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Arannir
Valinor


Jul 14, 1:19pm

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPSo061y3mk


Wow... of course a million things can still go wrong with the storylines and characters. But I cannot help myself but get excited for

- use of old music, music in general
- the look of locations
- the way Elrond pronounces Galadriel :D
- the eye of Sauron
- the production design
- undestroyed Khazad-dum



"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien

We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.



(This post was edited by Arannir on Jul 14, 1:28pm)


DeadRabbits
Lorien


Jul 14, 1:24pm

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 You beat me with a couple of seconds when creating a new post for the trailer. I guess that mine will be taken down shortly, so I will post my comments regarding the First age stuff here instead:
What surprises me is the amount of First age material it contains. Galadriel narrating ("There was a time when the world was so young. There had not yet been a sunrise. But even then... there was light.) the shot of Finrod walking up the hill to see Tirion upon Túna, Telperion and Laurelin strongly indicates that we will get some sort of prologue, which would be a perfect callback to the Galadriel-narrated prologue of FotR.

Also, is the fiery flashback at 1:10 from The War of Wrath?

Some people have suggested that the Elves drawing swords at 2:01 are Fëanor and his sons taking their oath, but I guess that remains to be seen.


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Arannir
Valinor


Jul 14, 1:27pm

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... as it took some time for someone to post it :)

I thought the fiery scene might be a vision of Galadriel about what happens when Sauron/Evil rules the world.

The way the flames surround meteoroid man make me very certain he is Sauron after all.



"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien

We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.



Junesong
Lorien


Jul 14, 1:33pm

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Still taking it in but it looks amazing. Also, who's the guy in black leading the orcs? Is that the "fallen elf" character we keep hearing about?

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DeadRabbits
Lorien


Jul 14, 1:55pm

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Yes, that is indeed Adar played by Joseph Mawle [In reply to] Can't Post

The first look of him (beside the brief shot in the trailer) can be viewed here.

Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought


cats16
Valinor


Jul 14, 5:14pm

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Seems like this more so the "true" teaser whereas the previous one was more of a "first look" rolled into a Super Bowl spot. Which has me wondering if there's still a plan to release an official trailer next week during Comic Con, or soon thereafter. It's odd to me that they'd only release this and not release anything during Comic Con, but I'm also in favor these days of releasing minimal marketing materials until a couple of weeks from release date - people have short memories anymore.

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Eruonen
Valinor


Jul 14, 6:08pm

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I am cautiously optimistic based on what we have been shown [In reply to] Can't Post

The trailer does capture the look and feel of the world and hints at the scope of history. The snippets of acting / dialogue are good.

Could Amazon mess it up? Sure.
It remains to be seen if they pull back from some of the more divisive issues.


Lindele
Gondor

Jul 14, 6:42pm

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much of it passed the hugely obnoxious prime logo...but aside from that, as someone who has not been overly excited about all we've seen so far...this looks pretty exciting.


Bladerunner
Gondor


Jul 14, 8:12pm

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Pros:
The scenes of Khazad-dum, Lindon, Numenor and other Middle-earth locations are stunning.

Cons:
I still have significant reservations about this production.
In my opinion, the trailer lacks dramatic tension.

The focus of the storytelling thus far has not been compelling.
Some of the voice-over narration and dialogue seems a bit pedestrian: "Elves have forests to protect, dwarves their mines, men their fields of grain, but we Harfoots have each other, we are safe." Ok.

In previous comments, I've expressed my concerns with the depiction of a "youthful" Galadriel.
I had hoped that this series would finally tackle the complexity of elven immortality and the relative age differences between elves in a more nuanced and refreshing manner as opposed to simply equating centuries or millennia-old elves as the equivalent of a 20-something or thirty-something human.
Galadriel's line, "You have not seen what I have seen," gives me a glimmer of hope.

I'm also concerned that the series will portray Ar-Pharazon and his followers as cookie-cutter anti-elven xenophobes, when in reality, the psyche of the Numenorean kings gradually transformed over the centuries due to multiple factors, including an ironic growing despair of death, jealousy of elven immortality, and hubris.
Hopefully, his character and motivations will be portrayed with more complexity.

What initially most appealed to me about the series was how the key character-driven conflicts of Tolkien's works could potentially be brought to life, (such as between Celebrimbor and Annatar, Miriel and Pharazon, Ar-Pharazon/King's Men and Elendil/Faithful, and Elendil/Gil-Galad vs. Sauron) and how Elrond, Isuldur and to a lesser extent Durin IV, evolve into their eventual leadership roles.
So far I have not seen any hint of the core or essence of Tolkien's Second Age storylines in the teasers.



skyofcoffeebeans
Rohan

Jul 14, 8:42pm

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indeed significantly detracts from the trailer, imo.


DGHCaretaker
Lorien

Jul 14, 8:54pm

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Cons: ...
In previous comments, I've expressed my concerns with the depiction of a "youthful" Galadriel.
I had hoped that this series would finally tackle the complexity of elven immortality and the relative age differences between elves in a more nuanced and refreshing manner as opposed to simply equating centuries or millennia-old elves as the equivalent of a 20-something or thirty-something human.


In my limited reading, what I remember was made pretty clear by Tolkien: Elves grow normally by human standards through childhood, puberty, and adolescence to adulthood and stop aging. They are ageless but not immortal. Accidents and wars happen. If we're only waiting for full prefrontal lobe development, I would expect all unharmed elves over 25 or 26 to appear to be the same physical age. And as with all statistics, there are outliers of imperfection.

Elrond in LOTR would be an over-old casting. It would be strange to our eyes to see parents and children all of the same age and vigorous beauty. I suspect this can cause some bias about casting and some mild discomfort from the subconscious projected wonder of what they would do with each other (if they were human).


Eledhwen
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Jul 14, 9:08pm

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What they're doing is growing on me - at the least, this looks like a high-quality production with ambition, and I'm definitely going to give it a shot. I can't work out how they're going to weave it all together, but I'm quite excited to see how it ends up.

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Lissuin
Valinor


Jul 14, 11:27pm

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Over twenty years ago I avoided anything related to the upcoming Lord of the Rings films. It did not seem remotely possible that anyone would be able to bring the images of Middle-earth I carried in my head to the screen.

But John Howe, Alan Lee and the Wizards of Weta did it. When I finally saw Fellowship, weeks after it opened, I was stunned by the beauty of it. The Shire first made me cry; then the Prancing Pony, Rivendell (Rivendell!), Moria, Lothlórien, Parth Galen. All there. And although Alan Lee may not have been on site for this one, his influence is still felt.

Thank you, guys, once again.


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hatster
Rohan


Jul 15, 2:38am

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I felt like it was knocking off the best scenes of the LOTR movies. The flyover of the mountains. The eyes of Galadriel with her narration. I guess I was hoping for something more of its own style. And hobbits on the march in that age? I confess I've not been paying attention much since I had little hope Amazon would do this justice, but the heavy handed references to the trilogy movies at the very least could have been handled more subtly

Sorry, I'll go grumble in my corner by myself. Tongue

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vtboyarc
Lorien


Jul 15, 2:49am

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Wowza. This trailer made me just have to come back to this forum after a long absence. Hello again! I missed this place.
A couple things:
The two trees of Valinor! Just; wow. They look so beautiful, Telperion with its silver leaves and Laurelin, with its gold leaves. Just, beautiful. As a massive fan of The Silmarillion, this was my favorite part of the trailer and I watched it over and over.
I am curious how they’re able to show that in the series, as I thought they couldn’t use Silmarillion stuff, but hey, I’m not complaining!

Also, the man in the meteor - the overhead shot of him surrounded by flames, reminded me of the eye of Sauron, with the flames around him. Could this be Sauron making a dramatic entrance to Numenor!?

So excited for this show!


sharku
Rivendell

Jul 15, 3:35am

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[Elves] are ageless but not immortal.


Not to be overly technical, and my memory fades, but I thought they were immortal, but could be killed by grief or war (then have the choice of coming back to the mortal realms a la Glorfindel, or remaining in Aman)?


Ataahua
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Jul 15, 3:42am

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Galadriel narrating ("There was a time when the world was so young. There had not yet been a sunrise. But even then... there was light.)


...that got me right in the heart. Shocked Heart

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

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Ataahua
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Jul 15, 3:47am

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That's the description I was trying to find: ambition. [In reply to] Can't Post

If nothing else, this absolutely doesn't look pedestrian or colour-in-between-the-lines. I'm intrigued about the scope of this story so I'll be watching to see how it unfolds.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Jul 15, 3:50am

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Not to be overly technical, and my memory fades, but I thought they were immortal, but could be killed by grief or war (then have the choice of coming back to the mortal realms a la Glorfindel, or remaining in Aman)?


Close; Elves mostly have the opportunity to be re-embodied in Aman (assuming that their spirits have returned to the Halls of Mandos) but they need special dispensation in order to return to Middle-earth (as did Glorfindel).

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Eldy
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Jul 15, 3:54am

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I thought they were immortal, but could be killed by grief or war (then have the choice of coming back to the mortal realms a la Glorfindel, or remaining in Aman)?


...Elves could be reembodied, yes, though the Valar had to permit it. Whether they could return to Middle-earth or not is a more complicated question. Tolkien touched on this in the two texts about Glorfindel found in the The Peoples of Middle-earth. In "Glorfindel I," he stated that reembodied Elves "could remain in Valinor, or return to Middle-earth if their home had been there" (HoMe XII, p. 378), but I find this untenable. I think it strains credulity that such a policy would not have seen large numbers of Exiles, Sindar, and Avari—likely including some prominent figures—return to Middle-earth, but we have no indication this was a regular occurrence. Elsewhere, Tolkien stated "[t]he rehoused fëa [soul] will normally remain in Aman. Only in very exceptional cases as Beren and Lúthien will they be transported back to Middle-earth.... After removal of/? destruction of Aman as physical part of Arda – there could be no return" (NoMe, p. 261). I consider this far more plausible. "Glorfindel II" makes a similar point about the effective impossibility of return after the removal of Aman, but it also suggests that Glorfindel's decision to stay in Aman in the late First and early Second Ages was "no doubt at first by his own choice" (HoMe XII, pp. 381–382), whereas that would not be his choice to make in the NoMe scenario.

EDIT: cross-post with Otaku-sempai, who said this much more succinctly. Tongue


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Archestratie
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Jul 15, 11:55am

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The trailer was impressive. I guess this confirms that Meteor Man is Sauron now, right?

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Arannir
Valinor


Jul 15, 2:14pm

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The trailer was impressive. I guess this confirms that Meteor Man is Sauron now, right?


... but the way the impact zone basically looks like his eye for a moment strongely suggests that he is. I guess they will explain how Morgoth was banished to the void... And potentially that Sauron was banished with him and manages to return.



"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien

We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.



Bladerunner
Gondor


Jul 15, 4:04pm

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...were shown in the previous teaser trailer.



Lightice
Lorien

Jul 15, 5:02pm

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I guess they will explain how Morgoth was banished to the void... And potentially that Sauron was banished with him and manages to return.


I'd assume that Sauron simply elected to hide outside Arda in disembodied form to avoid the Valar's notice.


DGHCaretaker
Lorien

Jul 15, 5:56pm

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The two trees of Valinor! Just; wow. They look so beautiful, Telperion with its silver leaves and Laurelin, with its gold leaves. Just, beautiful. As a massive fan of The Silmarillion, this was my favorite part of the trailer and I watched it over and over.


Caught my eye too. This was fun. I very much enjoy when artists go for real depictions instead of the metaphors. Metaphors are the easy way out. Lazy. Inconclusive and indecisive. Disappointing, like when "the proof is left as an exercise to the reader" in a mathematics books. Making it real is strong, done well. There is risk. It's going out on the (metaphorical - I couldn't resist) limb. I like artists who have that bravery, that commitment.

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