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PJ: "No green light yet"



cedric
The Shire

Nov 29 2009, 2:00pm


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PJ: "No green light yet"

According to a german movie website, Peter Jackson confirmed at a Lovely Bones press conference, that the first hobbit script has not been green lit yet and the second looks to be finished at the end of this or start of next year. Also he gave an update on shooting schedule, with shooting hopefully starting in the middle of next year.

Let´s see what happens on december 8th.


http://www.moviereporter.net/news/9021-hobbit-mit-drehstart-im-kommenden-jahr

(This post was edited by cedric on Nov 29 2009, 2:02pm)


Eldorion
Gondor


Nov 29 2009, 2:48pm


Views: 1562
Very interesting....

A couple things we didn't know in that. First that the green light PJ mentioned over the summer has still not been given (though I think it will be soon since the first script is completed) and that filming has been pushed back from March 2010 to at least the middle of the year....

Thanks for the link, cedric!

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Altaira
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Nov 29 2009, 5:12pm


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Posted by Hsvfan: Shooting delayed to july 2010, according to Herr-der-ringe-film.de

Hi from germany,

biggest german Lotr fansite herr-der-ringe-film.de states that they have secure sources, that the shooting of the hobbit is delayed from march 2010 to july 2010.
They dont know the reason for that, nevertheless they think it has something to do with the finincial problems of MGM.
Additionally they dont know if that delay will change the realese dates.

Heres the link for everone who understands german:
http://www.herr-der-ringe-film.de/v2/de/archiv/archiv_41728.php

I hope my english is after seven years in school understandable enough Wink



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Sunflower
Valinor

Nov 29 2009, 6:05pm


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It's as I feared...

Warner Brothers is delaying the green light b/c it wants to buy out MGM.

MGM keeps getting forbearances to pay its debt, or at least provide credible proof that it can get a head start on paying its debt. It was supposed to go on the auction block in December, and it got a forbearance until the end of January. This is its 2nd forbearance.

Warner's wants to buy out MGM so all facets of TH production can go under one roof (and of course they'd get all the profits.) They think that if they did not do this now, down the road there'd be trouble, as MGM being the co-financier and foreign distributor, if it went belly-up they'd get sucked into its death throes and TH would be delayed as a result (never good for buzz. Remember James Cameron and Titanic.) MGM, on the other hand, has been making precisely the same argument to its creditors: that TH is a potentially extremely profitable investment and this is what is swaying the creditors to be merciful: if TH production is delayed or interrupted, it would damage the profits, so best to leave things as is. It's a horrible chicken-end-egg situation and I'll bet all parties at WB are getting really impatient and wondering how to make it stop. How do they get out of it and bring things to a conclusion?

IMO MGM, as great a studio as it once was, has been on life support for years and it is time to pull the plug. Its debts are so great that not even the library can save it. I never thought I'd be for any sort of backstage chicanery, but I'll bet several parties have ben triyng to facilitate MGM's demise and have so far been unsuccessful. (Nikki Finke has been great at covering this debacle. http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com. I hope someone can get this ball rolling...

As for the filming delay...it's not that bad (yet) As has been said, they're doing 2 films not three, and pre-production is further along this time. They're not starting from scratch. I was wondering how they were going to begin filming in March or April with a green light in December...I would NOT want the casting process rushed through. It's only a 3-month delay. Not 6. But I'll bet WB has asked Peter to contine to finance this thing (gone to him with hat in hand). And PJ has graciously said yes...but privately, I'll bet both he and Guillermo are steaming mad. This will not damage the production IMO, they can still keep the release date, but any further delay after the summer and it will. The bit about "completing the 2nd script" is just b.s. They can get that done, but while they have extra time to do that, casting is again delayed. (we hope not. But I think it will be..)

Which leads me to Dec 8. Why did WB give us a Dec 8 date if they already knew that there was going to be no green light? The forbearance was supposed to expire in January, so they must have been sure they were going to be in negotiations to get the studio anyway. If there is to be no green light, then just *what* are supposed to be hearing on Dec 8? Is that delayed too?
But *of course* they'll say nothing right now. They want to leave us hanging in the air while the buzz goes out...MadMad
I just think they're feeding us b.s. right now so fans and the media won't get any negative buzz...that way, Dec 8 may quietly come and go, like so many other dates have...

Dangit, I wish I could be a ghost and invade the offices of these people, and haunt their dreams. I won't officially say this project is cursed until the filming is delayed again..and may that not happen. It's getting harder and harder to maintain any Gramma-like optimism here!


(This post was edited by Sunflower on Nov 29 2009, 6:15pm)


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 29 2009, 6:15pm


Views: 1335
Well that's depressing!

So much for casting announcements and spoiler pics, ETC in the coming months. Let's hope this doesn't adversely effect the release dates.


Sunflower
Valinor

Nov 29 2009, 6:23pm


Views: 1377
The only thing...

that really concerns me right now--and it is a huge concern--is if this is delayed any more, then they will lose their cast. How many actors have been putting their agents on hold, as they wait to see how this turns out. The agents--and casting agents for the other projects these actors would be committing to---have been very patient. But they can't go on delaying forever.


Nine Finger Frodo
The Shire


Nov 29 2009, 7:48pm


Views: 1372
..

This really sucks, I can't say any more than that. Frown

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Pryderi
Rivendell

Nov 29 2009, 8:23pm


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If you are right, and you do make a plausible case, then I am relieved.

My fear was that the studio had objected to the draft script and insisted on changes which GDT et al resisted and that compromises had to be brokered and that the delay was due to that process and the subsequent compromising of the script.

My major fear was the insertion of some romantic interest. A long legged blonde bimbo for Bilbo? (Sorry folks the sentence just came out) or Thorin??? For some reason I could tolerate Bard with a wife or future wife so long as she didn't get any of his major speeches (and it was done well).

I have this horrific fantasy of a studio executive pointing out to the "creative arm of the enterprise" (That's GDT et al to you and me) that at least one romantic liaison "would provide proactive market potential for our targeted demographic going forward".

I'm so pleased that it looks like it's just money. If that's the case then there's still a chance that I'll get a film I'll enjoy seeing. That is if I survive long enough. I do want Ian McKellen to be Gandalf and, as you say, if it takes a while for them to sort it out he may, like me and Ian Holm and Christopher Lee, find Anno Domini catching up with him before they get their acts together.

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Buchanicus
Lorien


Nov 29 2009, 8:45pm


Views: 1314
I really, really hope..

I really hope this doesn't effect the December release of the films. I know it's silly, but the films being released during the holiday season is very important to me.

I wonder if they will move to release both films in 2012, since it's now fairly common to put out consecutive movies in a series just 6-8 months apart. Maybe it'll be part 1 in May and part 2 of December of 2012.

I certainly hope not, I definnitely prefer the december release schedule for both movies. We'll see what happpens.

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Sunflower
Valinor

Nov 29 2009, 9:40pm


Views: 1262
I do too.

December is the "traditional" release date for Tolkien adaptations, just as May was Star Wars month, and as Thanksgiving is now probably going to be "Twilight" timeTongue. Plus, anything other than a Dec release for both films will kill any Oscar chances, andyou can bet that's another reason WB is so concerned. They relalize they don't just have a megafranchise here--they want to get a lot more of what New Line had: awards prestiege. (Personally, I think a BP or script win for G is unlikely, and under the old 5-film BP framework a BP nom wold be unlikely, since TH is more of a "fairy tale" with talking animals and suich, but with 10 BP slots, a BP nom is much more likely.) Do a "2-part release" like Twilight and HP 7 are getting, if the first fiilm comes out sny other timeframe than Dec, and that would send the Academy a signal that it is not meant for awards, that WB is treating it like a normal tentpole franchise.

As to my above post...I wish I could say I was right, that it's "only money" and not any dissatisfaction with the script...I think that's right, b/c if they are starting the 2nd script they have a green light on the first one. As to a love interest for any characters, Bard is okay (in fact he'll have to be fleshed out, with a family at least, we know nothing abouthim.) But don;t worry, PJ and G would not do anything stupid!

What we really need is Kristen Thompson's take on this..I hope we hear from people in the days after tomorrow, after the Holiday weekend! I think I just gained a gray hair in the last 4 hrs!CrazySlyUnsure


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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 29 2009, 10:21pm


Views: 1349
We all know what a financial disaster that turned out to be


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They think that if they did not do this now, down the road there'd be trouble, as MGM being the co-financier and foreign distributor, if it went belly-up they'd get sucked into its death throes and TH would be delayed as a result (never good for buzz. Remember James Cameron and Titanic.)



Yes, what a buzz kill all the delays and cost over-runs turned out to be! Titanic was such a financial flop!

TongueCoolWink

Needless to say, I understand what you are saying, I don't disagree with you. But I couldn't resist poking this statement a little bit, given Titanic's status as the highest grossing movie of all time.

It's possible that the Dec. 8 date is still valid, and that will be when the greenlight announcement will be made. PJ just said that it hasn't been greenlit yet, not that it won't be greenlit soon. Or, as you said, that date could pass with nary a word said. Fortunately, we'll know in nine days.


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Sunflower
Valinor

Nov 29 2009, 10:46pm


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LOL

Somehow I *knew* someone would point that out to me...CrazyTongueLaugh but it's so easy to laugh after the fact. I wouldn't have wanted to be James Cameron in the autumn of 2007...nor would I want to be him now, in the lead-up to "Avatar."

Seeing as LOTR had the same Oscar luck as Titanic...I wish we could say that this was good luck.. but I take the opposite view: the production for LOTR went like clockwork, barring the fact that a lot had to done in a very short amount of time.

Recently I expressed concern on DelToroFilms.com about Guillermo's weight. I was joking with Parker and I ended up saying that maybe Guillermo simply wants to follow PJ's weight trajectory, so his luck would be similar. Like PJ, he'd assume Bombur-like proportions while filming his Tolkien adaptation masterpice, nearly kill himself in the process, then go on to win a bucketload of Oscars and vast commerical success, and then be "the king of the world" in Hollywood, free to do as he pleases, and just as rapidly he'd lose the the weight after that.:)


Yeah, Voronwe...I just hope it isn't another waiting period for a day that just passes with nothing. False alarms...we've had enough of those.God, I wish I could know just what the heck is going on...


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Wandering Ranger
Rivendell


Nov 29 2009, 10:57pm


Views: 1322
Am I know the only one who

is getting thoroughly hacked off with all this waiting with nothing confirming. Once the Tolkien case was settled I would have assumed the news would become more concrete and things would start to move along with news coming in as and when available. Now it seems things are going slower than ever! Going all the way back to the pre-LOTR days does anyone remember the rumours circulating that PJ would follow up the trilogy with The Hobbit. Then him and Shaye fell out and he wasn't gonna be involved at all and then GDT came on board and a heck of a long time later he was finally confirmed. Remember last Christmas when we were promised some update on Bilbo casting at Christmas which, having heard PJ speak at comic con, was never going to happen in a million years as the scripts were still being prepared. Then we get this December 8th thing which, the more I think about it, the more I don't think it will be anything special in fact it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out to be another red herring to keep the fans occupied. It won't be casting without a greenlight and if the thing isn't at least part way there to being greenlit it aint gonna happened in a week.

Sorry if that sounded too angry and irate but I am getting reaaaall cheesed off with this waiting game with either no news or news which turns out to lead nowhere. </rant>

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Nine Finger Frodo
The Shire


Nov 29 2009, 11:11pm


Views: 1320
Since..

filming the Hobbit would take approx. 350 - 400 days, is it plausible that, considering GDT will begin shooting in July 2010, he will be able to wrap up the first movie say December 2010/January 2011 (6 or 7 months)? Could this be enough time to release the first film in December 2011 ánd continue working on the second film? I would say it is possible, especially considering the fact that they have all that knowledge and things going on already.

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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Nov 29 2009, 11:12pm


Views: 1269
I'll wait to hear it from

Peter or GdT. I'm not saying I don't believe it was mentioned at a news conference; but both gents have been good about letting us know what's going on as soon as they can... so I'll wait until I hear it from one of them to despair or become vexed. *drums fingers on table* But the wait is getting pretty old ;) *twitch*



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Sunflower
Valinor

Nov 29 2009, 11:14pm


Views: 1270
Oops...I meant "the autumn of 1997"

    
And Gramma, I'm going to start twitching too, like Mother Horta, if this keeps up much longer....

(excuse me while I go cry into my vanilla eggnog right now...Unsure but I guess it's okay if we cry together....Evil)


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MrCere
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Nov 29 2009, 11:45pm


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Sounds right and one interesting change

When Jackson spoke at Comic-Con he said clearly that once one script was finished the would project the budget of the second film from what was in the first. Clearly that has changed.

A lot of what Jackson has been saying lately didn't fit in with everything we know but this news does fit.

Based on absolutely nothing I can point to, I think the MGM thing plays a part here as well.

Not good news but not surprising news.

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Growlithe the Grey
Rivendell


Nov 30 2009, 3:13am


Views: 1278
casting

The only thing a delay will do is weed out those actors who aren't dedicated to this project. With assurance from PJ and Guillermo, I'm sure that an actor would know that the project isn't at risk of being scrapped. A few months, even 5-6 months, isn't enough to make someone pass up a once in a lifetime chance to be a part of something like this. If an actor does move on, then maybe they weren't the person for the role in the first place.


Eldorion
Gondor


Nov 30 2009, 5:40am


Views: 1147
Are you sure about that?


In Reply To
Warner Brothers is delaying the green light b/c it wants to buy out MGM.

...

The bit about "completing the 2nd script" is just b.s. They can get that done, but while they have extra time to do that, casting is again delayed. (we hope not. But I think it will be..)


Del Toro has said (if I recall correctly) that he doesn't want to cast Bilbo (and presumably not too many other people) because he wants the potential actors to have the opportunity to read the finished script before deciding whether or not to take the role. I think this is very reasonable for both the director and actors as it will help head off any issues the actors might have with their characters right at the start. I'm not sure why them saying they have to finish the second script is BS, either. The two films are being envisioned as parts of the same whole (along with LOTR), so they may very well want to have both scripts finished before casting and again I find this reasonable.

I certainly wish that we'd get more news sooner, but I'm not going to complain about the filmmakers taking their time. Maybe it will result in less last-minute scrambling of the sort that happened with LOTR.

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AinurOlorin
Half-elven

Nov 30 2009, 7:05am


Views: 1151
Wails and screams

Nooooo. Nooooo. Let it be not so! It's. . . It's. . . (quotes scream/singing of Patti Labelle) "Like a baaaaaaaad dream!"

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Sunflower
Valinor

Nov 30 2009, 9:52am


Views: 1140
Then why....

would PJ go and make all sorts of public statements about timeframes for completing scripts and why were we even given a March/April beginning of filming date at all? When he was discussing the script at Comic-Con he didn't say "the entire script will not be completed until the spring of 2009 and casting likely won't begin until then." Or he could have at least said something along the lines of "we aren't sure if the studio will approve of our first script, so we have to wait until we get aproval on that and then we can begin the 2nd, after which we *May* get the green light" etc. He sounded very sure about things, and it's not like PJ is one to float dates and false information. It doesn't sound to me like he was just throwing out "info" to keep us placted. He is always very honest. It sounds to me like they had a schedule for this thing and for whatever reason, it was pushed back.

March/April starting of filming corresponds with the NZ seasons. It sounds as though Guillermo wanted to get 6 monts of indoor/studio shooting done during the inclement fall/winter NZ months, and the last half of filming outdoors in the spring/summer when the weather was clement. This type of delay would disrupt that smooth process, esp if the films are being shot out of order like LOTR was.

As for the cast...."we'll see who dedicated they are/winnowing out of the ones who don't want it" etc. It isn't that simple. Some actors, such as Ron Perlman,are involved with TV series and if you signed papers months ago committing yourself to the 2nd season, say, of a series that is garnering good ratings and critical acclaim (like Perlman has done for Sons of Anarchy) it isn't sp easy to pull out of that. Esp if they gave their agents an end-of-filming date/month for TH based on a March 2010 beg date and with a yearlong shoot, they could calculate when they'd next be availble, LIkewise, actors who decline to appear in projects with directors they want to work with or continue to...most would understand. But it wouldn't be as easy as it sounds...


carrioncrow
Lorien

Nov 30 2009, 11:19am


Views: 1127
what's cookin?

I smell the stank of 'suits' demanding a film in 3D.


almas_sparks
Rohan

Nov 30 2009, 3:33pm


Views: 1076
With all due respect, Perlman isn`t cast

so no need to worry if he can be pulled out of his TV show. Please, lets not talk about unconfirmed actors as if they are done deal. It`s very disturbing to fans who are hoping to see other actor cast in the role that some fans have cast Perlman in (Beorn) just because he`s GDT`s friend. Lets wait until casting is announced instead of pretending that it is when it is not.


almas_sparks
Rohan

Nov 30 2009, 3:42pm


Views: 1022
non-holiday release does not kill Oscar chances

if the movie is good enough to stay in memory, it can be nominated and win despite being released,lets say, in May (Gladiator).

Studio will do what fits it the best. Last year, WB pushed back their major tentpole HP:HBP because TDK made so much money they simply didn`t need another huge moneymaker in 2008. But they didn`t have a slam-dunk in 2009 so they needed HBP. Regardless of fandom outrage. They knew nobody would boycot the movie they anticipated for so long. Therefore, if they decide that they need a tentpole in 2012 because 2011 is already covered (HP:DH Part II and word has it WB really wants Batman 3 ready for 2011) , they may push back The Hobbit Part I for 2012 (which isn`t unlikely considering the delayed production). I guess it`ll all boil down to what they cna get ready for 2011 first, TH or B3.


olipowell
Bree

Nov 30 2009, 4:14pm


Views: 1150
Casting wide open again...

Well...I reckon this blows open the casting once again. We were beginning to rule out certain actors due to their commitments to other projects. eg. James McAvoy. This delay now means people previously ruled out might now be back on. Who knows. Maybe this has actually happened on purpose...pushed back because the actor they want for Bilbo has already got another project filming beginning 2010.

Of course, MGM's financial woes are probs more likely as the reason for the delay as everything getting re-structured and organised is a tedious and complicated procedure. However, the entertainment industry is hardly the most honest so them lying about why it is has been pushed back wouldn't surprise me. Espesh if they are trying to keep casting announcements under wraps.

: D

Also...I say this as when it does finally happen I think the Greenlight and Bilbo announcement will come at the same time. i.e in the same announcement. They wont be using casting directors to cast Bilbo. As CD's wont be confirmed until greenlit and other production personnel begin to get hired too!


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almas_sparks
Rohan

Nov 30 2009, 4:39pm


Views: 1003
Actors drop from movies all the time

For exmaple, Nicole Kidman is notorious for being attached to many projects only to drop out when production time comes. If an actor wants out of one movie to get into another, his team takes care that he does. Besides, if they already have some cast ready (but unannounced) those actors know that filming 2 movies back to back is a year-long commitment. So it really doesn`t make too much difference whether production starts in March or two-three months later. Half of 2010 and 2011 have always been reserved for The Hobbit. Now they can do another movie before The Hobbit.


olipowell
Bree

Nov 30 2009, 4:48pm


Views: 975
Yeh I'm well aware of that

BUT...

I think we can all agree that actors involved in LOTR and potentially The Hobbit too are real 'actors' actors. not stars like Nicole Kidman where their 'star' is of the equivalent size or importance as the projects they are in. Not to say anything about those or Nicole Kidman (as I actually quite like her) but not all actors are going to drop another project they are passionate about just because something bigger comes along. Some people actually have some semblance of artistic integrity. My earlier example, James McAvoy, I think being one of those people. He does projects for very specific reasons I think...and generally I think the cast of LOTR were the same. Viggo for example does projects he wants to and not purely as his people tell him he should...

Plus I think we must account for the fact that I'm talking about people who had projects that start in Jan/Feb of 2010, and there are several who were being named. James, Tom Hollander etc...


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Sunflower
Valinor

Nov 30 2009, 5:07pm


Views: 938
Yes, with all due respect, Almas....

I have been follwing the Oscars for a LONG time (see my post in the DIstrict 9 thread in OT), both having watched the telecast for over 20 yrs, and read a number of books and websites on the subject, including Nikki Finke';s site, for yrs. In recvent yrs all films except Gladiator were rerleased in the fall/winter. The Oscar race was an extremelyclose one in 2001, at rhe last minute it became close. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was crowned the de facto winner that year, having swept the Guilds and the awards organizations, and by the time they reached the Voting stage, the ranl and fuile in the Academy were panicked that a Chinese/Hong Kong film was going to win BP< so they were relived they had an American film to rally behind, Cladiator, which in truth was a weak film but had gotten some decent reviews and good box office. But there are many who still feel that it shouldnot have won, and CTHD should have.

As for my opinions..you are known for being very opinionated yourself, telinghow you want the script to be. I am not arguing for one actor or the other per se. I am making my RP conjections based on the fact that he is a longtime emmber of Guillermo's acting "family" and he thus he likely to end up somewhere. Regardless of whether we want it or not. It;s not favoritism--it;s the way he works.


hamlet
Rivendell


Nov 30 2009, 5:25pm


Views: 919
Me too!

I need some information! I'm still clinging to the December 8 announcement, but I'm a lot less optimistic than I was before. sigh. . .


almas_sparks
Rohan

Nov 30 2009, 5:25pm


Views: 970
It is favorism

if you don`t see if other actors can do better job but automatically assign your "family member", than it is favorism. And, no, I don`t think Perlman is a good choice for any major Hobbit character nor is Doug Jones. So, yes, I would like GDT to audition other actors and than decide whether his friend/family is more fitting.

Just an illustration. James Cameron and Lance Henricksen are friends since Pirrahna 2. So when Cameron wrote Terminator, he had Lance in mind for the Terminator role. He wanted someone who cna easily bland in. However, the studio urged him to see Arnie who got hold of the script and wanted the role to break the hero stereotype. Arnie had become a big name so Cameron had no choice. He dreaded the meeting because Arnie was everything that Terminator in the script wasn`t - a big dude that stands out. But once he met with the actor, Cameron realized that his concept was all wrong and that Arnie was the man. The rest is history. Henricksen landed the part of the police officer, instead. My point is that Cameron knew when friendship should not stand in the way of the art. I`m not arguing that Perlman isn`t Hellboy because he is. I`m just arguing that he isn`t Beorn or Bard or any othe rmajor characterand that Jones isn`t Tranduil or Bard or any other major character, and that the right actors should be cast in those roles.


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Eldorion
Gondor


Nov 30 2009, 5:34pm


Views: 918
Plans change when stuff comes up

Seriously, maybe they're just taking longer than they expected to write the script or some of their casting choices fell through. It's also possible the studios are stalling, but in the absence of other evidence I'm not going to jump to the conclusion that they are delaying The Hobbit for reasons of greed. Also, PJ has said they haven't gotten the green-light before so it's not like this just came out of the blue. Again though, sometimes projected dates don't work out because life happens. It's entirely possible that there are innocent reasons for the delay.





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almas_sparks
Rohan

Nov 30 2009, 5:39pm


Views: 906
July is just an estimated beginning of production

and it could start later than that.

As for artistic integrity, actors also drop from movies if they feel that the movie they signed up does not have enough of it. What goes through people`s minds is hard to figure out but it`s wrong to assume that just because someone is a movie star they choose projects on the basis of bigger = better and that so-called actor`s actors (whatever that means) only do passion projects. I assure you that passion has nothing to do with Sean Astin taking odd TV guest appearances. That`s all he can get. And I also doubt that Elijah Wood`s passon are voice overs in animated movies over acting in a live action. And Miranda Otto packed her bags, left LA and ran back to daddy to star in his movie. Nostalgia? Passion? Or no work in LA? All that has nothing to do with artistic integrity but with lack of work, amounting morgage and collector calls. Pure survival.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Nov 30 2009, 6:40pm


Views: 929
Patience

I chose to wait and see. I do not believe anything we say or do will change 1. When the Movies are made. 2. How the scripts are written. 3. Who gets cast and in what roles. Any assumptions made are made at the assumer's risk. It is not that I do not care. It is not that I do not enjoy the speculation and discussion. It is because I believe that most of this is in the hands of Peter Jackson and Guillermo DelToro. I trust them to win the right to make the movie they have envisioned. I hope it is completed in my lifetime and that I am able to receive this gift.

This is a big deal in the movie world. An untold fortune is to be gained. But first we must vanquish the spiders of Mirkwood.

Kangi Ska


Buchanicus
Lorien


Nov 30 2009, 7:43pm


Views: 884
Am I the only one...

Am I the only one who views "...start filming in the middle of next year" as a broad statement? I mean, April/May could be viewed as the "middle" of a year....or any month that falls in the 2nd or 3rd quarter for that matter.

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Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 30 2009, 8:49pm


Views: 863
Golly gosh darn willikers

There's been like a bajillion Saw movies made, if that can happen so can The Hobbit I say.

Looks like it's time to make a few phone calls...

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dennis.p
The Shire

Nov 30 2009, 8:52pm


Views: 856
Another reason

A few days ago, there was a link to a video interview in italian with PJ as he was promoting The Lovely Bones.
In this interview, he mentioned that he was feeling sad, that he would not be able to direct the Hobbit films, and this was more prominent as the script progressed.

Could the delay be that he's trying to clear up his calendar and take back the reigns?
The only reason i bring this up, is because Peter was always very clear that he did not want to do it, he didn't want to compete with himself - trying to best the amazing trilogy.
And he wanted to se another directors vision of middle earth. This would facilitate at least some of his wishes.
However what he says in the italian interview, kinda puzzles me as it seems like a turn in PJ's opinion, and it seemed very honest, as if he almost forgot it was a interview...

It's weird that nobody brought it up when it was first published on the web...

what do you think, am i way off?


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Nov 30 2009, 9:28pm


Views: 903
Inconceivable

I believe that this will not happen short of GDT quitting. If all that I have heard, seen and read about Peter Jackson is true. He is an honorable man. This would be breaking a promise big time. I could foresee the possibility of him regretting the decision and I would expect that the suits might put pressure in that direction but I truly believe he would not go along. However I can see him directing parts as Barry Osbourn and a couple others did with LotR.

Kangi Ska


Goldberry of the river
Lorien


Nov 30 2009, 9:48pm


Views: 864
I'm so disappointed

This means we're going to have to wait even longer for the first film to be released doesn't it?? :(

Brian Blessed for Thorin!


PettyMim
Rivendell


Nov 30 2009, 9:54pm


Views: 826
Me too

its's quite tiring being so excited about a film so far off! If we din't get some positive, meaty news about this project soon I'll probably burst like a balloon!


Goldberry of the river
Lorien


Nov 30 2009, 10:24pm


Views: 814
I'm TRYING to be patient

and distract myself with other Tokien-esque things like Born of Hope which is released tomorrow (yay!), planning to make my own Thorin (or Thror??) map (does it have a proper name?can't remember) and looking forward to seeing TH stage play in Feb but it's no use. I too feel like I may burst like a balloon!!!Crazy I was so excited when I heard about the Dec 8th "announcement", "At last!!" I thought, but now I see that it was probably just a carrot being waved infront of us to keep the buzz going. Or to be positive, it really could have been a good announcement but then the situation with MGM changed and now nothing can be said. Oh dear. *sigh*

Brian Blessed for Thorin!


Theodred
Lorien


Nov 30 2009, 11:31pm


Views: 841
So, if shooting will start three months later,

it will also end three months later, when The Hobbit 1 is still to be released in December 2011. Thus when they have finished shooting The Hobbit,they have less time to add the special effects and the computer generated images like Gollum and Smaug. That could mean this could have an influence on the quality of the CGI if they have less time to add it, so maybe we will then have a less impressive Smaug, less impressive special effects, which could downgrade The Hobbit to a mediocre movie, or is this a too pessimistic thought?


Kristin Thompson
Rohan


Nov 30 2009, 11:40pm


Views: 848
I doubt PJ would direct

He says near the end of the Italian interview, "I'm due to write and direct the second Tintin movie. Fran and I will look at doing that script, probably 2010, ... once The Hobbit's up and running." (I couldn't catch what he said right after "2010." Can anyone figure it out?) Peter has mentioned Tintin occasionally in interviews as a series he has loved since childhood, and it's clearly a project he's committed to. It sounds to me as if he's assuming that Guillermo will direct The Hobbit and he will move on to Tintin II.


olipowell
Bree

Dec 1 2009, 12:58am


Views: 754
I agree with everything you're saying

I'm really just playing devils advocate at this point. believe me I know how it all works as I'm an actor myself here in London. You think there arent jobs in LA - well try London! My point was really that, if GDT & PJ already have a very specific actor in mind to play Bilbo I think they would def be prepared ro push filming back a few months in order to secure him if he is already due to work on another project in Jan-Apr. Obv most films only shoot for between 3-12 weeks. Big films like the Hobbit are really the exception here filming for a yr. Once the actor was free he'd then have as long as it then takes to shoot...The artistic integrity comes in to play if a) GDT & PJ are prepared to just go elsewhere if an actor is already mid filming or occupied and b) would an actor just drop projects, potentially ones they've long been assigned to and researching, working on etc to be invovled in the Hobbit. I think that one depends purely on the actor. Since most of the actors involved are already going to have some film kudos they arent the in the league like myself where we just take jobs wherever possible. Tough times, tough industry aside not everyone takes jobs for the sake of it.

Intrigued by this article http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2009/11/30/the-hobbit-production-could-begin-by-mid-2010-and-casting-is-moving-forward/
Espesh at the bottom where it says CD have already been appointed in London & LA. Interesting since no greenlight. But obv at this point it would seem greenlighting really is just a formality. I'm going to get on to my contact at Weta and see if I can find out the UK Casting Director and then get my agent all over it!


Eldorion
Gondor


Dec 1 2009, 1:46am


Views: 724
Very encouraging about the green light

I've long suspected that no studios in their right minds would pass up on the chance to film The Hobbit, but it's nice to know with more certainty now that the green light is just a formality and shouldn't pose any problem.

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Growlithe the Grey
Rivendell


Dec 1 2009, 7:24am


Views: 764
The frustrating thing - not knowing

I see a lot of people worried about a possible delay, casting issues, or these other, more speculative things like the studio not liking the script, demanding changes, demanding 3D, or other out-there possibilities with no basis whatsoever, but it's all just baseless speculation. Movies have their timetables changed all the time during this stage of pre-production. The dates given for the potential start of filming were nothing more than projections or speculations. Nothing was ever set in stone, and as such, there are always different issues that can crop up along the way to change the scheduling of a film.

The most frustrating aspect of all this is that nobody involved in the Hobbit project will give a simple straight answer as to what exactly is going on. All we have are occasional quips through the media from PJ and sometimes Guillermo to the media or on here. WB won't say what's going on, and they're the ones with the ability to confirm or deny the status best. If we just had a straightforward "here's the status" from someone - be it Guillermo, PJ, or the studio - this wouldn't be such a big deal, but all we've gotten are vague statements and ambiguous reports.

Bottom line is that, sure, people have a right to worry, but what really bothers me personally is that none of the people controlling the fate of this film will step up and say anything to the fan community. Guillermo is only in a position to say so much - it's not really up to him when production begins or what resources will be at his disposal. But the fans are the ones that will be lining the sh...ire out of the producers' and studio's pockets, so I think it's fair that they at least give us a status update, even if that status update says "we're still in the process of sorting out budgets and therefore project is still up in the air."

Things sounded imminent at one time, and we've spent the past several months hearing the exact same "news" being repeated - that casting announcements are around the bend, that the script is finished or almost finished, that the ball is in the studio's court, that a greenlight is on its way, etc. I'm not mad at anyone involved in the project, but I'm a bit peeved at the situation in general. If I had the money, I'd overfund this project right now, give PJ whatever he wants, and watch the dollars come in like mad. The sooner you pump in the money, the sooner you get it back - and then some. This project is a huge cash cow... between the films themselves both domestically and overseas, and with the eventual DVD, Blu-Ray, and inevitible extended edition releases, the Hobbit franchise will be overflowing with money. So whoever or whatever is holding up production - unless it's for reasons of creative integrity - isn't playing it smart right now.


MrCere
Sr. Staff


Dec 1 2009, 7:51am


Views: 760
A couple of thoughts

Directors, like people in many other professions, like to work with people they know and trust.

Spending a year together making a movie is a big job that requires intense interaction and a close, even an intimate working environment. (I know you all know all this, I am just laying my thoughts out. )

GDT has his vision of the characters, obviously (or so I imagine) discussed with those co-writing the script. I have no way of knowing what GDT's vision is but if it should include Ron P. or Doug J., it really doesn't matter what I think or what you think. It probably matters very little what the studio thinks either if the Executive Producer (PJ) and GDT agree on such casting choices.

But beyond having GDT's vision of the right person for the part, RP and DJ are people he knows from past experience. They are known quantities regarding work ethic, professionalism, physicality, ablity to work rugged hours in taxing make-up or environments, temperment on set, working on special effects films and so on.

With a giant two-movie production, hundreds of millions of dollars, years of working together in front of them and great familiarity, GDT may favor them for certain roles. However, if he doesn't think they are right, they wouldn't get a sniff at a part in the first place.

So, yes, it is favoritism but who can blame people for wanting who they think is best for the part? They only obligation they have is to make the best film they can which means following their own vision and has little to do with being fair.

I do appreciate opposing viewpoints though and it wouldn't be such an interesting message board if everybody loved RP or DJ. I happen to and hope to see them. If it were up to me, RP would be Thorin.

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sticklebat
Lorien


Dec 1 2009, 8:55am


Views: 705
I doubt very, very much...

 
that the special effects for The Hobbit would suffer because of anything as trivial or tedious as a time constraint...
merely going on the kind of conditions, circumstances, and pressure they were faced with the first time around...they will get the job done...and done well...
otherwise, what's the point of releasing something mediocre and substandard compared to LOTR?

I just don't see this team, with this level of talent & dedication letting that happen to a story they hold so near & dear to their hearts...
if they did...they KNOW they'd be letting down a lot of people...the studio for one, themselves...(but who really matters?) the fans...namely...us.
they'd be embarrassed to put their names & reputations on it, after the world wide praise and success of their previous endeavors.

Smaug is gonna be big, bad & awesome....count on it....Evil

Tri duath telich na estel lin...a si gerich naid bain anirach.


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Dec 1 2009, 10:03am


Views: 745
And, of course, GdT isn't the first one to do this.

How many Alfred Hitchcock movies have Jimmy Stewart in them? Adam Sandler is another one who has a "family" of players he invites back again and again. In this case, it really does make sense to cast people who are know to be up for the challenge.



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dormouse
Half-elven

Dec 1 2009, 1:19pm


Views: 680
Too pessimistic....

... I think, and hope. If you look back at the LotR appendix DVDs, especially for RotK, the digital special effects for the original films were created under the most impossible time pressure and they still left us all speechless. I don't doubt the skills of the creative people working on The Hobbit, even under pressure, or their desire to go beyond what they've achieved already.

I just wish we knew something for sure..... Unimpressed


the_Big_X
The Shire

Dec 1 2009, 1:40pm


Views: 733
I'm kind of holding on to all hope here, so......

Is there any other confirmation of this besides one single translation from an obscure German site?



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almas_sparks
Rohan

Dec 1 2009, 2:13pm


Views: 657
Than I hope the studio will put the kibosh on favorism in major roles

I don`t care if friends play creatures in heavy prostetics but they should not be cast in major roles and that includes voice of Smaug. Because they don`t fit. And because some people don`t want to see the same faces over and over again in similar roles. seriously, there is Ron Perlman overkill out there! Almost every direct-to-DVD genre movie has Ron Perlman. That`s so boring. Last thing I need is Ron Perlman in yet another fantasy movie. Like, enough is enough. Not to mention that he and Jones and Goss are from Hellboy movies. Sorry but no. There are other nice people out there who happen to be better actors and more suitable for major roles. Nice, talented people who didn`t star in Uwe Boll movie for crying out loud.


almas_sparks
Rohan

Dec 1 2009, 2:18pm


Views: 663
In all due respect, Jones and Perlman aren`t Jimmy Stewart

Jimmy was a major leading man. Masses wanted to see him and studios wantd him to headline movies. Not the same thing with Jones and Perlman. At all.

But was it boring? Oh, yeah. When a director keep working with the same people it gets tedious no matter how great collaboration turns out.


(This post was edited by almas_sparks on Dec 1 2009, 2:19pm)


almas_sparks
Rohan

Dec 1 2009, 2:27pm


Views: 731
WB is just smarting up from The Watchmen brouhaha

They greenlit that movie while the rights still belonged to Fox. Fox waited for the movie to be complete and than pressed charges. Now, since The Hobbit is much bigger player than The Watchmen, you bet WB doesn`t want to go through court settlement or profit sharing with MGM or Fox again if Fox succeeds in buying MGM over Warners. The Hobbit will be greenlit when there`s 100% no doubt that the studio has all the rights to make the movie under their logo and rake in money accordingly. That`s about it.


(This post was edited by almas_sparks on Dec 1 2009, 2:28pm)


olipowell
Bree

Dec 1 2009, 2:50pm


Views: 718
If that's the case...

and MGM go into Full administration the accountants in charge of the administration will want to sell off the parts quickly and where easiest. The company will be split up, not just sold as a whole. Ergo the percentage of rights MGM holds would surely go to Warner over Fox or anyone else as it makes the most sense...Fox/other studios may be after other aspects, the huge MGM archive, the logo etc etc. At the point where a business is going bust its a case of doing what makes sense, so where MGM already have some sort of deal RE: Hobbit rights with Warner I think it would be a major coup for anyone else to just come along and steal them. It's a bit diff to the Watchmen case really. and I dont think the financial adjudicators would be actively seeking a bidding war but rather get things resolved as quickly as poss?

Having said that, I don't think MGM are officially in administration at this point so again we probs wont find out until it's all done.

Do we know who has been paying for The Hobbit development costs up until this point? Surely Weta isn't covering these costs...? They must have spent close a few mil already...


almas_sparks
Rohan

Dec 1 2009, 3:02pm


Views: 618
if they hired casting directors now...

"Talent agents all over town are abuzz with word that casting directors for The Hobbit have been hired in London and L.A."(Hollywood Insider, see the link in the post above)

I`m a bit confused as whether casting agents are looking for Bilbo and other actors or other actors while Bilbo is cast and waiting in the dark. This is because GDT said long time ago that they narrowed down their casting choice to one but nothing was set in stone. Then, PJ said no casting before the script is finished. Afterwards, ian McKellen said he knew who would play BIlbo and that fans would be pleased. Now PJ confirmed that the first script is finished and Entertainment Weekly (pretty reliable source) says industry is abuzz about The Hobbit casting agents opening offices in LA and London. So it started but question is if they are looking for Bilbo or Bilbo is already done deal waiting for the right moment to be revealed. Or, as it usually happens, there was the first choice but that fell through and they have to find another.


(This post was edited by almas_sparks on Dec 1 2009, 3:04pm)


PettyMim
Rivendell


Dec 1 2009, 3:23pm


Views: 649
Thanks for the reminder!

Of course, Born of Hope! Can't wait to see it Wink I don't think that map has a specific name other than Thrors map. I could never get my head round how East was at the top.


olipowell
Bree

Dec 1 2009, 3:55pm


Views: 689
Realistically...

The Casting Director will be used primarily for smaller roles this time around I would have thought...I doubt they are using a CD for Bilbo and main dwarfs for example but the Casting directors will issue breakdowns for the smaller dwarf roles and then the elves and main goblins etc...

on LOTR I think all of the characters had a breakdown issued for them but I can't see that happening now since there will already be front-runners as you say and realistically I think Bilbo now knows who he is...

Then very small roles though (actors only on set for a few days) will probs all be cast from NZ or at a push Oz...purely for the logistical and cost reasons of having to fly people over from US or UK for only a few days, and sorting work visa's etc...

My agent seems to know who the London CD is but I'm waiting confirmation before I say it...just in case it's wrong and I make a tit of myself...haha


Eldorion
Gondor


Dec 1 2009, 6:53pm


Views: 691
There's PJ himself

Who referenced the green light himself a few months ago (sometime around Comic-Con if I recall correctly). Since neither he nor GDT have - to my knowledge - made any statements to the contrary since then I trust this article.

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almas_sparks
Rohan

Dec 1 2009, 7:04pm


Views: 667
keep us posted

I don`t want Bilbo to be already cast because it`s scary to look at actor`s schedule and go "Dang, this one that I really don`t like has nothing lined up in 2010 and that one that I really like is booked." But if he isn`t cast and the casting has started recently, than there`s hope.


(This post was edited by almas_sparks on Dec 1 2009, 7:05pm)


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Dec 2 2009, 2:06am


Views: 601
Of course not.

I was only pointing out that other directors like using people they're comfortable with. :)



sample

"There is more in you of good than you know, child of the kindly West."
~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."

I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.



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