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Ataahua
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Apr 17 2010, 10:40pm


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Middle-earth Conspiracy Theories

What was Saruman's real reason for wanting to get his hands on the One Ring?

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Compa_Mighty
Tol Eressea


Apr 18 2010, 12:05am


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An unhealthy knack for collectible jewelry. //

 

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Elven
Valinor


Apr 18 2010, 12:22am


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He was also the Keeper of the Square Peg and needed to complete the set //

 


Swishtail.
Avatar: Pippins Mother


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Darkstone
Immortal


Apr 18 2010, 12:22am


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Mrs. Saruman /

 

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I shall be telling this with a sigh
Sometime hours and hours hence:
In The Green Dragon two ales could buy
And drank the one less filling I
And that has made all the difference.
- The Ale Less Filling, by Robert Frostymug


Darkstone
Immortal


Apr 18 2010, 12:24am


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The secret messages in the palantir were driving him crazy so he needed a decoder ring! /

 

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I shall be telling this with a sigh
Sometime hours and hours hence:
In The Green Dragon two ales could buy
And drank the one less filling I
And that has made all the difference.
- The Ale Less Filling, by Robert Frostymug


Darkstone
Immortal


Apr 18 2010, 12:26am


Views: 1935
The ring was just the right size for a weinie like him. /

 

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I shall be telling this with a sigh
Sometime hours and hours hence:
In The Green Dragon two ales could buy
And drank the one less filling I
And that has made all the difference.
- The Ale Less Filling, by Robert Frostymug


Penthe
Gondor


Apr 18 2010, 1:23am


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If you liked it you shoulda put a ring on it//

 

Now?


GAndyalf
Valinor

Apr 18 2010, 1:25am


Views: 1982
It was his birthday and he wants it!//

 

"Be good, be careful, have fun, don't get arrested!"
---Marcia Michelle Alexander Hamilton, 7 Nov 1955 - 19 Nov 2009


sador
Half-elven


Apr 18 2010, 2:25am


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"Hubby, what has become of that Ring that I gave you?" "I'm sorry dear, but I'm afraid that I lost it." //

 

"It will support thee and defend thee from weariness" - Cirdan.




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GAndyalf
Valinor

Apr 18 2010, 2:32am


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"WHAAAAAAAAAATTT?!!"//

 

"Be good, be careful, have fun, don't get arrested!"
---Marcia Michelle Alexander Hamilton, 7 Nov 1955 - 19 Nov 2009


Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Apr 18 2010, 3:08am


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Because one Ring of Isengard deserves another! //

 

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White-socks my little lad


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Apr 18 2010, 3:09am


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He really just wanted to be popular and thought a little bling might help the image.//

 

Kangi Ska

There is no place like the Shire...There is no place like the Shire...There is no place like the Shire...

At night one cannot tell if crows are black or white.

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Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Apr 18 2010, 3:17am


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Wanted to create an avatar and *real* ringtone to scare the lashes off Sauron for his iPalantir.//

 

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White-socks my little lad


Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Apr 18 2010, 3:20am


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Dangler for his piercing.//

 

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White-socks my little lad


paleostone
Bree


Apr 18 2010, 4:01am


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He had just seen it on HSN and they offered it on Flex Pay

 


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Apr 18 2010, 9:57am


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"It was over there... on the mantlepiece!" //

 

sample sample

"There is more in you of good than you know, child of the kindly West."
~Hug like a hobbit!~

I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.



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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Apr 18 2010, 10:02am


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He wanted to have it to add to his collection of 4 dwarf Rings he fooled everyone to think the dragons ate //

 

sample sample

"There is more in you of good than you know, child of the kindly West."
~Hug like a hobbit!~

I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.



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7777777
Rivendell


Apr 18 2010, 10:08am


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High re-sale value. //

 



Dwarf for hire: Have Battle-Axe and Boots. Willing to travel.




"Something, something, something Darkside. Something, something, something complete."


Rockblossom
Registered User

Apr 18 2010, 12:36pm


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He wanted to fix that embarrassing misspelled word in the Elvin script ..

before someone realized what the writing really said.


GAndyalf
Valinor

Apr 18 2010, 2:47pm


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"My child," Saruman faking it lied, "There are letters on this Ring that won't light on one side!"//

 

"Be good, be careful, have fun, don't get arrested!"
---Marcia Michelle Alexander Hamilton, 7 Nov 1955 - 19 Nov 2009


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Apr 18 2010, 3:41pm


Views: 1872
It would have been the shining highlight of his

annual Isengard Ring Toss Tournament.

Samuel L. Jackson for Bilbo, Woody Allen for Thorin, Lewis Black for Bard and Gilbert Gottfried for Smaug!

MAKE IT HAPPEN, PETER AND GUILLERMO!!!


Rockblossom
Registered User

Apr 18 2010, 4:00pm


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He needed the imbedded Clean Robes spell ..

because you just can't trust Orcs with the good laundry.


RosieLass
Valinor


Apr 18 2010, 5:48pm


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It matched his watch and tie-clip. //

 

"Rabbit's clever," said Pooh thoughtfully.
"Yes," said Piglet, "Rabbit's clever."
"And he has Brains."
"Yes," said Piglet, "Rabbit has Brains."
There was a long silence.
"I suppose," said Pooh, "that that's why he never understands anything."


- A. A. Milne


Darkstone
Immortal


Apr 18 2010, 5:57pm


Views: 1868
His mind of metal and wheels sprung a leak so he needed a good grommet. /

 

******************************************
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Sometime hours and hours hence:
In The Green Dragon two ales could buy
And drank the one less filling I
And that has made all the difference.
- The Ale Less Filling, by Robert Frostymug


Laerasėa
Tol Eressea


Apr 18 2010, 6:12pm


Views: 1863
No...it was here...in his pocket! //

 

"In the hopes of reaching the moon, men fail to see the flowers that blossom at their feet." -Albert Schweitzer

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Laerasėa
Tol Eressea


Apr 18 2010, 6:14pm


Views: 759
Or a belly button ring?

Eew, I can't believe I just thought of that! Don't think that'd work for Sauron...*shudder*
Tongue

"In the hopes of reaching the moon, men fail to see the flowers that blossom at their feet." -Albert Schweitzer

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Laerasėa
Tol Eressea


Apr 18 2010, 6:15pm


Views: 814
"So I'm taking it home to my workshop, my dear."

""I'll fix it up there. Then I'll bring it back here."

"In the hopes of reaching the moon, men fail to see the flowers that blossom at their feet." -Albert Schweitzer

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Compa_Mighty
Tol Eressea


Apr 18 2010, 10:30pm


Views: 668
Mods up!!! //

 

Here's to Del Toro becoming the Irvin Kershner of Middle Earth!

Essay winner of the Show us your Hobbit Pride Giveway!


hunter771
Registered User


Apr 18 2010, 11:49pm


Views: 705
Because...

...he wants his precious.

long have you hunted me
long have I eluded you


N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Apr 19 2010, 2:27am


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concerning Hobbits
The Shire

Apr 19 2010, 3:01am


Views: 634
power!


In Reply To
What was Saruman's real reason for wanting to get his hands on the One Ring?


To regain his former glory and rule the world!


debo
Rohan

Apr 19 2010, 6:09am


Views: 665
To draw attention to his manicured hands:)

 

Frodo; "What I chiefly need now is courage . . ."


debo
Rohan

Apr 19 2010, 6:10am


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To FEEL the power- rather like having the TV remote:)

 

Frodo; "What I chiefly need now is courage . . ."


Compa_Mighty
Tol Eressea


Apr 19 2010, 2:26pm


Views: 619
That was great, thanks! //

 

Here's to Del Toro becoming the Irvin Kershner of Middle Earth!

Essay winner of the Show us your Hobbit Pride Giveway!


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Apr 19 2010, 5:03pm


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His high end collection of LOTR movie memorbilia could not be complete without it. /

 


the_argonath
Lorien


Apr 19 2010, 6:34pm


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His old ring made his finger go green //

 

~*Haudh-en-Ndengin the Elves named it, the Hill of Slain, and Haugh-en-Nirnaeth, the Hill of tears... the earth beneath which the swords of the Eldar and the Edain crumbled into rust*~



Sandyman
The Shire


Apr 19 2010, 7:13pm


Views: 728
Because it's shiny, cap'n!

 



E-Man23
Registered User

Apr 19 2010, 9:38pm


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Wasn't available in stores, only while supplies lasted! It was a One of a kind.

 


Wanderer
Registered User

Apr 20 2010, 1:48am


Views: 675
Pride?

I'm thinking his initial reason was for good. But, the power of Sauron corrupted his vision. After all, the Elves wanted Gandalf to be the white wizard but he declined saying that Saruman had studied the enemy more. I am guessing pride got the better of Saruman. He thought he could handle it and he couldn't before he realized...he was in too far and lost the battle of wills.


TheGreatCoolEnergy
The Shire


Apr 20 2010, 2:48am


Views: 714
The True Reason

Well, when I read this conspiracy, I took a moment to think it over. Do I take the low road by stating the obvious(He wanted to over throw Sauron, becoming the dominant power in Middle Earth) or do I take the High Road and think up something original?

I'll take the high road.

Why Saruman Wanted the Ring
A GreatCool Case Study

The Question: What was the true motivation that cause a renowned and wise wizard to renounce he previous alliances, "turn to the dark side", and ultimately cause his own demise?

The Facts:
(What we know; correct me if any of this is inaccurate)

Saruman- A famous wizard, know associate of Gandalf the Grey. However, he decided to betray the 'good' factions of Middle Earth, and attempt to take the ring for his own, for unknow reasons.

Middle Earth- A realm inhabitted by various factions, although during the events of Saurumans's betrayal, there was arguably three world powers in play: Gondor, Rohan, and Mordor. While Gondor and Rohan were allied, they were greatly out numbered, and Mordor had a secret weapon: the Ring.

The Ring- A weapon of amazing power in the hands of those who know how to use it, the ring was the item that determined the war. Sauron obviously wanted possetion of it; with it he would be unstoppable. Because of this, the other factions obviously wanted to keep the ring from Sauron. They decided there best choice would be sending a realatively weak 'hero' on a quest across the know world, deep into enemy territory, with the intention of destroying the ring. Who recomended this death trip? Gandalf.

Gandalf- A long time friend of Sauruman, he also visited him multiple times between noticing the weak hobit Frodo acquired the ring, and arriving at the council of Elrond.

My Theory

Looking over this, as well as other factors, I believe that Saruman truely did intend to over throw Sauron. However, I think he was just a pawn in somebody else's game of chess. Who was controlling Saruman? Gandalf the Grey. Gandalf knew Saruman wanted the ring. He also knew Sauron wanted the ring. And I think deep down, Gandalf wanted the ring as well.

But Gandalf was not dumb; he knew that if Sauron was able to get the ring, his oppertunity would be lost. He also knew that if he just killed Frodo and took the ring, he would not be able to use it to take over the known world; I believe Gandalf wanted to use the ring to win the war, and gain dominion over the free people of Middle Earth. So he allowed Saruman to use the Pallentir, knowing full well that it would corrupt him horribly. Infact, Gandalf may have planted the Pallentir for Saruman to find; he knew an awful lot about it, and seemed to take it with him when he left Orthanc, almost as if he felt it belonged to him.

Knowing the Pallentir would corrupt Saruman, Gandalf the attended the council of Elrond, setting up his Xantos Gambit: If the fellowship went through the lands Saruman was contesting, they would surely be caught, at which point Gandalf would kill Saruman and claim the ring. If they didn't get caught, they would go to Minas Tirith, where(a corrupted) Borimir would attempt to take the ring by force. Gandalf could kill Borimir, and then take the ring for himself.

What Gandalf didn't account for was the fellowship breaking up; this event threw his Xantos Gambit out the window, and allowed Frodo(and the ring) to slip through his fingers. That is also why he was eager to attack the Black Gate; he was unaware of Gollum's intervention, and must have assumed Frodo would have been camping by the Black Gate, trying to figure a way inside. If Gandalf had been able to intercept Frodo, the ring would be his.

In short, Saruman was manipulated by Gandalf to want the ring, so Gandalf would have reason to kill him and take it as his own.

Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out.

(This post was edited by TheGreatCoolEnergy on Apr 20 2010, 2:51am)


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Apr 20 2010, 2:49am


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Welcome, Wanderer!

Glad you've decided to join us!

I think that's an excellent answer, except for one thing: Middle-Earth Conspiracy Theories is a game thread. The goal is come come up with the funniest answer, not necessarily the right one! That's why the rest of the thread is full of silly comments.

We do have plenty of serious conversations around here too, of course. I hope you'll stick around and join in. Smile

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


Idril Celebrindal
Tol Eressea


Apr 20 2010, 7:30pm


Views: 557
Matched his engraved cufflinks ... //

 


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GAndyalf
Valinor

Apr 20 2010, 8:17pm


Views: 554
He heard that the White Witch of Narnia had one//

 

"Be good, be careful, have fun, don't get arrested!"
---Marcia Michelle Alexander Hamilton, 7 Nov 1955 - 19 Nov 2009


TheNazgul
Rivendell


Apr 21 2010, 2:05am


Views: 604
he didnt like it on bilbos mantle piece

he thought it would look better next to his fake wedding ring and set of rings "consumed by dragons" if weve ever heard that one before oh and dont forget a life size replica of ugluk

Shire Bagginss?

(This post was edited by TheNazgul on Apr 21 2010, 2:07am)


sk8maven
Registered User

Apr 22 2010, 2:08am


Views: 613
This is an oldie, but:

The wizard Saruman
Heard that rings were in demand
As a prelude to the coming of the stork,
And he thought that the One Ring
Would be just the very thing
For his wedding to a pregnant lady Orc!

(ewwwww!)


Penthe
Gondor


Apr 22 2010, 7:47am


Views: 610
Because he could not count to two. //

 

Now?


TheGoblinKing
Rohan

Nov 29 2010, 7:39pm


Views: 325
Gandalf.

All the white council key players had a Ring so he wanted one. Cause he was not allowed in the Non Ringers club.