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Martin Freeman turns down seven figures to play Bilbo



Owain
Tol Eressea


Sep 7 2010, 1:34am


Views: 3639
Martin Freeman turns down seven figures to play Bilbo

I don't know how reliable this source is but I thought it was interesting.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/...-to-hobbit-role.html

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."

(This post was edited by Owain on Sep 7 2010, 1:35am)


duats
Grey Havens

Sep 7 2010, 2:37am


Views: 2153
That's too bad if true

Scratch one off my list.


Kristin Thompson
Rohan


Sep 7 2010, 2:41am


Views: 2147
Definitely worth the question marks

that TORN (and I) used in reporting this information from "a source." Why would MGM be offering this role to anyone? New Line, Warner Bros., Peter J., maybe, but MGM? Plus Martin Freeman plays Watson, not Holmes, as the Sun's headline would have it. I await further, more concrete information.


Owain
Tol Eressea


Sep 7 2010, 2:41am


Views: 2192
While disappointing for Freeman fans...

if true it is encouraging that casting of THE character is underway.Smile

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Eruonen
Valinor

Sep 7 2010, 2:44am


Views: 2145
You never know with The Sun

The Sun has reported other headlines that have fallen flat in the past so you never know. The Sun is very much a tabloid....however....not sure if this story would come up if there was not a grain of truth to it even if the particulars are off. IF true, then there must be a greenlight under wraps. It will likely be shot down soon if untrue.


(This post was edited by Eruonen on Sep 7 2010, 2:46am)


Owain
Tol Eressea


Sep 7 2010, 2:46am


Views: 2130
Agreed everyone...

Like I've said... I don't know the reliability if the source. Just saw it and thought it interesting and that the Ringers should know.

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Eruonen
Valinor

Sep 7 2010, 2:49am


Views: 2102
Thanks for posting

The info is very much newsworthy. I wonder why Freeman would say anything....even when turning down...I am sure there is some kind of agreement.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Sep 7 2010, 3:00am


Views: 2098
Urgh

Martin Freeman would have been awesome. If this is true I'm both sad and happy. Happy that things are proceeding. I'm a bit confused I thought they couldn't really offer contracts (money) until there was a green light. But what do I know.

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Studio CEO: This new learning amazes me, Studio Lapdog. Explain again how sheeps' bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.


carnivorousrabbit
The Shire


Sep 7 2010, 3:31am


Views: 2092
That's depressing

I was really hoping that he would get the role. He is Bilbo to me. Always will be even though he turned the role.

Hopefully there is another perfect Bilbo somewhere out there; undiscovered.

Many a FALSE STEP is made by STANDING STILL.


Milknut
Rohan

Sep 7 2010, 4:01am


Views: 2056
GAAAH.

I was counting on him. Damn it! Mad


Nimloth
Lorien


Sep 7 2010, 4:12am


Views: 2022
Disappointing

I always thought he had the perfect Bilbo look.


Sunflower
Valinor

Sep 7 2010, 4:15am


Views: 2101
Huh?

This is The Sun we're talking about...I'm a Yank and even I know their, uh, reputation as a sterling information source.Tongue And yeah, it begs the question...Like Kristen said, WB is doing the bulk of the production, no? Why would MGM be in charge of anything at this point, let alone casting? And with no greenlight? I'm with you all. Awaiting further info from more reliable, uh, sources. Smile


Bond-Of-Blood
Rivendell

Sep 7 2010, 6:21am


Views: 2182
Not true... so stop worrying! Martin could still be in contention.

MGM isnt handling the casting and a seven figure fee is highly unlikely (unless its in New Zealand dollars!) as they are on a tight-ish budget... hence the reasons that we unknown actors are getting a shot at main characters.

FYI: Sean only got paid USD $250k in TOTAL for three films as Sam in LOTR and Billy has also gone on record to say that it was long hours and poor pay.

Personally though I dont think Martin will be cast as Bilbo anyway but if he is he will have until January 2011 to make himself available, so plenty of time to wrap up his existing commitments.


In Reply To
I don't know how reliable this source is but I thought it was interesting.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/...-to-hobbit-role.html



(This post was edited by Bond-Of-Blood on Sep 7 2010, 6:29am)


Kelvarhin
Half-elven


Sep 7 2010, 6:23am


Views: 2019
Thanks BoB//

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Rivendell


Sep 7 2010, 6:28am


Views: 1995
Reliable?

In my opinion/experience the Sun is one of the least reliable newspapers in the UK.
It may be true though... you never know...Smile


Elladan
Rivendell

Sep 7 2010, 6:55am


Views: 2035
I wouldnt worry to much

For a start most of the information in that story is unlikely or false, secondly this is the Sun, they have previously claimed Toby Maguire was to play the role, and ofc that Jedward had been asked to audition for the parts of Kili and Fili. I would assume this is just another random stab in the dark based of fan site chatter, if anything at all.

I dont know anything about TV or film contracts but seeing as Mr Freeman has, as far as I know, only been in 1 film with even a modicum of success I would assume he is either, A, not interested in a film career, or B, would jump at this opportunity despite a reasonably short contract for a BBC series, and so would find away to get out of it. There is after all always a way, even if it costs a small fortune.

I have to say I do like how none of the quotes in that story have any source even hinted at. That said the Sherlock series was good, if true, a 20 week filming schedule promises more than 3 episodes as before, which can be seen as a good thing.

Though I still dont think he is the best choice for Bilbo.


(This post was edited by Elladan on Sep 7 2010, 7:01am)


dormouse
Half-elven

Sep 7 2010, 7:27am


Views: 1947
I agree

... both on the (lack of) reliability of The Sun - honestly, it's just a comic for grown-ups, no one should ever take its claims seriously - and on Martin Freeman not being the best choice for Bilbo... I think it is true that they're making a new series of Sherlock: I heard it being discussed on TV in an interview with the writers; but then, if I heard it millions of others did too, including The Sun.

So we wait, we wait.....


phredegar
Bree

Sep 7 2010, 7:39am


Views: 2009
Your 'soaraway' Sun

Thanks for expounding on the unreliability or at least lack of gravity in The Sun; for our members outside the UK this is a newspaper that appears to find it daily newsworthy to show that women posess breasts. I'm still an Ian Holm man - I think that the childlike tenour of the Hobbit will be matched cinemagraphically with a softness of tone and focus at first that could wipe away Sir Ian's age. I still haven't been able to find an official 'no' from him anyway - I'd be put out of my misery if anyone could help.
Mention Martin Freeman to me and I'm afraid I have the compelling memory of him in Love, Actually bouncing around naked with Stacey all day long, leaving her at the door after she said she wants him for Christmas...and walking away. No! That's not the spirit that defeats dragons!


Hellmistress
Lorien


Sep 7 2010, 9:33am


Views: 1981
It's true ...

... that a second series of the brilliant SHERLOCK has been commissioned, and although the SUn is an atrocious and inherently untrustworthy rag, I have a sneaky suspicion that this is sadly true. Martin would have made a fabulous Bilbo.

As for Sir Ian ... I doubt that he would even be approached to play the role due to his age, irrelevant of how much it would cost to de-age him. Even if he was, the CG involved would be hellaciously expensive, as the character is the main focus of the storyline and he would be on-screen a lot. The cost would far outweigh the benefit. The role is very active and involving, and if you have to hire a stunt man or digitally create the more strenous bits for the film, then it just isn't economically viable. Recasting is the only way to go.

HM


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Sep 7 2010, 10:01am


Views: 1906
Conspiracy?

Maybe PJ leaked this info to enable the press to apply pressure on getting Freeman out of his contract?
Wishful thinking?

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macfalk
Valinor


Sep 7 2010, 10:02am


Views: 1905
This is the The Sun people, dont pay it much notice

 


Huan71
Lorien

Sep 7 2010, 10:29am


Views: 1902
Though salacious...

...and a pretty nasty paper at times, the Sun does have a knack of getting hold of stories before other papers. so i'll not write this one off just yet!
I gotta say that i find martin Freeman to be most "Hobbit like" ! lol...So thought he'd have made a pretty good Bilbo!
Still, it's good news that it would seem things are moving ahead steadily with the film!

BTW...The other guy in the article, Benedict cumberbatch, is a very good actor. he's an unusual bloke with a unique character type. He was commended for his role as Stephen hawking a while back. one to watch for the future!


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Sep 7 2010, 10:50am


Views: 1959
Just what are you implying?


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This is the The Sun people, dont pay it much notice


Are you saying "The Sun" is a less the reputable daily tabloid? Surley you believed these other front page headlines:

UFO HITS WIND TURBINE
WORLD'S FATTEST BLOKE LIVES IN IPSWICH
LIFE ON MARS
BIGFOOT SIGHTING?...

And as we all know it was totally true when Toby Maguire quit Spiderman to play Bilbo...they just changed their minds about it. Wink
-That photoshop'd pic is just too funny.

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(This post was edited by Pipe Dream on Sep 7 2010, 10:56am)


Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Sep 7 2010, 12:04pm


Views: 1859
Lol, Pipe Dream

You crack me up. Laugh

No, thanks to the valued opinions of many of our board members from across the pond (looking from my side Wink) over the years, I thought it wise to put a very definite question mark after the Home Page headline reporting the story.


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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Sep 7 2010, 12:13pm


Views: 1867
I think I will wait for the official announcement...//

 

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Make the Hobbit Happen Now!

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the_argonath
Lorien


Sep 7 2010, 12:31pm


Views: 1347
Meh... it's the Sun after all...

... so I'd probably take it with a pinch of salt! He would('ve) be(en) a good Bilbo, but maybe it's time for an unknown actor if not Martin?

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chrismortega
Bree


Sep 7 2010, 1:13pm


Views: 1392
Scared me for a second there...

This has to be fake. No one in their right mind turns down Bilbo to play a wussy sidekick. Break contracts, get sued, whatever... if you are offered Bilbo, you take it.

I am happy to get a little chatter going however. Shouldn't be too soon before we get some REAL casting information!

And Martin Freeman still has my vote, of the 'known' actors.

"NEVER TRUST AN ELF!"


Tim
Tol Eressea


Sep 7 2010, 2:05pm


Views: 1371
Yes this is one rumor

that needs to be kicked square in the pants and booted to the curb for its pure silliness. Get on it you zany rumor-confirmer-people. Sly

King Arthur: Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: There are some who call me... Tim.

Tim: Follow. But. Follow only if ye be TORNsibs of valour, for the making of The Hobbit is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel that no TORNsib yet has fought with it and lived. Bones of an A List veteran director lie strewn about its lair. So, brave TORNsibs, if you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further, for Hollywood studio bureaucratic ineptitude awaits you all with nasty, big, pointy teeth!

Studio Exec: And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped.
Studio CEO: This new learning amazes me, Studio Lapdog. Explain again how sheeps' bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.


phredegar
Bree

Sep 7 2010, 2:19pm


Views: 1350
£$£$

Oh, the cost! Balderdash. They can afford it. Anyway, whatever happened to Ars Gratia Artis?!


sphdle1
Gondor


Sep 7 2010, 2:30pm


Views: 1337
I'm not buying it ... there is still hope

 


sphdle1
Gondor


Sep 7 2010, 2:38pm


Views: 1383
Doesn't seem right

That studios don't pay the actors on films like these that are guaranteed to make them100's of millions in profit...that's just pure greed...the actors do some of the hardest and most important work in a film (especially characters like Sam), and shareholders reap all the benefits..!?

OK maybe for LOTR movies (or at least the first one), but after you know the movies to follow will make huge profits, it is pure capitalistic greed that would not pay lead actors a fair share. I would think Jackson (a mulit-millionaire because of LOTR films) would at least look after his lead actors better, if the studio shareholders are unwilling to part with a couple of million in pocket change..!?

I meant to add...do you know Martin Freeman? Just curious as to why you don't think he will be cast..


(This post was edited by sphdle1 on Sep 7 2010, 2:39pm)


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Sep 7 2010, 2:54pm


Views: 1314
Thanks Altaira!

I try. Blush I hope it is only a rumor, after all "The Sun" isn't all bad. They did rescue that parasailing donkey, and nothing says top notch journalism like this front page:


Click Here for the full story

At any rate, a minimum seven figure salary of: $1,000,000 seems unlikely to me, (too high) but who knows? Maybe another season of TV pays better and it is steady work with the possibility of more seasons and work to come. Once The Hobbit finished filming, he'd be unemployed, so it may well be true.

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Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Sep 7 2010, 3:37pm


Views: 2020
Update from the Home Page: Martin Freeman was First Choice for Bilbo

(Re-posted News From Bree post from the Home Page to keep the Martin Freeman discussion in one thread)

With the recent news, from the somewhat questionable source at The Sun, that Martin Freeman has declined to be a lead in two 'Hobbit' films, it is time to talk Bilbo Baggins.

While we have no information (yet) if Freeman actually turned down the role, we can say with absolute certainty that he was the first choice to step into the hairy Hobbit feet as early as last year. Developing and keeping good sources means that sometimes secrets must stay secret but since Freeman has been outed now, we can definitively declare that 'The Sun' article is absolutely talking about the right actor and so the rest of the story may well have merit.

However, the source, or the authors, seem a little confused. The story claims in quotes: "MGM, who are making the film, only got a formal offer over in the last couple of weeks."

Those following the production, even moderately carefully, will know that MGM is in deep financial trouble and it seems much more likely that the offer, if a formal one was provided, would have come from Warner Bros. and not MGM which lacks a leadership team. But, if a formal offer did come, it points toward MGM's September 15 deadline as actually meaning something with change with the legendary studio, allowing production to start.

The story also fits with news we heard recently of another round of casting for Bilbo, despite hearing that Freeman was already very much wanted for the role, lending the idea that he no longer in the picture some credibility. On that front we will follow up with a story later and perhaps an inadvertently leaked story detail.

The whole waiting game that forced director Guillermo del Toro to step away from the production and get back to his job or directing movies may have cost the films an excellent 'Bilbo' as well. If readers will permit just a bit of editorializing, this reporter at least was very much looking forward to seeing Martin as Bilbo Baggins and can only hope that 'The Sun' was given incorrect information or that Freeman would reconsider or somehow juggle his schedule and not pass up a role that would immortalize him and deliver perfectly for fans.



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(This post was edited by Altaira on Sep 7 2010, 3:37pm)


deej
Tol Eressea


Sep 7 2010, 3:40pm


Views: 1327
Well...

From what I have heard this report is fairly accurate. And I am sad, because Martin Freeman has been my top choice for quite a while.


"...and back again."



Tim
Tol Eressea


Sep 7 2010, 3:42pm


Views: 1425
Bwahahahahahhaa

Sweet my first choice was GDT and PJ's first choice. Great minds think alike. Angelic

Now we just have to find out if it's true he's not going to be in it. Let me be first to say if this is true Mr. Freeman please reconsider!

King Arthur: Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: There are some who call me... Tim.

Tim: Follow. But. Follow only if ye be TORNsibs of valour, for the making of The Hobbit is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel that no TORNsib yet has fought with it and lived. Bones of an A List veteran director lie strewn about its lair. So, brave TORNsibs, if you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further, for Hollywood studio bureaucratic ineptitude awaits you all with nasty, big, pointy teeth!

Studio Exec: And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped.
Studio CEO: This new learning amazes me, Studio Lapdog. Explain again how sheeps' bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.


Bond-Of-Blood
Rivendell

Sep 7 2010, 3:43pm


Views: 1356
How we get paid...

We actors get differently to normal folk.

First of all nobody knows what final production costs will run to compared to how popular the movie will be and what it will gross so talent costs during production are always kept at a minimum.

We are often then paid a minimal "retainer" whilst shooting followed by several bonus payments or royalties based on the performance of the movie and associated marketing and merchandising.

Elijah, Ian, Viggo and other lead characters in LOTR were paid around USD $800 per day retainer plus food and lodgings followed by post production and release bonuses that were in the region of USD $500k per bonus amounting to around USD $5-6million total "fee".
Other supporting principle cast members received around USD$400 per day retainer plus food and lodgings and final bonuses amounting to around USD $2-3million. Some lesser and unknown actors like my friend Billy received less and you normally see these actors earning extra income doing the convention circuits.

Finally, no I don't know Martin personally I just feel there may be better and perhaps lesser known actors for Bilbo. For me, Martin's comedic performances are so good...(perhaps too good) to convincingly sell the seriousness and range of emotions that Bilbo frequently needs to portray.


Voorhas
Lorien


Sep 7 2010, 3:47pm


Views: 1374
Unfortunate, If True.

I loved Freeman's work in The Office and thought he'd be great (no, fantastic!) in the part.

This production is turning into a casebook study on wasted opportunities. Frustrating for the fans, I imagine much moreso for the filmmakers themselves.


duats
Grey Havens

Sep 7 2010, 3:51pm


Views: 1315
Wow

I didn't realize that The Sun was the one who reported this. It could very well be BS. These are the guys who reported that Eddie Murphy would be The Riddler in Batman 3.

Guess I'll continue to keep my fingers crossed.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Sep 7 2010, 4:05pm


Views: 1314
Yeah but

Yeah but I've seen too many "comedians" turn very well to drama to write off Freeman on that basis. He's got that angsty twitchy energy I can see Bilbo emoting as the Dwarves merrily take over his home at the beginning of The Hobbit. Just my two cents. Thanks for the info on how actors get paid.

King Arthur: Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: There are some who call me... Tim.

Tim: Follow. But. Follow only if ye be TORNsibs of valour, for the making of The Hobbit is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel that no TORNsib yet has fought with it and lived. Bones of an A List veteran director lie strewn about its lair. So, brave TORNsibs, if you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further, for Hollywood studio bureaucratic ineptitude awaits you all with nasty, big, pointy teeth!

Studio Exec: And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped.
Studio CEO: This new learning amazes me, Studio Lapdog. Explain again how sheeps' bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.


Uruk-Hai
The Shire


Sep 7 2010, 4:38pm


Views: 1335
MGM has done what Sauron could not.

This thing all things devours:
Birds, beasts, trees, flowers:
Gnaws iron, bites steel:
Grinds hard stones to meal:
Slays king, ruins town,
And beats high mountains down!

(and delay until actor signs on to other roles)


(This post was edited by Uruk-Hai on Sep 7 2010, 4:40pm)


jschomburg
Rivendell

Sep 7 2010, 5:36pm


Views: 1321
Down the road a bit....

It will be interesting to see how much of this "trauma" is covered in any extras on a blu-ray of the films - aka Extended Edition.


greendragon
Sr. Staff


Sep 7 2010, 6:38pm


Views: 1291
'a casebook study on wasted opportunities' - well put!

So true. Dragging of feet is damaging these movies before they even get going... Frown

'There are older and fouler things than orcs in the deep places of my fridge...'

'You never know what will happen next, when once you get mixed up with TORnsibs and their friends.'



Greenwood Hobbit
Grey Havens


Sep 7 2010, 7:22pm


Views: 1324
I have divided loyalties on this...

I think he would make a great Bilbo, and it's a shame, but I know he makes a great Watson to Benedict Cumberbatch's Sherlock. I fell for the new BBC 'Sherlock' series from a great height. For people who haven't seen Martin play 'serious' I can recommend it; he's certainly not a 'wussy sidekick' in my book! There will be a second set of three 90 minute shows screened in Autumn 2011 - and who knows, maybe more after that, if the quality remains as high as it was in the first three.

In an article I read recently that he has a two-year old child. Granted that it worked for Sean Astin and family, but - I'm merely guessing here! - not everyone wants to commit themselves and their family to that amount of time filming so far from home, and the resulting media circus etc, whatever the pay cheque may be.


chrismortega
Bree


Sep 7 2010, 7:42pm


Views: 1215
I agree


In Reply To
It will be interesting to see how much of this "trauma" is covered in any extras on a blu-ray of the films - aka Extended Edition.


I agree, I have been thinking this all along. As an extra-feature hungry nerd, I am practically salivating.

As for the news that this may in fact be true, it is very disheartening. Martin Freeman has been my first choice since the beginning, and I'm glad to know that Peter is at least as smart as me (haha). But it may be that there is some unknown actor out there who will break out of the woodwork and surprise us all as a definitive Bilbo.

...just don't let them use that dork McAvoy

"NEVER TRUST AN ELF!"


xpressive9
The Shire

Sep 7 2010, 7:56pm


Views: 1240
Both sides are hard to believe

On the one hand, it seems unbelievable that a cash-strapped studio like MGM would offer seven figures, especially in light of the LOTR actors not being paid near as much. However, on the other, the Sun is not the most reliable news source ever (no offense meant, but some of their headlines just make me laugh). I'm hoping that Freeman turning down the role is just a rumor - we need some good news about The Hobbit.

Not all those who wander are lost.

~J. R. R. Tolkien


dormouse
Half-elven

Sep 7 2010, 9:49pm


Views: 1236
Me too....

... but for different reasons.

I've never been able to imagine Martin Freeman as Bilbo so the idea that he doesn't want to be - if he doesn't - doesn't fill me with dismay. On the other hand, if he really is the production team's first choice, then I hope for their sake that this is no more reliable than any other story in The Sun. It must be so disheartening for them to face setback after setback (and if they want him then odds are that I'm wrong and he is a good choice).

But if he really doesn't want to do it, then I hope they manage to find someone just as good or maybe even better.

*cough... Tom Hollander.... cough*


Voorhas
Lorien


Sep 7 2010, 10:02pm


Views: 1277
Tom Hollander...

...doesn't project the same earnest fuzziness that Martin Freeman does, but I think he'd make an excellent Bilbo. He's a fine actor, and he and Ian Holm have a similar screen presence.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Sep 7 2010, 10:47pm


Views: 1206
Tom Hollander

He wouldn't make a bad Bilbo I suppose if he were costumed right - but Martin Freeman IS Bilbo to me - right now walking around in modern day clothes.

King Arthur: Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: There are some who call me... Tim.

Tim: Follow. But. Follow only if ye be TORNsibs of valour, for the making of The Hobbit is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel that no TORNsib yet has fought with it and lived. Bones of an A List veteran director lie strewn about its lair. So, brave TORNsibs, if you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further, for Hollywood Studio Bureaucratic Ineptitude awaits you all with nasty, big, pointy teeth!

Studio Exec: And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped.
Studio CEO: This new learning amazes me, Studio Lapdog. Explain again how sheeps' bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.


dormouse
Half-elven

Sep 7 2010, 11:30pm


Views: 1157
That's how I see..

... Tom Hollander - funny, isn't it, how differently we picture things. He even has the right build for a hobbit and in his most recent role on TV he had that same 'doing the right thing but also half resenting it' manner that Bilbo does.

But there you go, I'm no casting director, what do I know!


thesithempire
Rivendell

Sep 8 2010, 12:27am


Views: 1166
I really, REALLY hope the Sun is wrong

Martin was my first (and only) choice (as some of you know). He IS Bilbo in the way that Cate Blanchette WAS Galadriel and Ian McKellan WAS Gandalf. To this date, I can't see anyone else in those roles. And whatever flaws the films developed as they went on (and they were many), having a near-perfect cast was one of things that offset them and elevated the films.

It would be such a crime if first we lost DelToro and then we lost Martin to this stupid situation. I am heartened to know that he was, in fact, PJ and DelToro's first choice. Hopefully, the Sun is wrong. Either way, I think if there's any legitimate reason for holding up the films, it's for Martin. I feel the same about DelToro, except that I know his schedule isn't going to clear until about 2032.

Much as I'm looking forward to Martin's version of Watson, there's just no reason that the schedule of a BBC miniseries should prove insurmountable here.


AncalimŽ
The Shire


Sep 8 2010, 1:14am


Views: 1118
Well..

I'm just interested to hear any sort of casting news about the Hobbit!


DiveTwin
Rohan


Sep 8 2010, 2:06am


Views: 1155
Gandalf

Personally, I would have liked Martin Freeman as Bilbo. However, as he's not had the opportunity to grace the screen in that role, I am confident there are others that (given the opportunity) will nail the role. At least do it around the very high parameters that Ian Holm laid out.

My bigger worry is ensuring our Gandalf the Grey (Ian McKellen) will be available when this thing finally gets off the schnide......

"Do not come between the Nazgul and his prey"


The Party Tree
Lorien


Sep 8 2010, 3:31am


Views: 1091
My sympathies to Freeman fans, if true...

Personally, I'd prefer Colin Firth, but Freeman wouldn't have been a bad choice at all.



nenyacaster
Bree


Sep 8 2010, 5:02am


Views: 1116
cast him!

I'd like to see Martin Freeman in the role. The sun is a trash rag, so hopefully it can still happen.


phredegar
Bree

Sep 8 2010, 7:18am


Views: 1035
It's the Sauron wot won it

Since yesterday I think I've changed my mind about Martin Freeman as I was so disappointed with HHGTTG...however I think he'd be great - and isn't it lovely to have some encouraging news. September 22nd isn't far off! - Also, if anyone has any spare seven figured salary would you mind sending it mky way?


sharku
Rivendell

Sep 8 2010, 7:32am


Views: 1031
HHGTG

HHGTG wasn't bad because of Freeman, or Rockwell, or Dechanel. Or Stephen Fry, who was a somewhat inspired choice, given his comedic genealogy.

It was just too much story crammed into too little time, with much of the humour cut just as it was getting to the extended punchline that was a hallmark of Douglas Adam's writing.

Martin Freeman has long been my number one choice (short of a time-machined Ian Holm, of course), so I hope this rumour is only partially right (or wrong, depending on how you look at it) and that he is the 1st choice, but that he hasn't had to turn it down.

Having said that, at least it gives me a reassuring idea about the age and type of actor the creative team see as Bilbo. This much is good.


(This post was edited by sharku on Sep 8 2010, 7:35am)


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Sep 8 2010, 8:26am


Views: 1069
HHGTTG.

I know it is a lot to ask but...type out what this is referring to so that those of us not in the know don't have to waste time trying to guess. Thank you. KS.

Kangi Ska

Make the Hobbit Happen Now!

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Pipe Dream
Gondor


Sep 8 2010, 8:36am


Views: 1085
Somebody ask him already.

I thought for sure someone would have caught him on the street by now to ask if he really turned it down or not.
Anyway, here's a clip of him explaining his version of Dr. Watson.

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Pre-Pre-production goes ever on and on...


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Sep 8 2010, 8:37am


Views: 1067
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

It took me a sec. to figure that out too.

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Pre-Pre-production goes ever on and on...


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Sep 8 2010, 8:55am


Views: 1025
It is too early in the morning.

I dislike such abbreviations when they are written without explanation, as they seem either attempts at exclusivity or good examples of laziness. Now I am going to get my coffee.

GOC (Grumpy Old Crow)

Kangi Ska

Make the Hobbit Happen Now!

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Elladan
Rivendell

Sep 8 2010, 9:43am


Views: 1019
I dont think we need to worry about that.

Yes there have been many wasted opportunitys, but we cannot catagorically say that a Hobbit film with no delays would definately be better than a Hobbit film in which casting and crew choices had to be compromised. Just look at the Lord of the Rings, what if they had stuck with thier first choice for Aragorn? Or Viggo had said no? The out come could be very mixed.

I feel we can lament a lost opportunity, but so long as the films keep moving forwards we cannot decree that the films have been damaged, or that the theoretical original end product would have been better, at least until we see them in the cinema.

I would say that no, untested, actor is irreplaceable within the current franchise, we have to roll with the punches and assume the new Bilbo will be just as good, even if thier decisions are different to any other potential Bilbo.


ToshoftheWuffingas
Registered User

Sep 8 2010, 9:57am


Views: 1056
Tom Hollander or others

I'd never considered Tom Hollander before but he would be excellent. I could imagine his face becoming Ian Holm's with age too..
My proposal for Bilbo is David Mitchell. He could convey the cosy comfortable idler drawn against his better judgment into an adventure and also show the inner struggle between expedient cowardice and doing the right thing. He doesn't look like a hero and that was an inportant part of Bilbo.

Martin Freeman is very good and an absolute revelation in Sherlock but I always feel a bit of an edge in his performances. He does common decency well though.


phredegar
Bree

Sep 8 2010, 11:20am


Views: 1012
Sorry

Oh, dear, didn't mean to abbreviate heartlessly - I dislike all that too. There is a lovely abbrevaition in one of the later HHGTTG (sic) books however - a SEP (Someone Else's Problem)...

I think there's a connection - Douglas Adams tried for years to get Hollywood to do Hitch Hikers and what turned out was a lesser reflection on his creation. I think we're all lucky in having Sir PJ and his team caring about Tolkien's world enough to do it justice.


phredegar
Bree

Sep 8 2010, 11:50am


Views: 987
Stephen Fry

PS Stephen Fry was chosen for HHGTTG because he and Douglas Adams were close friends. Here's a thought - why not put in a bid for Martin Freeman AND Benedict Cumberbach - that'd slow Sherlock down and not The Hobbit!


sphdle1
Gondor


Sep 8 2010, 12:09pm


Views: 1049
Well that's something

At least some are getting bonuses...I wonder if when the first LOTR movie did so well, that they may have renegotiated a bit with some of the actors for the following two to come, or at least for the final one, after they knew they would clean up, based on the first two?

With a film like TH though; they are pretty much guaranteed close to a billion worldwide between the two movies, so they should be able to give a bit more up front I would hope...but I'm sure despite the near guaranteed success, they will do as you said above.

Have you seen 'Love Actually'? That's when I first thought Martin Freeman really showed his depth, whereby he had to play a more serious role, while the irony of the scenes was anything but serious, yet he pulled it off perfectly and held ground with some of the top British actors...his performance fit right in, and I totally bought into the chemistry between him and his love interest... and then he ends with a kind of comedic jump for joy, which immediately reminded me of Bilbo. I think he has the depth to act the serious parts equally as well...


(This post was edited by sphdle1 on Sep 8 2010, 12:11pm)


dormouse
Half-elven

Sep 8 2010, 1:24pm


Views: 998
Just for fun...

... here's a couple of Tom Hollander links - talking about the comedy Rev

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related

and about some other parts he's played

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related

He seems just right to me, and does have something of Ian Holm about him. I like your suggestion of David Mitchell too. But I'm sure that whoever they choose will become Bilbo and will be right when the time comes. It's just good to think that things might be starting to move (and it gives us something to talk about!)


Tim
Tol Eressea


Sep 8 2010, 2:26pm


Views: 979
I watched the videos

He does have a bit of Hobbit about him - I guess my quibbles would be he's got a baby-face and his face is a little long. Sounds silly no? It's not a bad thing to have a baby face (I have one). But he doesn't look like he's in his mid 40's to me, he looks like he's in his mid 30's. Ian Holm has a "rounder" face than Tom (to me). So does Martin Freeman. Now don't get me wrong - I'm not saying it's Martin Freeman or nothing. Both I believe have the acting chops to pull off the role.

I'm sure whoever gets it will do just fine - I'm just glad they're actually aiming for the age correctly instead of what they did with Frodo. I liked Elijah for the role but I do believe it could have been cast better.

King Arthur: Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: There are some who call me... Tim.

Tim: Follow. But. Follow only if ye be TORNsibs of valour, for the making of The Hobbit is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel that no TORNsib yet has fought with it and lived. Bones of an A List veteran director lie strewn about its lair. So, brave TORNsibs, if you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further, for Hollywood Studio Bureaucratic Ineptitude awaits you all with nasty, big, pointy teeth!

Studio Exec: And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped.
Studio CEO: This new learning amazes me, Studio Lapdog. Explain again how sheeps' bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.


Voorhas
Lorien


Sep 8 2010, 3:14pm


Views: 955
True...

 ...I don't mean to imply the film(s) will be bad because conditions X, Y, and Z won't be met. I'm sure the crew will adapt and make the best choices they can under the circumstances.


Voorhas
Lorien


Sep 8 2010, 3:18pm


Views: 969
Agreed...

...and I'd suggest that he handled the more serious moments in The Office (all the "relationship" stuff, for instance) very well.


Bound
Rohan

Sep 8 2010, 4:26pm


Views: 987
Time will tell..

I think like most people here, Martin Freeman was such a perfect choice. It's hard to see anyone else playing the part. But we just have to wait to see if it turns out this story is true.

Considering how long the movie is taking to get green lit - Freeman might end up becoming free again ... stranger things have happened. ..


xy
Rohan

Sep 8 2010, 5:39pm


Views: 935
for me

I'll always think of Arthur Dent when I see Freeman so that rules him out in my book.

And Elijah's age was just one of the two main problems with his casting...


Melkors_Wrath
Registered User

Sep 8 2010, 6:13pm


Views: 942
Great News!!

He's still in the mix!

http://popwatch.ew.com/...bbit-martin-freeman/


Oden
Rivendell


Sep 8 2010, 6:39pm


Views: 907
Which is more reliable

So now the question, is Entertainment Weekly more reliable than that other news source?

Maybe we are finally seeing the beginning of some big announcements.

Here's crossing my fingers...


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Sep 8 2010, 9:38pm


Views: 877
For me

When Ian Holm played Bilbo in LotR it never bothered me that played an Android that got decapitated in Alien. That is what acting is all about. The actor becomes the role. The recent Hitch Hiker's Guide was an unfortunate retelling of the story but it was not Martin Freeman's fault. He is one of the two or three actors working today that suites the role. He will be Bilbo if cast.

Kangi Ska

Make the Hobbit Happen Now!

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sharku
Rivendell

Sep 8 2010, 11:51pm


Views: 916
H2G2 and other things


In Reply To
I dislike such abbreviations when they are written without explanation, as they seem either attempts at exclusivity or good examples of laziness.


..much like TORN or LOTR, no?

But now you know, and are now part of the exclusive HHGTTG club ;)

Douglas Adams himself coined the acronym H2G2 in reference to the universe he (and not God) created: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H2g2

REally, Kangi - you must keep up with the geek state of play! :p


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Sep 9 2010, 12:55am


Views: 781
I was up at 3 AM on my way to my first day of work in a week.

I needed things spelt out. And yes TORN or LOTR do qualify. Though being here you learn and get use to them. It is still good to limit the use of acronyms and to include the long version for the sake of the multitude not in the know.


Kangi Ska

Make the Hobbit Happen Now!

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phredegar
Bree

Sep 9 2010, 7:09am


Views: 758
May I be the first to say it?

So...in terms of Martin Freeman's schedule, what they are doing is ruling out the impossible and whatever's left, however improbable, must be the solution. Elementary, my dear Bilbo...


sphdle1
Gondor


Sep 9 2010, 11:53am


Views: 734
Can anyone explain...

When I go to the grocery store and see 10 different magazines/tossers, there are usually 2 or 3 that are legit (People Magazine, Vogue, etc.), and all the rest, which try to look like People magazine, are complete tabloid trash with some truth and many fabricated lies. Why do so many people buy the tabloid junk and actually believe it as a source of information?

I just laugh at everything that I see on those covers, and usually I'm shocked when every now and then something they exploit turns out to be relatively true (doesn't happen that often).

How many times have Brad and Angelina 'supposedly' broken up in these tossers, yet it's all just lies? Why do so many people believe this stuff & actually pay money to make the shareholders of the magazines rich on spreading lies?
Is it a lack of intelligence in many people, or is it just so many are gullible? I just don't understand the mentality...


Mortimus
Bree

Sep 14 2010, 9:48pm


Views: 695
Should we call John Krasinski yet? /

 


sphdle1
Gondor


Sep 15 2010, 3:05pm


Views: 698
6' 3" A bit too tall

 


Tim
Tol Eressea


Sep 15 2010, 4:09pm


Views: 641
True

he's too tall, but he's got the right kinda face for hobbit-ness.

King Arthur: Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: There are some who call me... Tim.

Tim: No I don't talk about my love life for a very good reason, and that reason is I don't have one. Which is very good news for the ladies-I am still available. I'm a heck of a catch, cos, er well look at it. I live in Slough, in a lovely house, with my parents. I have my own room, which I've had since yep, since I was born. That's seen a lot of action I tell you. Mainly dusting. I went to university for a year as well, before I dropped out, so I'm a quitter. So, er, form an orderly queue ladies.


Mortimus
Bree

Sep 15 2010, 9:19pm


Views: 626
Jim is Tim!

Well that and... of course.... he's playing the Freeman character in the US Office... it was a kind of joke... hm.

I'll get my coat.Unsure


Tim
Tol Eressea


Sep 15 2010, 9:42pm


Views: 662
Ooooohhhhh

My bad! You're so right!

King Arthur: Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: There are some who call me... Tim.

Tim: No I don't talk about my love life for a very good reason, and that reason is I don't have one. Which is very good news for the ladies-I am still available. I'm a heck of a catch, cos, er well look at it. I live in Slough, in a lovely house, with my parents. I have my own room, which I've had since yep, since I was born. That's seen a lot of action I tell you. Mainly dusting. I went to university for a year as well, before I dropped out, so I'm a quitter. So, er, form an orderly queue ladies.


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Sep 18 2010, 1:46am


Views: 746
*eyebrows knit* ummmm....

While I really think Freeman would do a great job, I'm still waiting until I hear something from Peter. Just more teasers and assumptions, imho.

sample sample

I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.



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