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Please let those 3D 'Hobbit' rumors rest in peace



MrCere
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Aug 28 2009, 9:50am


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Please let those 3D 'Hobbit' rumors rest in peace

The post on main makes it pretty clear that Guillermo del Toro hasn't been talking about doing "The Hobbit" movies in 3D. As the director he kinda knows stuff like that. It did move Calisuri to create a great Bilbo graphic though!



Someday we will see 'The Hobbit' in 3D, when the studios decide to go back to the barn and milk the cash cow, but that isn't what GDT is doing.

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Buchanicus
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Aug 28 2009, 10:26am


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Good.

Good to hear. I for one am not impressed with 3D and feel it is just a gimmick to get people to go to the theater. Plus I HATE wearing the glasses...and I just wanted The Hobbit films to match the tone and presentation of the LotR films as much as possible...so no 3D is a very, very good thing.

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Mitrandir
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Aug 28 2009, 10:59am


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agree

I've seen films in 3d, and as i suspected on forehand, it's overrated. vision gets kind of limited with the glasses on, at least that's how it feels, they feel out of place. Like your missing something of the experience or whats going on on the screen. This is good news.


debo
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Aug 28 2009, 11:26am


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LOL Love the graphic!!!

 

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Aug 28 2009, 11:39am


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How do I say "YAY" in 3D?

Perhaps saying it in 2D is best for this occassion! So... YAY!! Cool

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Parker
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Aug 28 2009, 11:52am


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Is it just me...

...or does this not seem like a "Yes" or "No" answer. I think the baby is in the crib, but still has one eye open.


xxxyyy
Rohan

Aug 28 2009, 12:21pm


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Good good! Consistency till death!

LOTR is in 2D, keep the Hobbit in 2D and spend the money you save in other, more important, things.
Not that I don't like 3D, but LOTR was in 2D.


Patty
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Aug 28 2009, 12:26pm


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I love consistancy, too. And LotR was in 2D. But...

I would have loved to see The Hobbit in 3D given the newest 3D tech available. I did read somewhere that LotR (as well as other films that made over $100 million ) may someday be candidates for that new technology that can elicit a 3D movie from a 2D one. No, I can't provide the link for the source of that info, though.

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jimdorey
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Aug 28 2009, 1:01pm


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Del Toro Said Exactly... Nothing.

Sorry - but he did not say yes or no here. He deftly sidestepped the question. Rest assured there have been many conversations in the past and the movie will be in 3D. GDT may select DP, etc, but it was PJ who selected GDT *and* is writing the adaptation. When you write a script for a 3D movie, the camera angles, movements, lighting - just about everything includes 3D requirements if it is shot in native 3D and not converted. I do not know how PJ is arriving at 3D for THE HOBBIT but I would be surprised if it is not native 3D.

If GDT was certain as to his answer, he would have told the one site in the world that truly deserves the truth - yet he did NOT say NO. That my friends, has a lot of volume. Mark my words - THE HOBBIT will be in 3D. My sources let me know first that PJ had settled his dispute with New Line and was attached yet again to the project. I also exposed that the LOTR trilogy would be converted to 3D. When it is a rumor I say it - like the thrid bridge movie - I have no collaboration on that, but it is a strong rumor.

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Mithrandír
Lorien


Aug 28 2009, 1:25pm


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a possible interpret.

is that it will be in both 2d and 3d. the technology means that you can show it in 2d and 3d...if i'm not mistaking. not been reading up on 3d:)

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Gwynhyffar
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Aug 28 2009, 1:41pm


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Double-speak

As much as I would like to think that GDT said it wouldn't be 3D, I can't. It does look a bit like a side-step. PJ stated months ago (of course I can't find the source now) that they were looking at 3D. That hardly sounds like no discussion had taken place about it.



Tim
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Aug 28 2009, 1:58pm


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Yeah he did say no

"no discussions" means "no discussions". Anyone not looking for a conspiracy is going to read this as a "no". Why would GDT risk angering fans by playing with us back and forth on 3D? He's gone above and beyond in being friendly with us and sharing what he can, I don't see him as really gaining anything by messing with our heads on this.

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squire
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Aug 28 2009, 2:19pm


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How are 3D scripts different from 2D scripts?

That's so interesting. Can you give us more details or a technical website where this is discussed? All the scripts I've ever read give little or no information about camera angles, lighting, or actor movements. They focus on dialogue, situation, and conflicts. Anything else is taking away power from the director to make the blocking, set-up, and shot choices later on in the production, using storyboards and mockup shots.

As others have said here, it's more likely that movies made today (including possibly The Hobbit) will be exhibited in both 2D and 3D formats, and that would seem to dictate leaving the shots up to the director, not locking them into the script. A script written the way you say, especially for 3D, might not be such a great basis for a 2D version!

One of the biggest criticisms of 3D movies is that they so often incorporate shots whose only purpose is to display the 3D format: things coming at you "through the screen". Even if this is effective as a thrill generator in 3D, it usually looks particularly stupid when seen in 2D. The general impression left over is that the filmmaker has confused his job with that of a ride designer at a theme park.



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jimdorey
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Aug 28 2009, 2:30pm


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Clearing up misconceptions

First of all - a well done 3D movie has little to no objects flying off the screen at you - 3D is used as just another tool and mainly for depth and immersion. Quality work like AVATAR, TINTIN and THE HOBBIT will be tastefully done.

Secondly, scripts by all means include guidelines for setting mood and environment - most know that. I don't know where you came up with locking up a director to what is in the script, but it is there as a guide and it is not a holy grail. BUT it is an indication of where the director should go. Dialogue is affected by what happens in the environment. AVATAR was written and shot for 3D, but rest assured it will look awesome in 2D as well.


Tim
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Aug 28 2009, 2:33pm


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Well said

One of the biggest criticisms of 3D movies is that they so often incorporate shots whose only purpose is to display the 3D format: things coming at you "through the screen". Even if this is effective as a thrill generator in 3D, it usually looks particularly stupid when seen in 2D. The general impression left over is that the filmmaker has confused his job with that of a ride designer at a theme park.

Well said Squire and I totally agree - this has been a pet peeve of mine for a looooong time. I haven't seen one 3D movie where the film maker hasn't been guilty of this.


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Tim
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Aug 28 2009, 2:39pm


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Perhaps

First of all - a well done 3D movie has little to no objects flying off the screen at you - 3D is used as just another tool and mainly for depth and immersion. Quality work like AVATAR, TINTIN and THE HOBBIT will be tastefully done.

Yeah except you can take The Hobbit off your list as I posted earlier, unless you can convince me somehow that GDT has some reason to mislead us and then tick us off later.


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jimdorey
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Aug 28 2009, 2:53pm


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He

GDT has not mislead you - merely sidestepped you. Two entirely different things.

Oh and just watch AVATAR in December. You will be satisfied.


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N.E. Brigand
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Aug 28 2009, 3:08pm


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How do you punish your anonymous sources when they're wrong?

According to this post quoting you back in December 2007, you reported then about Peter Jackson that your "sources are 'guaranteeing' that he will direct" -- in fact, you said "they are staking their reputation on it".

Can we assume that you've dumped those sources, and that your information on The Hobbit being made in 3-D comes from more reliable people?

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Aug 28 2009, 3:15pm


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yes

a well done 3d-film doesn't send stuff at you at every opportunity. It breaks your concentration and it becomes a 3d-effect, not a part of the story telling. If orc-blood comes splattering every time an orc is killed the effects make you too aware that it's a 3d-film. The film and the story becomes second. That's my experience at least.

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Aug 28 2009, 3:23pm


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In Reply To
Sorry - but he did not say yes or no here. He deftly sidestepped the question. Rest assured there have been many conversations in the past and the movie will be in 3D. GDT may select DP, etc, but it was PJ who selected GDT *and* is writing the adaptation.

Jackson is *not* "writing the adaptation." He is one of four co-writers who are cowriting the adaptation. And, of course, del Toro is one of the other co-writers. Therefore, if what you say is true about writing a script in 3D is true, it would be all the more true that del Toro would be intimately involved in any discussions about having the films be in 3D. You are, in essense, accusing him of flat-out lying when he stated “I can safely say that, as of this moment, there are absolutely NO conversations about doing the HOBBIT films in 3D.” I for one find that quite offensive.

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Aug 28 2009, 4:19pm


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Amazing

I can't believe after all the open discussion GDT has had here on this site, and in other fan forums, that people actually think he is willfully lying or purposefully being misleading. From the very beginning when he was first announced and everyone thought that would mean a drastically different looking film from the trilogy, GDT has gone out of his way to state that The Hobbit will look very much a part of those films, including film format. That means both the aspect ratio as well as the 2D format those films were filmed in.

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farmer maggot
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Aug 28 2009, 4:22pm


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Just a thought here because both views may be 'right'

GDT did not say flatly 'no -not in 3D' as some posters have correctly pointed out. But if shooting is to start in 7 months time how could conversations not be taking place if it is being shot in 3D - GDT categorically said they are not. So we have a riddle.

If the technology exists for a 2D to 3D conversion (which it does) and if 3D is taking off would it not make marketing sense for a later re-release of the Trilogy to include showings in 3D - to give fresh experience to the huge mainstream audience and entice them to take a look? If so then converted 3D Hobbit films would be logical for a (then) consistent experience.

GDT may just be leaving the door ajar for 3D Hobbit versions at that point - with no current intention to release it only or originally in 3D.


Compa_Mighty
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Aug 28 2009, 4:50pm


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Good!

Great confirmation. I have to note he said "as of this moment"... however, one would think "as of this moment" he must already know how he's going to film, mustn't he?

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Tim
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Aug 28 2009, 7:12pm


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Mislead or sidestep...

... same thing. Anyone NOT looking for a conspiracy is going to read "no discussions" as a no. If these guys aren't preparing for 3D, then there's no 3D. And you still haven't offered a compelling reason for him to sidestep us on this matter. Or mislead us. If it's going to be in 3D, then why wouldn't he just say it's going to be in 3D? If they hadn't decided on that yet - then guess what - they'd be discussing it. It's been pointed out your sources have been wrong before about PJ directing. I saw plenty of these kind of rumors when I modded the Star Wars forums during the ramp up of the prequels - so no offense man but I take them with a grain of salt.

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Buchanicus
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Aug 28 2009, 9:17pm


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I'd just like to say...

That granted I only saw 16 minutes or so of footage, but I did attend the Avatar day screening and was completely unsatisfied! In fact, all of my doubts and complaints about the format were once again reinforced (as I posted in the Avatar thread in OT board). I pretty much decided that come December I would be seeing it on a digital 2D screen, instead of paying extra to see a IMAX 3D version. It's not even a question of it not being worth it to me...I personally think that the trailer looked better on a 2D screen than the 16 minutes of 3D I saw.

Look, I'm not against the technology, I just don't think this material needs to be or should be presented in this format. I personally think that a 3D tag takes some of the prestige away from the film, it becomes about something else. Of course this is just my opinion though, I definitely don't want to make up anyone elses mind.

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Elizabeth
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Aug 28 2009, 9:39pm


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Sources aren't responsible when the situation changes.

It was months from that post until things actually fell into place.

Sources can, at best, report what the situation appears to be at the time, they can't be expected to be clairvoyant. Likewise here: it may be entirely true that they have no intention of making a 3D Hobbit, but if there's some great technological breakthrough or policy change at the studio in the months before shooting actually starts it could change.

I do hope not, though.





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Tim
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Aug 28 2009, 9:50pm


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Acountability

It was months from that post until things actually fell into place.

Sources can, at best, report what the situation appears to be at the time, they can't be expected to be clairvoyant.

This is true, but this is why these "sources" should probably avoid making guarantee's. Words mean things, when they put themselves in a position of saying they have the inside scoop and know what's going to happen in the future, then they have to be held to the standard they're holding forth for themselves.

Otherwise, they can just continue to say stuff and we just have to keep taking them seriously - because we never hold them accountable.

If I were a source and had the inside track, I would couch my proclamations of future events in probabilities, if I dared to speak at all.


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N.E. Brigand
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Aug 28 2009, 10:29pm


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Did the situation change?

Or were the sources just wrong? How would we know? They were "guaranteeing" that Jackson would direct The Hobbit -- not just that that was there was a plan for him to do so at the time the guarantee was made. Shouldn't we at least be told if these are the same sources who were "staking their reputations" on the realization of that event, so we can better assess the likelihood of their claims that The Hobbit will be a 3-D film?

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Aug 28 2009, 11:13pm


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I saw the Avatar trailer on a 2D screen...

...last week and was really, really impressed. I was getting myself psyched to go see it in 3D when it came out. A bummer to hear it won't live up to that.

As far as my overall opinion of 3D in general, I am yet to see a movie in 3D that was worth wearing the dorky glasses for. And I'm talking about the quality of the screenplay, not the 3D effects. I really WANT the technology to come of age and enhance the movie experience. I'm just not convinced it's there yet.

As far as the Hobbit in 3D? I'm in the camp that wants to see seamless continuity between H1 &2 and the other films. Please keep the look and feel of all five films the same. If you want to convert them and peddle them in a special 3D edition in five years or so, have at it.

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MrCere
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Aug 28 2009, 11:19pm


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With all respect, are you kidding?

I try to allow room for different opinions and discussion but this is beyond that now and its just simply bad information.

I heard Peter Jackson say twice in two days with my own ears that 'The Hobbit' would not be in 3D. One was in a room with 40 people discussing 3D cameras and the new digital red cameras that he had tried out and the merits of film and digital movie making. The group was discussing true film-nerd minutia and it was a definitive "no 3D" statement.

The next time was with James Cameron who was praising 3D while sitting with Jackson in front of 6,500 people and Jackson said plainly, again, that "The Hobbit" wasn't going to be in 3D.

That was good enough for me but since then, the internet ran with your unnamed sources and so, finally, I went to the guy who is directing the movie.

Guillermo responded to my question also saying it wasn't being discussed. You can twist his words to keep you hope or the credibility of your sources alive but in the context of the question, I am 100% satisfied that they are planning on a traditional film shoot, not 3D. They have no motive to deny or hide it.

Do you think these two guys are intentionally lying about this or do you think they don't know the truth? I can't figure that out.

I am done, completely, with any 3D discussion of this movie until GDT or PJ or Weta or Warners says otherwise.

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Tim
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Aug 28 2009, 11:43pm


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*stands up in the audience and says "yeah" to what MrCere just said*


Do you think these two guys are intentionally lying about this or do you think they don't know the truth? I can't figure that out.

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Well said MrCere. Proponents of the "secret hidden 'there will be a 3D Hobbit' theory" you just lack any reason that makes sense that PJ and GDT would hide everything then contradict themselves later.

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Aug 29 2009, 3:05am


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Peredhil lover
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Aug 29 2009, 7:35am


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Well said! *applause*

To be honest, the fact alone that he seems to be implying that PJ and GDT lied to us is weakening Jim Dorey's claims for me. These two have always been so open and honest to us as fans that I refuse to believe they would try to deceive us in any way now. It would do no good, after all, to alienate their fans, and be of absolutely no future use.

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Elizabeth
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Aug 29 2009, 8:07am


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As I recall, he said he wanted to...

for years after LotR, in several forums. The problem is, that it took years for the project to actually see daylight. Several months passed, for example, after the source made his/her "guarantee" before the studio agreed that preliminaries should proceed. So, the timing could have become impossible for Jackson to direct, given his other obligations; GdT could have suddenly become available and interested; Jackson could have changed his mind; many things could have happened not foreseen by the source (or Jackson himself, for that matter) in December 2007.

Yes, I agree that the source was unfortunately immoderate in his/her language, but I can easily imagine that it could have been the intention of everyone involved at one point, and impossible some months later. These things happen.





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jimdorey
The Shire


Aug 29 2009, 3:13pm


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PJ

At the time, that was the information. Does it not occur to you that situations change? That PJ was initially going to direct and changed his mind?

Did you just skip over the fact that my sources were right that Pj was attached at all and that the lawsuit was settled? That the LOTR trilogy will in fact be converted to 3D?

Give me a break.


jimdorey
The Shire


Aug 29 2009, 3:17pm


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I don't know

I don't know why GDT said that. Or why he didn't just say no - knowing what you guys are discussing on here. I mean, if he says no - thats it. No discussion is there? He knows his answer was sidestepping. No doubt about - it sounded political.

So why did he say it? My guess would be to save some boom for their own cannon when they announce it. Marketing acts strangely sometimes.


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jimdorey
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Aug 29 2009, 3:26pm


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Well reasoned...

approach. I thank you for that. It is how I picture things to have developed.


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Aug 29 2009, 4:41pm


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Aug 29 2009, 4:48pm


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lumpkin!!!!!

WOW!!!! I'm so happy to see you here!!!!! I still have a super little poscard on my wall at work of a lovely family and a handsome young princeling... right next to Scout and Ro/NZS's princlings!

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Patty
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Aug 29 2009, 6:40pm


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Hi Lumpkin!

I've been wondering what you, Mr. Lumpkin, and baby (no longer baby--I'll say "young lumpkin") have been up to. Good to see you back.

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Guillermo
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Aug 30 2009, 6:01am


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Oh, well-

Actually, in all my interactions in the site I may have gotten myself in trouble because of my enthusiasm but not any sidestepping.

As a co-writer and director of this film (who works with the design teams, costume teams, creature teams, VFX teams every day of the week), let me be very clear one more time: we are not talking about 3D, we are NOT writing the screenplay for 3D right now- we are hiring my DoP Guillermo Navarro to shoot the film and we are not discussing 3D with him either or with WETA digital or WB or anyone else.

That should be a little less sidestepping, I hope.

If after AVATAR the market may change and demands are put upon us, etc that is in the future.

But if such things happen and we start discussing 3D down the line, I'll let it be know here at TORN because that's the proper way of doing things.

But make no mistake- I've been living in NZ for almost a year now and we have not been discussing 3D.

When we do, I'll make sure your source finds out.

Thank You

Guillermo


Elizabeth
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Aug 30 2009, 7:17am


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Thank you!

That is very clear, concise, and understandable.





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Radagast_the_Brown
Rivendell


Aug 30 2009, 7:25am


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Thankyou...

so very much for clearing this up, it is as we all suspected. I for one certainly hope no "demands" are ever made. And I might be wrong, but isn't this the first word we've had that Navarro will indeed by the cinematographer on the film? Exciting stuff, some of his work on Pan's was simply breathtaking (especially during the golden throne room scene Heart).

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N.E. Brigand
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Aug 30 2009, 7:40am


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So did the situation change this time too?

Or will you be discliplining your sources? And what does your "personal guarantee" mean -- are your readers due some sort of refund now?

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Aug 30 2009, 10:44am


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Thank you

for clearing that up once and for all. That was how I had understood it from the beginning, and I am sorry some people are reading more into your words than that.

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farmer maggot
Rivendell

Aug 30 2009, 10:59am


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Thank you for giving us the most definitive reply possible on this!

It has always seemed obvious to me that if the situation with 3D should develope explosively we would see (technology allowing) 3D versions of the whole pentology in theatres soon enough - but not necessarily at the first release of the Hobbit. Consistency with the trilogy has always been made a key factor by you and PJ for this production and I am sure that this is fully trusted.

Too many of those using this site and others seem to think that film making can involve absolute commitments too the process and the final results - even cast iron contracts cannot guarantee those absolutes - impossible in any creative project. You are steering a huge enterprise lasting 3 to 5 years into the future (with DVD and Blurays) and the future can never deliver absolute certainty, just true belief and intentions.

I for one hope it gives you great confidence that most Tornadoes on this most demanding site believe enough in your personal integrity to defend it without a second thought.

In practical terms, even if 3D should become a major priority, I would think that the widest audience would be found overall by also running 2D screenings - there would have to be 2D versions for DVD/Bluray surely? I know if no technology yet that could deliver any acceptable 3D on home systems? And it does have visual distortion issues for some.

I guess us die hard trilogy fans just want to be able to watch the same world in the same way for 24 continuous hours (with pee breaks) as Ian McKellen said in his U tube BFI video, the moment you release Hobbit number 2! A future I hope to see.


Guillermo
Rivendell

Aug 30 2009, 11:10am


Views: 10284
I believe Jim-

-is defending what he believes to be true. He is a knowledgeable, passionate film-lover and perhaps his source in this case is also someone that would love to see the HOBBIT films happen in 3D. Perhaps so-

Jim has been right in the past and he may be right in the future. He is dead-on about the imminent conversion of film into an expanding 3-D field - at least in most blockbusters and I know of, at least, 4 or 5 major filmmakers preparing 3D films right now. Some of them seriously artistic and ungimmicky!!

I've seen AVATAR and I was absolutely blow away by it!! I myself expect to explore 3D soon enough- it is the future, just not my immediate future.

I promise to you guys and Jim to let you know if anything changes in that or any regard,,,

And no- neither David Tennant nor Tom Cruise are Bilbo and we are not redesigning Gollum.

My best wishes to all-

GDT


CuChulainn
The Shire

Aug 30 2009, 11:54am


Views: 8285
That clears that up...

and I am pretty glad, 'ecstatic' in fact to hear you saying those 'rumored' actors are not Bilbo, would have liked to hear however that Cruise isn't involved at all. If he isn't involved at all, it would pretty much confirm my post on the same topic about Mr.Cruise though.

Anyway good to hear also we are sticking to the same Gollum model, i thought the interpretation of him in the LOTR film trilogy to be fairly spot on, with Tolkien's descriptions of the creature in the books. You would naturally imagine more strands of hair on him, but I have every faith now that in my own head that too is cleared up.

As for 3D, I can't say I would have been in full favour of it, at-least not yet. As here in Ireland (at-least close to me) we don't have any 3d enabled theaters yet, sure we had/have IMAX, but one IMAX theater has closed in Belfast, leaving only one IMAX theater in the whole of Ireland which is in Dublin.

It reminds me of Nintendo's logical stance in the Video Game market in 2005, with Sony and Microsoft jumping into bed so early with HD T.V enabled video game consoles, whereas Nintendo remained with SD output for the Wii video game console, the likes of Zelda and Mario played perfectly normal and was immensely enjoyable in SD and proved people didn't need HD (yet) to enjoy them. Not only that, with HD ready T.V's in Ireland (or maybe worldwide) people hadn't jumped as quick with high def format and in 2006- SD remained (and probably still does) in most peoples homes.


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Ainu Laire
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Aug 30 2009, 12:29pm


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Thank you, sir!

I hope any and all questioners are happy now.

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Aug 30 2009, 12:50pm


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Thanks

Frankly, I don't get too invested in issues like 3D, how many dwarves, or who will play Bilbo. Dang, I've go so many decisions I have to make in my life I'm relieved when I can let someone else who seems pretty competent make some.

But I love how accessible and open you are. I'm sure I'll love The Hobbit. Or not. It's really not that important in my life's scheme of things. But I bet I'd like you a lot. And I can't wait to have a chance to peek (through dvd extras, interviews, etc) into the creative process you follow for this project.

Thanks. :-)


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Aug 30 2009, 12:52pm


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Tim
Tol Eressea


Aug 30 2009, 3:44pm


Views: 8296
Woot Guillermo to the rescue!

Yeah you were clear the first time in my humble opinion - there just will always be some who are going to parse words to look for what they want. Sir, you are awesome, where else can one go to get the info straight? Nowhere. Heh heh nothing against George Lucas, but it would have been nice to have him step in now and then to silence the rumor posters on his forum that I had to deal with as a mod then.

Looking forward to seeing The Hobbit!! Woohooo!!

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Tim
Tol Eressea


Aug 30 2009, 3:58pm


Views: 8331
Well yeah Jim ain't the Devil

We were just trying to reconcile contradictory information and thankfully you stepped in again.

Jim has been right in the past and he may be right in the future. He is dead-on about the imminent conversion of film into an expanding 3-D field - at least in most blockbusters and I know of, at least, 4 or 5 major filmmakers preparing 3D films right now. Some of them seriously artistic and ungimmicky!!

Man I would seriously dig an "ungimmicky" 3D film, every 3D film I've given a chance has been a big disappointment and has been gimmicky. Thanks for confirmation on future 3D conversions and I for one am willing to give conversions a chance.

And no- neither David Tennant nor Tom Cruise are Bilbo and we are not redesigning Gollum.


Bam, bam and BAM. You sir, are an awesome rumor-shooter-downer-guy. I may also mention you're an awesome film maker.

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Sunflower
Valinor

Aug 30 2009, 4:08pm


Views: 8344
Add me to the "thank you's"

I appreciate your replies both to us and to JIm very much. That clears up everything.

I am not against 3D per se, but right now I have serious doubts about it in its current incarnation.

First, I am skeptical of the technology as it stands right now because it seems to be little more than a gimmick being forced on people to wring more dollars out of the filmgoing audience in tough economic times. I am very irrititated that there is not a choice between 2D and 3D for practically ALL the children's films and blockbusters out there this summer (oh, it shows on one "token" 2D screening but that's only 2 or 3 showings a week, in all the theaters in my town) and those 3D shows are a full $4 more than regular ticket price. I have no financial problem with it, being single, but for a family pinching pennies these days it could be a problem. Concessions cost enough!
As I have repeatedly said, 3 or 4 yrs ago I watched Beowulf in 3D for only $1.50 more than regular ticket price and loved it. IMO, a 3D film should not cost any more regular ticket price than that. Anything more is gouging and unfair. The price will have to come down considerably for me to be favorable to it.

Secondly, don't get me wrong, but I don't think the technolgy has evolved yet to a point where I am impressed with it. It's great at first, but after the first half-hour it is a huge distraction. And not all films are suitable for 3D--at least in its current incarnation. Something like Beowulf or action films are great, but as it stands now, films like dramas or romantic comedies are not suitable. I know for a fact that if LOTR were put into 3D right now, the intrusion of 3D in the quieter scenes, such as Bag End, Rivendell, the Golden Hall, and the Arwen scenes it would be huge irritating distraction and would take me completely out of the story. Face it, in the end 3D is going to have to look more like seamless 2D for me to be impressed. And the glasses will have to go. They are completely unecessary.

At the current rate of development, how long do you think it may be before 3D gets to this point? Jim may be able to answer this.

Thirdly, some of us are concerned that fascination with 3D technology is being undertaken at the expense of important things like sotry, character and emotion, still the most important things in a picture. Most 3D blockbusters this summer have been sorely lacking in these things. Buchanicus and I had an extended discussion of "District 9" and Avatar in the "Avatar" thread over in OT, which has now fallen to the 2nd page down there.
Based on what you saw, I sincererely hope that Mr. Cameron has a great story with the kind of unforgettable characters that we will fall in love with, that he has peopled his past films with. I have faith that he can accomplish this..I hope.

Lastly, I am very interested to learn that apparently there are huge vision/eyesight issues for older 3D viewers. The population of the US and many other countries is rapidly aging and reading some comments on here, I am finding out that the technology is not suitable for middle-aged and older viewers. Before the technolgy can become completely acessable to the entire filmgoing population, it will have to be cleaned up to the point where these issues are resolved.
And Hollywood has got to stop concentrating on the younger and "four quandrant" family audiences--people under 50, and face the fact that demographically, they can't continue to make the huge sums of money they want without reaching out to this audience. Such antiquated things as dramas and sophisticated (NOT snarky) romantic comedies will have to come back if Hollywood is to survive. And films for women too. IMO the film industry in the end is NOT going to live and die on the blockbuster. The studio heads have GOT to get past this "huge and instant profit" metality and open themselves up to more "middle-range" films. District 9 has shown a path to how this can be successfully done, and at a fraction of the cost. (Now THERE's a film that would have been great in 3-D!)
How will 3D accomadate this? (This is a 30-something woman speaking.)

And lastly: in a nutshell, someone has to convince me WHY we need this technology so much. SorryTongueSmile
Film preservationsits and historians working in film libraries in Hollywood are finding out, with alarm, that analog film prints from decades ago are in remarkable great shape, whereas the first digital prints from the 80's and early '90's are already fading. I am concerned that digital technolgy may not last as long as traditional film prints..has any thought been given to longevity and preservation issues, or are film-makers been to dazzled by the wonder of the present?


Oh--and I guess I'm very lucky to have an IMAX theater in my town! There are less than 500 worldwide? Albany, NY is VERY fortunate then!


(This post was edited by Sunflower on Aug 30 2009, 4:15pm)


Ceres_the_Dwarf_(planet)
The Shire

Aug 30 2009, 4:11pm


Views: 8525
Doubts About No 3D Weren't Unreasonable

The 'as of this moment' phrase from the original quote definitely sounded like a qualifier, and it turns out it was. To me, it sounded like, 'we don't have any 3D plans *right now*, but those plans could change'. Now, we hear that if Avatar makes a big splash this December, we could possibly see a 3D version after all. So the people who didn't take the original comment as a definitive quashing of the 3D idea were, in fact, right.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Aug 30 2009, 4:16pm


Views: 8165
Good questions....

.... Sunflower! Heck I'm almost 40 - though I still have 20/10 vision. You've highlighted some issues I wasn't even aware of.

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Tim
Tol Eressea


Aug 30 2009, 4:51pm


Views: 8180
That's not what was being claimed

What was being said was that GDT was side-stepping or "not answering" the question - implying that 3D was being secretly planned all along - that was what was being claimed by these sources - that the Hobbit WAS going to be in 3D. GDT's first statement (that was being debated earlier) was definitive in that no 3D was being secretly planned. That's how I took it and others took it, and anyone claiming otherwise I felt were looking for a conspiracy. Turns out I and others understood it correctly - there is no conspiracy. So, the people who took the answer as a definitive "the Hobbit is not planned to be in 3D" took it the right way. THAT was what was in question and of COURSE things can always change in the future. Smile

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farmer maggot
Rivendell

Aug 30 2009, 5:56pm


Views: 8207
Thank you for the comments and added extras!

I have not seen any recent 3D material let alone a full length feature but I was involved 2 decades back in producing some polariser based 3D material for viewing at an exhibition. The process was a nightmare but the results were spectacular. If you could get past any of the gimmicks that abuse the eyes and visual cortex then a literally new dimension could hit the artform. If it can truly, naturally and comfortably place me in or at the edge of an apparently real 3D space (imagine The Pellennor Fields or Kazad-Dum with Balrog!) instead of watching a 'moving wallpaper', and can be created to naturally direct my focus of attention (so as not to be overwhelming or confusing), then a new visual world could await. But then I wear glasses already!

I will wait with interest for Avatar. Many thanks indeed. Did you consider an animatronic Bilbo by the way? Evil


Ceres_the_Dwarf_(planet)
The Shire

Aug 30 2009, 6:36pm


Views: 8434
T

5X5,

I know you were arguing in particular with Jim Dorey and assertions like 'the movie will be in 3D' but those who chimed in earlier-like Gwynhyffar, for instance-plainly weren't wrong to suspect a bit of sidestepping on Mr. Del Toro's part.

The term 'sidestep' isn't perjorative, it merely implies (to my ears) that one doesn't answer a question definitively, to allow for wriggle-room.

Well, Mr. Del Toro clearly gave himself 'wriggle-room' when he said, 'as of this moment''. Also, when he speaks up here-and how cool is that!-talking about Avatar and 'the market', well, that only bolsters the impression that some people took away from the original quote.
If they aren't having discussions about 3D *now*, they've plainly had discussions about possibly changing the plan depending on how it goes with Avatar.

Earlier, you wrote, "If these guys aren't preparing for 3D, then there's no 3D."

Given what Del Toro just wrote, 3D could very well be still be in the offing, despite the fact they're not 'preparing' for it.

You also wrote, "If it's going to be in 3D, then why wouldn't he just say it's going to be in 3D? If they hadn't decided on that yet - then guess what - they'd be discussing it."

Apparently, it's not that simple, is it? They're obviously leaving the door open, despite the fact they're not, ahem, discussing it.

-Ceres


Radagast_the_Brown
Rivendell


Aug 30 2009, 7:17pm


Views: 8251
Hmm..

I still don't see why people can't just take Del Toro's words at face value. "We have not discussed 3D". Period. Not "we did discuss it, but aren't right now, but things could change depending...". If that's what he meant, then he would have said as much, especially considering he's come here specifically to clarify this situation.

All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you...


Theodred
Lorien


Aug 30 2009, 7:38pm


Views: 8163
Maybe augmented reality is a part of the answer to future 3D reality, if you don't want to wear those glasses?

It certainly does look promising, as you can see for yourself in this video:

Code


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLCUzA6KMEw
http://www.ladyofrohan.com/funeralsong.wav


Guillermo
Rivendell

Aug 30 2009, 7:55pm


Views: 9712
Regardless-

We are not discussing 3D at all or "hedging our bets" in regards to a possible future. Haven't been doing it and are not doing it now. We are full-on en route to a 2-D, film (not digital) production. That alone should tell you something. We've been marching to a calendar and preproduction that doesn't consider the 3D possibility.

There is no memos, Faxes, emails or messenger pigeons. No 18 minute gap in teh tape. No blue dress with 3-D samples on it. No WM3-D. No 3D-gate going on at all.

Hope this closes that part of the debate.

All the best

G


farmer maggot
Rivendell

Aug 30 2009, 8:15pm


Views: 8494
WM3-D .......Love it!

Weapons of Mass ......delusion..... diversion .......derision.......dissection............ oh discussion Unsure Or maybe Miss Direction!

All delivered by (Tom) Cruise missiles straight from Dr Who's TARDIS!!!!!


Ataahua
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Aug 30 2009, 8:30pm


Views: 8188
Nice one G.

And thank you for your patience with us fans.

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Magpie
Immortal


Aug 30 2009, 8:39pm


Views: 8169
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Ceres_the_Dwarf_(planet)
The Shire

Aug 30 2009, 8:43pm


Views: 8167
Okay, I get the absurdity...

...of arguing with the director over what's going to happen with his movie, so no one needs to point that out to me right now. I do assert that post #47 does carry a whiff of 'hedging', but apparently it's all in my head.

p.s. You know who would make an awesome Bilbo? Tony Shaloub. Seriously.


Curious
Half-elven


Aug 30 2009, 9:30pm


Views: 8245
Aha!

I notice you didn't deny that Tom Cruise is playing Thorin! Shocked

Just kidding! Wink I hope you don't feel the need to deny every rumor that gets started in the next year. You have better things to do!

But thanks for stopping in. We love hearing from you. Smile


Sunflower
Valinor

Aug 30 2009, 9:37pm


Views: 8154
LOL!

Only on TORN could the director himself post an unequivocal reply to a question, and people will STILL argue about it. What was that statement about "Passionate people arguing" etc.

I love this placeSmile

Mr. Del Toro is probably chuckling mightily to himself.
Thank you, sir, for putting up with us...:)


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grammaboodawg
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Aug 31 2009, 1:18am


Views: 8834
Period. Full stop!


My grandchildren will be so bummed; but I'm not :)

Cheers!



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Tim
Tol Eressea


Aug 31 2009, 1:19am


Views: 8221
G's Not a Crook!

There is no memos, Faxes, emails or messenger pigeons. No 18 minute gap in teh tape. No blue dress with 3-D samples on it. No WM3-D. No 3D-gate going on at all.

Love the Nixon/Watergate references. Cool

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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Aug 31 2009, 1:40am


Views: 8186
*huge smile*

You're right about Jim. His posts have brought us much excitement and anticipation, and he's sharing what he can... thank goodness. This exchange has reminded me of our intense debates about whether the Balrog has wings or not. It's very cool of you to help keep us on the straight road about this... and to share with us the truth of who will NOT be Bilbo. I know you haven't been free to share any of the casting possibilities, so this is very generous. Thank you.

And thank you for checking in with us... and ready to let us know when something's up... or not.

Cheers!



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Tim
Tol Eressea


Aug 31 2009, 1:54am


Views: 8126
1's and 0's

I am concerned that digital technolgy may not last as long as traditional film prints..has any thought been given to longevity and preservation issues, or are film-makers been to dazzled by the wonder of the present?

The good news (and I'm no expert) is that digital storage space is plentiful. Slap these puppies on redundant hard drives or DVD ROM's and they'll last forever barring EMP's or world-wide catastrophe's (I've been watching too much History Channel stuff about giant meteors and cosmic radiation blasts from black holes).

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squire
Half-elven


Aug 31 2009, 3:03am


Views: 8070
Read anything from your old 5" floppies lately, or some Wordstar files from college?

You're theoretically right that digitization preserves films in a way that film stock can't. On the other hand, the idea that early 2000s films on "DVD ROMs" or "drives" will be watchable outside of a museum 50 to 100 years from now, much less "forever", is quaint.

The problem is not the data, it's the format, which changes radically on a decade-by-decade basis. And since it costs money to transfer media to updated formats (like film-to-DVD, which is happening now but not to thousands of rarer or less-popular films!), it will be the future's commercial tastes, not ours, that will dictate whether New Line's The Lord of the Rings will even be watchable by a mass audience in 2059 or 2109.



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Tim
Tol Eressea


Aug 31 2009, 5:19am


Views: 8382
oh, no man fer sure dvd's ain't going to be around long

Yeah I was just tryin to say there's plenty of storage space out there for the 1's and 0's. That's all. I know nothing about any studio's plans or strategies to save or preserve their films. Yep, anyone keeping things stored is going to have to keep track of updating software and/or hardware. I think I've heard of film stock having the same kind of problems - I remember Star Wars got pretty degraded in storage. I think there are internet online storage solutions and that's a universal format of a sort, but yeah even that is going to evolve over the years.

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Sunflower
Valinor

Aug 31 2009, 6:53am


Views: 8061
Well...

I've read a bit on the subject, mostly on Nikki Finke's site, and I've been uncomfortable about what I've read. You're right about the well-known film being preserved (they want to milk that ol' DVD dollar), while allowing other less "accessible" classics to fall by the wayside..

Regarding preservation technology:
All this ignorant JQ public film "consumer" can say is this:

I still own, in the closet, a cassette-playing Walkman and my DVD player is a combo VHS/DVD player.
I can still play my vintage 1983 cassette copy of U2's "War" on my casette player perfectly. (Granted, side 1 doesn't work--it was played to death in the 80's--but side 2 works fine. (Thank God it was one of those "full album on each side" things.)

I can still pop my played-to-death-vintage 1981 VHS copy of "The Empire Strikes Back" into the VHS part of the machine, and it works as good as the day I got =it as a birthday gift when I was a little kid.

However, when I pop in my only 6-yr-old ROTK EE DVD into the DVD part of the machine, I now have to skip a couple of scenes which have been played to death and have begun ,a couple of times, to get that "frozen Picasso painting" look when the screen freezes into a million glaring pixels. It only happens a couple of times, but if I play it too much more it will go that way permanently, and I want to preserve my LOTR DVD's, whatever format becomes available..for nostalgia's sake. Juat as I preserved the former two works of art in the format they were first released in.

We all know what happens to a DVD that's been played too much. Ironically, wasn't that the argument that was hyped to sell DVD's-that they were supposed to last forever? How can we gauantee that the same won't be true of Blu-Ray? You never really know until 10 or 15 yrs passes. But I am finding that today, in so many areas, from cars to stero systems to clothes, things were really made better 20 + yrs ago. They weren't deliberately cheaply made to force you to buy it again and again, just to fill a CEO's pocket with that nice fat Christmas bonus, without which they cannot breathe. An issue that of course was not an issue 20+ yrs ago when the studios were owned by smaller companies run by MOVIE MEN and not dishwasher or whisky salesmen, and who did require such huge huge paychecks--which they knew were impossible anyway b/c being mive men they knew how risky the art form was, yet loved it so much they stayed in it to take those artistic risks.

Speaking of filling CEO's pockets with nice fat Christmas bonuses--check out these coments from Jim Cameron himself, and the company he's teaming up with for the Avatar release:

http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/node/42123

esp the comments from the Pansonic CEO. "It has to be a blockbuster to get 3D to be watched in the home." ?? Are we hyping a movie here, or just trying to sell more HDTV's and Blu-Ray players, a source of income to take the place of declining real ticket sales? Sorry Mr. Cameron--I admire you but not here. You're pimping Panasonic product, but we have yet to hear a peep about the details of the STORY behind Avatar. Reminds me of recording artists giving their songs away for car commercials.

Excuse me for my skepticim...


(This post was edited by Sunflower on Aug 31 2009, 7:01am)


Sunflower
Valinor

Aug 31 2009, 7:32am


Views: 7896
One last thing

Hey, I'm not arguing about the advent of new technology per se--I'm not a Luddite, time goes on.

But my argument is this: give me something that makes investment in the new technology worthy, and make it at an affordable and accessible price. There's a huge difference between LOTR making the studios' dream of DVD technology become a hit with the masses, and me not minding plonking down en extra $50 for the EE's each year, and a $150-200 or however much a DVD player cost back in the day--and having to plonk down a couple *thousand* on a new maga-screen HDTV for that "ultimate 3D experience"? If easy credit is no longer a given in this global financial climate, and with real income for millions in the US and Europe shrinking year by year, where do they expect "consumers" to have that money? The free and easy days of reckless spending of the past 15 yrs are gone, "green shoots" or not. People are being pickier about venturing to the theater--they'll only go to see what has great WOM. And the mioves that have great WOM are what will go into the HDTV. "Content" sells hardware--not the other way around. WHY can't the studios learn this??

Studios are hoping that Avatar will be to HDTV and Blu-Ray and 3D what LOTR was to DVD's. We shall see. But I have a feeling that it might be The Hobbit that would do that...IF people wanted it to.
And the verdict of this site is an unequivocal we don't want it to. At least not now--not until the theatrical releases are over with.
And for good reason.

If this is what it would take, then I don't want it to. If PJ and crew, and Del Toro and crew, were to approach their Art--esp The Hobbit--like this push for Avatar, there's no way I'd see TH in the theater. Sorry. Excuse me for being pretentious, but I DO want to see the total dedication to their art these artists have come first.


Sorry for seeming like a grouch..it's just that I'm comparing what Cameron is doing with the unique and lovely thing we have going here...thst said, I am going to see Avatar..once. Whther or not I see it twice is up to the story and characters. If I cry, I'll see it again. Simple as that...


(This post was edited by Sunflower on Aug 31 2009, 7:36am)


Donry
Tol Eressea


Aug 31 2009, 3:54pm


Views: 7767
Sounds pretty clear to me....

which means the Hobbit in 3-D is a dead issue to me.

What's the matter, James? No glib remark? No pithy comeback?"


shadowdog
Rohan

Aug 31 2009, 4:32pm


Views: 7899
Didn't look that impressive to me

And how will that enhance a film on a 2D screen?


Theodred
Lorien


Aug 31 2009, 8:51pm


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Why on a screen?

Maybe it will also be possible, that with this technique, you can actually be a part of the movie, as it's in the room you're in, and not on a flat screen. That will be real 3D, won't it? And it's also possible with this technique to interact with it, so your actions could change the outcome of the movie. I'd love to see the first movie that will use this technique in the (near) future. It's reminding me of the holodeck in Star Trek. Besides, it's only a part of possible future 3D technology, there can also be other new technologies that are now or in the (near) future in development imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLCUzA6KMEw
http://www.ladyofrohan.com/funeralsong.wav

(This post was edited by Theodred on Aug 31 2009, 8:54pm)


weathertop
Rohan


Aug 31 2009, 9:07pm


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this here is the very reason

i don't like watching 3D movies...

i've been subjected to this in the past and its predecessor the C4 (which the link doesn't do any justice to). after experiencing this 3D world (the glasses didn't bother me in this - i was too distracted!!), the crap on the screen is, well, flat. Tongue

now can you imagine immersing yourself in ME like this?!!?!?!


Theodred
Lorien


Aug 31 2009, 9:27pm


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That will probably also change in the future,

but at this point the technology is not available yet that the objects themselves will really be three-dimensional, they're still flat objects projected in a 3d environment, but I guess that will also change in the future. Anyway, there will always be some illusion and imagination involved when watching a movie, as it's all just fantasy, or do you believe what you see on the screen is real? Wink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLCUzA6KMEw
http://www.ladyofrohan.com/funeralsong.wav


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Aug 31 2009, 9:28pm


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Wow, flashback to Fahrenheit 451.


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Maybe it will also be possible, that with this technique, you can actually be a part of the movie, as it's in the room you're in, and not on a flat screen.



I remembered the scene with the wife immersed in her favourite TV show by having a scripted part from her own interactive living room. Mildly freaky ... although I love it when real life catches up with scifi. Cool

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Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Sep 1 2009, 4:00am


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No.


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And it's also possible with this technique to interact with it, so your actions could change the outcome of the movie.

That's not a movie. That's a game. IMO.


Ainu Laire
Tol Eressea


Sep 1 2009, 9:19am


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Want!

Hopefully I'll be alive for it, if it ever comes around to movies.

Amazing how fast technology has been moving this last century- the art of film making just shows a snippet of it.

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Theodred
Lorien


Sep 1 2009, 9:06pm


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I have to disagree with you I'm afraid.


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And it's also possible with this technique to interact with it, so your actions could change the outcome of the movie.

That's not a movie. That's a game. IMO.


A game is something you're playing the whole time, and that's not the case with a movie. With a movie, there has to be a story that you could watch and experience in 3d in the room you're in, and not on a flat screen, but maybe at certain moments you could also participate by interacting with the movie, so you're not only a spectator anymore, but someone who will actually play a role in the movie, maybe something like this, making choices, but WITH augmented reality

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Your choices will have a large influence in how the movie will develop, so you could experience the same movie several times. Wouldn't that be fun... I really don't know if this will ever actually happen, but if it does, that would be very cool imo and it would change the entire process of moviemaking. This all came up in my mind after watching that augmented reality video. Does anyone think this could become reality in the future?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLCUzA6KMEw
http://www.ladyofrohan.com/funeralsong.wav


Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Sep 1 2009, 10:36pm


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Then call it a hybrid?

To me, a good movie is supposed to have a plot, and a set plot at that. If I can change the plot, then it's no longer a movie to me. And "Wii are not amused!" ;)
We'll just have to disagree. :)


Alassëa Eruvande
Valinor


Sep 4 2009, 2:57pm


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LOL!

"No 18 minute gap in teh tape. No blue dress with 3-D samples on it."


Priceless!Laugh



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mordor89
Bree

Sep 19 2009, 6:55pm


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