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NEW TRAILER TOMORROW



Junesong
Rohan


May 13, 2:58pm


Views: 3382
NEW TRAILER TOMORROW
 
"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."


OldestDaughter
Rohan


May 13, 3:18pm


Views: 3313
Very excited
This makes me happy!



"Keen, heart-piercing was her song as the song of the lark that rises from the gates of night and pours its voice among the dying stars, seeing the sun behind the walls of the world; and the song of Lúthien released the bonds of winter, and the frozen waters spoke, and flowers sprang from the cold earth where her feet had passed."


AshNazg
Grey Havens


May 14, 12:34pm


Views: 2944
Here we go...
https://www.amazon.com/...dp_exp_204_hb_0_link

Anyone else just staring at this? Laugh


Eledhwen
Forum Admin


May 14, 1:38pm


Views: 2924
It is up ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCwmXY_f-e0

Looks like they're continuing to throw money at it, so if nothing else, it will look pretty!

And there'll be none of that season-long "is Halbrand Sauron" stuff this time around, apparently.
Storm clouds

(This post was edited by Eledhwen on May 14, 1:38pm)


NecromancerRising
Grey Havens


May 14, 1:40pm


Views: 2915
Super excited already
I am really looking forward to an in depth analysis of every frame from the most experienced Tolkien fansSmile
"You cannot find peace by avoiding life"


AshNazg
Grey Havens


May 14, 1:42pm


Views: 2912
Where's Nori?? //
 


(This post was edited by AshNazg on May 14, 1:43pm)


DwellerInDale
Rohan


May 14, 1:49pm


Views: 2906
She's in the sandstorm
I believe that is Nori in a sandstorm at about 1:17 just after The Stranger's scene.
Don't mess with my favorite female elves.









Junesong
Rohan


May 14, 1:52pm


Views: 2900
Incredible
This looks awesome. I mean - it's just a trailer of course - but it already looks WAY better than S1.

I'm also intrigued (and a little vindicated) by the evidence in the trailer that S2 will reveal that Sauron has been among them "all along" - at least I hope that's what it means. I think a lot of the dreck of S1 can be remedied by some good story telling in S2.

Here's hoping.
"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."


OldestDaughter
Rohan


May 14, 2:22pm


Views: 2869
I think it was awesome!
I sent the trailer to my sister because she also enjoys the series and we are both super excited. I'm glad they kept Charlie Vickers for the elven form of Sauron, Charlie is one of my new favorite Middle-earth actors and one of my favorite parts of the show.

As much as I enjoyed season 1, my sister and I both agree this one looks so much better and I'm glad it's in August, doesn't feel as long as waiting for the fall, even though the first season came out early September.



"Keen, heart-piercing was her song as the song of the lark that rises from the gates of night and pours its voice among the dying stars, seeing the sun behind the walls of the world; and the song of Lúthien released the bonds of winter, and the frozen waters spoke, and flowers sprang from the cold earth where her feet had passed."


DGHCaretaker
Rohan

May 14, 2:41pm


Views: 2850
Reveals
Y'all will still be clinging to, or denying, an obvious reveal that Gandalf has been among them "all along".
The circle of defenders was entirely derivative of the Avengers circling, right down to the circular camera move.
The elven hands displaying their rings was a nice callback to the movies.
I'm reminded how poorly elven casting and design was done.


PJ Half-Elven
The Shire

May 14, 4:40pm


Views: 2787
This needs to be brilliant because…
…series 1 left me so disappointed that I have no time for the next 4.

If JRRT didn’t write a full story I don’t expect others with far less skill than his genius, to be able to write a story in his world. They can’t.

The writing for series 1 was awful (especially if you compare it to JRRT - which you should, as this is his world).

But we clearly still have the ridiculous warrior Galadriel, which for me is the biggest let down (after the terrible writing).

But now we have made up sea monsters too.

Let’s hope things do improve but I’m so detached (but I want to care and I wanted to be excited, hence this reply).

If they have the rights to Akallabeth (do we know if they have?) it would be great to see Sauron’s guile in action and all that comes with it. But I highly doubt Amazon are capable of doing a good job, whatever rights they may have.

I can’t see how any fan of JRRT can accept this show - a very sub standard shadow of his great work.


Junesong
Rohan


May 14, 6:08pm


Views: 2738
Bad news
Tolkien has died. No one writes like him. No one has his imagination or his talent. Every single person who touches his work makes it less than. This has always been true and it will always be true.

Something else that's true is that his estate has sold the rights to lots of his works and multi-billion dollar corporations have plans to make money off of his work. Most of them don't care how.

Based on your comment I would recommend logging off the internet and looking away from all this. It doesn't sound like you'll enjoy any of it (including Jackson's films)

And I don't blame you.

(However - for some of us, there's lots to love and appreciate about watching other people dive into Tolkien's world and tell more stories. I'm really excited to see how ROP connects the big moments Tolkien sketched out. I loved a lot of the first season and can't wait for more!)
"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."


OldestDaughter
Rohan


May 14, 6:39pm


Views: 2716
Thank you for this
I really appreciate you saying this, I'm very excited for this season and I know that there are people who aren't, but considering how overwhelming and stressful my personal life is, I'm happy to find some joy in this series. I read the books and love them, and can separate them from the show and the movies and I love all three for what they are. I've already had people come at me in the comment section for Fellowship of the Fans just because I'm excited. It's sad that now of days, we can't just agree to disagree anymore without getting ugly. For a while, I was staying away from this forum because I was finding myself getting more upset with some of the way people handled the different opinions. It's definitely good to have a different opinions, but to be kind about it.



"Keen, heart-piercing was her song as the song of the lark that rises from the gates of night and pours its voice among the dying stars, seeing the sun behind the walls of the world; and the song of Lúthien released the bonds of winter, and the frozen waters spoke, and flowers sprang from the cold earth where her feet had passed."


PJ Half-Elven
The Shire

May 14, 6:40pm


Views: 2713
I don’t blame you either!
I just wish the Estate would just stop allowing anything to be created, unless it’s a true JRRT narrative, which clearly it can’t now ever. Enough money must have been made by now!

These RoP “writers” are hacks and have no place in middle earth.

Mr Jackson did a fabulous job and left little to be negative about. Amazon have an Orodruin sized heap by comparison.

I’ll ignore RoP but stay switched onto the Net, just to see how badly the majority of fans receive it.

Enjoy it if you must but mediocrity is the best it will ever be, I fear.


Junesong
Rohan


May 14, 6:47pm


Views: 2708
Mr Jackson did that sometimes
I think we disagree more than you think about the Jackson movies (especially his second set of three) but I'm ok with that. I'm glad you loved them!
"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."


PJ Half-Elven
The Shire

May 14, 6:48pm


Views: 2708
I don’t mean to offend
Sorry if I have upset you or anyone.

But I don’t like the way JRRTs work is being used and that is an opinion.

If the show cheers you up and makes things better, I’m happy for you.

I leave in peace and friendship.

🙂


AshNazg
Grey Havens


May 14, 6:51pm


Views: 2721
Behind the Scenes Featurette
https://youtu.be/...JbyoY?feature=shared


OldestDaughter
Rohan


May 14, 6:52pm


Views: 2700
And that's totally fine!
You don't have to apologize for your opinion, and I can understand where you come from.
Where I love the films and the shows, they aren't the books and there are a few parts where I find myself rolling my eyes, but you are totally fine.

Again, we are allowed to have our own opinion, it's just how it's shared. But I will say, most of everyone here on the Net is so much kinder than the comments on Instagram. Some of those are just cruel.



"Keen, heart-piercing was her song as the song of the lark that rises from the gates of night and pours its voice among the dying stars, seeing the sun behind the walls of the world; and the song of Lúthien released the bonds of winter, and the frozen waters spoke, and flowers sprang from the cold earth where her feet had passed."


PJ Half-Elven
The Shire

May 14, 6:53pm


Views: 2700
I didn’t like Hobbit…
…as you mentioned it.

I didn’t like it for the same reasons I dislike RoP:

They have had to pad out/embellish too much and make up stuff that just doesn’t work or fit into JRRTs narrative. It’s obviously created by lesser writers than he.

Jackson is a great adaptor when there is a lot to work with, but not when it’s sparse (The Hobbit). The same applies to RoP, where they have virtually nothing to work with.


OldestDaughter
Rohan


May 14, 7:00pm


Views: 2694
I can respect that
I love both the Hobbit and RoP, but I will admit, even as a fan, I can see where they were struggling in what to put on screen. (The Battle of the Five Armies is my least favorite Middle-earth adaption mainly because I feel like it was just filling in alot of blanks but wasn't smooth at it so it was just not the best adaption)

I still think PJ's Lord of the Rings trilogy was the best and like you said, it's cuz he did have alot to work with, almost too much because alot of the scenes I liked in the books were cut because of how full the movies already were!



"Keen, heart-piercing was her song as the song of the lark that rises from the gates of night and pours its voice among the dying stars, seeing the sun behind the walls of the world; and the song of Lúthien released the bonds of winter, and the frozen waters spoke, and flowers sprang from the cold earth where her feet had passed."


PJ Half-Elven
The Shire

May 14, 7:08pm


Views: 2688
Totally agree
:-)


DGHCaretaker
Rohan

May 14, 7:09pm


Views: 2689
Not Anything
In Reply To
I just wish the Estate would just stop allowing anything to be created
Heh! I and others complain that the Tolkien Estate has fractured the legendarium and story to their own detriment by not releasing *enough* rights. The lack of rights to the Silmarillion and more is the reason Rings of Power is the fan fiction that it is.

As I've previously written:

Quote
[Amazon] perhaps should not have attempted this project without full rights to all works necessary to tell this story. Tolkien himself seemed happy enough to prevent such a thing, precluding the chance for these criticisms to arise. Tolkien notwithstanding, the Tolkien Estate dooms all such projects when they insist on fracturing any production's full potential by refusing to license the full history of Middle-earth (I.e., The Silmarillion, etc.) such that nothing has a chance to be as excellent and complete as Tolkien's work.


OldestDaughter
Rohan


May 14, 7:15pm


Views: 2680
As excited as I am
if the people who own the rights to the books want to make more movies or shows, they should do the Children of Hurin (Not the whole Silmarillion because I don't think that could be done unless divided by individual chapters) but I would love to see the Children of Hurin as it was one of my favorite books, but that is one I would rather be very close to the source, much like the Fellowship of the Ring.

Like with the new news that Andy Serkis is directing more LOTR films, I'm excited because I think Andy is a very capable actor and director, but I would much rather see something unfamiliar, maybe even a Tolkien source that isn't Middle-Earth. Farmer Giles of Hamm and the Father Christmas Letters are two of my favorite non-Middle-earth stories by Tolkien that would be fun to see and not straining the Middle-earth legendarium.



"Keen, heart-piercing was her song as the song of the lark that rises from the gates of night and pours its voice among the dying stars, seeing the sun behind the walls of the world; and the song of Lúthien released the bonds of winter, and the frozen waters spoke, and flowers sprang from the cold earth where her feet had passed."


Eruonen
Half-elven


May 14, 7:15pm


Views: 2684
We will have to wait and see how the story is developed
The production value...looks...design...were never the issue.

I won't speculate until I see the actual result in August.


PJ Half-Elven
The Shire

May 14, 7:44pm


Views: 2660
Very good points you make!
But I dread the thought of Amazon getting Silmarillion rights, after Cringe of Power.

I just can’t see them doing it well and I don’t think giving them more to work with would mean they’d do a better job.

I won’t be surprised if they do get the rights in the end though. Hope I’m wrong.


OldestDaughter
Rohan


May 14, 7:50pm


Views: 1625
I think it would be better if it
went to a huge Tolkien fan, then they would try to put their heart and soul into.

Like PJ was a good choice for the Original Trilogy because he lived and breathed the lord of the rings.



"Keen, heart-piercing was her song as the song of the lark that rises from the gates of night and pours its voice among the dying stars, seeing the sun behind the walls of the world; and the song of Lúthien released the bonds of winter, and the frozen waters spoke, and flowers sprang from the cold earth where her feet had passed."


Eruonen
Half-elven


May 14, 7:59pm


Views: 1618
An example of your point...look at how Amazon trashed Wheel of Time
and they have FULL rights to the books.


Amazon's show runners and writers think they know better.


OldestDaughter
Rohan


May 14, 8:07pm


Views: 1615
That is true
It seems like the one thing good that amazon is doing for their shows is Fallout, (I am a fan of the Fallout 4 video game) but that is also a video game and not a book.

As much as I love Rings of Power, I would prefer a different company or director taking over if there is another Middle-earth. That's why I'm having faith in Andy Serkis.

That being sad, I really like the Rings of Power, lore wise it's not great, but I enjoy it for what it is lol



"Keen, heart-piercing was her song as the song of the lark that rises from the gates of night and pours its voice among the dying stars, seeing the sun behind the walls of the world; and the song of Lúthien released the bonds of winter, and the frozen waters spoke, and flowers sprang from the cold earth where her feet had passed."


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


May 14, 8:13pm


Views: 1615
(Not) Adapting The Silmarillion
In Reply To
if the people who own the rights to the books want to make more movies or shows, they should do the Children of Hurin (Not the whole Silmarillion because I don't think that could be done unless divided by individual chapters) but I would love to see the Children of Hurin as it was one of my favorite books, but that is one I would rather be very close to the source, much like the Fellowship of the Ring.

Like with the new news that Andy Serkis is directing more LOTR films, I'm excited because I think Andy is a very capable actor and director, but I would much rather see something unfamiliar, maybe even a Tolkien source that isn't Middle-Earth. Farmer Giles of Hamm and the Father Christmas Letters are two of my favorite non-Middle-earth stories by Tolkien that would be fun to see and not straining the Middle-earth legendarium.

The problem with that is that the rights to The Silmarillion and The Childen of Hurin are held by the Tolkien Estate and they are not filmmakers.
“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella


Junesong
Rohan


May 14, 8:19pm


Views: 1609
The end of all things
One of the best parts of this whole fiasco is that the Tolkien Estate has NOT optioned The Silmarillion. That book is proper special - even with its unorthodox creation/collaboration with Christopher. I don't want anyone to touch it, ever.

Even if someone gave ME the rights, and billions of dollars to spend I would end up ruining it. It can't be improved upon. Film will add nothing to its beauty. Keeping it off the table is a godsend - make money off the Professor if you must, but I'm glad those stories are off limits.

Seriously - if I made those adaptations (and I'm a huge fan who would crave fidelity and who weeps when I read it etc) would disappoint myself.

Let's leave it safely in our imaginations where it belongs.
"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."

(This post was edited by Junesong on May 14, 8:19pm)


AshNazg
Grey Havens


May 14, 8:32pm


Views: 1612
Zombie king?
In Reply To
Some sort of zombie king flashes up briefly at 2:27 ?

And who is the character at 1:06?


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


May 14, 9:50pm


Views: 1573
Mysteries
In Reply To
Some sort of zombie king flashes up briefly at 2:27 ?

And who is the character at 1:06?

It does not seem as though the creature could be a Nazgul. Even if Sauron distributes the Nine Rings during this season, it should take time for the Ring-bearers to become that corrupted. Maybe it is a Wight, long before the Witch-king summons the Barrow-wights to Arthedain.

The grey Elf? I don't know but I hope that is not Cirdan. There is also a mysterious woman reaching out with her arms (not here, but in the trailer). She is possibly one of the Mystics or another of their kind. Or has one of the Blue Wizards been gender-swapped?
“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella

(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on May 14, 9:57pm)


Intergalactic Lawman
Rohan


May 14, 11:41pm


Views: 1552
It's here...
...and it looks dreadful! With the announcement of more ME films, they should stick a fork in this show before more damage is done. Any appetite fans have for ME will be diminished (further) by this shows very existence.


Junesong
Rohan


May 15, 11:45am


Views: 1378
Star Wars
I felt the same way about the various Star Wars shows that have been produced. Saw the trailers and thought they looked like trash. Haven't watched any of them or thought of any of them since. It feels great. A few friends have gotten into them and I'm happy for them - but it's just not for me.

We live in a world full of mediocre media. IP is routinely scraped over too much bread to the point of absurdity.

In such an environment it's nice to be able to just shrug some things off and walk away.
"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."


Galadhrim23
Registered User

May 15, 6:26pm


Views: 1336
Hmm
In Reply To
...and it looks dreadful! With the announcement of more ME films, they should stick a fork in this show before more damage is done. Any appetite fans have for ME will be diminished (further) by this shows very existence.
Well, there's no guarantee of the new WB movies being any good so you might want to hold your horses on that front...

Personally, I'm excited for S2 of RoP. S1 wasn't perfect by any means and it had its flaws, but the people who hate the show made their feelings known two years ago. No need to exhaust any more energy in lecturing others on what is "pure" Tolkien and what isn't.


Junesong
Rohan


May 16, 1:25pm


Views: 1273
Naz"gals"
Nerd of the Rings used that term in his video and it made me laugh into my juice. Not sure if he coined it.

I loved the three mysterious witches in Season One - I was hoping the show was going to dive into Morgoth and Sauron being worshipped like a religious cult - something that should already have been well established - and probably would've strengthened the pretty weak "Southlands" storyline.

I'm hoping season two really leans into this religious side of the Dark Lord.

Perhaps this mystery man from the trailer could be a high priest. Or a corrupted Blue Wizard?
"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."


Archestratie
Rohan


May 16, 1:37pm


Views: 1270
Yeah
In Reply To
Nerd of the Rings used that term in his video and it made me laugh into my juice. Not sure if he coined it.

I loved the three mysterious witches in Season One - I was hoping the show was going to dive into Morgoth and Sauron being worshipped like a religious cult - something that should already have been well established - and probably would've strengthened the pretty weak "Southlands" storyline.

I'm hoping season two really leans into this religious side of the Dark Lord.

Perhaps this mystery man from the trailer could be a high priest. Or a corrupted Blue Wizard?
I enjoyed the symbolism around the three witches too. They were the classic weird sisters archetype. I don't get the association with moths or butterflies or whatever. From my experience with Tolkien, I associate the butterflies with Bilbo in Mirkwood and then of course, with PJ's movies I associate moths with eagles. So I don't see what the show runners are going for.

None-the-less, since very little of what we've seen in the past touches on religion, I hope they develop it more this season. It would make sense too if the weird sisters end up on Numenor to start the Melkor cult there. Although, I bet they change it to a Sauron cult instead for the show.
My Low-Magic Fantasy Novel on eBook/hardback: The Huntsman and the She-Wolf

The Huntsman and the She-Wolf on audio Book.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


May 16, 2:01pm


Views: 1266
The Grey Man
In Reply To
Nerd of the Rings used that term in his video and it made me laugh into my juice. Not sure if he coined it.

I loved the three mysterious witches in Season One - I was hoping the show was going to dive into Morgoth and Sauron being worshipped like a religious cult - something that should already have been well established - and probably would've strengthened the pretty weak "Southlands" storyline.

I'm hoping season two really leans into this religious side of the Dark Lord.

Perhaps this mystery man from the trailer could be a high priest. Or a corrupted Blue Wizard?

One YouTube analysis concludes that the Man in Grey is our new Adar, possibly in a flashback. I'm still on the fence.
“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella


AshNazg
Grey Havens


May 20, 10:18pm


Views: 1170
#1 trending on YouTube
In films category The Rings of Power is top trending with 12M views

Below that is Wicked with 4.5M

And #3 is House of Dragon with 4.1M

I'm not good at maths, maybe someone better with numbers can get more interesting info on statistics? But this at least seems to show there is still plenty of interest in this series, despite falling viewer counts.

However, I've also noticed content creators are getting lots of views for producing videos about RoP (mostly negative). So is this a sign that the series is actually popular or are people just enjoying criticising it that much? Will it matter to Amazon if they still get the views?


Yva
Lorien


May 23, 8:09pm


Views: 1063
Interesting
S01 definitely generated a lot of hate content and even now a lot of YT content creators live off from it and create mocking teaser reactions and breakdowns. It's become a bit of a sport, the comment section is the playground for them and it seems these people won't just let it be. However, I'm not sure that alone could be responsible for such a high number of views of the teaser itself, especially given the huge gap between RoP and HotD, I didn't expect that at all. The teaser generated a lot of re-watches on Prime and the show is suddenly really popular on IMDB in terms of searches. The teaser is well done, the haters are mocking Wicker's wig but other than that, there's nothing much substantial for them to point out. So I feel like the controversy is definitely helping Amazon at the moment.


Junesong
Rohan


May 23, 8:13pm


Views: 1063
Online vs Reality
I think - as per usual - the online noise is much louder than the actual lived reality. In fact - a lot of the haters are watching the show right along with the rest of us. Sometimes more than once.

If season two does improve and the show becomes an actual success - both artistically, and financially - nothing will change. They'll just hate it even more.
"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."


Narvi
Lorien

May 23, 9:43pm


Views: 1054
it is strange
I noticed that the teaser's release was immediately (as in minutes after the fact) picked up by most major entertainment news outlets. The stories all shared essentially the same descriptive prose. I imagine that they were given advance warning/a sneak peek. I don't know if House of the Dragon got the same kind of instant amplification across news outlets. That said, I feel like it would be weird if it hadn't--this type of thing seems like a standard marketing strategy these days. Perhaps it really was just a difference in the level of enthusiasm (both positive and negative) that catalyzed the rapid view-count.


DGHCaretaker
Rohan

May 23, 10:16pm


Views: 1051
Bash Parties
In Reply To
"these people"... "the haters"... the controversy is definitely helping Amazon at the moment.
Despite my criticisms of the show and the show's attacks against fans via Access Media, the online Bash Parties bother me too. It's distasteful, embarrassing. It's excessive, mobbish, and not in the spirit of making things better. They could do a better job of it than just snicker at everything. It ruins their credibility for the legitimate issues they raise.

But you should listen to yourselves when using words that marginalize "the others" in the same manner; let's laugh at the silly critics. I'm watching closely for how the production itself handles the fans this time around.

And yes, it helps Amazon metrics more than just ignoring the whole thing.


(This post was edited by DGHCaretaker on May 23, 10:16pm)


Yva
Lorien


May 24, 12:56am


Views: 1042
You extrapolate something from my comment that wasn't there
I definitely hope Amazon avoids marketing blunders like superfan videos and suggesting people are racist. In fact, based on the teaser views, they don't really need to do anything and perhaps could even save some marketing money. Just release one sneak peek and an official trailer in a month time and let the momentum roll. What they have revealed so far is more than enough to keep people speculating until August.

I have little understanding for the hate content and I have no other word for it, yet my main point was that the fact it probably contributed to generating 3times the views of the HotD teaser, when the only really questionable thing in the teaser is the wig (as pretty much everything else can end up being good or bad depending on the final context), is bizarre.


DGHCaretaker
Rohan

May 24, 5:28pm


Views: 1021
Wig Jabs
I expected, as I think many did, a different actor to portray Sauron in angelic form. Going with the same actor in a pretty bad wig makes everyone look dumb from the production to the writers to the character to the other characters in the fiction who can't see through a simple wig.

And in the real world, it occurs to me as a jab, intentional or not, with the wig now a symbol of evil, at those who complained about the development choices of doing without the standard hair styles from the movies and the lore.


(This post was edited by DGHCaretaker on May 24, 5:31pm)


fantasywind
Rivendell

Jul 9, 7:10pm


Views: 433
I am fully in agreement!
I hate that they try to spin this show as anything connected to Tolkien at all! Since this is a simple trash tier fanfic average generic fantasy story wearing Tolkien world as skin suit!!!! It doesn't have ANYTHING to do with his creative vision when it actually cannot even tell simple events that he envisioned! So why the heck anyone would try to compare this to Tolkien...really?! There's no comparison I mean seriously if Tolkien fans want fanfics,...they will find much better written stories on the net :). Thank goodness I'm done with this show..I will not support it nor watch it because it's simply put lame fic pale imitation...hell when they cannot even do basic worldbuilding rihgt...you know you are in the realm of fanfic writers who make the most amateurish stuff out there hehe.

I mean someone can enjoy this pile of crap...there's no accounting for taste I guess...but damn it shouldn't have anything to do with Tolkien so to not marr his name...and it certainly doesn't have anything to do with his vision when it tells entirely different story......I am disappointed that so many just accept it....hell the one case of similar show House of the Dragon..based similarly on the brief historical summary of events....just like the Amazon show supposedly was to be....and the HBO did so much better job...sure they invented new things changed or altered or tweaked here and there....but damn there at least the basic lore was used and events as in book Fire and Blood and still managed to build something.....Amazon attempt in comparison is......woah....bad. Funnily enough the House of the Dragon is more faithful to it's source than the first season of Amazon primal rings )....at least the events were accurate hahahah. The story beats in the Amazon show were entirely made up and contradicted Tolkien left and right!