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"Help us, Obi-Wan, you're our only hope" vs LOTR/TH
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Otaku-sempai
Avenger


Jun 8 2019, 8:17pm

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Is Gandalf really the Doctor? [In reply to] Can't Post


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"RUN!" Gandalf gives this advice at least 6 to 8 times to Men, Dwarves & Hobbits.

Are we sure he's from Valinor and not Gallifrey?

"I reject your reality and substitute my own." - Adam Savage

(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Jun 8 2019, 8:18pm)


Lio
Fantastic Four


Jun 9 2019, 2:23am

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Legolas, what do you elf eyes see? [In reply to] Can't Post

They're taking the Hobbits to Isengard!

Doot doo doot doot doo doo doo doo

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Orcs are mammals!

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Omnigeek
Fantastic Four


Jun 16 2019, 10:39pm

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Never good [In reply to] Can't Post


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TAURIEL: Why does it hurt so much?

THRANDUIL: Because it was real.

Pure cheese! Evil


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That line falls into the "so bad, its good" category.


No. It doesn’t. It was just bad.


Paulo Gabriel
Fantastic Four

Jun 16 2019, 11:02pm

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Omnigeek... [In reply to] Can't Post

good to see you around again! For all intents and purposes, some of the members from the past here (and that includes you!) were pretty much dead. Laugh


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2ndBreffest
Fantastic Four


Jun 20 2019, 11:25pm

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well, yes... [In reply to] Can't Post

you are right, it really is a horrible line. But you have to admit, it really serves as a perfect ending to a completely terrible subplot.


VeArkenstone
Fantastic Four

Jun 21 2019, 7:54pm

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I think he is doctor of sorts, more in the Elvish tradition I think. [In reply to] Can't Post

"Run" is probably the best advice he can give much of the time. Fortunately, it seems to work, especially in desperate circumstances.

I don't know where Gallifrey is Middle Earth-wise. We have one here in Ohio, a very small, mostly Amish community.

Please, call me Ve.


Otaku-sempai
Avenger


Jun 22 2019, 12:27pm

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Gandalf a Time Lord? [In reply to] Can't Post

Well, the Gallifrey that I was referring to is another (fictitious) planet.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own." - Adam Savage


noWizardme
Asgardian


Jun 22 2019, 3:31pm

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Biggest sonic screwdriver of the lot, disguised as a staff. // ;) [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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CuriousG
Asgardian


Jun 22 2019, 4:45pm

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And the staff/screwdriver was a precursor to the light saber, bringing us back to Obi-wan. [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm still waiting for him to help me. He's my only hope.


VeArkenstone
Fantastic Four

Jun 23 2019, 7:13pm

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A Time Lord on Gallifrey? [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Please, call me Ve.


Otaku-sempai
Avenger


Jun 24 2019, 12:32am

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Are you having a laugh, Ve? [In reply to] Can't Post

Or are you unfamiliar with Doctor Who? I just can't tell. In any case, yes, Gallifrey is the name of the home world of the Time Lords.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own." - Adam Savage

(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Jun 24 2019, 12:39am)


VeArkenstone
Fantastic Four

Jun 28 2019, 6:29pm

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My apologies. Did not understand what you were asking. [In reply to] Can't Post

   
He may be a time warrior as related to the Dr. Who series, but am not sure since I have not watched the series.

I think he is a warrior as related to the Tolkien's works, time warrior I don't kno tho. (o.k., let me talk myself through this) I may be rusty on some of this, but wasn't he a Maia in Valinor, where there probably is no time as we know it, studied with Nienna who taught him compassion for others pain and hung out with Galadrial before being sent on his mission to Arda? Then he spent about 8,000 years on Arda fighting the darkness. This would make him a time warrior, I think.

A question please: Do you think Gandalf had conscious memory of his time as a Maia, or is it like us, once we are born into these bodies, the past becomes hazy and almost impossible to remember. I think he had at least some unconscious memory of his studies with Nienna because of his compassion for others. And maybe unconscious memory of having known Galadrial.

I think Galadrial has conscious memory of having been in Valinor, but maybe not all elfs do?
This all may be answered already in the books, but have not come across it yet or need a refresher course. Thanks.

Please, call me Ve.


(This post was edited by VeArkenstone on Jun 28 2019, 6:40pm)


Otaku-sempai
Avenger


Jun 28 2019, 8:23pm

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I was just having a little fun. [In reply to] Can't Post

Obviously Gandalf wouldn't really have been a Time Lord (at least, not in the way that I meant). As fun as it would be to see the Doctor visit Middle-earth, the two franchises would never in a million years officially cross over. It would be more likely to see Radagast the Brown revealed to be later known as the wizard Merlin.

I think that there must be some sense of the passage of time in the Undying Lands, though it might flow differently than it does in the natural world. Gandalf, as Olórin, might have previously come to Middle-earth as part of the forces of Valinor in the War of Wrath, if not earlier. However, as one of the Istari, he arrived around the year 1000 of the Third Age; he had been in Middle-earth for about 2,019 years when he was dragged from the Bridge of Khazad-dûm--not even close to 8,000 years.

Yes, Gandalf would have had memories of dwelling in Valinor, but those memories would have been dimmed by his mortal shell, just has his powers were more limited in Middle-earth. He might have remembered his time in Valinor as though it was a dream. Galadriel might well have first known him as Olórin.

I would say that any of the Eldar who had actually lived in Valinor would remember it well. Keep in mind that the Elves originally came from the East of Middle-earth and not all of them had ever been to the Undying Lands.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own." - Adam Savage

(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Jun 28 2019, 8:24pm)


VeArkenstone
Fantastic Four

Jul 12 2019, 5:12pm

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Time Flows. The Line of Durin. [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks! This helps me understand the nature of the Eldar and the Istari and Valinar, and the possible different flows of time in Middle Earth. You have me wondering about this time thing. Not sure where I came up with Gandalf's Ardan age of 8,000, happy to know his true age.

If I may please ask one more question, I would appreciate it: I have been reading Dwarf history in the Appendices. I think I have read that the Line of Durin never failed in one book, and in a different book that the Line of Durin was broken. In the Appendices Dwarf Family Tree, it does show that Dain II Ironfoot became King after the BoFA. Would he count as a direct descendant of Durin since he was Thorin, Frerin and Dis' 1st cousin? It seems to me that Dain II Ironfoot would count as a direct descendant of Durin. Was the Line of Durin broken possibly when Dain II Ironfoot became King, or with the death of Durin VII (The Last One)? Would the Dwarves have had Kings of the Royal Line going into the 4th Age?

Thank you so much.

Please, call me Ve.


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Otaku-sempai
Avenger


Jul 13 2019, 1:29pm

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If I may please ask one more question, I would appreciate it: I have been reading Dwarf history in the Appendices. I think I have read that the Line of Durin never failed in one book, and in a different book that the Line of Durin was broken. In the Appendices Dwarf Family Tree, it does show that Dain II Ironfoot became King after the BoFA. Would he count as a direct descendant of Durin since he was Thorin, Frerin and Dis' 1st cousin? It seems to me that Dain II Ironfoot would count as a direct descendant of Durin. Was the Line of Durin broken possibly when Dain II Ironfoot became King, or with the death of Durin VII (The Last One)? Would the Dwarves have had Kings of the Royal Line going into the 4th Age?

Thank you so much.


Well, the line descending from the eldest sons was broken with the death of Thorin Oakenshield. However, Thorin was succeeded by his cousin Dáin Ironfoot, so the Line of Durin was maintained though Dáin II all the way though Durin VII in the Fourth Age.

"Change is inevitable. Growth is optional." - DRWolf (after John C. Maxwell)


VeArkenstone
Fantastic Four

Jul 25 2019, 7:40pm

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