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Aug 15, 11:39am

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To spend eternity never seeing your loved ones again... but also knowing these choices will eventually end with their death. So hard....


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Today in Middle-earth

August 15, 2951 (S.R. 1351)
1. Aragorn goes out into the Wild [20 yo].
(from the appendices)

..."...Elrond saw many things and read many hearts. One day, therefore, before the fall of the year he called Aragorn to his chamber, and he said: "Aragorn, Arathorn's son, Lord of the Dúnedain, listen to me! A great doom awaits you, either to rise above the height of all your fathers since the days of Elendil, or to fall into darkness with all that is left of your kin. Many years of trial lie before you. You shall neither have wife, nor bind any women to you in troth, until your time comes and you are found worthy of it....' ...Aragorn took leave lovingly of Elrond; and the next day he said farewell to his mother, and to the house of Elrond, and to Arwen, and he went out into the wild."

August 15, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
1. Treebeard releases Saruman and Gríma.
(not from the appendices)

..."'I let him go. There was little left of him when he crawled out, and as for that worm-creature of his, he was like a pale shadow. Now do not tell me… …that I promised to keep him safe; for I know it. But things have changed since then. And I kept him until he was... ...safe from doing any more harm. You should know that above all I hate the caging of live things, and I will not keep even such creatures as these caged beyond great need. A snake without fangs may crawl where he will.'
...'You may be right,' said Gandalf; 'but this snake had still one tooth left... ...the poison of his voice, and I guess that he persuaded you, even you Treebeard, knowing the soft spot in your heart. Well, he is gone, and there is no more to be said. But the Tower of Orthanc now goes back to the King… …Though maybe he will not need it.'
...'That will be seen later,' said Aragorn. 'But I will give to Ents all this valley to do with as they will, so long as they keep a watch upon Orthanc and see that none enter it without my leave.'
...'It is locked,' said Treebeard. 'I made Saruman lock it and give me the keys. Quickbeam has them.'
...Quickbeam bowed like a tree bending in the wind and handed to Aragorn two great black keys of intricate shape, joined by a ring of steel..."
...[Treebeard]"...Will you stay here and rest a while? And maybe there are some that would be pleased to pass through Fangorn Forest and so shorten their road home?' He looked at Celeborn and Galadriel.
... But all save Legolas said that they must now take their leave and depart either south or west. 'Come, Gimli!' said Legolas. 'Now by Fangorn's leave I will visit the deep places of the Entwood and see such trees as are nowhere else to be found in Middle-earth. You shall come with me and keep your word... ...we will journey on together to our own lands in Mirkwood and beyond.' To this Gimli agreed, though with no great delight, it seemed.
... 'Here then at last comes the ending of the Fellowship of the Ring,' said Aragorn.... [[NOTE: this is the only place in the book where they are actually called the Fellowship of the Ring]]
... Then Treebeard said farewell to each of them in turn, and he bowed three times slowly and with great reverence to Celeborn and Galadriel. 'It is long, long since we met by stock or by stone, A vanimar, vanimálion nostari!' he said. 'It is sad that we should meet only thus at the ending. For the world is changing: I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air. I do not think we shall meet again...'
... ...Celeborn said: 'I do not know, Eldest.' But Galadriel said: 'Not in Middle-earth, or until the lands that lie under the wave are lifted up again. Then in the willow-meads of Tasarinan we may meet in the Spring. Farewell..!'
... ...The travellers now rode with more speed, and they made their way towards the Gap of Rohan; and Aragorn took leave of them at last close to that very place where Pippin had looked into the Stone of Orthanc. The Hobbits were grieved at this parting; for Aragorn had never failed them and he had been their guide through many perils.
... 'I wish we could have a Stone that we could see all our friends in,' said Pippin...
... 'Only one now remains that you could use,' answered Aragorn... '...the Palantír of Orthanc the King will keep, to see what is passing in his realm, and what his servants are doing. For do not forget, Peregrin Took, that you are a knight of Gondor... ...I do not release you from your service... ...remember, dear friends of the Shire, that my realm lies also in the North, and I shall come there one day.'
... Then Aragorn took leave of Celeborn and Galadriel; and the Lady said to him: 'Elfstone, through darkness you have come to your hope, and have now all your desire. Use well the days..!'
... ...With that they parted, and it was then the time of sunset... ...they turned and looked back [and] they saw the King of the West sitting upon his horse with his knights about him; and the falling Sun shone upon them... ...the white mantle of Aragorn was turned to a flame. Then Aragorn took the green stone and held it up, and there came a green fire from his hand.""


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Aug 15, 1:28pm

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..."...Elrond saw many things and read many hearts. One day, therefore, before the fall of the year he called Aragorn to his chamber, and he said: "Aragorn, Arathorn's son, Lord of the Dúnedain, listen to me! A great doom awaits you, either to rise above the height of all your fathers since the days of Elendil, or to fall into darkness with all that is left of your kin. Many years of trial lie before you. You shall neither have wife, nor bind any women to you in troth, until your time comes and you are found worthy of it....' ...Aragorn took leave lovingly of Elrond; and the next day he said farewell to his mother, and to the house of Elrond, and to Arwen, and he went out into the wild."

If this had been put in the main part of LOTR, presumably somewhere between Bree and Rivendell, it would have been too heavy-handed. "Young man with great fate goes off on adventures."--been there, done that, pass me another book.

And it's little tidbits like this scattered around that help develop characters. I like Elrond a lot and can never quite say why. I think his kind-hearted insight into people is one reason.


grammaboodawg
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Aug 16, 11:59am

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Today in Middle-earth

August 16, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. The Company reaches the Enchanted River.
(from Karen Wynn Fonstad, The Atlas of Middle-earth)

..."...they found their path blocked by a running water. It flowed fast and strong but not very wide right across the way, and it was black, or looked it in the gloom. It was well that Beorn had warned them against it, or they would have drunk from it... ...and filled some of their emptied skins at its bank. As it was they only thought of how to cross it without wetting themselves in its water. There had been a bridge of wood across, but it had rotted and fallen leaving only the broken posts near the bank.
...Bilbo kneeling on the brink and peering forward cried: "There is a boat against the far bank! Now why couldn't it have been this side!"

..."...Fili picked up the hook when he had drawn it back, rather doubtfully all the same. This time he threw it with greater strength.
..."Steady!" said Bilbo, "you have thrown it right into the wood on the other side now. Draw it back gently." Fili hauled the rope back slowly, and after a while Bilbo said: "Carefully! It is lying on the boat; let's hope the hook will catch."
...It did. The rope went taut, and Fili pulled in vain. Kili came to his help, and then Óin and Glóin. They tugged and tugged, and suddenly they all fell over on their backs. Bilbo was on the lookout... ...caught the rope, and with a piece of stick fended off the little black boat as it came rushing across the stream. "Help!" he shouted, and Balin was just in time to seize the boat before it floated off down the current.
..."It was tied after all," said he… …"That was a good pull, my lads; and a good job that our rope was the stronger..."
......they were all soon on the far bank safe across the enchanted stream. Dwalin had just scrambled out with the coiled rope on his arm, and Bombur (still grumbling) was getting ready to follow, when something bad did happen. There was a flying sound of hooves on the path ahead. Out of the gloom came suddenly the shape of a flying deer. It charged into the dwarves and bowled them over… …High it sprang and cleared the water with a mighty jump. But it did not reach the other side in safety. Thorin was the only one who had kept his feet and his wits. As soon as they had landed he had bent his bow and fitted an arrow in case any hidden guardian of the boat appeared. Now he sent a swift and sure shot into the leaping beast. As it reached the further bank it stumbled. The shadows swallowed it up, but they heard the sound of hooves quickly falter and then go still.
...Before they could shout in praise of the shot... ...a dreadful wail from Bilbo put all thoughts of venison out of their minds. "Bombur has fallen in! Bombur is drowning!" he cried. It was only too true. Bombur had only one foot on the land when the hart bore down on him, and sprang over him. He had stumbled, thrusting the boat away from the bank, and then toppled back into the dark water….
......They could still see his hood above the water when they ran to the bank. Quickly they flung a rope with a hook towards him. His hand caught it, and they pulled him to the shore. He was drenched from hair to boots... ...When they laid him on the bank he was already fast asleep, with one hand clutching the rope so tight that they could not get it from his grasp; and fast asleep he remained in spite of all they could do."


[[The Enchanted Stream is never called a “river” in the text. Only on CJRT’s map is it labeled “Enchanted R.”...from Bracegirdle 8/10/14]]


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grammaboodawg
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Aug 16, 12:16pm

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I was really fascinated by this mysterious Ranger... so intense and so mysterious. How he got the hobbits slowly to trust him. There were so many layers to him until you finally learned who he was. To read this later in the Appendices was incredible. A wonderful reveal of an important character you still wouldn't know until you read the appendices.

I know what you mean about Elrond, too. He had so much wisdom and enforced the ways of the elves in how he ruled his realm, but he was very sensitive to the burdens of others as individuals and/or fateful obligation.


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Aug 16, 3:06pm

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I was really fascinated by this mysterious Ranger... so intense and so mysterious. How he got the hobbits slowly to trust him. There were so many layers to him until you finally learned who he was. To read this later in the Appendices was incredible. A wonderful reveal of an important character you still wouldn't know until you read the appendices.


We're 100% on the same page here. I didn't trust Strider myself on first read! Though the letter from Gandalf won me over, because I instinctively trusted him (and had read The Hobbit).

And actually, is any other LOTR character introduced with the same ambiguity and mystery as Strider? It's hard to think of any. Even Boromir's distrust of Lorien before they entered it made me think he was wrong, because Elves are always good, so I wasn't swayed by his opinion. Treebeard is mysterious and a little menacing at first, but befriends the hobbits within an hour or less, even putting them on his shoulders. Eomer seems a little rough at first, but still honorable and one of the good guys. Strider--I wasn't as suspicious of him as Sam, but I wasn't as trusting as Frodo.

Anyway, that's why I like finding out more about Strider later, for exactly the the reasons you give.


grammaboodawg
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Aug 16, 4:26pm

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That lovely April day.... "Good Morning." If you didn't know LotR, Gandalf was quite a character as he was slowly revealed, too. Into everyone's business and slowly showing how much he knew about the lands and various kindred and histories of so much while at times quite comical... all while quietly directing everyone in the direction/outcome he had in his sights all-along. Quite the manipulator to achieve safety and peace in Middle-earth. The Shepherd with a long staff.... tamed by pipe and smoke-rings ;)


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Aug 16, 4:58pm

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Gandalf is mysterious too and revealed by layers. And manipulative, but in a nice way. Smile


grammaboodawg
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Aug 17, 12:20pm

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Here's a Book Spoiler where Gandalf tells about what he was up to when he left Bilbo and the Dwarves… for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From The Last Stage: The Hobbit


... "…the elves… … led them across the water to the house of Elrond. There a warm welcome… …and there were many eager ears that evening to hear the tale of their adventures. Gandalf it was who spoke, for Bilbo was fallen quiet and drowsy. Most of the tale he knew, for he had been in it, and had himself told much of it to the wizard on their homeward way or in the house of Beorn… …every now and again he would open one eye, and listen, when a part of the story which he did not yet know came in.
... It was in this way that he learned where Gandalf had been to… …he overheard the words of the wizard to Elrond. It appeared that Gandalf had been to a great council of the white wizards, masters of lore and good magic; and that they had at last driven the Necromancer from his dark hold in the south of Mirkwood.
... "Ere long now," [said Gandalf], "The Forest will grow somewhat more wholesome. The North will be freed from that horror for many long years, I hope. Yet I wish he were banished from the world!"
... "It would be well indeed," said Elrond; "but I fear that will not come about in this age of the world, or for many afterward.""


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Aug 17, 12:43pm

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Once one has read LotR, re-reading this line sends a shiver up the spine.

I wonder if these lines were included in the original edition of The Hobbit, or added in later? Did you happen to acquire an original Hobbit, gramma?


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grammaboodawg
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Aug 18, 2:07pm

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Today in Middle-earth

August 18, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. On the Mirkwood Forest Trail (day 23).
(from Karen Wynn Fonstad, The Atlas of Middle-earth)

..."...they were burdened with the heavy body of Bombur, which they had to carry along with them as best they could, taking the wearisome task in turns of four each while the others shared their packs. If these had not become all too light in the last few days, they would never have managed it; but a slumbering and smiling Bombur was a poor exchange for packs filled with food however heavy… …time came when there was practically nothing left to eat or to drink. Nothing wholesome could they see growing in the woods, only funguses and herbs with pale leaves and unpleasant smell."

August 18, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
1. They come to Helms Deep.
(from the appendices)

..."Now the guests were ready, and they drank the stirrup-cup, and with great praise and friendship they departed (from Edoras), and came at length to Helm's Deep… …Then Legolas repaid his promise to Gimli and went with him to the Glittering Caves; and when they returned he was silent, and would say only that Gimli alone could find fit words to speak of them. 'And never before has a Dwarf claimed a victory over an Elf in a contest of words,' said he. 'Now therefore, let us to go Fangorn and set the score right!'"


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Aug 18, 2:27pm

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The lines is the same. *shares shiver* The sadness of the Elves was so long because they foresaw the end and then lived through it. *sigh* Makes you wonder... is it better not to know?


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Aug 18, 4:46pm

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on this jaunt, I would rather see the Glittering Caves. Visiting Fangorn would be enjoyable for the people there (Treebeard, Quickbeam), but it's not a pleasant place for those on two legs, nor does it want to be. (Maybe it acts differently for Elves.)



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..."Now the guests were ready, and they drank the stirrup-cup, and with great praise and friendship they departed (from Edoras), and came at length to Helm's Deep… …Then Legolas repaid his promise to Gimli and went with him to the Glittering Caves; and when they returned he was silent, and would say only that Gimli alone could find fit words to speak of them. 'And never before has a Dwarf claimed a victory over an Elf in a contest of words,' said he. 'Now therefore, let us to go Fangorn and set the score right!'"



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Aug 18, 8:38pm

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the darkest section in the entire text: that there is still an Evil roaming that world. And they do not know that its End - and the end of their part of this particular Story - will be soon coming.

Yeah, I think it's best to not know, so that one can keep going forward, doing what one must, not trying to second-guess oneself, because that could prove disastrous! Unsure


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grammaboodawg
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Aug 19, 11:33am

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Today in Middle-earth

August 19, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. Walk through open beech-woods much of the day.
(from Karen Wynn Fonstad, The Atlas of Middle-earth)

..."...they came to a part where most of the trees were beeches. They were at first inclined to be cheered by the change, for here there was no undergrowth and the shadow was not so deep. There was a greenish light about them, and in places they could see some distance to either side of the path. Yet the light only showed them endless lines of straight grey trunks like the pillars of some huge twilight hall. There was a breath of air and a noise of wind, but it had a sad sound…. …Their feet ruffled among the dead leaves of countless other autumns that drifted over the banks of the path from the deep red carpets of the forest.
...Still Bombur slept and they grew very weary. At times they heard disquieting laughter. Sometimes there was singing in the distance too. The laughter was the laughter of voices not of goblins, and the singing was beautiful, but it sounded eerie and strange, and they were not comforted, rather they hurried on from those parts with what strength they had left."


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CuriousG
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Aug 19, 2:22pm

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Comparing "happy" endings [In reply to] Can't Post

Your comment made me think of how at the end of LOTR (Grey Havens end), the good guys *have* banished evil from the world, but there's not the happy ending Bilbo had at the end of The Hobbit (after legally proving he was alive again): a rich, eccentric, but happy bachelor. LOTR has Frodo war-wounded and the Elves leaving Middle-earth without showing any excitement for the West in a Pyrrhic victory.

Or some of them. Focusing on Aragorn, Sam, Merry & Pippin, there's a sense of happily ever after. And Bill the Pony too.


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Aug 19, 11:05pm

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Thank you! I especially enjoy the excerpts from The Sil and The Hobbit. [In reply to] Can't Post

I have had the most difficulty with reading The Sil, its like reading Old English or something. I am finally getting used to it, and am actually enjoying it.

Please, call me Ve.


grammaboodawg
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Aug 20, 12:42pm

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Today in Middle-earth

August 20, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. The Company eats the last of their food at supper, and Bilbo climbs a tree.
(from Karen Wynn Fonstad, The Atlas of Middle-earth)

...""Is there no end to this accursed forest?" said Thorin. "Somebody must climb a tree and see if he can get his head above the roof and have a look around. The only way is to choose the tallest tree that overhangs the path."
...Of course, "somebody" meant Bilbo. They chose him because... ...the climber must get his head above the topmost leaves, and so he must be light enough for the highest and slenderest branches to bear him. Poor Mr. Baggins had never had much practice in climbing trees, but they hoisted him up into the lowest branches of an enormous oak... ...and up he had to go as best he could. He pushed his way through the tangled twigs with many a slap in the eye… …more than once he slipped and caught himself just in time; and at last, after a dreadful struggle in a difficult place where there seemed to be no convenient branches at all, he got near the top. All the time he was wondering whether there were spiders in the tree, and how he was going to get down again (except by falling).
...In the end he poked his head above the roof of leaves... ...Bilbo's eyes were nearly blinded by the light. He could hear the dwarves shouting up at him from far below, but he could not answer, only hold on and blink. The sun was shining brilliantly, and it was a long while before he could bear it … …he saw all round him a sea of dark green, ruffled here and there by the breeze; and there were everywhere hundreds of butterflies. I expect they were a kind of 'purple emperor,' a butterfly that loves the tops of oak-woods, but these were not purple at all, they were a dark dark velvety black without any markings to be seen.
...He looked at the 'black emperors' for a long time, and enjoyed the feel of the breeze in his hair and on his face; but at length the cries of the dwarves, who were now simply stamping with impatience down below, reminded him of his real business. It was no good... ...he could see no end to the trees and the leaves in any direction. His heart, that had been lightened by the sight of the sun and the feel of the wind, sank back into his toes: there was no food to go back to down below.
...Actually... ...they were not far off the edge of the forest; and if Bilbo had had the sense to see it, the tree that he had climbed... ...was standing near the bottom of a wide valley, so that from its top the trees seemed to swell up all round like the edges of a great bowl, and he could not expect to see how far the forest lasted. Still he did not see this, and he climbed down full of despair…. …His report soon made the others as miserable as he was.
..."The forest goes on for ever and ever and ever in all directions…!"
...…That night they ate their very last scraps and crumbs of food...”


August 20, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
1. They set out from Helm's Deep for Isengard
(not from the appendices-no text)

"From Deeping Comb they rode to Isengard."
It was a two-day journey at a leisurely pace, and the grand party of travellers enjoyed the peaceful journey. There would never again be such a company; Wizard, Elven Lords and Lady, Dwarf, Hobbits and Man riding together in Fellowship through the lands of Middle-earth.


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Aug 20, 12:46pm

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I struggle with the Sil, too... but breaking it down into these snippets helps ;) Well done on diving in!


Thank you!


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Aug 20, 1:47pm

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That Frodo couldn't rest at home and enjoy the Shire; but thank goodness for the gift of the Elves... although they lost, too. It's the story of war. Sacrifice and loss. Even those who come home are seldom unchanged. I like to think of Merry and Pippin who seemed to be the least affected; but they do choose Gondor with Elessar as their final resting place. Even Sam eventually makes a choice.


I agree, though. That Aragorn, Sam, Merry & Pippin do have a happy ending and live full lives in their homelands makes me so happy :)


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Aug 20, 7:41pm

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You're not alone!

But there's payoff in three ways:
1. Some of the stories are really good, such as Beren and Luthien and the battles.
2. Some of the writing is Tolkien at his most lyrical and memorable.
3. It fills in a lot of hints and mysterious references from LOTR (and even The Hobbit), so you get questions answered, along with a better understanding of Middle-earth and its author's view on people and the world.

The character names are overwhelming, the names for places are overwhelming, and unlike LOTR and Hobbit, there's not a central character or ensemble to help follow the narrative all the way through.

YMMV, but I think it helps to read it a chapter or two at a time, whereas the other books are more page-turners. Anyway, enough advice from this Gaffer. Glad you're enjoying it!


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Aug 20, 7:48pm

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Frodo was miserable in the Shire after the war, and there's a strong sense of defeat in his going West. But once he got there, he lived happily ever after and was a prized guest among Elves, the way Bilbo was in his retirement in Rivendell. And think of him meeting the Valar!!! So, that's compensation for me.

One thing I can appreciate about the effects of the war is Tolkien taking a mature, honest perspective: not everyone was a happy hero, and not everyone was shell-shocked either. Different people had different experiences and different reactions to the war, rather than there being one simple message to take away from it all. So I agree, sacrifice and loss hang heavily over the end of the book, but there are glimpses of happiness too.


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Today in Middle-earth

August 21, 2941 (S.R. 1341)
1. Bombur awakes in morning and the Company leaves the path when they see the Elves' fire.
(from Karen Wynn Fonstad, The Atlas of Middle-earth)

..."…when they woke the first thing they noticed was that they were still gnawingly hungry, and the next thing was that it was raining and that here and there the drip of it was dropping heavily on the forest floor. That only reminded them that they were also parchingly thirsty… …The only scrap of comfort there was, came unexpectedly from Bombur.
...He woke up suddenly and sat up scratching his head. He could not make out where he was at all, nor why he felt so hungry; for he had forgotten everything that had happened since they started their journey that May morning long ago... ...There was nothing now to be done but to tighten the belts round their empty stomachs, and hoist their empty sacks and packs, and trudge along the track without any great hope of ever getting to the end before they lay down and died of starvation....

......Balin, who was a little way ahead, called out: "What was that? I thought I saw a twinkle of light in the forest..."
......they saw a red twinkle in the dark; then another and another sprang out beside it. Even Bombur got up, and they hurried along then, not caring if it was trolls or goblins… …when at last they had drawn level with it, it seemed plain that torches and fires were burning under the trees, but a good way off their track.
..."It looks as if my dreams were coming true," gasped Bombur puffing up behind. He wanted to rush straight off into the wood after the lights. But the others remembered only too well the warnings of the wizard and of Beorn.
..."A feast would be no good, if we never got back alive from it," said Thorin.
..."But without a feast we shan't remain alive much longer anyway," said Bombur… …They argued about it backwards and forwards for a long while, until they agreed at length to send out a couple of spies, to creep near the lights and find out more about them. But then they could not agree on who was to be sent… …In the end, in spite of warnings, hunger decided them, because Bombur kept on describing all the good things that were being eaten, according to his dream, in the woodland feast; so they all left the path and plunged into the forest together.
...After a good deal of creeping and crawling they peered round the trunks and looked into a clearing where some trees had been felled and the ground levelled. There were many people there, elvish-looking folk… …sitting on sawn rings of the felled trees in a great circle. There was a fire in their midst and there were torches fastened to some of the trees round about; but the most splendid sight of all: they were eating and drinking and laughing merrily.
...The smell of the roast meats was so enchanting that… …every one of them got up and scrambled forwards into the ring with the one idea of begging for some food. No sooner had the first stepped into the clearing than all the lights went out as if by magic. Somebody kicked the fire and it went up in rockets of glittering sparks and vanished. They were lost in a completely lightless dark and they could not even find one another, not for a long time at any rate. After blundering frantically in the gloom… …and shouting and calling till they must have waked everything in the forest for miles, at last they managed to gather themselves in a bundle and count themselves by touch. By that time they had, of course, quite forgotten in what direction the path lay, and they were all hopelessly lost...

......But that was not the last of the lights in the forest. Later when the night must have been getting old, Kili who was watching then, came and roused them all again, saying:
..."There's a regular blaze of light begun not far away—hundreds of torches and many fires must have been lit suddenly and by magic. And hark to the singing and the harps!"
...After lying and listening for a while, they found that could not resist the desire to go nearer and try once more to get help... ...and out stepped Thorin into their midst.
...Dead silence fell in the middle of a word. Out went all the light. The fires leaped up in black smokes. Ashes and cinders were in the eyes of the dwarves, and the wood was filled again with their clamour and their cries.
...Bilbo found himself running round and round (as he thought) and calling and calling... ...the cries of the others got steadily further and fainter, and though after a while it seemed to him they changed to yells and cries for help in the far distance, all noise at last died right away, and he was left alone in complete silence and darkness...
......So he sat himself down with his back to a tree, and not for the last time fell to thinking of his far-distant hobbit-hole with its beautiful pantries."


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Frodo was miserable in the Shire after the war, and there's a strong sense of defeat in his going West. But once he got there, he lived happily ever after and was a prized guest among Elves, the way Bilbo was in his retirement in Rivendell. And think of him meeting the Valar!!! So, that's compensation for me.


...'Miserable' is an overstatement, I think. It is certain that Frodo could never be fully healed in the Shire--he had suffered too much and his scars (both physical and spiritual) would always remind him of his hardships and ultimate failure. But there had to be moments of satisfaction and even joy as well.

"Change is inevitable. Growth is optional." - DRWolf (after John C. Maxwell)

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