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aranelthehobbit22
Gondor


Jun 9 2010, 2:53am


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SCOD: June 8, 2010



  1. Edoras obviously took a lot of work, what do you think about it? It's such a shame that it all had to be taken down afterward. Any comments on the building of Edoras?
  2. The wind and cold seems to reflect Eowyn's sorrow, any thoughts?
  3. What about the music that plays during this scene, what do you think?
  4. Additional Comments?





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weaver
Half-elven

Jun 9 2010, 3:17am


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Another shot that looks like a painting to me...

Even if you don't know the back story on who that woman is standing there, you still get the sense, just by looking at this image, that she's lonely and fragile, and waiting for something, gazing out like that; the scale of the setting, too, helps you think that she's like an actor on a stage, part of a bigger picture.

Of course, maybe someone else might look at this and figure she's just waiting for the pizza delivery guy!

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aranelthehobbit22
Gondor


Jun 9 2010, 3:26am


Views: 308
hahaha Weaver, love that about the pizza delivery man! lol

yes it is very cool to see how clear it is to see something of what is happening just by the whole atmosphere of it

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Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Jun 9 2010, 3:30am


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first they pick a stunningly beautiful location

then they make an amazing set
and on top of that an awe inspiring score

this has got to be one of the most beautiful scenes in the movie


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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jun 9 2010, 4:59am


Views: 333
Like a painting but not a painting

Edoras obviously took a lot of work, what do you think about it? It's such a shame that it all had to be taken down afterward. Any comments on the building of Edoras?
It is a shame. I like how Sir Ian spoke of the set pieces as artifacts on the EEs.

The wind and cold seems to reflect Eowyn's sorrow, any thoughts?
For me, at this point in the films, Eowyn's mood and outlook seemed to be on the upswing. Aragorn (unbeknownst to him of course) had proved himself to be worthy of her affection and desire; despite the loss of life at Helm's Deep, her every thought seems bent on Aragorn and the wonderful future they would share.

What about the music that plays during this scene, what do you think?
A favourite theme. A simple motif really, but ancient, noble and haunting all at once.

Additional Comments?
I would love to have been there when this image was made. Edoras was one of the few sets/locations not pieced together with green screens and matte paintings.



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Ataahua
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Jun 9 2010, 5:03am


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And yet

when I saw the film I thought the mountains were obviously a matt painting. Evidently they were too stunning for me to believe!

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Lord of Magic
Bree

Jun 9 2010, 8:05pm


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I was very impressed

That the took the care that they did in making sure that when they were finished, it would look as if nothing had ever happened there.

3) The instruments that he used were fantastic(i forget the types of course) but I do remember that he used many that were original to New Zealand, including a fiddle that plays the main Rohan theme

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Jettorex
Lorien


Jun 9 2010, 8:11pm


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stunning

the close up of Eowyns face in this scene gives me goosepimples every time i see it. Amazing.


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squire
Half-elven


Jun 9 2010, 9:37pm


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All of "lower Edoras" was a matte painting

But the most prominent part of the exterior set, the Golden Hall and the surrounding buildings and stables, was as you say built full scale in the middle of that landscape.

Remember that the interior of Theoden's hall was built on a sound stage. Eowyn's beautiful and dramatic race out onto the terrace was edited together from two stage sets and a "dressed location", with the shots taken probably weeks or months apart in time. In general, to say that a movie set was "pieced together with green screens and matte paintings" can be either a compliment or an insult. It depends solely on how well the pieces were put together! I thought Rivendell and Isengard (model and mattes) were just as successful as Edoras and Hobbiton (built on location).



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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jun 10 2010, 1:43am


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Oh yes

they were very successful! The point I was trying to make was that being there, on set at Edoras, would have been very much like being at Edoras since it was a complete installation -- minus the bits you mentioned of course. Not a value judgement, no, because as you say, on film all the locations were successful. But being there, would have been less convincing in the pieced together locations than at Edoras or Hobbiton.

Sorry about the confusion.


Magpie
Immortal


Jun 10 2010, 2:11am


Views: 338
a correction on instruments


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I do remember that he used many that were original to New Zealand, including a fiddle that plays the main Rohan theme



Actually, I don't think any instruments used were original to NZ. The fiddle used is a Hardanger fiddle which is from Norway. If you're curious, you can read more about the instruments here: http://www.amagpiesnest.com/...ents/instruments.htm

Shore did use Maori voices for Moria segments, however.



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aranelthehobbit22
Gondor


Jun 10 2010, 3:29am


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from my own observations

  • Edoras obviously took a lot of work, what do you think about it? It's such a shame that it all had to be taken down afterward. Any comments on the building of Edoras? I also wish that I could have been there and seen it all set up, this scene is beautiful. Apart from Hobbits I love the people of Rohan. There's this noble beauty about them. The music and costumes and set design were wonderfully done for these people!!

  • The wind and cold seems to reflect Eowyn's sorrow, any thoughts? It is obviously a sad part, and the beauty of the mountains are adding to it. The whole thing is beautiful and sad, heartwrenching. The music and mountains and wind and Eowyns expression all go beautifully!
  • The mountains here are amazing, it's incredible that there is anything so incredible, that is the place I want to go the most, Mt. Sunday. Reminds me of a quote from Cameron Duncan's DFK6498: "I dream of seeing things so beautiful that it hurts to watch them."
  • What about the music that plays during this scene, what do you think? It's some of my favorite from the soundtrack

  • Additional Comments? I want to go to this place so bad, even though all the buildings aren't there anymore, the mountains are so georgeous it almost makes you cry


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    SirDennisC
    Half-elven


    Jun 10 2010, 4:37am


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    Maori

    Maori is an anagram of Moria (or vice versa). Coincidence?


    Nuradar
    Rohan


    Jun 10 2010, 1:48pm


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    an odd protrusion of rock

    I still think that Edoras (I forget the name of the real place in NZ) looks like a bizzare freak of nature. It's such a strange protrusion of rock in the middle of a huge expanse of flat land. At first I thought they "built" it for the movie, only to be shocked to find out it's actually real.

    The Golden Hall is fantastic - love the horse motifs everywhere.

    Nuradar


    Ethel Duath
    Half-elven


    Jun 10 2010, 3:27pm


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    Oh My, Oh My!

    I knew that was a Hardanger the minute I heard it in the movie, even though I'm not sure I'd ever heard one play. My dad sometimes talked about them and described them--and as soon as I heard the "violin-not-a-violin" sound with that deeper buzz (plus the Nordic setting), I knew. I could feel my hair start to stand on end with that incredible sound, and the wind and Edoras--time machine moment! The double fiddle I had no idea about. I listened to the clip, and tried to hear the 2 strings sounding at once, but I couldn't. (Even though they'd have been exactly the same pitch, there should have been a slight "tone color" difference, or a bit of a buzz, but it's very likely it wouldn't be audible without the best sound system (or in the Movie). Or, he's got nice wide fingertips that cover both strings so well, he managed to blend it perfectly!

    Fascinating! (Said Spock). I sent the page link to my dad. He'll not only love it, but will likely come up with several opinions and theories about the whole thing!


    Magpie
    Immortal


    Jun 10 2010, 9:29pm


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    Hardanger Fiddle tunes

    Lots of 'em here.


    And.. if you'd like to see some dancing to the Hardanger....

    I find the music and the movement really thrilling, somehow. I can't do that dancing, btw.


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    Oiotári
    Tol Eressea


    Jun 10 2010, 10:26pm


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    It has a very distinctive sound to it

    I'm still working my way through all of the sound clips, almost there

    The dance was nice to
    though I chuckled at the slightly out of place acrobatics
    I liked how the sounded footsteps timed to the music

    and as a bonus, since I'm using Windows Media Player, there's purdy colors too Tongue


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    Ethel Duath
    Half-elven


    Jun 11 2010, 5:15pm


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    Well, this is strange,

    I can't get anything from theat web page to play, although the web page itself displays just fine. The second I click on a link ir goes to a mostly blank page with this in the upper left corner:

    Download Attachment
    Click here to download your attachment.





    So I click "here" and it seems to try to go somewhere, but it just "blinks" for minute and stays on this same blank page. I'm using Firefox, and it doesn't show that "allow" bar for this, or any other indication. Anyone have any ideas? ;(


    Ethel Duath
    Half-elven


    Jun 11 2010, 5:21pm


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    Well, well, I got it to work in Camino! : / ??!! //

     


    Oiotári
    Tol Eressea


    Jun 11 2010, 5:22pm


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    I can tell you what happened when I opened them, if that helps

    I'm using Firefox as well

    I got the same Google sites page
    I clicked on the "here" which brought up a box asking me what program I wanted to view the file with
    Windows Media Player was already selected, so I clicked okay and a screen with the music playing came up

    that probably didn't help though

    maybe Magpie can help, she's the tech wiz


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    Oiotári
    Tol Eressea


    Jun 11 2010, 5:28pm


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    if the internet made sense all the time, it wouldn't be nearly as fun ;) //

     


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    Ethel Duath
    Half-elven


    Jun 11 2010, 5:43pm


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    Do you know who Bela Bartok was? 4 of these tunes

    sound almost exactly like the music he dug up in Hungary and other parts of Eastern Europe when he and Zoltan Kodaly went around recording the indigenous folk music of the area (in the "Western World" what people thought of as Hungarian Folk music "back then" was really Romany style--also very cool; but not the same thing. The two areas on your website, Magpie, that sound like this are the first and last from "Hallingdal" and the first 2 from "Numedal" (Numenor?! Wink)

    The others don't sound anything like it at all. The similarities are striking--intervals, timing--are these areas closer to, say old "Uralic Speaking" areas (controversial--but that's what it appears some linguists think Hungarian is a part of as a language family), or at least, areas that might have had influences/migrations out or in from Eastern Europe? I have loved Bartok's more folk-oriented music from early childhood; and I teach from a vioin method that has several pieces Bartok wrote/adapted based on the E. European folk music he discovered in his travels--so I really am quite sure of the simiarities. HMMMM!!Unimpressed



    Ethel Duath
    Half-elven


    Jun 11 2010, 5:47pm


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    Just watched the dancing--

    Love that big, round skirt puffing out!


    Ethel Duath
    Half-elven


    Jun 11 2010, 5:50pm


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    Yes, Camino gave me that little box. Firefox wouldn't give it to me. I wants it Firefox my love.

    Give it to us--it's our birthday (not). Sly


    Oiotári
    Tol Eressea


    Jun 11 2010, 5:53pm


    Views: 218
    but the box is its precsious...

    maybe you had already selected it to open files with a certain program, and that program wasn't appropriate for music files
    if that's the case there's probably a way to change that, somewhere in Firefox's menu whatchmacallit


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    Ethel Duath
    Half-elven


    Jun 11 2010, 6:01pm


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    Umm . . .could you say that again in Uralic? ;)

    Don't worry--I'll get it eventually!


    Oiotári
    Tol Eressea


    Jun 11 2010, 6:06pm


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    I can smack my keyboard and pretend it's Uralic //

     


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    Magpie
    Immortal


    Jun 11 2010, 8:40pm


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    It seems I'm not needed for help

    I hadn't actually tried the links when I linked to it. I first visited that site years ago and had quite a few of those tunes downloaded to listen to. The last time I accessed that site, you did not get that Google page thingie... That was odd. But one thing I'll do when I'm not sure something is opening is to right click and chose 'save file as'. Then I should get a pop up window saying, 'where?' and 'what should we call it?'.

    And then I can use Firefox > Tools > Download to monitor the progress.

    If you have your browser set to automatically play certain files with a certain piece of software and not to bother asking you what you want to do, it's possible the browser is downloading the file and taking a long time to do it but you don't realize it's downloading (did that make any sense). I had bookmarked a certain Russian site that had a lot of obscure Tolkien inspired music on it that routinely took up to an hour to download a 3 minute music file. Without the Download Manager of Firefox to monitor, I'd have no way of knowing what was going on.


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    Magpie
    Immortal


    Jun 11 2010, 8:51pm


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    clarification

    The two areas on your website, Magpie, that sound like this are the first and last from "Hallingdal" and the first 2 from "Numedal"

    I'm not sure if it was just the way you phrased it but I wanted to be clear that website (with all the Hardanger samples) is not *my* website. But maybe by "your" you meant "the website you linked to".

    I am familiar with Bartok but I'm not a huge fan of a lot of his work.

    I also know the name Kodaly from a method of teaching the music teacher in the school I worked at used. But beyond that, your post flew way over my head.

    I did get the point about similarities, however. I am fond of finding these in literature.I used to read children's literature in classrooms and was fond of folk tales and legends. It's amazing how many similarities can be found from cultures seemingly quite distant or distinct from one another.

    Here's another page offering downloads at that site. They may be the same samples or different ones, I'm not sure.


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    Magpie
    Immortal


    Jun 11 2010, 8:58pm


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    I suspect the acrobatics

    are a way of showing off. It's not unusual for opportunities for showing off to be worked into folk dances. And keep in mind, for many cultures/time periods, folk dancing was an opportunity for young people to mingle freely with the opposite gender. So a young man would surely have lots of lasses to admire his acrobatics.

    But I can't say that's what's happening in this style (called Springar)


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    Ethel Duath
    Half-elven


    Jun 12 2010, 12:33am


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    Yes, I wonder if that's what's been happpening-

    but at least Camino works, and is free! Thanks for answering--all good ideas.Smile


    Ethel Duath
    Half-elven


    Jun 12 2010, 12:48am


    Views: 165
    Yes, I meant "the one you had a link to." Picking Cherries all day

    has gone to my headCrazy

    I didn't mean to be confusing--you have so much information at your finger tips, I just wondered if you or somone else here knew if those areas of Norway had any --probably pretty old (pre-18th century)--connection with Eastern Europe. The music is just too similar (just in those 4 instances) to not have some connection--at least in my "non-musicologist" opinion (those intrepid souls would put any linguist to shame, they way they live out their lives in music libraries, analyzing, comparing and theorizing!). I just thought it was cool to the point of goosebumps to hear the same "language" being (to my ear) virtually identical in some spots to that from a completely different area. It was as if someone came upon a tribe of ancient Chinese-language speakers in the middle of Latvia!Smile


    Ethel Duath
    Half-elven


    Jun 12 2010, 2:10am


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    Yes, I meant "the one you had a link to." Picking Cherries all day

    has gone to my headCrazy

    I didn't mean to be confusing--you have so much information at your finger tips, I just wondered if you or someone else here knew if those areas of Norway had any --probably pretty old (pre-18th century)--connection with Eastern Europe. The music is just too similar (just in those 4 instances) to not have some connection--at least in my "non-musicologist" opinion (those intrepid souls would put any linguist to shame, they way they live out their lives in music libraries, analyzing, comparing and theorizing!). I just thought it was cool to the point of goosebumps to hear the same "language" being (to my ear) virtually identical in some spots to that from a completely different area. It was as if someone came upon a tribe of ancient Chinese-language speakers in the middle of Latvia!Smile


    Ethel Duath
    Half-elven


    Jun 12 2010, 2:14am


    Views: 158
    Sorry! I did mean the website you had a link to. Picking cherries most of the day

    has gone to my headCrazy

    I didn't mean to be confusing--you have so much information at your finger tips, I just wondered if you or someone else here knew if those areas of Norway had any --probably pretty old (pre-18th century)--connection with Eastern Europe. The music is just too similar (just in those 4 instances) to not have some connection--at least in my "non-musicologist" opinion (those intrepid souls would put any linguist to shame, they way they live out their lives in music libraries, analyzing, comparing and theorizing!). I just thought it was cool to the point of goosebumps to hear the same "language" being (to my ear) virtually identical in some spots to that from a completely different area. It was as if someone came upon a tribe of ancient Chinese-language speakers in the middle of Latvia!Smile


    Loresilme
    Valinor


    Jun 12 2010, 10:45pm


    Views: 216
    Hard to believe

    this backdrop is real. The plains leading up to that sudden mountain range are just incredible. Mr. Loresilme is is not a fantasy fan, so he's only watched the films with me occasionally, but there are three specific things about them that he enjoys: the miniature/bigature work, the Ents march on Isengard, and the scenery of New Zealand. This is a beautiful shot.
    1. Edoras obviously took a lot of work, what do you think about it? It's such a shame that it all had to be taken down afterward. Any comments on the building of Edoras?
      It reminds me of the monks who create those beautiful sand drawings and then let them be destroyed by rain and water.
    2. The wind and cold seems to reflect Eowyn's sorrow, any thoughts?
      iirc, there are a few scenes where Eowyn comes to this spot? It's like when you've got one of those special places you go to, when you need to clear your head, calm down, heal yourself. Where when you get there, you're able to just take a deep breath and get centered. There are places like that, that are the equivalent of splashing cold water on your face. This seems to be Eowyn's special place.

    Lovely screencap, thank you!