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Moahunter
Rohan


Oct 10 2019, 5:22am

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https://www.stuff.co.nz/...vvYFek3aS0hU3BD4O0d0


Althoun
Lorien

Oct 10 2019, 9:42am

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Here's the casting call from one of the agencies yesterday (BGT):

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2079569812144312&id=628001013967873

BGT Actors Models & Talent

Yesterday at 7:32 AM ·

Lord of the Rings - Casting now!! For the upcoming Amazon Original series based on The Lord of the Rings”

ALL APPLICANTS PLEASE APPLY FOR A FREE TRIAL PROFILE. ALL APPLICANTS ARE FREE.

If you are registered with BGT and you are suitable you will already be submitted.

We need

short people under 4 foot 12 If this is you please call Evelina on 021-398-727
Tall people over 6 foot 5 - If this is you please call Evelina on 021 - 398-727 now.
Character faces, wrinkles and lots of them please
Androgynous men and women
Hairy hairy people of all ages and ethnicities
Tall, Long Lithe dancers
Circus performers who can juggle, stilt walk!
Stocky mean-looking bikers
Eurasian people of all ages.
Hispanic - Latino, Mexican, South American - HOLA
Red heads all ages, shapes and sizes. 12.HAIR HAIR HAIR - if you natural red hair, white hair, or lots and lots of freckles.
All other roles please apply our website.

How to Apply!!! head to our Application form.

https://www.bgt.nz/join/talent/application.html

When you get to the bit of the application form that says how did you hear about us please pop in the role type as per above.

As an example,

if you are 4 foot 10 pop that in and put in LOTR if you are covered in Freckles pop in Freckles LOTR if you are tall pop in 7 foot 2 Tall LOTR If you are in Auckland and you want to come and sign up in person - then please do.

We are based next to the Auckland film studios at 1/3 Rabone street, Henderson.

Please park in the street and ring the BGT BELL.

Emma our talent manager will be there to greet you. We will sign you up, take some fabulous photos and then submit you to the fabulous production.

Any questions at all pls email me - Evelina on evelina@bgt.nz

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Althoun
Lorien

Oct 10 2019, 10:09am

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I was very much concerned that they put this particular class of people first in the list of casting reqs in that BGT casting call.

Sounds a bit Hobbity.

There are no hobbits among the main cast of Second Age characters, nor do any live in Númenor, Eregion, Lindon, Minhiriath or Enedwaith where the show should be based.

They hadn't yet emerged in the Second Age and Tolkien expressly tells us that there were "no hobbits" in the older legends.

As such, I hope we get a surprise and they are Drúedain or Dwarves.


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Chen G.
Rohan

Oct 10 2019, 12:55pm

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I'm sure they want Dwarves, not Hobbits [In reply to] Can't Post

which is in itself surprising. A show set in the early-to-mid Second Age would likely focus on Elves and Men of Numenor (and, you know, the odd corrupted Maia).

To see that they also want to keep the Dwarves around as part of the visual texture of Middle Earth is nice, and reassuring.

The need for tall people and for those walking on stilts seem to me to be required for scale-work.


CuriousG
Half-elven


Oct 10 2019, 1:58pm

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Dwarves. Maybe we get to see Khazad-dum in all its pride and glory? If there's a segment on the Elves in Hollin working with the Dwarves in Moria, and even casually saying "Mellon" to open the doors, that would be a treat.

Can't fathom the call for red hair, and considering how everyone seemed wigged in LOTR anyway, I wonder why it matters. Same goes with freckles--can't you paint them on easily? But, I don't make movies, so I'm sure it makes sense somehow.


fantasywind
Bree

Oct 10 2019, 2:14pm

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Dwarves. Maybe we get to see Khazad-dum in all its pride and glory? If there's a segment on the Elves in Hollin working with the Dwarves in Moria, and even casually saying "Mellon" to open the doors, that would be a treat.
Can't fathom the call for red hair, and considering how everyone seemed wigged in LOTR anyway, I wonder why it matters. Same goes with freckles--can't you paint them on easily? But, I don't make movies, so I'm sure it makes sense somehow.


I would ask the same regarding lack of teeth :), but jokes aside this is a strange casting call, why those specifics exactly? No idea, the presence of Dwarves I would expect to be natural (I hope they won't succumb to temptation to show Hobbits). Khazad-dum halls that we already glimpsed in movie format, seen in actual time of glory and wealth, full of light and splendor would be a welcome element, crystal lamps of Khazad-dum, inhabited sprawling with activity halls and tunnels and working mines would make for a nice scenery, besides plot important characters pass through Moria, once Galadriel and her daughter Celebrian, also Amroth is mentioned, and second time for the war of the Elves and Sauron, dwarven and elven troops of Lorinand are issuing from the West-door. Elves of Amroth folk (though maybe they would go to show his father Amdir/Malgalad if they would use material of Unfinished Tales well).


uncle Iorlas
Lorien


Oct 10 2019, 3:43pm

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but a while back they explicitly wanted hobbits, and I rather suspect they still do. They'll change what they have to to get there (or more likely, they'll change exponentially more than they would have to). We'll see. There are ways to squeak them in that wouldn't break things too badly.


Althoun
Lorien

Oct 10 2019, 3:55pm

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Is that Hobbit characters would serve no purpose for the general shape of the Second Age and the essential plot points they need to tick off from the Appendices.

I would be OK with them in the background - somewhere far up the Valley of Anduin between Rhovanion and the Misty Mountains, where Tolkien has them originating - as an obscure (at this stage, not yet settled/sedentary as in the Shire later on) hunter-gatherer sort of 'little people' that hide away in their holes and take nothing to do with the affairs of the 'Big People'.

According to the established lore, they would essentially remain like this until the year 1050 of the Third Age, when the first daring Hobbits cross the Misty Mountains into Eriador, after Sauron takes up his abode in Mirkwood, thus entering for the first time into the in-world 'historical record'.

If they absolutely want for - some reason - to shoe-horn in Hobbits, that's how it should be done - brief, background characters encountered in travels between Rhovanion and the Misty Mountains by Númenóreans, Elves or Dwarves.

The only thing that had me worried about this casting call was the fact that the first extras being called for were these short people under "foot feet 12 inches", implying these will be prominent types of characters on the show. That really would not be kosher if these are Hobbits.

But, they did also ask for 'earthy, weathered, dark skin tones, missing teeth, wonderful noses' on the Talento casting call (not Hobbity looking), so the 'little people' here could be Drúedain (who would be present in both Númenor and Middle-earth at this time)


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Oct 10 2019, 4:03pm

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I've got to agree with the general consensus that the call is not for Hobbits unless we get some flash-forwards (maybe Bilbo, Frodo or Sam is narrating?).

Appearances by the Drúedain are certainly possible, but--though they would be short and stocky compared to most other Men--they would still be counted among the Big Folk. The call for shorter actors is most likely for the casting of Dwarves.

Perhaps the call for red heads has to do with an Easterling tribe or Wild Men inhabiting Eriador.

I wonder if the call for performers proficient with stilts might involve Trolls and/or Ents?

The other calls for taller actors are probably for both Númenóreans and Elf-lords.

Btw, people don't say "4 feet 12 inches" any more than they would say "5 meters 100 centimeters"; they say "5 feet".

"Change is inevitable. Growth is optional." - DRWolf (after John C. Maxwell)

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The Dude
Bree

Oct 10 2019, 6:00pm

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1.) Do casting calls usually look so amateurish?

2.) What are "hairy hairy people", exactly? Men with more hair on their back than on their head?

3.) "Stocky mean-looking bikers": I assume this refers to dwarves, but how many bikers are there in New Zealand?

4.) "Eurasian people of all ages": One of the more intriguing casting calls in the list. Of course, it is still far too early to come up with a sound interpretation of said line, but who knows, maybe this refers to a group of people in Rhûn. Maybe their culture will be modeled in parts after some of the pre-modern cultures of the (Western) Eurasian Steppe, e.g., Scythians, Tatars, Pechenegs, Göktürks. And maybe, just maybe, this could imply that the showrunners have done (at least part of) their homework and have read a thing or two about the ethno-cultural landscape of the pre-modern world beyond the Tanais.



squire
Half-elven


Oct 10 2019, 6:39pm

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... that Numenorean royalty favored hobbits as jesters in the courts of Armenelos.

Much the way Pippin's mannerisms amused Denethor, Merry's erudition attracted Theoden, and the Shirefolk engaged the Rangers of Eriador in the latter Third Age. They're funny, and wise in unexpected ways. Hard to daunt, when it comes to it. Utterly charming, really. And very reminiscent, when you think of it, of the hobbits that drove the success of the New Line LotR film trilogy.

Wait.. I mean... weren't those the Druedain, in Numenor actually, brought over the Sea to accompany the faithful Men after the wars of the First Age, as laid out in Tolkien's notes? In a cunning twist, it seems that in the run-up to the Downfall, the Drugs took ship back to Middle-earth as they sensed the corruption and coming destruction of their friends' blessed island. And weren't the Druedain reconceived by Tolkien as a possible vehicle for 'earthiness' and 'commoner's perspective' on the lofty 'heigh style' of the Silmarillion's tales, such that Turin's father-figure family retainer Sador was considered for retrofitting as the druadan Sadog?

And so... and so... and so, can't we just cut to the chase and add those pert hobbit jesters, and their families and friends, both in Numenor and in the colonized cities on the mainland, while still staying true to Tolkien's later conceptions?

Why yes. Yes, we can.



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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Oct 10 2019, 7:45pm

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And so... and so... and so, can't we just cut to the chase and add those pert hobbit jesters, and their families and friends, both in Numenor and in the colonized cities on the mainland, while still staying true to Tolkien's later conceptions?

Why yes. Yes, we can.


...I have a hard time, though, imagining that the Tolkien Estate would approve such an alteration.

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InTheChair
Lorien

Oct 10 2019, 9:29pm

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I think Wild Men and a few Dwarves rather than Hobbits [In reply to] Can't Post

For the others:

Character faces, wrinkles and lots of them please : Could also be for the Wild Men, as well as elderly of all races.
Androgynous men and women : I guess Elves, if they stick with the movies effeminate fashion of Elves.
Hairy hairy people of all ages and ethnicities : We could be in Wild Men territory again. Dwarves or Orks possible though less likely. Werewolves perhaps.
Tall, Long Lithe dancers : This must be the Entwives, and one or two Elves.
Circus performers who can juggle, stilt walk! : Who knows. Anything goes.
Stocky mean-looking bikers : This would take us to Ork or Troll country.
Eurasian people of all ages. : Men and Extras?
Hispanic - Latino, Mexican, South American - HOLA : A hard guess. Should be for Numenor. Could be for Harad.
Red heads all ages, shapes and sizes. 12.HAIR HAIR HAIR - if you natural red hair, white hair, or lots and lots of freckles. : Honestly, no idea. Dwarves? Some clan of Elves? Wild Men again?



squire
Half-elven


Oct 10 2019, 10:27pm

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It seems more like an addition than an alteration [In reply to] Can't Post

As any number of commentators have noted, this entire project is based on liberally adding plot, characters, and places to the existing second age legendarium.

Now in this case, no hobbits are mentioned in the royal courts of Numenor, sure. But the absence of hobbits is not mentioned, either - and the fact that no later records of their presence there exist in the Third Age writings is unsurprising, given the total destruction of the civilization and hobbits' well-known trait of being 'overlooked' by the high and the mighty. Certainly to add them in the way I suggest is no alteration of the stories as we have them. The Tolkien Estate wouldn't have a leg to stand on there, as far as we know.

I'm kidding, of course, in my convoluted justification for getting everyone's favorite Middle-earth race back on the screen for the 'Lord of the Rings' TV series. But I bet the show's writers aren't kidding about that kind of open-minded thinking about what's possible that doesn't, ah, alter the minuscule amount of text by Tolkien on the Second Age, relative to the huge amount of text required by dozens upon dozens of hour-long scripts in the years to come.



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Hasuwandil
Lorien


Oct 10 2019, 10:35pm

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For the others:

Character faces, wrinkles and lots of them please : Could also be for the Wild Men, as well as elderly of all races.
Androgynous men and women : I guess Elves, if they stick with the movies effeminate fashion of Elves.
Hairy hairy people of all ages and ethnicities : We could be in Wild Men territory again. Dwarves or Orks possible though less likely. Werewolves perhaps.
Tall, Long Lithe dancers : This must be the Entwives, and one or two Elves.
Circus performers who can juggle, stilt walk! : Who knows. Anything goes.
Stocky mean-looking bikers : This would take us to Ork or Troll country.
Eurasian people of all ages. : Men and Extras?
Hispanic - Latino, Mexican, South American - HOLA : A hard guess. Should be for Numenor. Could be for Harad.
Red heads all ages, shapes and sizes. 12.HAIR HAIR HAIR - if you natural red hair, white hair, or lots and lots of freckles. : Honestly, no idea. Dwarves? Some clan of Elves? Wild Men again?


Stocky mean-looking bikers : Dwarves, I would think. Or Wild Men.
Eurasian people of all ages. : Probably Men, in particular Easterlings.
Red heads all ages, shapes and sizes. 12.HAIR HAIR HAIR - if you natural red hair, white hair, or lots and lots of freckles. : I don't know for sure. Red hair is uncommon among Elves, and the Númenóreans typically have dark hair. In PJ's films we saw a Dwarf and an Elf with red hair, as well as some Men. My guess would be Men of Eriador, Minhiriath, and/or Enedwaith, although there should also be many with dark hair.

I notice they're not advertising for people of average height, with normal features, or with brown or blond (or even dark) hair (and fair skin), but I suppose that's because they know they'll be inundated with such people in New Zealand. If they fish for the unusual, they'll catch plenty of the usual along with them.

Hêlâ Auriwandil, angilô berhtost,
oƀar Middangard mannum gisandid!


Hasuwandil
Lorien


Oct 10 2019, 10:50pm

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I'm having trouble finding the actual casting call from Talento, but here is a transcription of the image from the Stuff story:


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We are looking for a mix of people of all ages, genders/other from multi-
racial backgrounds with interesting character faces and physicality's.

These are for Background and Featured Performer roles:-

EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE WE ARE LOOKING FOR...

Character Faces (Earthy, Weathered, Dark Skin Tonnes, Missing teeth,
Wonderful Noses etc etc)
Bearded Hairy Biker Men/Woman/Other
Lean Tall Androgynous Looks
Beautiful, Fair Fine boned Faces (you must be willing to wear sheer
clothing )
TALL People - 6" ++
TALLER People 6"8 ++
Small People -- 4"6 to 4"11
Musicians


Typographical errors are not mine. The last line is cut off, so I'm not sure if that's the whole casting call.

Hêlâ Auriwandil, angilô berhtost,
oƀar Middangard mannum gisandid!


Althoun
Lorien

Oct 10 2019, 11:05pm

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While the Second Age material is admittedly very limited... [In reply to] Can't Post

....it still has a clearly defined shape, dramatis personae, an elegiac tonal quality of relative grimness, horror and tragedy, and the dialogue sections and characterisation we do have are - in my opinion - among Tolkien's best and most distinctive, with Aldarion and Erendis being a genuine little literary gem.

In other words, there is a way of penning many volumes of scripts based off of these generalised plot points, unfinished tales, extracts and annals, that would be in keeping with the spirit and character of this era in the legendarium. It could be done.

Its not as if this is an adaption of the 'Kinstrife' in the Third Age, for which we literally have nothing in the way of prose accounts with dialogue or characterisation to work from as a starting off base. The Second Age material, rudumentary and incomplete though it is, has some truly gripping stuff in it.

We can thus envisage how an extended Second Age epic, akin in scale to LotR, would have been fashioned by Tolkien if he'd deigned to write it, on the basis of the limited prose accounts he actually did write - namely Aldarion and Erendis, in addition to the more generalised account in the Akallabeth.

And one thing is for sure: merry little Hobbitses don't fit the milieu, which is why they aren't there.......

Funnily enough, Tolkien himself addresses this on a number of occasions (#227, to Mrs E. C. Ossen Drijver 5 January 1961):


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The legends of Númenórë are in the background of The Lord of the Rings, though (of course) they were written first, and are only summarised in Appendix A...

I am now under contract engaged (among alas! other less congenial tasks) in putting into order for publication the mythology and stories of the First and Second Ages – written long ago, but judged hardly publishable, until (so it seems) the surprising success of The Lord of the Rings, which comes at the end, has provided a probable demand for the beginnings.

There are, I fear, no hobbits...little fun or earthiness but mostly grief and disaster. Those critics who scoffed at The Lord because 'all the good boys came home safe and everyone was happy ever after' (quite untrue) ought to be satisfied. They will not be, of course – even if they deign to notice the book!



I certainly don't discount the "grim" possibility (pun intended), as Uncle Iorlas has already alluded, that Amazon execs may see fit to use their creative oversight to pressure the writers room into shoehorning hobbits into the SA and adding in gratuitous Hobbitses and all manner of perky Hobbityness - because they think it would be make good commercial sense in light of the box office success of Hobbit-heavy Middle-earth.

Hobbitless Middle-earth is a brave new world and that might entail a degree of 'risk'.

But that would be a bit "having your cake and eating it", as Amazon could easily have pitched a show in 1050 of the Third Age, say, about daring Hobbit explorers fleeing Sauron's rise in Mirkwood by scaling the Misty Mountains and colonizing parts of Arthedain, where the King granted them land to found the Shire.

But, of course, that wouldn't have the same "epicness" as the Second Age - forging of the rings, fall of Númenor, last alliance of Elves and Men.

We know from "The Hobbit" how deadly executive committee decisions can be.

It is an open secret that the abysmal interspecies "Tauriel - Kili - Legolas" love triangle in the Hobbit movies was a studio decision, originally made over the head of the screenwriters and forcibly shoehorned in by New Line, because they thought Tolkien's 'saccharine-sweet' children's book, with the closest thing to romance in it being male bromance among the Dwarves in Bilbo's company, needed some burning romantic passion.

And this, unsurprisingly, was one of the most widely panned and detested dimensions of the trilogy - along with the decision to turn what had originally been two-movies into a three-film extravaganza, thus excessively padding out a slender book with layers upon layers of unnecessarily convoluted subplots.

The result was a bloated mess that likely strayed far from what Philippa Boyens and Fran Walsh would have wanted had the studio simply allowed their creative juices to flow more holistically. Game of Thrones it must be said, succumbed to the exact same dynamic.

Screenwriters and adaptors spend the most time embedded in the author's world, living with characters and settings and themes as they weave drama and build narratives in their scripts. Most of the worst decisions on film or TV emanate from execs removed from the creative process looking at profit charts.

So, I take your scepticism and recognise that it is well-founded.

But, we are tea-leaf reading at the moment. We have no idea what relationship Amazon has with its writers room and the Tolkien Estate. If Shippey is right, the Estate can exercise a veto and has insisted that the "shape of the Second Age" cannot be changed. Surely shoehorning in Hobbits explicitly against the vision of Tolkien and his tonal world-building in the Second Age would be an egregious case of this?

It is plausible to imagine that these 4 foot 12 inch folk are scale-doubles for Dwarves or Drúedain - after all, Gimli's scale double in the original LotR trilogy was four feet 9 inches (so far as I recall).


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uncle Iorlas
Lorien


Oct 11 2019, 12:57am

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Leaving aside the author's remarks outside text, is Gandalf's assertion that hobbits had hitherto escaped Sauron's attention. This, I found, defines where you can place them in any pre-trilogy context, because he's all over. He was certainly at the royal court of Numenor.

I feel like stressing again that we still know virtually nothing for certain about this show. Very, very little.


Marmoon
The Shire


Oct 11 2019, 1:42am

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My first impression from reading these casting calls was that they want actors of disparate heights as stand-ins / body doubles for full shots, much in the way Peter Jackson used Kiran Shah and Paul Randall when a short or tall character, respectively, interacted with the principle cast of roughly average height. So it behooves Amazon to have a list of short-statured (4’ 6” - 4’ 11”, 137-150 cm) and very tall (6’ - 6’ 5”+, 183-196 cm) actors on hand when dealing with the wide range of Tolkien's fantasy character heights.

Note how the call for taller actors fits the average Númenórean height (6’ 4”, 193 cm); of course some were taller, and not just Elendil who was exceptionally so. If Númenóreans and Elves will be a strong focus for the show, which I think most of us assume by now, having mostly tall actors to play them would certainly simplify things when it comes to camera work - medium shots, full shots, close-ups, various angles - when interacting with the shorter people of Middle-earth. But a large group of tall actors is not necessary. The show’s principle cast can be fairly average in height so long as they portray same-height characters. Only when needing to contrast their heights with other races would the uncommonly short and tall actors be needed. That could range anywhere from infrequent (a few times per season if same-height Númenóreans occupy most shots) to very frequent (multiple times per episode if there is more height variety amongst the characters, à la Fellowship’s fellowship). If the latter, then casting tall actors for Númenóreans makes more sense.

I concede the possibility that Dwarves, Drúedain, and other diminutive peoples (alas, even Hobbits) could be featured at some point, thus the shorter actors could play a larger role. But my guess is the use of these shorter actors will be mostly for distinguishing the average-height and taller actors.


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Moahunter
Rohan


Oct 11 2019, 2:54am

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from ICAN based in the South Island. Note the last line in the call.
"Urgent - We are submitting for the upcoming Amazon Original series based on The Lord of the Rings and would love to hear from you.
We are looking for specific looks & people with good flexibility for availability in 2020
We need wonderful character faces- large features & broad cheek bones / anyone over 6'9" or under 4'11" / strong fit men / tall lean people / Mixed Ethnicities / tall & beautiful people / Musician eg Fiddlers / Mandolin / Oak Barrell and Strings / Accordion Players / Jugglers Locations in the South Island."


kzer_za
Lorien

Oct 11 2019, 1:21pm

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One of many tricks the Jackson movies used for hobbit and dwarf height was to have tall/short stand-ins for the actors. If they're going to emphasize Numenorean height, they will likely follow suit. They could quite possibly be scale doubles for mainland humans and elves to put against the Numenoreans.



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uncle Iorlas
Lorien


Oct 11 2019, 2:45pm

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I don't know what to say to this.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Oct 11 2019, 2:46pm

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One of many tricks the Jackson movies used for hobbit and dwarf height was to have tall/short stand-ins for the actors. If they're going to emphasize Numenorean height, they will likely follow suit. They could quite possibly be scale doubles for mainland humans and elves to put against the Numenoreans.


While the Númenóreans are meant to be tall, I don't think they would be tall enough to require the use of scale doubles for other Men. This may be more true for some of the High Elves (no pun intended).

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2ndBreffest
Lorien


Oct 11 2019, 3:21pm

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Tolkien never mentioned this in any of his writings, but since this series will inevitably be 90% fanfic, perhaps the writers have decided that Sauron, on his days off from evil doing, enjoyed judging local polka competitions.


Chen G.
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Oct 11 2019, 4:38pm

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Yeah, seems a bit anachronistic [In reply to] Can't Post

The Hobbiton music in the live-action films has accordion, in the score as well as diegetically (Flaming Red Hair), and - appropriately - there's a concertina in the Green Dragon set.

But The Shire is not only an environment we see in the late Third Age - thousands of years after the time of the show - but also is meant to evoke a much later period of history than any other place in Middle Earth.

Maybe the want some kind of framing device? Given the precedent established by the films, its not impossible.


(This post was edited by Chen G. on Oct 11 2019, 4:46pm)

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