I am bothered by this. They could have tossed the man a feeble bleating bone, Alan Horn offering up something like this: "While we appreciate all the time and effort Guillermo piut into this project during his two years spent in NZ..." etc. But no, instead he is ceremoniously tossed into the dustbin of history, with only sa fleeting mention.

This is even more jarring in light of the fact that Del Toro's latest project, a film he was producing called "Don't Be Afraid Of The Dark," has been suddenly and very unceremoniouly dumped by Disney at the very literal; eve of when that studio was due to begin marketing it. G has been devestated by this, and has made no attempt to hide it. The film is now stuck in limbo pending the sale of Mirimax.

So between that and this lovely press release, it's a glorious two-fingered salute--one finger per hand, one hand for each studio---to Guillermo Del Toro.
.

They'd never do things like that to Peter Jackson--or maybe they are in the process of doing it.

I can only hope that the premature release of this official greenlight was done with Peter's willing, *uncoerced* permission, either as a sign that the union dispute is indeed on the verge of resolvement, or last-ditch as a way of pressuring the unions to get their act together NOW...and not asa sign of defeat from him that the production is indeed moving on to other places, and they're using our ecsastic response as a way of blackmailing him to "accept the inevitable."

"Everything is set to go, and the fans are eager. Come on, Peter, no use in not being a gentleman and a team player. You wouldn't want to let your fans down, now would you?"

There is a certain film I am thinking of now, reading this, a film I am going to watch...and it is not Lord of the Rings. Nor is it anyhting of Del Toro's. ..


(This post was edited by Sunflower on Oct 16 2010, 4:24am)


Eldameldo
Bree


Oct 16 2010, 4:17am


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Doing the happy Hobbit dance!!

Best news ever! Need a glass of wine to celebrate!
Cool


verityfate
The Shire

Oct 16 2010, 4:29am


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YEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS

no words. no words whatsoever.

I can't wait to be watch everything unfold, as I was too young for LotR.

*crosses fingers for nz location*


duats
Grey Havens

Oct 16 2010, 4:31am


Views: 3690
Yeah


In Reply To
Someone mentioned that they picked up from the press release that WB never intended to have anyone else other than Peter direct. And the more I read the release, the more I am bothered by this. They could have tossed the man a feeble bleating bone, Alan Horn offering up something like this: "While we appreciate all the time and effort Guillermo piut into this project during his two years spent in NZ..." etc. But no, instead he is ceremoniously tossed into the dustbin of history, with only sa fleeting mention.

I mentioned this in another thread. While I am happy about the greenlight, certain comments from the execs bothered me. Especially the one where they said Jackson was the only man for the job. Did they forget that they had an Academy-Award-nominated director working on this project for two years? It's like Del Toro was never even on board at all.

I was ecstatic when Del Toro was signed. When Jackson said he wouldn't be returning to the director's chair, Del Toro was who I wanted. The man is a master of his craft, and has a truly unique eye for fantasy. It was a marriage made in heaven, as far as I was concerned. So people will have to pardon me for being so troubled by this. I understand PJ delivered a financially and critically successful trilogy. But give GDT his due credit, please.


(This post was edited by duats on Oct 16 2010, 4:34am)


Sunflower
Valinor

Oct 16 2010, 4:46am


Views: 3676
Thank you

And so you get the feeling now that maybe just as they wanted the "blockbuster franchise guy" for the job, (as opposed to the other Oscar-winner director) adn were willing to (perhaps) manipulate the chips--and oh so patiently, for years--tighening the thumbscrews on Del Toro, perhaps, to pressure him into quitting---even willing to go to the lengths of pulling him off a *Stepehn Spielberg collaberation*--they knew full well the possibilty of a schedule conflict?

Perhaps they foget the example of Irvin Kershner. But that's right, it took over a decade for TESB to be properly appreciated by fans and critics.


So who';s to say, then, that Kangi isn'r right and they've had a non-NZ scenario in the works all along, b/c if the production stays in NZ it will give Peter too much power and control over the production? We've seen he has already lost 2 key battles: the 3D battle, and let's not forget, he had no input whatsover on the LOTR theatrical Blu-Ray release.

What other compromises in quality and control is Peter going to be forced to make (and we fans accept)?

Think about it: they'd want to cut himn down to size. No lawsuits against *WB* for "studio accounting" for TH!

*Ph boy..I must leave before I jump the gun, reveal the film I am watching, and speak my true thoughts....but glad to see there is another healthy skeptic here. We can hang out here and wait for the other shoe to drop....while the (hopefully not misguided) party goes on.

I am hoping the news will be decent. I cannot say "good" b/c too much has been lost already, at the cost of so much heartbreak for so many talwnted people, Some of whiom would have joined us at the boards on TORN. One or two still might, if they are involved...

I had better turn back to what I am watching now, and continie to write the essay that is pending TORN in my head. It's been brewing for a week now...


(This post was edited by Sunflower on Oct 16 2010, 4:51am)


Lindele
Gondor

Oct 16 2010, 4:51am


Views: 3675
Well...

I was not insinuating that I don't appreciate del toro. like you, I was ecstatic when he was the first choice when Jackson didn't want the job. Of course I always wanted Jackson the most, in the back of my mind.
When stating your concern about the studio execs comments about always wanting Jackson, You must remember that Del Toro was on board long before alot of those execs were around. Back before MGM went bankrupt. When WB took over, I am sure that they would have prefered a bigger name than Del Toro to lead this $500 million project. Of course his films are good, and popular, but they have nowhere near the draw that Jacksons films do. Studios like big names when dishing out big money.
If Del Toro was secretly booted, then I am sorry. That would be unfair. But I don't believe that. I think he needed to move on from a potentially stale project. And that tells me he wasn't the man for the job. PJ and team has Tolkiens work imbedded deep into their hearts, and they needed to see this through. They have invested so much into this world, and have diligently been there for the fans. This was always meant to be their project, and legacy.
If The Hobbit production moves away from NZ, I will cry for at least a week. But I will find comfort in knowing that whatever happens, Wingnut films is in control, and I know I can trust them. And boy have they earned that trust.


Owain
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 5:00am


Views: 3708
Another perspective - I don't see this as much Pavlovian conditioning but more Public Relations...

for a film mired in negativity. Perhaps the studio is getting behind it's writer/producer that is now the director. He is the only one that has been there and will now seemingly, go back again.

Don't misunderstand - I hope that Guillermo Del Toro will receive his due. He will be credited as a co-writer. It remains to be seen how much of his work will survive and make it's way into the final films.

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Kelvarhin
Half-elven


Oct 16 2010, 5:03am


Views: 3709
Hey Sunny

have you seen this report, from the LA Times

'The Hobbit' finally escapes the trolls

Found this little bit interesting
Smile

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Production on the first film starts in February in New Zealand (again, pending that labor issue). The second gets shot right after, or even overlaps a little with it, and the movies would hit theaters in December of 2012 and 2013.



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duats
Grey Havens

Oct 16 2010, 5:03am


Views: 3681
Final thoughts on GDT


In Reply To
But I don't believe that. I think he needed to move on from a potentially stale project. And that tells me he wasn't the man for the job. PJ and team has Tolkiens work imbedded deep into their hearts, and they needed to see this through. They have invested so much into this world, and have diligently been there for the fans. This was always meant to be their project, and legacy.

I don't mean to turn this into a GDT-PJ debate, so this will be my last post on the issue.

I remember back when Del Toro signed, he and PJ held an online chatroom where they answered questions concerning The Hobbit. I remember reading GDT's comments, and seeing how committed and focused he was on this project. Just hearing him discuss the thematic aspects of Bilbo's journey left no doubt in my mind that he "got" it. He was even going to include the talking animals, and show off more of Gandalf's magical nature. I'm sure TORN has a transcript of chat somewhere. If you haven't read it, I strongly encourage it.

At the end of the day, the man put his other projects on the back-burner, relocated across the world, and poured two years of his life into developing these movies. If that doesn't show committment and passion for Tolkien's work, I don't know what does.


(This post was edited by duats on Oct 16 2010, 5:07am)


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 16 2010, 5:06am


Views: 3719
Since when

has an official studio announcement of a film/director ever been less than glowing, even for films doomed from the beginning, that turned out to be bonafide turkeys? GDT has been out of the project for months now (an absolute eternity in studio-time), and it's not the Hollywood way to acknowledge anything other than the present moment, or that they ever meant to do anything other than they're doing now. Of course, we love GDT and we acknowledge him, but I'm not at all surprised the suits want to pretend than none of the near-disasters of the past few years ever happened. Put on the big happy face and smile for the camera everyone! Tongue

Honestly, they probably always did want PJ to direct. So did most fans, including a large number of regulars here at TORN, if you remember. If you don't remember, do a search here on the boards and see how many posts there were, ranting and wailing that if PJ wasn't directing the movies they wouldn't be worth watching. When he announced he wasn't going to, many people were very upset, even to the verge of panic. It took a while for a lot of people to get used to the idea of GDT. And once we got used to the idea and got to know him, most of us were very happy again. And then we lost him, and we were very sad. Again. And now we're readjusting to what we originally wanted. And most of us will be happy. Again.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories

(This post was edited by Silverlode on Oct 16 2010, 5:07am)


duats
Grey Havens

Oct 16 2010, 5:11am


Views: 3736
As far as the 3D issue goes

I doubt they forced Jackson to do it. Remember, the suits wanted Jackson for the directing job. Jackson was content to give it to someone else. If he was 100% against filming in 3D, I'm sure he wouldn't have agreed to it. I doubt the studios would risk him walking away.

We've come a long way since 2008, when Jackson and Del Toro said "no" to 3d outright. Since then, Weta stunned the world with its 3D work on Avatar, and it is currently working away on a 3D Tintin film. I wouldn't be surprised if Jackson saw the work they've been doing on Tintin and started warming up to the idea.


Owain
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 5:12am


Views: 3671
It does show commitment...

but he walked away - reluctantly and with great personal pain - of his own volition. I am a huge fan of GDT and was very sad to see him go. But I am also a Peter Jackson fan and admire his tenacity and endurance to stick with the project no matter how tough it got. I understand why GDT moved on and it is probably for the better. Hopefully GDT will be able to have many prosperous projects in his future.

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 16 2010, 5:16am


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I think a lot of this is PR-talk

The studios are gushing about the current production team to make the announcement as positive as possible. It's not that they don't appreciate Guillermo, but they want to avoid any less-than-great news. If the press release mentions Guillermo, it also has to go in to the history of him leaving the film. Why taint the announcement?

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Owain
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 5:18am


Views: 1717
Yeah... no. I don't buy that for a second.

Studios cutting Peter Jackson down to size? He is never walked away from a fight. Do you remember the history of the LOTR?

And why would they be trying to screw the one guy trying to keep it all together? Filming in other locations has nothing to do with Peter Jackson. It's always been about the almighty dollar. They were suits before the movie and they will be after. Peter Jackson, according to several news syndications if you believe them, announced that they would have to look offshore if NZ couldn't provide better incentive for the film to be made there. The labor union issue is only part of the problem. The New Zealand Film Commission is a major part. You should read his 2010 investigation/report on NZ film making. Pretty insightful.

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."

(This post was edited by Owain on Oct 16 2010, 5:24am)


duats
Grey Havens

Oct 16 2010, 5:24am


Views: 1649
Plus

Remember that PJ was/is going to direct the Tintin sequel, which will be in 3D - so he's not altogether opposed to the idea.


Lindele
Gondor

Oct 16 2010, 5:25am


Views: 1642
I agree

that this discussion doesn't really need to go further, so I will conclude as well. I was there, in that chat room that day. I remember very well. Like I said. I was ecstatic that GDT was taking the job, if Jackson wouldnt. And I am not denying his incredible personal investment in the films. But the bottom line is, he did leave, however justified the reasons. And PJ has gone above and beyond to stick with this project. His sacrifice far outweighs GDT's, and he has proven that he will stop at nothing to see these through, for the fans, for the mythology. Even if he'd rather not direct. I love GDT, always been a big fan. But PJ is the man for the job. Always has been.


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 16 2010, 5:27am


Views: 1602
Agreed.

Official announcements are promotional not just informational in nature.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


Tim
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 5:29am


Views: 1896
I don't think we need to turn this into a conspiracy theory,

dissin' GDT, or anything else.

It's simple. Things finally worked out. PJ decided to direct, GDT decided he couldn't wait around. No big deal. It's just life. If they end up filming in NZ great. If not it will still be a great movie. Everybody relax and try to look at some good news and just enjoy it.

King Arthur: Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: There are some who call me... Tim.


Owain
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 5:31am


Views: 1689
And writers, directors, producers, editors... you get the idea... change their minds

all of the time. Guillermo Del Toro originally said he was not going to be apart of The Hobbit and then he was... and then he wasn't. Peter Jackson said that he didn't want to direct and he wasn't and now he is. They (PJ and GDT) had said that 3D wasn't a consideration and now it is. Welcome to the world and yes - INDUSTRY - of film making.Smile

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."

(This post was edited by Owain on Oct 16 2010, 5:33am)


duats
Grey Havens

Oct 16 2010, 5:33am


Views: 1595
I'm just happy

That in two years and two months, we will see Smaug the Golden in all of his cinematic glory.


Owain
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 5:34am


Views: 1584
Yeah... it will be awesome!//

 

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


duats
Grey Havens

Oct 16 2010, 5:38am


Views: 1609
That is, of course...

Assuming Smaug even shows up in Film One.

Haha.


Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 16 2010, 5:46am


Views: 1684
My heart is all a-patter...

... thanks to my friend and sibbie Compa, I saw this first this this morning, and I'm shaking with excitement and anticipation. I'm listening to Bilbo's Song (from the ROTK Fan Credits Suite) to calm me down... what a journey this has been, and is going to be, oh my!

I'm glad to have loads of sibs to share this all with, or I might've just burst myself to bits from keeping all the exuberance brimming within Heart



Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 16 2010, 5:47am


Views: 1594
Wait 'til gramma sees this...

... there's be fireworks such as have never been seen since a decade. Only the old gaffers and gammers from TORn's First Age would recall them. This will be a day, a night, a week, to remember! Wink



(This post was edited by Earl on Oct 16 2010, 5:48am)


Owain
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 5:49am


Views: 1622
Awesome to see this kind of excitement and anticipation again...

... especially after so much disappointment and frustration!Smile

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 16 2010, 5:50am


Views: 1586
I know...

... glad to have you here to share it all with Cool



Sunflower
Valinor

Oct 16 2010, 6:01am


Views: 1618
Oh yes...

I remember my own posts quite well on that occasion, Silverlode.I don't have to search.

I wasn'r going to comment further, but since a mod replied...well,. you deserve a reply, Silverlode, and I hope you'll forgive me.

Two, things.

1) My posts back then occurred before I discovered that this project did, in fact, IMO, have its Irvin Kershner. (Yes, Compa, if you're reading this, you can take your footer down now. He borrowed that phrase from me.) I sincerely hope that this project, down the road, does not turn out to be "TESB directed by George Lucas.

The 1983 Lucas......as opposed to Kershner. But still Lucas.It would have been great, but TESB< it would have been not. (Apply that concept in inverse, thematic-wise, and you'll get the situation here.)

and 2)That was then, this is now.. Peter (somehow, I can never again call him PJ; it seems too "familar") is a Mogul now, and I would not care aboiut that so much if it hadn't shown up in his work lately. The fears that Peter has of trying to top his own work are real, and I am not sanguine about the future. I welcomed the impossible dream come true of the acquistition of a director who both still had a somewhat "outside-the-box", somewhat "under-the-radar" mentality, someone who had not yet been scorched by years under the global spotlight, AND was artistically qualified for the job.

If the studios never wanted Del Toro, why couldn't they have just said no to Peter in the first place. If someone can tell me where the Divine justice is fior the past 2 yrs, then I'd love to know. (Sorry, but ATMOM Is not worth it for me, much as I look forward to it. )

I can only hope Fran and Philppa remain true equals when the script goes through its inevitable innumerable onset revisions...

And..well. there's a 3 I guess: you all speak of PR...well, PR and TORN....I can't helpbit relive your incident, Silverlode...when 3 or 4 yrs ago or whenever that was, NL were going to boot Peter off TH and Peter jumped the gun and went stright to us fans here on TORN with a press release saying he was walking away. Or whatever that was. You remember? He beat Shaye to it, and their plans were foiled by the fan outrage. IN a sense, our reaction pressured them to back off, and ultimaterly led to his staying on the project.

I don't think anyone in Hollywood forgot this. First, the gall of the lawsuit against NL, (people simply don't DO that) over "Hollywoodaccounting", and then the above incident,? What next?

I can't help but feel that just as Peter "jumped the gun" and went straight to us fans on TORN with an "offiicial release" (PR!, and boy did it work), WB and MGM--and maybe NL?--are turning the tables on him here, with his own methods--jumping the gun with an greenlight release before TH location is resolved, possibily shrewdly using our ecsastic reaction to put pressure on Peter to accept anyt demands they might make. Like as preordained location change.

Over the yrs I've coined a bit of a niche for myself as one of the resident skeptics here on TORN.Tongue But sometimes my theories do do come true, Neither Peter nor Guillermo wanted 3D, and now here we have #D. Don't say there was no tension there.

As for walking away...from directing...or what really goes on behind the scenes in NZ...everyone has to sign confidentuialty papers. So to suggest I am consoracy theoring is not not true--we'll never know.

I feel I am doing a public service breinging this up..preparing everyone for possible...next week.

I sincerely hope to God not.

And now, itr is 2 AM here....I really must leasve you all to the party and...good night.


(This post was edited by Altaira on Oct 16 2010, 3:16pm)


Laitholiel_the_SeaElf
Lorien


Oct 16 2010, 6:04am


Views: 1670
Emerging from temporary lurk mode to say: WOOHOOOOOOOOO! =-D

I'm ready to get back to the fun part of preproduction: Juicy tidbits from the set and wild script speculation. Can't wait to see it all finally come together.




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And not what loves you back.
And I'm in love with illusions
So saw me in half.
I'm in love with tricks
So pull another rabbit out your hat.




Owain
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 6:05am


Views: 1579
Joining you in the WooHooooooo!//

 

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 16 2010, 6:07am


Views: 1828
I actually talked to Guillermo tonight

He was at the Chicago International Film Festival to receive an award. We saw The Devil's Backbone, did a Q&A with Guillermo and Ron Perlman, and attended a cocktail reception after the film. During the reception, we all got to speak briefly with Guillermo. We briefly mentioned The Hobbit, and he assured us he is in a better place about the decision he had to make about The Hobbit, and he is convinced that things happen for a reason. He's a geek just like us, and looks forward to the design and concepts from the "new" director.

I think we can let go of any concerns we had about Guillermo being torn up about what is happening with The Hobbit - he is fine. He knows the ins and outs of Hollywood better than we do, and he fully understands that a press release is not a reflection of his contributions to the films.

Guillermo is a lovely man, and I was so glad to be able to spend a few moments with him.

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Eledhwen
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 16 2010, 6:19am


Views: 1583
Exactly

In my now reasonably long career as a journalist I have found that press releases are never subtle. You can't do subtle in a press release. You do gushing, bigging up whatever announcement it is you've made. You don't mention any troubles you've had along the way and you can't give the whole history of the deal being announced. Journalists will always put the difficult details in their story anyway - that's their job. The studio's job is to give the good news in a positive way and it's done that well - with even a geeky in-joke, "there and back again" from an exec.

My guess is they'll announce location when the dispute is cleared up. At present, they can't, because it isn't.

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Peredhil lover
Valinor


Oct 16 2010, 6:21am


Views: 1590
Now it's official! :-)

Now I really believe it! Ha, what a great way to start my weekend! Really hadn't expected the greenlight to come so soon Smile



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Owain
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 6:31am


Views: 1568
Wow! Very cool Entmaiden. Would have loved to have been there.//

 

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."

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mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 6:38am


Views: 1532
Right!... I'm waiting for that too!!! //

 

'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)


mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 6:48am


Views: 1581
At last!!!... *sigh of ecstatic relief*

For all those months of one catastrophe after the other, I hardly dared anymore looking up for news about 'The Hobbit' on my beloved TORn ... I didn't have the heart of participating in the discussions either...
Now I feel I want to jump in again and join you all again in the fun and the excitement!!!
Laugh
PJ & Co, go, go, go!!!... And please choose New Zealand, it's such a lovely Middle-earth... Heart

'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
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LoremIpsum
Lorien


Oct 16 2010, 6:51am


Views: 1532
*throws confetti*

finally Heart

I think I'm gonna weep with nostalgia and joy when I see a photo of Sir Ian as Gandalf on the set.


ArchaicWarrior
Registered User

Oct 16 2010, 7:09am


Views: 1559
Please NO to 3D

I HATE wearing those stupid glasses! Cardboard or plastic they are too small and never comfortable!

Why in the hell would a movie like this need 3D????

Sorry if this has been debated before, I'm just adding to the "Ney" side!

AW.


mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 7:12am


Views: 1565
Thanks for this lovely reaction, dear GDT!...

I'm really glad that he takes it this way. He is a lovely man indeed. Good that his contribution will still be there in the scripts!... Cool

'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
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Doriath
Rivendell


Oct 16 2010, 7:15am


Views: 1629
New Zealand!

New Zealand! New Zealand! New Zealand!

The Trees will have their revenge! And they will have it in glorious 2D!


Jazmine
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 7:31am


Views: 1611
SO HAPPY!!!!!!!!

Finally, we get the news we've been waiting for!!! I feel like I can dare to be excited about this at long last!



mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 7:33am


Views: 1564
Tend to agree with you... :-) //

 

'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)


Owlyross
Rohan


Oct 16 2010, 7:42am


Views: 1603
Emerging from lurk to YAY!!!

*Does happy dance all round the house*

I'm just happy we'll get to see them, I honestly thought the films wouldn't happen, so this is a great relief, and a great joy!

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Galadriel's ring
Rivendell


Oct 16 2010, 7:57am


Views: 1524
YEY!!!!!!!

Finally. YEY!!!!!!!
I was beginning to think that these films would be in perpetual pre-pre-production!!!!!!
*runs out of the room screaming the house down*
LaughLaugh

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mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 8:00am


Views: 1555
Thank you, that's exactly it!...

... or at least that's exactly true as far as I am concerned, and I did have a feeling that it was so for a number of others too, so I'm glad you put it all up in this post!... Sly

'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
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mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 8:25am


Views: 1520
That seems obvious to me too. //

 

'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
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Moriel
The Shire


Oct 16 2010, 8:25am


Views: 1550
Oooh! The news even brought me out my hole in the ground.

I've got a very nice hole, of course, but still, one must go on sudden unexpected adventures from time to time, and an official greenlight for The Hobbit is a pretty good reason.


On a side note: Wow. I haven't logged in here in years and was shocked that my old account was still active. I'm surprised it wasn't deleted years ago.

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macfalk
Valinor


Oct 16 2010, 8:32am


Views: 1551
Finally 100% official.

 





Elven
Valinor


Oct 16 2010, 8:47am


Views: 1556
One better ....

I went back and had a look at some of my posts in the 'What Say You' Thread discussions - this was prior to GdT taking on the role of Director, but it had just been reported and looked as if it was possible he might Direct - the post date: Jan 29 2008


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Q: Do you think there is a chance or change - that Peter will direct the Hobbit or the other film?

Elven: Yes, I think there will be a change - and unexpected change at that - almost Peter taking the reins by default - though that wouldn't be a bad move closer to the movies becoming a reality, even if they have started filming ... I think it woulld even start with the script ... but Peter steps in to save the day ... we all love a hero who can do that, and he is capable and in the position presently to do that ... but not just yet. I dont think things will go as planned if Del Toro is confirmed as Director.


Q: If you believe it to be true - what do you feel Del Toro will bring to the Hobbit?

Elven: Hold-ups. I dont think this guy has the luck on his side down the line.
Some of this I think relates to timing ... it going to be long overdrawn and there will be difficulties around the making of this movie ... expect the unexpected and irreversable to happen - and I think its out of the hands of anyone to change it ...


Q: Are you happy with this choice?

Elven: as theres no choice yet made, its hard to say - but in essence - No. But thats not to say the right choices wont be made in the long run ...


Q: What are your other thoughts on this current report?

Elven: This seems to be swift decision making - a hopeful new prospect like Del Toro mixed with much antisipation and anxiety.

and I have to say I feel there is some reluctance by Del Toro around this step - (even though there are no reports) with the direction of who is to direct - even if it is confirmed - expectations and all that ... and Im not sure presently if what is being asked of Del Toro is as clear cut as its made out to be - Director ... (title yes, but as for whats expected - no) or exactly what he feels he can bring to the plate himself - . If I said there is a political element involved here, I not sure Id be speculating too far from the truth, but it has to do with skill and creativity, and im sure that these two elements are going to clash at some point ... or one will try to over-ride the other, but these seem only to be half the story - the whole deal would seem very tempting and I think there would be a definite attraction to having a name like his linked to these films ... but Im still feeling that Del Toro will not hold the reins for long ... if this comes through ..


I know there is also a post I wrote about the 'new technology' which would be available at the time the Hobbit comes out - Im still searching for the post - around 2007 - but Im just thrilled as punch that this is how it is evolving now. I wish I'd put a wager on this now ... LOL


mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 8:54am


Views: 1582
Amazing!!!

Were you looking in a crystal ball or what???
Or is this entire thing a joke?...
Shocked

'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)

(This post was edited by mae govannen on Oct 16 2010, 8:55am)


Vidstige
Bree


Oct 16 2010, 8:58am


Views: 1506
Yay!

Very cool! Looking forward to it. Smile


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Mithrandír
Lorien


Oct 16 2010, 9:06am


Views: 1496
moahahahaaha

hahahahahaahahahah!! :) I don't know what to say....haha!

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mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 9:14am


Views: 1580
Loved the geeky in-joke...!

Rather unexpected in an official announcement!!! Cool

'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)


Vangalad
Lorien


Oct 16 2010, 9:20am


Views: 1558
YES! WE HAVE VICTORY!!!

Cheers to everyone for the wonderful news! Angelic


mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 9:21am


Views: 1540
'all a-patter'

What a lovely way to put it!...
Glad to be here to share all the happy emotion with you and all others... Hurray!!!

'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)


Elven
Valinor


Oct 16 2010, 9:51am


Views: 1536
No, no joke....

The post is here - dated Jan 29 2008 -
...http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi?post=70481#70481


Bound
Rohan

Oct 16 2010, 9:51am


Views: 1537
Woo Hoo

Nice to have the green light - its been far to long coming..

Would like to see the next big announcements - like Martin Freeman as Bilbo and they will shoot some scenens in England to accommodate Christopher Lee...

Tow things are bitter sweet - One : We'll never get Del Toro's vision - I for one really wanted another director. I love Peter and I love the LOTR but I thought it would be great to see another vision on middle earth..

Two : I wish it didnt have to be in 3D - plain and simple !


marlonbrando76
The Shire

Oct 16 2010, 10:12am


Views: 1531
CONGRATULATIONS MR JACKSON!

Congratulations Mr Jackson & Co.

it is a wonderful news today!

right now i would like just two more news....

Martin Freeman as Bilbo

and Chirstopher Lee comeback for Saruman....

i hope the 3D will not look so different in a stylistic continuity way looking the trilogy....

but i'm so happy

thanks for this new journey!


Patty
Immortal


Oct 16 2010, 10:38am


Views: 1559
**raises a glass to Entmaiden**

Thanks for this bit of info. I would think we can all get on now with our rejoicing about the greenlight and PJ--Guillermo seems to be fine with all of this. And we got PJ--we could have gotten Sam Raimi or someone else!

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Patty
Immortal


Oct 16 2010, 10:39am


Views: 1509
Tim, as usual...

you hit the nail on the head.

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Patty
Immortal


Oct 16 2010, 10:41am


Views: 1529
Well Moriel, now that there is news..

stay and post more with us. You can't stay in your hobbit hole forever. Welcome back.

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Elven
Valinor


Oct 16 2010, 10:51am


Views: 1530
Way to go entmaiden...

You are right.
He has a strong sense of self character and knows exactly whats happening ....
He will get his due rewards when the Hobbit grabs some golden gongs for the scripting.
His mark is firmly planted in the Shire Smile

Great that you spoke with him - thats awesome!

Cheers
Elven


maut
Rivendell


Oct 16 2010, 10:56am


Views: 1483
Hurraay

Hurrray!
That's it!
I'm happy!
Green light!!!! Hobbit!!!!!!!!PJ!!!!!!!
If its a dream then Its a good dreamWink

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one Ring to find them,
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mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 12:02pm


Views: 1482
Then this is astonishing foresight!...

Do you often have such clear hints of the future development of things? Is this something you are aware of as a permanent gift?...
I am really intrigued. This is fascinating!

'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 16 2010, 12:07pm


Views: 1540
So you are the one behind it.//

 

Kangi Ska

The Hobbit is almost here.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Aunt Dora Baggins
Immortal


Oct 16 2010, 12:09pm


Views: 1587
*mods up* //

 


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Tim
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 12:47pm


Views: 1584
Well you're putting it up there for discussion

so it's fair game.

I'm not sure why you're stressing. You're never, ever going to know if most of these things that you worry about are true or not. It almost begs the question if you find so much behind-the-scenes drama in everything that happens why do you even involve yourself? Why can't this just be a good thing? Does everything have to be so Machiavellian? I mean you go on and on about this and that being done to PJ or GDT - look both of these guys are both happy and rich. Neither one is really a victim worth getting worked up about. You seem like a really nice intelligent person but yes you DO stand out as the resident skeptic. This announcement comes out and everyone is hooray except you. So count me in as the resident stress therapy guy. I mean seriously no snark my suggestion is just enjoy the moment of something going right. I just don't like to see you stress out.

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Tim: There are some who call me... Tim.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 16 2010, 12:49pm


Views: 1547
Amen!


In Reply To
It's simple. Things finally worked out. PJ decided to direct, GDT decided he couldn't wait around. No big deal. It's just life. If they end up filming in NZ great. If not it will still be a great movie. Everybody relax and try to look at some good news and just enjoy it.



Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 16 2010, 1:34pm


Views: 1581
But-but I want to be the resident skeptic.

Or perhaps "Skeptic In Residence".

Kangi Ska

The Hobbit is almost here.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Growlithe the Grey
Rivendell


Oct 16 2010, 1:46pm


Views: 1574
I doubt it.


In Reply To
And so you get the feeling now that maybe just as they wanted the "blockbuster franchise guy" for the job, (as opposed to the other Oscar-winner director) adn were willing to (perhaps) manipulate the chips--and oh so patiently, for years--tighening the thumbscrews on Del Toro, perhaps, to pressure him into quitting---even willing to go to the lengths of pulling him off a *Stepehn Spielberg collaberation*--they knew full well the possibilty of a schedule conflict?

I have to tell you, that sounds like one heck of a troll-sized gamble. Secondly, if they were so desperate to have PJ and only PJ direct, I'm sure that would have been part of the terms to begin with, rather than letting PJ and the rest of the studio come to an agreement with GDT. Ultimately the studio has say as to who the major players are in the film, and rather than try and sabotage the production, risking complete obliteration of the project, they could have just flat out said "this is how we want it done, and if it can't be done like that now, we'll just wait until it can."

I'm just not buying the big conspiracy theory that the financial troubles they were going through were the perfect "excuse" for them to pressure GDT out.

Am I sad for what GDT has gone through? You bet. I was excited for the guy, and excited to see his vision for the Hobbit. But I don't think there was any plotting against him in all this. He simply became frustrated with the wrangling that had to be done to get this thing to happen, and decided not to put up with the frustrations and scheduling problems.

The movie business is full of ups and downs. Let's not try and paint GDT as an "unlucky" guy in the movie business - at least not more so than anyone else. He's done very well for himself, and I see a very bright future yet to come for him. He may be suffering through a couple of unfortunate circumstances right now, but I doubt highly that it has anything to do with him personally or professionally. Sometimes it's just the way the ball bounces.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 1:55pm


Views: 1529
Well you seem to have some serious competition for that title lol. //

Laugh

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Tim: There are some who call me... Tim.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 16 2010, 2:06pm


Views: 1549
Maybe I should be the "Resident Cynic" then.

Of course they are going to make them in 3-D. Was there really ever any doubt that the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ would win out!
How is that for a start? And about that Elf-wench...Evil

Kangi Ska

The Hobbit is almost here.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Tim
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 2:08pm


Views: 1552
I guess it really is true about the human condition

that we really do always find something to complain about. Angelic

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 16 2010, 2:55pm


Views: 1526
Glad you said we.

By the way, I am almost hopeful. The eucatastrophy seems to be working out.

Kangi Ska

The Hobbit is almost here.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Tim
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 3:02pm


Views: 1521
Of course we

and I don't actually view you as over cynical at all - so there HA!

King Arthur: Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: There are some who call me... Tim.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 16 2010, 3:20pm


Views: 1613
psst...don't let anyone know...

They all think I won't buy a ticket because of the 3-D thing.

They do not understand.

Kangi Ska

The Hobbit is almost here.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 3:30pm


Views: 1531
it's relatively likely

that he will at least show up when they are talking about retaking the Lonely Mountain at the very beginning


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you can fence yourselves in, but you cannot for ever fence it out

You can only come to the morning through the shadows


Patty
Immortal


Oct 16 2010, 3:59pm


Views: 1494
So, I want to know if we are going to be fortunate enough to get..

Andrew Lesnie again as DP, and if he is comfortable with this 3D thing.

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Rivendweller
Lorien


Oct 16 2010, 4:04pm


Views: 1492
Wow - Hi ! Haven't seen you in forever !!

This is indeed good news is it not ? I lurk here more often than not as well as of late, but this news should bring more of the older sibs back I hope !! Good to * see * you though !! Smile


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Patty
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Oct 16 2010, 4:07pm


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Yeah, and...

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Huan71
Lorien

Oct 16 2010, 4:21pm


Views: 1476
Great news!!

At last, the Hobbit gets the go ahead light! I, for one of many, am happy!!
...and i'm still pretty hopeful New Zealand will get to stage the gig!


_V_
Lorien


Oct 16 2010, 4:49pm


Views: 1503
LONG have we waited for this!

Six years of just waiting around.

Soon....things will come ALIVE again: new Green Books, new fanart, new debates about how they adapted things.

We're going home.

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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Oct 16 2010, 6:23pm


Views: 1542
BANZAI!!!!!! *squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*

THERE IT IS!!!! HERE WE GO!!!!!!! *spins in chair8 OMG!!! FINALLY AFINALLY FINALLY!!!!!!! I got hints this morning thtat thiere was news hereAND WOWW!!!! I'm sneaking in from working all day cuz I couldn't STAND IT ANYNORE!!!!

THANK YOU PETER!!! PHILIPPA! FRAN!!!! GDT!!!! \and all of the production companies that have FINALY GOTTON OFF THEIR DUFFS and got this train MOVING!!

*ears ringing* OMG! WHERE' S MY NITRO TABLETS AND OXYGEN!!!!



I'm so happy..... * tears flow* omg.......... prayer works!!! :D

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ranger123
Rivendell

Oct 16 2010, 6:36pm


Views: 1520
I think the location of The Hobbit production has been decided

I think the location of production has been decided upon already.

In order for The Hobbit to be greenlit, there first needs to be a budget that breaks down the cost of the production. That budget then has to be approved before the greenlight is given.

So now that we do have a greenlight, that means the budget has been signed off. The budget for making a film in NZ is going to be different from making a film in Scotland or Canada or Ireland etc. Different expenses, different tax incentives, etc. all mean different budgets.

I think that makes it pretty clear that the Hobbit budget has to be in line with a particular location(s). It has already been decided on IMHO.

The only question is...where?


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 16 2010, 7:34pm


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By Golly I Think You've Got It! //

 

Kangi Ska Resident Cynic

The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 16 2010, 7:36pm


Views: 1456
The EMTs are on their way.//

 

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The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 16 2010, 7:40pm


Views: 1522
And there she is!

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Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 7:41pm


Views: 1533
my ears are ringing too

your squee(...) was so long and high-pitched that it hurt my ears even reading it Tongue


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Ataahua
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Oct 16 2010, 11:00pm


Views: 1392
Thanks for this entmaiden.

It's great to hear some comments from Guillermo himself. I have two strong impressions of him: He's a gleeful geek, and a thorough gentleman.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

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Eruwestial37
Rohan

Oct 16 2010, 11:00pm


Views: 1463
Are you happy Gramma?

Wink EvilEvil
I've been waiting for your post since I heard last night. It's going to be MAGNIFICENT, isn't it?


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Oct 16 2010, 11:03pm


Views: 1466
OK that's just spooky Elven.

Next time, could you use your powers for good? Tongue

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2010, 11:04pm


Views: 1420
Someone should have asked Perlman

if he was still in contention for a role in The Hobbit. I need closure on those Guillermo-era casting statements. Frown


entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 16 2010, 11:47pm


Views: 1451
Beorn.

Not from Ron Perlman, but someone else Cool

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entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 16 2010, 11:49pm


Views: 1425
Yes to both

A geek and a gentleman. Guillermo stood for over 2 hours to speak with everyone in line. And each person got several minutes of his time, and pictures and autographs if requested.

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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Oct 17 2010, 12:21am


Views: 1390
The name "Elven" suits you :)

You have the gift of foresight. Well done, m'dear!

And I'm going to say that I foresee the films will be made in NZ. Between Peter's commitment to do these films now and the film companies counting on them being ultra successful... they'd be foolish NOT to film them in the lands where the first films were made. Everything's in place there. It's going to be fine.

*shakes head* You're awesome :D

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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Oct 17 2010, 12:26am


Views: 1396
Oh good :) I'm so glad

you had such a great time! I know you were looking forward to it so much.

And Thank you for sharing this insight of his feeling about the films. I know he must have been upset with the fact things had to change, but that never meant he didn't believe in the project and want nothing but the best for it. He really is a quality, lovely man :)

Thank you :)

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mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Oct 17 2010, 1:29am


Views: 1411
Aaaah! There you are at last!!! I was waiting for you!...

And I am so glad you are finally able to join us with your unique way of celbrating things, both hilarious and so moving!... Welcome, gramma!Laugh

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mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Oct 17 2010, 1:33am


Views: 1407
Ah, someone who is aware of the power of thought and expectation...! LOL //

 

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mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Oct 17 2010, 1:38am


Views: 1356
LOL!... Same with me!!! //

 

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mae govannen
Tol Eressea


Oct 17 2010, 1:43am


Views: 1389
Yes, 'we are going home'... How sweet a way to say it. Thanks!...//

 

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Ainu Laire
Tol Eressea


Oct 17 2010, 1:43am


Views: 1357
That's great

GDT is awesome- he was so friendly when I met him in 09- and it's great that he is content.

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Magpie
Immortal


Oct 17 2010, 1:49am


Views: 1366
thanks for that report, entmaiden

I'm glad to hear he is doing well and I agree with his philosophy on how things shake out sometimes. He is someone who always impresses me when I hear what he has to say. It's great you got to speak with him. :-)


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Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Oct 17 2010, 2:15am


Views: 1385
that's lovely to hear

I'm glad he doesn't regret his decision and seems content with it.
Nothing like having that "What if...?" question or "Maybe I should have..." thought that's so hard to banish


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You can only come to the morning through the shadows


Dipora
Registered User

Oct 17 2010, 3:07am


Views: 1422
Re: 3D

Along with potentially directing the second 3D Tintin film, Peter Jackson also wanted to make King Kong in 3D. PJ is well known to be in the pro-3D camp, I doubt he had to be forced into anything. Not to mention that Weta Digital have proven themselves in regards to making a phenomenal looking 3D film.


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macfalk
Valinor


Oct 17 2010, 6:41am


Views: 1484
GDT

GDT departed the directors chair, but isn't he still on as a co-screenwriter? I know that the scripts have already been finished but they'll certainly be some re-writes? Or does that power to change the script only lie with PJ, FW and PB now? I'm confused Cool





Tim
Tol Eressea


Oct 17 2010, 4:17pm


Views: 1374
Not really in a position to know at this point

He stated when he left that he was still helping write the scripts but the scripts are done - I would say it's a reasonable guess that PJ, Fran, and PB will do the changes from now on though GDT may be willing to help out if they give him a ring. He's got got other fish to fry though.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 17 2010, 4:32pm


Views: 1290
More like squids to fry...//

 

Kangi Ska Resident Cynic

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At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 17 2010, 4:38pm


Views: 1337
I believe that

the producers and directors take control of the scripts though the studio(s own them. In this specific case the situation is complicated by the multiple roles people hold in the production. I think GdT would be consulted about major changes. It would only be polite and who knows when they may be working together again.

Kangi Ska Resident Cynic

The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 17 2010, 5:21pm


Views: 1320
That thought doesn't comfort me

Even if they do consult Guillermo about any changes they might want to make to the script, I find it hard to imagine him objecting to anything. He's said that he wouldn't mind even if Peter decided to redesign Smaug...

I'm not sure that Guillermo cares about seeing his work in The Hobbit as much as his fans do.


Alassëa Eruvande
Valinor


Oct 17 2010, 5:39pm


Views: 1299
*does springle-ring* //

 



And suddenly the Tornadoes saw afar off a greenlight, as it were a cloud with a living heart of flame;
and they knew that this was no vision only, but that PJ had made a new thing: The Hobbit, the Film that Is.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 17 2010, 5:56pm


Views: 1304
Yes, but wether we like it or not. The Hobbit is Peter's now.

And despite some (I think minor)complaints I once heard voiced about a few designs in LotR, he has pretty good taste over all.

Kangi Ska Resident Cynic

The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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duats
Grey Havens

Oct 17 2010, 6:36pm


Views: 1295
Honestly

And I've said this before. If nothing else, I want GDT's Smaug to remain 100% intact. Hearing him gush about that particular design gave me chills.

I remember that, while GDT had final say, the design process for The Hobbit was collaborative between GDT and PJ. So I'm assuming/hoping that PJ is happy with the final designs, and that little changes will be made. I'd like to be able to see GDT's influence in the film. In terms of creature design, GDT is one of the best in the business (if not THE best).


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 17 2010, 7:03pm


Views: 1267
I agree 100%

but there is the chance that things could change. Even GdT conceded that, though he said that he hoped they did not.

Kangi Ska Resident Bird Brain

The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 17 2010, 7:08pm


Views: 1326
GdT's Smaug

I certainly hope Jackson doesn't change it. And I don't think he will... he seemed to like GdT's style enough to select him as the director for The Hobbit, so the odds are if GdT really loves the design, Jackson should too (especially since he, John Howe and Alan Lee presumably had some input on it).

The most important aspect of Smaug's design is the 'thing' Guillermo did with it to make him different from every other dragon on film. That 'thing' absolutely must remain intact, whatever it might be. If it's as good as Guillermo thinks it is, there's no way Peter would mess with it... I hope.

I definitely consider GdT to be the foremost creature designer in the business.

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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/...010/06/guillermo.jpg
http://www.filmcipher.com/...-angel-of-death1.jpg

It really doesn't get any better.


duats
Grey Havens

Oct 17 2010, 7:31pm


Views: 1185
That's my line of thinking


In Reply To
I certainly hope Jackson doesn't change it. And I don't think he will... he seemed to like GdT's style enough to select him as the director for The Hobbit, so the odds are if GdT really loves the design, Jackson should too (especially since he, John Howe and Alan Lee presumably had some input on it).

GDT said he was 110% happy with Smaug, and I believe he also said it was the design that they (GDT, PJ, Alan Lee, John Howe, Mike Mignola) spent the most time on. I'm sure they were going for nothing less than perfection with the design. I just hope PJ is as happy with it as GDT was.


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the_argonath
Lorien


Oct 17 2010, 9:24pm


Views: 1201
I assume...

... that GdT quit TH because of time restraints, so he won't be able to have much more of an input due to his new commitments? Like people have said, he'll probably be contacted re. any changes or major decisions but since he no longer holds the main post I don't think it's overly necessary....
In other news, I'm still jumping for joy, and having PJ confirmed as director is the greatest news I've heard (after the greenlight business) Laugh
In honour, I'm digging out my 'there and back again' t-shirt for tomorrow Smile

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Analeewyn
Lorien


Oct 18 2010, 5:39am


Views: 1191
Hey, I like that...

"The Resident Cynic"...I would come up with one for Tim also, but I just can't get past his Avatar (which is one of my favs by the way). I just imagine him being just like his Avatar!





Analeewyn
Lorien


Oct 18 2010, 5:50am


Views: 1191
I think I am gonna bring the dance over here Tim ;)

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 18 2010, 9:04am


Views: 1123
Cute!//

 

Kangi Ska Resident Bird Brain

The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Owlyross
Rohan


Oct 18 2010, 10:31am


Views: 1216
Hi *waves*

I lurk for news as I don't have time to trawl the boards as I used to... Comes with having a little one!

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Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 18 2010, 12:03pm


Views: 1110
I agree... those were my thoughts too :o) //

 



Magpie
Immortal


Oct 18 2010, 1:43pm


Views: 1110
hey you... long time

no see.

:-)


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Tim
Tol Eressea


Oct 18 2010, 2:37pm


Views: 1216
Ha ha! Groovy yellow person dance, I dig it.

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