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Tom Waits Might Be A Hobbit?



DiveTwin
Rohan


Dec 4 2009, 5:15pm


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Tom Waits Might Be A Hobbit?

A short note on Ain't It Cool News says:

There's nothing like breaking the (admittedly-unconfirmed) news about Brian Cox getting all dwarf-like to bring your old sources out of the woodwork. Another trusted anonymous name from way back -- who, I might add, had heard the Brian Cox rumours before I published them -- has another name to add to the pile: Tom Waits.

As much as I'd like to say he's a lock, I'm told he's simply someone the production is talking about -- but they seem to be talking about him pretty seriously. But how inspired is this? So very left field, yet oddly perfect. And here I was thinking Cox was the coolest guy they could hand an axe to.

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Patty
Immortal


Dec 4 2009, 5:56pm


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Please tell me...

I'm not the only one who had to run to IMDb to see who Tom Waits is?

He's an unknown to me, and that could be a good thing as far as my ability to immerse myself in the dwarf-centered aspect of Middle-earth.

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Jazmine
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2009, 6:09pm


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He's not unknown to me...

And while I love his gravelly voice I can't quite place him as a dwarf!


Magpie
Immortal


Dec 4 2009, 6:30pm


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why assume a Hobbit or Dwarf?

Tom is known primarily as a singer and he has a very distinctive voice. Check out some of his music using this Google video search.

But he also acts and I remember him in the movie "Down by Law". Check him out (in the foreground) in this clip from DbL (Language warning!)

Or maybe in Dracula. Or Mystery Men.

I think he does more quirky, character roles that don't necessarily require a broad range of acting ability. I could see him being a voice talent as much as an actor. How about Roac?


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DiveTwin
Rohan


Dec 4 2009, 6:38pm


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Whoops

When I wrote that he might be "a hobbit" I MEANT to say that he might BE in The Hobbit. Sorry - a slip of the keyboard and mind on that!

"Do not come between the Nazgul and his prey"


Tim
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2009, 7:08pm


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He's...

... interesting.

I don't know if you saw Dracula with Gary Oldman, but Tom Waits plays the guy in the wacky house who eats insects. He also sings. Sorta. It's an acquired taste. I will give him marks for his use of lyrics.

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Magpie
Immortal


Dec 4 2009, 8:07pm


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ah... that makes more sense

I just wasn't sure where you got 'a hobbit' or why you would jump to that assumption. :-)


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sticklebat
Lorien


Dec 4 2009, 8:08pm


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fingers WAY crossed on this one...

  
I'm a huge fan of his...

It's been suggested that he voice Smaug...
everyone go and listen to the Tom Waits track 'What's He Building In There?'
you can see it on youtube...very dark, creepy, gravelly dragon's voice...
it would sound SO amazing coming from Smaug...

I hope this is what they may be approaching him about...
thanks DT...very interesting news indeed...

Tri duath telich na estel lin...a si gerich naid bain anirach.

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carrioncrow
Lorien

Dec 4 2009, 10:20pm


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along those line

thinking of Waits in general and his performance as Renfield in particular, there is one member of the Tolkien's race of dwarves that i think he could pull off spectacularly.

If they include scenes of Gandalf infiltrating Dol Guldur and recovering the key and map, Waits could be an excellent actor for THRAIN. my only real reservation about the possibility is if they are going to be giving ALL the dwarves scottish language inflections, then it all move out of Wait's roundhouse.


carrioncrow
Lorien

Dec 4 2009, 10:24pm


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a tip of the hat

I can totally see Waits as a possible voice actor for Smaug. Really a daring choice and not without risk but alot of potential there.

If it proves true, i think it would be a tip of the hat to the performance style of Richard Boone in the rankin-bass version. A very under-rated performnace IMHO


Snaga
Lorien


Dec 4 2009, 11:10pm


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Never heard of him but....


In Reply To
I can totally see Waits as a possible voice actor for Smaug. Really a daring choice and not without risk but alot of potential there.

If it proves true, i think it would be a tip of the hat to the performance style of Richard Boone in the rankin-bass version. A very under-rated performnace IMHO



I took the time to look up his bio and hear a sample of his voice. He has a very, very extensive CV in doing soundtracks and a voice that really grabs you. In my opinion these would both be pluses if he was chosen to voice Smaug. He would certainly have a clear understanding of intricacies of putting on a vocal and sound intensive performance. He also has the benefit of his voice not being immediately recognizable to everyone.

I'm not saying I'm totally sold on him. Just an interesting prospect to me at this point.

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Snaga
Lorien


Dec 4 2009, 11:14pm


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Oh and let me add...

Before someone else does. Among Tom's 30 odd years of soundtrack work is a writing credit on a song in a little movie that came out a few years back, Hellboy (2004).

"Alas for Boromir! It was too sore a trial!"

-Faramir, reflecting on his brother.


GaladrielTX
Tol Eressea


Dec 5 2009, 12:45am


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Nah, Smaug is too refined, in my mind.

Smaug would be smooooth and seductive. Waits has a lovely, Dwarven, gravelly voice, though.

I love some of Waits’ music. Can’t vouch for him as an actor, although I did see Down by Law decades ago which someone here mentioned he acted in. I don’t remember it, though. Can he do a British accent, we wonders?

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Pittsmen
Rivendell

Dec 5 2009, 1:50am


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How many times have I said this....

        Every single message board, including IMBD, has a post by me suggesting Waits. I would love to see Waits as Smaug, he can be refined; However, I have some other characters in mind: The Goblin King < come on, can you not see Tom Waits sitting on the throne in Gobblin town with some crazy earth died screaming goblin music going!!! Who ever said Roac, your a genious as well. Tom Waits is a living legend.
He is also playing the Devil in The imaginirium of Dr. Parnasus, with heath ledger, johnny dep, and the like.
One of my faverite movie clips of Tom Waits. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rgHYp99hYs

Earth Died Screaming!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8reJvRWXKI



My Choices:
1.) Smaug
2.) Goblin King
3.) Roac


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Compa_Mighty
Tol Eressea


Dec 5 2009, 2:00am


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No... I had to too.

Weird... I don't see him in this story.... however, Peter and Guillermo know best.

Here's to Del Toro becoming the Irvin Kershner of Middle Earth!

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sticklebat
Lorien


Dec 5 2009, 8:50am


Views: 593
he can...with ease...

and quite convincingly...

he played Renfield in 'Bram Stoker's Dracula' with Winona Ryder, Keanu Reeves (giggles), sorry...Anthony Hopkins...

Tom as The Goblin King or even Roac...(almost forgot about him)...
either of those would be great too...
but I'm thinking...this early in the casting game, they're gonna be interested in casting all the major roles first...
Smaug is a pretty major character compared to the other two...Smile

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MrCere
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Dec 5 2009, 11:50am


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Somebody has suggested him before

I mean one of you wise movie casters mentioned him for a role and thus he is included in this page's "Hobbit casting discussion so far". Good job!

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almas_sparks
Rohan

Dec 5 2009, 2:27pm


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Distinctive voice = Smaug

possibly.


carrioncrow
Lorien

Dec 5 2009, 3:53pm


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Waits as one of the 13

i don't know about the idea of Waits playing a member of the company, but it occurs to me if that's what they have in mind, he'd be an intriguing pairing with Ron Perlman as on of the 'sets' of dwarves. For example as Balin and Dwalin, etc.

There is a certain complementary character between the physical features and voices of those two actors that could be used to great effect.


almas_sparks
Rohan

Dec 5 2009, 4:22pm


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Ron Perlman is not cast

as a dwarf or anything. Just politely pointing out.


carrioncrow
Lorien

Dec 5 2009, 4:50pm


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right, and...

up to now there was no particular role for which Perlman would have been my first choice..BUT the (unlikely) possibility of Perlman/Waits as Oin/Gloin or Balin/Dwalin i fnd very amusing in a 'potentially greater than the some of its parts' way.

Also it would be an indication that the 'lesser' members of Thorin's company aren't just going to be background wallpaper...that they were really going to be setting up an interesting and varied rogue's gallery/dirty dozen scenario...and that would be a hopeful sign, IMHO


almas_sparks
Rohan

Dec 5 2009, 4:53pm


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Sound smuch better

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ShadoFaxs
Rivendell

Dec 5 2009, 7:24pm


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Oh, Patty...


In Reply To
I'm not the only one who had to run to IMDb to see who Tom Waits is?

He's an unknown to me, and that could be a good thing as far as my ability to immerse myself in the dwarf-centered aspect of Middle-earth.



How are you?

Sorry to tell you I'm very familiar with Mr. Waits and his famously gravelly voive. Waits is a remarkable songwriter, an imitiable singer and a fair to middlin' actor. He has a unique screen presence, that's for sure.

Dunno if I see him as a dwarf but he's an interesting casting choice for any role in The Hobbit.

This will be interesting.


Patty
Immortal


Dec 5 2009, 7:54pm


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Wow, this sounds promising!

let's get together sometime soon, ShadoFaxs. Indy is not so large that we can't meet up.

Sounds like Mr. Waits may be an interesting choice, then.

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Compa_Mighty
Tol Eressea


Dec 6 2009, 4:48am


Views: 536
How about one of the trolls?

I could see him in a rather goofy role...

Here's to Del Toro becoming the Irvin Kershner of Middle Earth!

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Owain
Tol Eressea


Dec 6 2009, 5:31am


Views: 524
I had posted awhile back some casting ideas and some of them are now being rumored

Here is the link

http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=105426#105426

Smile

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Dec 6 2009, 10:30am


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That Voice

You should listen to some of his music or catch him in Bram Stoker's Dracula (F.F. Coppola Director) as Renfro. Smaug could use his voice and he could be one of the lesser used Dwarves as well.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Dec 6 2009, 10:34am


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Great Minds

I had not read your post until I made the above comment. As you can see. I am in complete agreement with you.

Kangi Ska


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Dec 6 2009, 10:54am


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Dragons are British?

I thought they came to the isles on the bows of Viking ships.

Kangi Ska


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Dec 6 2009, 11:01am


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And by the Way

I just had a thought: I would be willing to wager that we will not know the answer to the riddle of Smaug's Voice until the release of the second half of The Hobbit.

Kangi Ska


FarFromHome
Valinor


Dec 6 2009, 8:49pm


Views: 502
Not British.

But English, aka Anglo-Saxon.


Quote

I thought they came to the isles on the bows of Viking ships.



Let's say the ships of the Angles and Saxons, who invaded Britain in the 5th century and drove the "British" to the northern and western edges of the island.
Strictly speaking, "British" really refers to the people who lived in the British Isles before the Anglo-Saxons came - the ancestors primarily of the Scots and Welsh.

Tolkien created his myths for England, not Britain (Britain already had its own mythology, including the Arthurian legends), and so it would seem appropriate for his dragon to sound "English".

They went in, and Sam shut the door.
But even as he did so, he heard suddenly,
deep and unstilled,
the sigh and murmur of the Sea upon the shores of Middle-earth.
From the unpublished Epilogue to the Lord of the Rings



sticklebat
Lorien


Dec 7 2009, 3:16am


Views: 492
accent or none...

I'm hoping Smaug has no accent...British or otherwise...

Tri duath telich na estel lin...a si gerich naid bain anirach.


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Dec 7 2009, 3:49am


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Is there such a thing as "no accent"? //

 



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Ataahua
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Dec 7 2009, 3:57am


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Perhaps the computer in the 1980s film War Games?

"Shall We Play A Game?"

(At least I hope it actually spoke - that's how I remember it, anyway.)

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

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Arwen's daughter
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Dec 7 2009, 4:07am


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I remember it speaking as well

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sticklebat
Lorien


Dec 7 2009, 4:15am


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what I should have actually wrote...

...is rather no distinct ethnicity to his voice....(British, Scottish, Irish, Germanic...etc...)
I don't want to hear Smaug and think oh, they made him 'this' sounding or 'that' sounding...
just a preference...no biggie...Blush

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Dec 7 2009, 10:10am


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Where You Live

they speak their native English with no accent. This is true because everyone else from everywhere else talks like a foreigner. (Cultural relativism)
Dragons come from the far north and from a chunk of land "way down beneath the ocean" so their native English would probably be spoken with an
Icelandic accent.

Seriously folks, whom ever speaks the role, how ever they speak it, it should fit the charecter. (Think JRD & Treebeard)

Kangi Ska


GaladrielTX
Tol Eressea


Dec 7 2009, 7:22pm


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Hmm. Saw that movie, too.

Don’t remember his portrayal of that character, either. This is not promising.

Maybe he should stick with his songwriting strengths.

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sticklebat
Lorien


Dec 8 2009, 9:26am


Views: 504
refined...carved in stone...?

the specific sound or tone of his voice itself was never really described at length, nor in detail...

I hear a voice emanating from Smaug that is anything but refined...
just goes to show you... not everyone perceives one particular thing in the same way...
as surely Guillermo has heard his own interpretation of Smaug's voice.
it just seems to me that that's exactly what everyone will be expecting to hear....
Guillermo has said that Smaug will be the dragon to which all other dragons will be compared...
different than what we've already seen...(at least I hope)...I don't think they're gonna play it safe with him...
they're going to expand outside the parameters, lest we see another Sean Connery in 'Dragonheart' character...I don't see it.

did Smaug attend finishing school or something?
seductive voice...sure...but consider that the dragons of Middle Earth have been described by Tolkien in the past in other writings,
as some of the most ancient, evil, foul creatures ever to have drawn breath...(take Glaurung for example)...
he's a beast...and he's been belching fire for centuries... that's gotta come into play with how his voice might sound...
to me...I perceive his voice to be seductive, yes, but also sinister and gutteral...a rattling growl to it...
not smooth or pleasant sounding...
I'm just afraid a posh, 'top drawer' English scholarly voice coming from him will register as anything but serious or scary...
but rather silly and comical...but hey, that's just my take...they could go that route & it could work well...

try not to base the potential of Tom Waits acting capability on a performance you don't remember...he's acted in tons of movies...
he was also in 'Ironweed' with Meryl Streep...2005's 'Domino' with Keira Knightley & Mickey Rourke...
and just about to be released...
"The Imaginarium Of Doctor Parnassus' with Heath Ledger, Jonny Depp and Colin Farrell...
can't wait to see him in that...trailer looks great...
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Twit
Lorien

Dec 8 2009, 1:16pm


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I suppose received pronounciation would be closest

think bbc newsreaders in the 50's. But this English 'accent' Crazy is almost a cliche in Hollywood for the bad guy. I actually wouldn't object to a slight American accent because of this - but that won't happen.

RealIy though I agree Smaug shouldn't have an ordinary human voice - it should be a twisted version of some- one or something made into words.
Maybe they could use a sound effect [a roaring raging fire?] as a voice and shape it into words some how.


GaladrielTX
Tol Eressea


Dec 8 2009, 7:31pm


Views: 453
You are right.

“the specific sound or tone of his voice itself was never really described at length, nor in detail... “

Yes, this is true. Smaug’s voice will have to be a purely artistic decision based on the character.

I see Smaug’s personality as primarily that of a seducer, and then when things don’t go his way he has a temper and the physical power to back it up. He is primarily a magical creature, although he is physically impressive.

I hear a voice emanating from Smaug that is anything but refined...
just goes to show you... not everyone perceives one particular thing in the same way...
as surely Guillermo has heard his own interpretation of Smaug's voice.
it just seems to me that that's exactly what everyone will be expecting to hear....


I hope you will not take offense, but I’m having trouble understanding what these sentences mean. (I think it’s all the ellipses.) You’re saying everyone will be expecting to hear what they think Guillermo’s interpretation is and that they won’t be surprised by his interpretation? Well, he has said that he will create some beautiful evil creatures and that he believes it will be shocking because the audience probably will not expect beauty from evil. As far as I understand what you’re saying, you believe the audience will expect a harsh voice from an evil creature. I suggest the audience may not expect Guillermo’s interpretation because he may make the voice (and I believe should make it) smooth and seductive.

they're going to expand outside the parameters, lest we see another Sean Connery in 'Dragonheart' character...I don't see it.

Dragonheart was the exception to the rule, not the normal parameter. Up to that point, dragons weren’t nearly as civilized, as far as I recall. The departure from this stereotype was part of Draco’s unique charm.

did Smaug attend finishing school or something?
Hey, ease up on the sarcasm there. Well, he has a good vocabulary. (He throws around words like "creditable", "skulking", and "antiquated".). He understands fractions. ("Had you never thought of the catch? A fourteenth share, I suppose, or something like it, those were the terms, eh?"). He has knowledge of business practices. ("But what about delivery? What about cartage? What about armed guards and tolls?") He also has a keen intellect, picking apart Bilbo’s defense of the Dwarves and making Bilbo suspicious. ("Now a nasty suspicion began to grow in [Bilbo's] mind – had the dwarves forgotten this important point too, or were they laughing in their sleeves at him all the time?"). This creature has a very sharp, calculating mind. He is also surprisingly polite and recognizes and compliments good manners in Bilbo. He attempts to persuade and charm Bilbo, and only when that doesn’t work and Bilbo rebuffs him, flies into a rage.

seductive voice...sure...but consider that the dragons of Middle Earth have been described by Tolkien in the past in other writings,
as some of the most ancient, evil, foul creatures ever to have drawn breath...(take Glaurung for example)...


Yes, they are ancient, evil, and don't smell good, but that doesn't mean they're not seductive. It will surprise me if the filmmakers refer to The Silmarillion in The Hobbit. But even if they use First Age legends for inspiration, although Glaurung is physically powerful, his true evil is as a seducer. He could probably easily have killed Túrin and Nienor. (Túrin only killed him in the end by using stealth.) Instead, Glaurung uses his cunning and spells. Here in The Hobbit, Smaug again tries to use the dragon spell upon Bilbo and attempts to persuade him with insinuations. He’s not forceful but sly.

I'm just afraid a posh, 'top drawer' English scholarly voice coming from him will register as anything but serious or scary...
but rather silly and comical...

An English accent doesn’t have to be silly. I’m not talking “Sir Percy Blakeney, baronet” here. Alan Rickman, for example, can sound sly and seductive without being silly or comical or gravelly. It would sound silly if he sounded as if he was from, oh, I don’t know, France or India. My question is whether Waits can do an accent that would believably fit into Middle-earth as portrayed in the movies (and everyone so far sounds like they’re from that corner of the world north of the English Channel). Does he have those voice and diction skills? That’s what I was asking.

but hey, that's just my take...they could go that route & it could work well...
I respect your opinion, as well. Ultimately, we’re coming from two different premises, yours being that he is essentially a monster and a brute and mine that he is filled with the slyness and calculation of Morgoth who created the dragons. I’m not sure either of us can be argued out of those premises so we may just have to agree to disagree.

try not to base the potential of Tom Waits acting capability on a performance you don't remember...he's acted in tons of movies...
he was also in 'Ironweed' with Meryl Streep...2005's 'Domino' with Keira Knightley & Mickey Rourke...
and just about to be released... "The Imaginarium Of Doctor Parnassus' with Heath Ledger, Jonny Depp and Colin Farrell...


Yes, yes, he may have a big resumé (though not nearly as big as his list of musical accomplishments), but my point is that, even though I’ve seen him in two movies and even knew who he was (so that you might think I would take especial note of him), he didn’t make a big impression on me. There must be a reason for that. There are many fine actors who I’ve seen in only one film whose performance stuck with me. That’s the kind of acting ability I want to see here.

BTW, I don’t know what you mean by “carved in stone…?” in your subject line.

This discussion has me craving some Tom Waits songs. The two-cassette Anthology I bought twenty years ago got destroyed a long time ago. I just noticed Used Songs has two of my favorite songs from the anthology on it. I don’t have that one so I went ahead and asked hubby for it for Christmas. I’ve refrained from also requesting Swordfishtrombones and Rain Dogs, both of which a former roommate had and which I liked.

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Pittsmen
Rivendell

Dec 9 2009, 2:43am


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Check out glitter and doom

This is a great album it's all live from his most recent concert tour.
Here are some good clips
http://www.youtube.com/my_favorites?pi=2&ps=20&sf=none&sa=0&dm=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww7UCOVZyaM
http://www.youtube.com/my_favorites?pi=1&ps=20&sf=none&sa=0&dm=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN6TJ9Jm6K4&feature=related
the last is the first song from glitter and doom.


Pittsmen
Rivendell

Dec 9 2009, 3:15am


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Please take a listen!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN6TJ9Jm6K4 This is the Glitter and Doom Tour youtube video, all the songs are there, great concert btw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C49H3aWdiK8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww7UCOVZyaM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGci5Tlur9o This one is fun!

Sorry for the bad links, did it on my Iphone, not sure why they didnt work right!

This one is great, its called HI HO its a "Dwarf March" LOL http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related Its just fun.

Listen and enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/...2g&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Another great song from Orphans, he played this live on Letterman recently! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTTPqJ7eHJw

One of my personal faverites You can never hold back spring http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgeZEdbv_m8

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related This is a very cool previously unreleased song tell Orphans

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s2Stephs2
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Dec 9 2009, 4:12am


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Oh my!


s2Stephs2
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Dec 9 2009, 4:13am


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Amazing voice!

Check out the links provided by Pittsmen!


sticklebat
Lorien


Dec 9 2009, 9:57am


Views: 463
once the Smaug clears...

 
Firstly...allow me to apologise for the apparent confusion that are my thoughts and words...
you may have misunderstood a couple of points...forgive me for not being quite so clear on them...

by "carved in stone" I only meant that the possibilty of Smaug's voice wasn't cast in stone as "refined" sounding...but rather open to interpretation by any one reader,
and not unchangeable...
what I meant by "everyone will be expecting to hear"...was in reference to, I think, anyway, everyone, (yourself included obviously) will be expecting to hear that "refined",
upper crust, British accent coming from his lips...and I have to agree with Twit...there's kind of a consensus that I don't buy into when it comes to Smaug's voice that it should be refined and British...it's been done, it's expected, and frankly a bit cliche for my liking...

I may in fact have given the impression that I viewed Smaug as a mindless, snarling, raging monster...
quite the opposite...I never suggested he was unintelligent...I understand the character quite well, actually...because I find evil to be far more interesting and fascinating in any given story...that's why I'm hoping they push the limits with this character and don't just give us what's anticipated or expected...

I think it's entirely possible for him to have a rough, low, rattling growl of a voice and still be sly, seductive, cunning and persuasive...
centuries of fire breathing sounds like rough, crackling...like a thousand year old furnace gearing up...
that's precisely what I hear when I listen to the Tom Waits track 'What's He Building In There'...
and you, being quite familiar with Tom's talent, I'm very surprised you don't hear it yourself...but like I said...not everyone perceives everything the same way...
other suggestions made that go the route in which you perceive Smaug's voice...Alan Rickman...brilliantly talented actor...
and yes, I do agree would be an excellent voice for Smaug...someone else suggested Ian McShane...another good choice...

yes, he IS a magical beast...and that is the magic he uses...his dragon spell...with his eyes and his voice...a power that is in my opinion derived from Morgoth...
they are his beasts...Smaug is no different...
indeed, Glaurung ensnares and enslaves the mind of Nienor...he, in his sadistic nature does not kill her, but leaves a her in a virtual zombie like state for Turin to find...(evil)
Smaug attempts this with Bilbo, yes, but ironically, it's the power of Ring that saves him from the dragon's spell...Smaug can't see him to enslave his mind...
he needs to connect with the eyes of the victim...

I didn't expect the film makers to sight The Silmarillion while making these films of course...but I had an inkling that maybe they would take what they must surely know of
dragons in Middle Earth to convey to the audience what Tolkien had ultimnately intended these creatures to be...ancient, evil, foul, seductive, deceptive, destructive and of course...beautiful...
it would definitely be to their advantage to create a really full complete texture of the character...the true nature of the beast, if you will...they love designing and creating
monsters, these guys...Smaug was reported as being one of the first 'locked in' designs for the film...they're obviously proud and excited about unleashing him onto the world stage when the time comes...I can't see them going half-assed on the performance part of him...vocal or physical...I just see them thinking outside the box...

as for the sarcasm...I figured that lil tidbit was fairly light, and reasonably harmless...I'm not here to offend anyone or fight or make enemies...what a senseless waste of good energy...especially over something everyone is supposed to be enjoying & having fun with...I meant no offense, and none taken btw...
as for the ellipsis...well...that's just a bad typing habit I seemed to have acquired along the way...in...no...way...was...it...meant...to...distract...or confuse...the readers...
Peace...Evil

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