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grammaboodawg
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Feb 3, 3:30pm

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This is a Book Spoiler that describes the most famous establishment in Bree: The Prancing Pony... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From At the Sign of the Prancing Pony: The Fellowship of the Ring

... "The hobbits rode on up a slope, passing a few detached houses, and drew up outside the inn.... ...Sam stared up at the inn with its three storeys and many windows... ...Even from the outside the inn looked a pleasant house to familiar eyes. It had a front on the Road, and two wings running back on land partly cut out of the lower slopes of the hill, so that at the rear the second-floor windows were level with the ground. There was a wide arch leading to a courtyard between the two wings... ...on the left under the arch there was a large doorway reached by a few broad steps. The door was open... ...light streamed out of it. Above the arch there was a lamp... ...beneath it swung a large signboard: a fat white pony reared up on its hind legs. Over the door was painted in white letters: THE PRANCING PONY by BARLIMAN BUTTERBUR. Many of the lower windows showed lights behind thick curtains....
... ...They led their ponies under the arch, and leaving them standing in the yard they climbed up the steps...
... '[Butterbur]...we've got a room or two in the north wing that were made special for hobbits, when this place was built. On the ground floor as they usually prefer; round windows and all as they like it.... ...This way now!'
... He led them a short way down a passage, and opened a door. 'Here is a nice little parlour!'
... ...They found themselves in a small and cosy room. There was a bit of bright fire burning on the hearth, and in front of it were some low and comfortable chairs. There was a round table, already spread with a white cloth, and on it was a large hand-bell...
... ...The company was in the big common-room of the inn... ...[Light] came chiefly from a blazing log-fire, for the three lamps hanging from the beams were dim, and half veiled in smoke."




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Feb 4, 11:24am

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Here's a Book Spoiler about the description of Derndingle... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From Treebeard: The Two Towers

..."'Where is Entmoot?' Pippin ventured to ask.
... 'Hoo, eh? Entmoot?' said Treebeard, turning round. 'It is not a place, it is a gathering of Ents… …We shall meet in the place where we have always met: Derndingle Men call it. It is away south from here. We must be there before noon...'

... …Treebeard turned a little away from the hills and plunged into the deep groves, where the trees were larger, taller, and thicker than any that the hobbits had ever seen before. For a while they felt faintly the sense of stifling which they had noticed when they first ventured into Fangorn, but it soon passed…

... …They had been going for a long while--Pippin had tried to keep count of the 'ent-strides' but had failed, getting lost at about three thousand… …they came at last to what looked like an impenetrable wall of dark evergreen trees, trees of a kind that the hobbits had never seen before: they branched out right from the roots, and were densely clad in dark glossy leaves like thornless holly, and they bore many stiff upright flower-spikes with large shining olive-coloured buds.
... Turning to the left and skirting this huge hedge Treebeard came in a few strides to a narrow entrance. Through it a worn path passed and dived suddenly down a long steep slope. The hobbits saw that they were descended into a great dingle, almost as round as a bowl, very wide and deep, crowned at the rim with the high dark evergreen hedge. It was smooth and grassclad inside, and there were no trees except three very tall and beautiful silver-birches that stood at the bottom of the bowl. Two other paths led down into the dingle: from the west and from the east… …onto the wide grassy floor of the dingle…."




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CuriousG
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Feb 4, 2:48pm

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grammaboodawg
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Feb 5, 1:58am

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Feb 5, 2:21am

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grammaboodawg
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Feb 5, 11:38am

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Feb 5, 11:42am

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Let's look at some descriptions of places in Middle-earth. Here's a look at Isengard... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From The Road to Isengard: The Two Towers


... "...the highway... ...was broad and hard, and well-tended... ...the long arm of the mountains rising on their left. They had passed into Nan Curunír, the Wizard's Vale. That was a sheltered valley open only to the South. Once it had been fair and green, and through it the Isen flowed, already deep and strong before it found the plains...

... ...After they had ridden for some miles, the highway became a wide street, paved with great flat stones, squared and laid with skill; no blade of grass was seen in any joint. Deep gutters, filled with trickling water, ran down on either side...

... ...Beneath the mountain's arm within the Wizard's Vale through years uncounted had stood that ancient place that Men called Isengard. Partly it was shaped in the making of the mountains, but mighty works the Men of Westernesse had wrought there of old; and Saruman had dwelt there long and had not been idle...
... ...A great ring-wall of stone, like towering cliffs, stood out from the shelter of the mountain-side, from which it ran and then returned again. One entrance only was there made in it, a great arch delved in the southern wall. Here through the black rock a long tunnel had been hewn, close at either end with might doors of iron. They were so wrought and poised upon their huge hinges, posts of steel driven into the living stone, that when unbarred they could be moved with a light thrust of the arms, noiselessly. One who passed in and came at length out of the echoing tunnel, beheld a plain, a great circle, somewhat hollowed like a vast shallow bowl: a mile it measured from rim to rim. Once it had been green and filled with avenues, and groves of fruitful trees, watered by streams that flowed from the mountains to a lake...
... ...To the centre all the roads... ...There stood a tower of marvellous shape. It was fashioned by the builders of old, who smoothed the Ring of Isengard, and yet it seemed a thing not made by the craft of Men, but riven from the bones of the earth in the ancient torment of the hills. A peak and isle of rock it was, black and gleaming hard: four mighty piers of many-sided stone were welded into one, but near the summit they opened into gaping horns, their pinnacles sharp as the points of spears, keen-edged as knives. Between them was a narrow space, and there upon a floor of polished stone, written with strange signs, a man might stand five hundred feet above the plain. This was Orthanc... ...the name of which had (by design or chance) a twofold meaning; for in the Elvish speech orthanc signifies Mount Fang, but in the language of the Mark of old the Cunning Mind.
... A strong place and wonderful was Isengard, and long it had been beautiful; and there great lords had dwelt, the wardens of Gondor upon the West, and wise men that watched the stars."




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Feb 5, 1:35pm

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CuriousG
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Feb 5, 4:46pm

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grammaboodawg
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Feb 5, 10:23pm

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Feb 6, 2:55pm

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Here is the first of two Book Spoilers that look at the description of Tom Bombadil's house... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From In the House of Tom Bombadil: The Fellowship of the Ring


...[As the Hobbits followed Bombadil from the River in the Old Forest] "It became difficult to follow the path, and they were very tired... ...Strange furtive noises ran among the bushes and reeds on either side of them; and if they looked up to the pale sky, they caught sight of queer gnarled and knobbly faces that gloomed dark against the twilight, and leered down at them from the high bank and the edges of the wood. They began to feel that all this country was unreal, and that they were stumbling through an ominous dream that led to no awakening.
... Just as they felt their feet slowing down to a standstill, they noticed that the ground was gently rising. The water began to murmur... ...the river flowed over a short fall. Then suddenly the trees came to an end and the mists were left behind. They stepped out from the Forest, and found a wide sweep of grass welling up before them. The river, now small and swift, was leaping merrily down to meet them...
... ...The grass under their feet was smooth and short, as if it had been mown or shaven. The eaves of the Forest behind were clipped, and trim as a hedge. The path was now plain before them, well-tended and bordered with stone. It wound up on to the top of a grassy knoll... ...and there, still high above them on a further slope, they saw the twinkling lights of a house. Down again the path went, and then up again, up a long smooth hillside of turf, towards the light. Suddenly a wide yellow beam flowed out brightly from a door that was opened. There was Tom Bombadil's house before them, up, down, under hill. Behind it a steep shoulder of the land lay grey and bare, and beyond that the dark shapes of the Barrow-downs stalked away into the eastern night..."




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grammaboodawg
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Feb 7, 1:43pm

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There was more to share about old Tom and Goldberry's home, so I'm going to stretch this into 3 posts! Here is the second of those three Book Spoilers that look at the description of Tom Bombadil's house... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From In the House of Tom Bombadil: The Fellowship of the Ring


..."The four hobbits stepped over the wide stone threshold, and stood still, blinking. They were in a long low room, filled with the light of lamps swinging from the beams of the roof; and on the table of dark polished wood stood many candles, tall and yellow, burning brightly...
......The hobbits sat down gladly in low rush-seated chairs, while Goldberry busied herself about the table...

......Tom clapped his hands and cried: 'Tom, Tom! your guests are tired... ...Come now, my merry friends, and Tom will refresh you..." ... He opened the door, and they followed him down a short passage and round a sharp turn. They came to a low room with a sloping roof (a penthouse... ...built on to the north end of the house). Its walls were of clean stone, but they were mostly covered with green hanging mats and yellow curtains. The floor was flagged... ...strewn with fresh green rushes. There were four deep mattresses, each piled with white blankets, laid on the floor along one side. Against the opposite wall was a long bench laden with wide earthenware basins... ...beside it stood brown ewers filled with water, some cold, some steaming hot. There were soft green slippers set ready beside each bed...

......The guests were commanded to sit quiet, and were set in chairs, each with a footstool to his tired feet. There was a fire in the wide hearth before them... ...When everything was set in order, all the lights in the room were put out, except one lamp and a pair of candles at each end of the chimney-shelf...

......[Later, Tom] took down the lamp and blew it out, and grasping a candle in either hand he led them out of the room.
... Their mattresses and pillows were soft as down, and the blankets were of white wool. They had hardly laid themselves on the deep beds and drawn the light covers over them before they were asleep."




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CuriousG
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Feb 7, 2:01pm

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There is a fairy-tale aura around Tom, Goldberry, and the house that makes me ask [In reply to] Can't Post

if he had 2 guests or 21 guests, would they have found 2 or 21 beds waiting for them?


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grammaboodawg
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Feb 7, 2:37pm

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I'm a believer that Tom can appear in many forms and his home conforms to that... and that Goldberry moves through whatever is there. I think he came along to help the hobbits in their transition from their world in the Shire to the outside... to school them on the ways of the world while the rain kept them there as long as they needed to learn from him and be more armed for what they would face.
I think you've got it, and that his home would revert to whatever the situation demanded. I've wondered what it's like when Gandalf is there. Tom also knows Farmer Maggot... what are those meetings like?
Uh-oh... you've got my imagination running across the field again!




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CuriousG
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Feb 7, 4:09pm

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I think there's something shape-shifty about Bombadil, and the version Gandalf sees is very different from what hobbits see. Sort of like how Frodo saw Glorfindel revealed as a shining light when his own friends had grown dim--people in ME can exist in multiple dimensions at once, and without it going science-fictiony.


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Feb 7, 5:10pm

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is why, if their guests are Hobbits, they have slippers set out for them!


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Feb 7, 5:20pm

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CuriousG
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Feb 7, 9:08pm

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grammaboodawg
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Feb 7, 11:21pm

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well... why didn't Tom vanish when he put on the Ring? [In reply to] Can't Post

You just never know ;)
I noticed that, too... and I wondered more if any of the hobbits put them on? I think Tom likes to push buttons and expand thinking' so he probably got a good laugh out of his own little prank.
I think Pippin, fersher, would give them a try. Then probably the others... with Sam the most halting about it. Then... if so... did they keep wearing them?


It's probably something as simple as the room being set up for whomever (or whatever) may show up.




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CuriousG
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Feb 8, 1:02am

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grammaboodawg
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Feb 8, 11:53am

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Here is the third of three Book Spoilers that look at the description of Tom Bombadil's house... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From In the House of Tom Bombadil: The Fellowship of the Ring


..."They woke up, all four at once, in the morning light. Tom was moving about the room whistling like a starling. When he heard them stir he clapped his hands, and cried: 'Hey! Come merry dol! derry dol! My hearties!' He drew back the yellow curtains, and the hobbits saw that these had covered the windows, at either end of the room, one looking east and the other looking west...

... ...Frodo ran to the eastern window, and found himself looking into a kitchen-garden grey with dew. He had half expected to see turf right up to the walls... ...Actually his view was screened by a tall line of beams on poles; but above and far beyond them the grey top of the hill loomed up against the sunrise...
... ...Pippin looked out of the western window, down into a pool of mist. The Forest was hidden under a fog... ...There was a fold or channel where the mist was broken into many plumes and billows... ...the valley of the Withywindle. The stream ran down the hill on the left and vanished into the white shadows. Near at hand was a flower-garden and a clipped hedge silver-netted, and beyond that grey shaven grass...

... ...Tom could be heard about the house, clattering in the kitchen, and up and down the stairs, and singing here and there outside... ...The room looked westward over the mist-clouded valley, and the window was open. Water dripped down from the thatched eaves above...
... ...the house of Tom Bombadil nestled under the very shoulder of the dreaded [Barrow-downs] hills...

... ...After breakfast, which they again ate alone, they made ready to say farewell, as nearly heavy of heart as was possible on such a morning...
... ...They rode off along a path that wound away from behind the house, and went slanting up towards the north end of the hill-brow under which it sheltered."




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CuriousG
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Feb 8, 3:02pm

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There's something about Bombadil that reminds me of the Ent, Quickbeam [In reply to] Can't Post

Particularly how Quickbeam will laugh at anything. It seems to be the same "I'm close to Nature, and I laugh out of constant happiness" kind of zen:


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All that day they walked about, in the woods with him, singing, and laughing; for Quickbeam often laughed. He laughed if the sun came out from behind a cloud, he laughed if they came upon a stream or spring: then he stooped and splashed his feet and head with water; he laughed sometimes at some sound or whisper in the trees.


It seems child-like to laugh if the sun comes out from behind a cloud, but there is nothing child-like about either person as a whole. Anyway, just an observation. Thanks for the BSpoilers!


grammaboodawg
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Feb 9, 12:22pm

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During a visit in the House of Bombadil, we're off to stories of the Barrow-downs. Here's the first of two Book Spoilers that look at the description of the Barrow Downs... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From In the House of Tom Bombadil: The Fellowship of the Ring


..."[The Hobbits] heard of the Great Barrows, and the green mounds, and the stone-rings upon the hills and in the hollows among the hills... ...There were fortresses on the heights. Kings of little kingdoms fought together, and the young Sun shone like fire on the red metal of their new and greedy swords. There was victory and defeat... ...towers fells, fortresses were burned, and flames went up into the sky. Gold was piled on the biers of dead kings and queens; and mounds covered them, and the stone doors were shut... ...grass grew over all.... ...soon the hills were empty again. A shadow came out of dark places far away, and the bones were stirred in the mounds. Barrow-wights walked in the hollow places with a clink of rings on cold fingers, and gold chains in the wind. Stone rings grinned out of the ground like broken teeth in the moonlight.
... The hobbits shuddered. Even in the Shire the rumour of the Barrow-wights of the Barrow-downs beyond the Forest had been heard. But it was not a tale that any hobbit liked to listen to, even by a comfortable fireside... ...These four now suddenly remembered what the joy of this house had driven from their minds: the house of Tom Bombadil nestled under the very shoulder of those dreaded hills. They lost the thread of his tale and shifted uneasily, looking aside at one another."




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Feb 9, 12:32pm

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when it comes to enjoying the joie de leavre ;)




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Feb 10, 2:20pm

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Here's the second of two Book Spoilers that look at the description of the Barrow Downs... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From Fog On the Barrow-Down: The Fellowship of the Ring


..."'Goldberry!' [Frodo] cried. 'My fair lady, clad all in silver green! We have never said farewell to her, nor seen her since the evening!' He was so distressed that he turned back; but at that moment a clear call came rippling down. There on the hill-brow she stood beckoning to them....
......They hastened up the last slope, and stood breathless beside her. They bowed, but with a wave of her arm she bade them look round; and they looked out from the hilltop over lands under the morning. It was now as clear and far-seen as it had been veiled and misty when they stood upon the knoll in the forest... ...seen rising pale and green out of the dark trees in the West. In that direction the land rose in wooded ridges, green, yellow, russet under the sun, beyond which lay hidden the valley of the Brandywine. To the South, over the line of the Withywindle... ...a distant glint like pale glass where the Brandywine River made a great loop in the low-lands and flowed away.... ...Northward beyond the dwindling downs the land ran away in flats and swellings of grey and green and pale earth-colours, until it faded into a featureless and shadowy distance. Eastward the Barrow-downs rose, ridge behind ridge into the morning, and vanished out of eyesight... ...it was no more than a guess of blue and a remote white glimmer blending with the hem of the sky, but it spoke to them, out of memory and old tales, of the high and distant mountains."




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This is a Book Spoiler that describes buildings and homes in the Shire... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From the Prologue: Concerning Hobbits: The Fellowship of the Ring


... "All Hobbits had originally lived in holes in the ground, or so they believed, and in such dwellings they still felt most at home; but in the course of time they had been obliged to adopt other forms of abode. Actually in the Shire in Bilbo's days it was, as a rule, only the richest and the poorest Hobbits that maintained the old custom. The poorest went on living in burrows of the most primitive kind, mere holes indeed, with only one window or none; while the well-to-do still constructed more luxurious versions of the simple diggings of old. But suitable sites for these large and ramifying tunnels (or smials as they called them) were not everywhere to be found; and in the flats and the low-lying districts the Hobbits... ...began to build above ground... ...many houses of wood, brick, or stone. These were specially favoured by millers, smiths, ropers, and cartwrights, and others of that sort; for even when they had holes to live in, Hobbits had long been accustomed to build sheds and workshops.
... The habit of building farm-houses and barns was said to have begun among the inhabitants of the Marish down by the Brandywine... ...It is probable that the craft of building, as many other crafts besides, was derived from the Dúnedain. But the Hobbits may have learned it direct from the Elves, the teachers of Men in their youth....

... ...The craft of building may have come from Elves or Men, but the Hobbits used it in their own fashion. They did not go in for towers. Their houses were usually long, low, and comfortable. The oldest kind were, indeed, no more than built imitations of smials, thatched with dry grass or straw, or roofed with turves, and having walls somewhat bulged. That stage, however, belonged to the early days of the Shire, and hobbit-building had long since been altered, improved by devices, learned from Dwarves, or discovered by themselves. A preference for round windows, and even round doors, was the chief remaining peculiarity of hobbit-architecture.
... The houses and the holes of Shire-hobbits were often large, and inhabited by large families... ...Sometimes, as in the case of the Tooks of Great Smials, or the Brandybucks of Brandy Hall, many generations of relatives lived in (comparative) peace together in one ancestral and many-tunnelled mansion...."
... ...Brandy Hall occupied the whole of the low hill, and had three large front-doors, many side-doors, and about a hundred windows."




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Feb 12, 11:51am

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Here's a Book Spoiler that looks at the description of Maggot's Farm... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From A Shortcut to Mushrooms: The Fellowship of the Ring


... "'...Before long the wood came to a sudden end. Wide grass-lands stretched before them... ...Away over the flats they could glimpse the low hill of Bucklebury across the River, but it was now to their left. Creeping cautiously out from the edge of the trees, they set off across the open as quickly as they could....
......the land became steadily more tame and well-ordered. Soon they came into well-tended fields and meadows; there were hedges and gates and dike for drainage. Everything seemed quiet and peaceful, just an ordinary corner of the Shire... ...The line of the River grew nearer... ...They passed along the edge of a huge turnip-field, and came to a stout gate. Beyond it a rutted lane ran between low well-laid hedges towards a distant clump of trees. Pippin stopped.
... 'I know these fields and this gate!' he said. 'We are on old Farmer Maggot's land. That must be his farm away there in the trees...'
... '...folk down here are near the border and have to be more on their guard...'
......They went along the lane, until they saw the thatched roofs of a large house and farm-building peeping out among the trees ahead. The Maggots, and the Puddifoots of Stock, and most of the inhabitants of the Marish, were house-dwellers; and his farm was stoutly built of brick and had a high wall all round it. There was a wide wooden gate opening out of the wall into the lane....

... ...They went into the farmer's kitchen, and sat by the wide fire-place. Mrs. Maggot brought out beer in a huge jug, and filled four large mugs....

... ...Two of Maggot's sons and his three daughters came in, and a generous supper was laid on the large table. The kitchen was lit with candles... ...Mrs. Maggot bustled in and out. One of two other hobbits belonging to the farm-household came in. In a short while fourteen sat down to eat. There was beer in plenty, and a mighty dish of mushrooms and bacon, besides much other solid farmhouse fare...
... [Maggot] 'drove out of the gate [and up the lane towards the causeway]... ...After a mile or two the lane came to an end, crossing a deep dike, and climbing a short slope up on to the high-banked causeway... ...It was five miles or more from Maggot's lane to the Ferry...."




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Here's a Book Spoiler that describes Bucklebury Ferry and the lanes leading to it... for a moment of Tolkien-zen.

From A Shortcut to Mushrooms: The Fellowship of the Ring

... "[Maggot] drove out of the gate... ...After a mile or two the lane came to an end, crossing a deep dike, and climbing a short slope up on to the high-banked causeway... ...It was five miles or more from Maggot's lane to the Ferry....
......They reached the entrance to the Ferry lane at last. It was marked by two tall white posts that suddenly loomed up on their right....

From A Conspiracy Unmasked: The Fellowship of the Ring

... ...They turned down the Ferry lane, which was straight and well-kept and edged with large white-washed stones. In a hundred yards or so it brought them to the river-bank, where there was a broad wooden landing-stage. A large flat ferry-boat was moored beside it. The white bollards near the water's edge glimmered in the light of two lamps on high posts.... ...the water before them was dark... ...Merry led the pony over a gangway on to the ferry, and the others followed. Merry then pushed slowly off with a long pole. The Brandywine flowed slow and broad before them. On the other side the bank was steep, and up it a winding path climbed from the further landing. Lamps were twinkling there. Behind loomed up the Buck Hill; and out of it, through stray shrouds of mist, shone many round windows, yellow and red. They were the windows of Brandy Hall, the ancient home of the Brandybucks...

...The ferry-boat moved slowly across the water. The Buckland shore drew nearer... ...The four hobbits stepped off the ferry. Merry was tying it up, and Pippin was already leading the pony up the path... ...They hurried up the path to the top of the bank..."




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February 14, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
1. The Mirror of Galadriel.
(from the appendices)
..."'Do you now wish to look, Frodo?' said the Lady Galadriel. 'You did not wish to see Elf-magic and were content.'
...'Do you advise me to look?' asked Frodo.
...'No... ...I do not counsel you one way or the other. I am not a counsellor. You may learn something, and whether what you see be fair or evil, that may be profitable, and yet it may not. Seeing is both good and perilous. Yet I think, Frodo, that you have courage and wisdom enough for the venture, or I would not have brought you here. Do as you will!'
...'I will look,' said Frodo, and he climbed on the pedestal and bent over the dark water. At once the Mirror cleared and he saw a twilit land. Mountains loomed dark in the distance against a pale sky. A long grey road wound back out of sight. Far away a figure came slowly down the road, faint and small at first, but growing larger and clearer as it approached. Suddenly Frodo realized that it reminded him of Gandalf. He almost called aloud the wizard's name, and then he saw that the figure was clothed not in grey but... ...in a white that shone faintly in the dusk; and in its hand there was a white staff. The head was so bowed that he could see no face... ...Doubt came into Frodo's mind: was this a vision of Gandalf on one of his many lonely journeys long ago, or was it Saruman?
...The vision now changed. Brief and small but very vivid he caught a glimpse of Bilbo walking restlessly about his room....
...Then there was a pause, and after it many swift scenes followed that Frodo in some way knew to be parts of a great history in which he had become involved. The mist cleared and he saw a sight which he had never seen before but knew at once: the Sea... ...Then he saw... ...the black outline of a tall ship with torn sails riding up out of the West. Then a wide river flowing through a populous city. Then a white fortress with seven towers. And then again a ship with black sails, but now it was morning again, and the water rippled with light, and a banner bearing the emblem of a white tree shone in the sun. A smoke as of fire and battle arose, and again the sun went down in a burning red that faded into a grey mist; and into the mist a small ship passed away, twinkling with lights. It vanished, and Frodo sighed and prepared to draw away.
...But suddenly the Mirror went altogether dark... ...In the black abyss there appeared a single Eye that slowly grew, until it filled nearly all the Mirror. So terrible was it that Frodo stood rooted, unable to cry out or to withdraw his gaze. The Eye was rimmed with fire, but was itself glazed, yellow as a cat's, watchful and intent, and the black slit of its pupil opened on a pit, a window into nothing.
...Then the Eye began to rove, searching this way and that; and Frodo knew with certainty and horror that among the many things that it sought he himself was one. But he also knew that it could not see him—not yet, not unless he willed it. The Ring that hung upon its chain about his neck grew heavy... ...and his head was dragged downwards. The Mirror seemed to be growing hot and curls of steam were rising from the water. He was slipping forward.
...'Do not touch the water!' said the Lady Galadriel softly. The vision faded, and Frodo found that he was looking at the cool stars twinkling in the silver basin. He stepped back shaking all over and looked at the Lady.
...'I know what it was that you last saw,' she said; 'for that is also in my mind... ...I say to you, Frodo, that even as I speak to you, I perceive the Dark Lord and know his mind, or all of his mind that concerns the Elves. And he gropes ever to see me and my thought. But still the door is closed!'
...She lifted up her white arms, and spread out her hands towards the East in a gesture of rejection and denial. Eärendil, the Evening Star, most beloved of the Elves, shone clear above... ...Its rays glanced upon a ring about her finger; it glittered like polished gold overlaid with silver light, and a white stone in it twinkled as if the Even-star had come down to rest upon her hand. Frodo gazed at the ring with awe; for suddenly it seemed to him that he understood.
...'Yes,' she said, divining his thought, 'it is not permitted to speak of it, and Elrond could not do so. But it cannot be hidden from the Ring-bearer, and one who has seen the Eye... ...in the land of Lórien upon the finger of Galadriel that one of the Three remains. This is Nenya, the Ring of Adamant, and I am its keeper.
...'He suspects, but he does not know—not yet. Do you not see now wherefore your coming is to us the footstep of Doom? For if you fail, then we are laid bare to the Enemy. Yet if you succeed, then our power is diminished, and Lothlórien will fade, and the tides of Time will sweep it away. We must depart into the West, or dwindle to a rustic folk of dell and caves, slowly to forget and to be forgotten...
'...And what do you want?' he said at last.
...'That what should be shall be,' she answered. 'The love of the Elves for their land and their works is deeper than the deeps of the Sea, and their regret is undying and cannot ever wholly be assuaged. Yet they will cast all away rather than submit to Sauron: for they know him now. For the fate of Lothlórien you are not answerable, but only for the doing of your own task. Yet I could wish, were it of any avail, that the One Ring had never been wrought, or had remained for ever lost.'
...'You are wise and fearless and fair, Lady Galadriel,' said Frodo. 'I will give you the One Ring, if you ask for it. It is too great a matter for me.'
...Galadriel laughed with a sudden clear laugh. 'Wise the Lady Galadriel may be... ...yet here she has met her match in courtesy. Gently are you revenged for my testing of your heart at our first meeting. You begin to see with a keen eye. I do not deny that my heart has greatly desired to ask what you offer...
...'...You will give me the Ring freely! In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountains! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!'
...She lifted up her hand and from the ring that she wore there issued a great light that illumined her alone and left all else dark...
...'I pass the test,' she said. 'I will diminish, and go into the West and remain Galadriel.'"

2. Gandalf returns to life, and lies in a trance.
(from the appendices)

..."'Naked I was sent back—for a brief time, until my task was done. And naked I lay upon the mountain-top. The tower behind was crumbled into dust, the window gone; the ruined stair was choked with burned and broken stone. I was alone, forgotten, without escape upon the hard horn of the world... ...I lay staring upward, while the stars wheeled over, and each day was as long as a life-age of the earth. Faint to my ears came the gathered rumour of all lands: the springing and the dying, the song and the weeping, and the slow everlasting groan of over-burdened stone....'"

February 14, 3020 (S.R. 1420)
(not in the appendices-no text)

The Shire continues to heal the hurts to rick, cot and tree caused by Sharkey.





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Then the Eye began to rove, searching this way and that; and Frodo knew with certainty and horror that among the many things that it sought he himself was one.


Sauron is beyond an obsessed stalker. He's sitting there in his tower, looking for all kinds of things & people, inserting himself into everyone's lives where he doesn't belong, trying to bend everything to his dominion. With Sauron lurking in the world, I would think: "I'm probably paranoid, but I worry that I'm not paranoid enough."





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That movie script version where Frodo and Galadriel have a sexual encounter [In reply to] Can't Post

I have a scrap of memory from somewhere that pre-Peter Jackson, someone wrote a movie/cartoon script where yes, Frodo and Galadriel had a romantic dalliance, if that is more proper. Fans would howl at that, including me, as something Tolkien would not approve of, but at the same time, after reading this scene for probably the 100th time, I have to admit there is a profound, spontaneous intimacy between them as they bare their souls (having only met once before this), and poor Sam is stuck there as a voyeur. I'm not arguing in favor of an x-rated movie version, but I think I can see how this sudden, deep sharing prompted someone to get that idea.


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Today in Middle-earth

February 15, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
1. The Fellowship's stay in Lothlórien ends.
(not from the appendices)

..."In the morning, as they were beginning to pack their slender goods, Elves that could speak their tongue came to them and brought them many gifts of food and clothing for the journey. The food was mostly in the form of very thin cakes, made of a meal that was baked a light brown on the outside, and inside was the colour of cream. Gimli took up one of the cakes and looked at it with a doubtful eye.
...'Cram,' he said under his breath, as he broke off a crisp corner and nibbled at it. His expression quickly changed, and he ate all the rest of the cake with relish.
...'No more, no more!' cried the Elves laughing. 'You have eaten enough already for a long day's march.'
...'I thought it was only a kind of cram, such as the Dale-men make for journeys in the wild...'
...'...So it is,' they answered. 'But we call it lembas or waybread, and it is more strengthening than any food made by Men, and it is more pleasant that cram....'
...'Indeed it is,' said Gimli. 'Why, it is better that the honey-cakes of the Beornings, and that is great praise... ...You are kindly hosts!'
...'All the same, we bid you spare the food,' they said. 'Eat a little at a time, and only at need. For these things are given to serve you when all else fails. The cakes will keep sweet for many many days, if they are unbroken and left in their leaf-wrappings... ...One will keep a traveller on his feet for a day of long labour, even if he be one of the tall Men of Minas Tirith.'
...The Elves next unwrapped and gave to each of the Company... ...a hood and cloak, made according to his size, of the light but warm silken stuff that the Galadrim wove. It was hard to say of what colour they were: grey with the hue of twilight under the trees they seemed to be; and yet if they were moved, or set in another light, they were green as shadowed leaves, or brown as fallow fields by night, dusk-silver as water under the stars. Each cloak was fastened about the neck with a brooch like green leaf veined with silver.
...'Are these magic cloaks?' asked Pippin, looking at them with wonder.
...'I do not know what you mean by that,' answered the leader of the elves. 'They are fair garments, and the web is good, for it was made in this land... ...Leaf and branch, water and stone: they have the hue and beauty of all these things under the twilight of Lórien that we love; for we put the thought of all that we love into all that we make... ...they should serve you well: they are light to wear, and warm enough or cool enough at need. And you will find them a great aid in keeping out of the sight of unfriendly eyes, whether you walk among the stones or the trees. You are indeed high in the favour of the Lady! For she herself and her maidens wove this stuff; and never before have we clad strangers in the garb of our own people....'
......Three small grey boats had been made ready for the travellers... ...they added also coils of rope, three to each boat. Slender they looked, but strong, silken to the touch, grey of hue like the elven-cloaks.
...'What are these?' asked Sam, handling one that lay on the green-sward.
...'Ropes indeed!' answered an Elf from the boats. 'Never travel far without a rope! And one that is long and strong and light. Such are these. They may be a help in many needs.'
...'You don't need to tell me that!' said Sam. 'I came without any, and I've been worried ever since. But I was wondering what these were made of, knowing a bit about rope-making: it's in the family as you might say.'
...'They are made of hithlain... ...but there is no time now to instruct you in the art of their making. Had we known that this craft delighted you, we could have taught you much. But now alas! unless you should at some time return hither, you must be content with our gift. May it serve you well!'"

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It's terrifying and you need to be paranoid when a power wants to take whatever exists... regardless of whether or not it's useful.

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He does not need you--he has many more useful servants--but he won't forget you again. And hobbits as miserable slaves would please him far more than hobbits happy and free. There is such a thing as malice and revenge!' -- Gandalf speaking with Frodo


Ring-bearers would definitely have an immediate understanding of what is really going on... and connects them all at a deeper level that no one else could understand, imho.




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And a deeper injury that results from the influence of the Ring on him. I think to have what became a part of your makeup ripped away would leave one suffering from the aftermath. All of the Ring-bearers left Middle-earth, and gollum was consumed. Frodo spent so much of himself not just carrying the Ring, but fighting against it's power as he was determined to destroy it. His hurt was at a whole other level than the others who carried their Rings in a more symbiotic way.




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February 16th, 3019 (S.R. 1419) (continued from February 15)
1. Farewell to Lórien.
(from the appendices)
..."'We have drunk the cup of parting,' [Galadriel] said, 'and the shadows fall between us. But before you go, I have brought in my ship gifts which the Lord and Lady of the Galadrim now offer you in memory of Lothlórien.' Then she called to each in turn.
...'Here is the gift of Celeborn and Galadriel to the leader of your Company,' she said to Aragorn, and she gave him a sheath that had been made to fit his sword... ...overlaid with a tracery of flowers and leaves wrought of silver and gold, and on it were set in elven-runes formed of many gems the name Andúril and the lineage of the sword.
...'The blade that is drawn from this sheath shall not be stained or broken even in defeat... ...Then she lifted from her lap a great stone of a clear green, set in a silver brooch that was wrought in the likeness of an eagle with outspread wings... '...This stone I gave to Celebrían my daughter, and she to hers; and now it comes to you as a token of hope. In this hour take the name that was foretold for you, Elessar, the Elfstone of the house of Elendil!'
...Then Aragorn took the stone and pinned the brooch upon his breast, and those who saw him wondered; for they had not marked before how tall and kingly he stood... ...it seemed to them that many years of toil had fallen from his shoulders....
......she turned then to Boromir, and to him she gave a belt of gold; and to Merry and Pippin she gave small silver belts, each with a clasp wrought like a golden flower. To Legolas she gave a bow such as the Galadrim used... ...strung with a string of elf-hair. With it went a quiver of arrows.
...'For you little gardener and lover of trees,' she said to Sam, 'I have only a small gift.' She put into his hand a little box of plain grey wood, unadorned save for a single silver rune upon the lid. 'Here is set G for Galadriel... ...but also it may stand for garden in your tongue. In this box there is earth from my orchard, and such blessing as Galadriel has still to bestow is upon it... ...if you keep it and see your home again at last... ...perhaps it may reward you. Though you should find all barren and laid waste, there will be few gardens in Middle-earth that will bloom like your garden, if you sprinkle this earth there. Then you may remember Galadriel, and catch a glimpse far off of Lórien....'
......Sam went red to the ears and muttered something inaudible, and he clutched the box and bowed as well as he could.
...'And what gift would a Dwarf ask of the Elves?' said Galadriel, turning to Gimli.
...'None, Lady... ...It is enough for me to have seen the Lady of the Galadrim, and to have heard her gentle words.'
...'Hear all ye Elves!' she cried to those about her. 'Let none say again that Dwarves are grasping and ungracious... ...you desire something that I could give? Name it, I bid you! You shall not be the only guest without a gift.'
...'There is nothing, Lady Galadriel,' said Gimli, bowing low and stammering. 'Nothing, unless it might be—unless it is permitted to ask, nay, to name a single strand of your hair, which surpasses the gold of the earth as the stars surpass the gems of the mine....'
...The Elves stirred and murmured with astonishment, and Celeborn gazed at the Dwarf in wonder, but the Lady smiled. 'It is said that the skill of the Dwarves is in their hands rather than in their tongues... ...yet that is not true of Gimli. For none have ever made to me a request so bold and yet so courteous. And how shall I refuse, since I commanded him to speak? But tell me, what would you do with such a gift?'
...'Treasure it, Lady... ...in memory of your words to me at our first meeting, and if ever I return to the smithies of my home, it shall be set in imperishable crystal to be an heirloom of my house... ...a pledge of good will between the Mountain and the Wood until the end of days.'
...Then the Lady unbraided one of her long tresses, and cut off three golden hairs, and laid them in Gimli's hand. 'These words shall go with the gift... ...Gimli son of Glóin, that your hands shall flow with gold, and yet over you gold shall have no dominion.
...'And you, Ring-bearer,' she said, turning to Frodo. 'I come to you last who are not last in my thoughts. For you have prepared this.' She held up a small crystal phial; it glittered as she moved it... ...rays of white light sprang from her hand. 'In this phial... ...is caught the light of Eärendil's star, set amid the waters of my fountain. It will shine still brighter when night is about you. May it be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out....'
...Frodo took the phial, and for a moment as it shone between them, he saw her again standing like a queen, great and beautiful, but no longer terrible. He bowed, but found no words to say."

2. Gollum in hiding on the west bank observes the departure.
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...As the grey boats slipped away from shore, Aragorn suddenly turned and looked back at the bank, scanning the shoreline. He knew their departure had not gone unnoticed. As he returned to his paddle, he saw that Frodo was also looking back at the shore.




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February 17, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
1. Gwaihir bears Gandalf to Lórien.
(from the appendices)

..."'And so at the last Gwaihir the Windlord found me again, and he took me up and bore me away.
...'"Ever am I fated to be your burden, friend at need," I said.
...'"A burden you have been... ...but not so now. Light as a swan's feather in my claw you are. The Sun shines through you. Indeed I do not think you need me any more: were I to let you fall, you would float upon the wind."
...'"Do not let me fall!" I gasped, for I felt life in me again. "Bear me to Lothlórien!"'
...'"That indeed is the command of the Lady Galadriel who sent me to look for you..."
...'Thus it was that I came to Caras Galadon and found you but lately gone. I tarried there in the ageless time of that land where days bring healing not decay. Healing I found, and I was clothed in white....'"

2. The Fellowship faces the Great River.
(not from the appendices)

..."They started again before the day was broad... ...and they let the River bear them on at its own pace, having no desire to hasten towards the perils that lay beyond, whichever course they took in the end. Aragorn let them drift with the stream as they wished, husbanding their strength against weariness to come. But he insisted that at least they should start early each day and journey on far into the evening; for he felt in his heart that time was pressing, and he feared that the Dark Lord had not been idle while they lingered in Lórien."


February 17, 3020 (S.R. 1420)
1. The Shire continues to recover from its hurts.
(not in the appendices-no text)

...Though the work of tearing down the brooding, dark buildings that had infested Hobbiton was complete, the frigid months of winter forced them to turn their attention to other needs. There was much to keep the hobbits busy while waiting out the cold season as they restored the interiors of homes and businesses marred by Sharkey's ruffians. Their work was certainly the most rewarding at the Green Dragon Inn. It took several weeks of finishing and polishing to undo the damage; but it wasn't until after testing the kegs of ale recovered from the tunnels of Michel Delving when it was unanimously agreed that The Dragon had been restored to its proper standard.


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February 17, 2017

TORn Discussion Boards' 10th TORniversary 2/17/2007 – 2/17/2017




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February 18, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
The Fellowship travel the Great River.
(not from the appendices)

..."So the Company went on their long way, down the wide hurrying waters, borne ever southwards. Bare woods stalked along either bank, and they could not see any glimpse of the lands behind... ...the River flowed without a sound. No voice of bird broke the silence. The sun grew misty as the day grew old, until it gleamed in a pale sky like a high white pearl. Then it faded into the West, and dusk came early, followed by a grey and starless night. Far into the dark quiet hours they floated on... ...Great trees passed by like ghosts, thrusting their twisted thirsty roots through the mist down into the water. It was dreary and cold."




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February 19, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
1. The Company makes its way down the River.
(not from the appendices)

..."The dull grey hours passed without event. As the third day of their voyage wore on the lands changed slowly: the trees thinned and then failed altogether. On the eastern bank to their left they saw long formless slopes stretching up and away toward the sky; brown and withered they looked, as if fire had passed over them, leaving no living blade of green: an unfriendly waste... ...They had come to the Brown Lands that lay, vast and desolate, between Southern Mirkwood and the hills of the Emyn Muil. What pestilence or war or evil deed of the Enemy hand so blasted all that region even Aragorn could not tell....
...'How wide and empty and mournful all this country looks!' said Frodo. 'I always imagined that as one journeyed south it got warmer and merrier, until winter was left behind for ever.'
...'But we have not journeyed far south yet,' answered Aragorn. 'It is still winter, and we are far from the sea. Here the world is cold until the sudden spring, and we may yet have snow again. Far away down in the Bay of Belfalas, to which Anduin runs, it is warm and merry, maybe, or would be but for the Enemy....'
......Sam looked from bank to bank uneasily. The trees had seemed hostile before, as if they harbored secret eyes and lurking dangers; now he wished that the trees were still there. He felt that the Company was too naked, afloat in little open boats in the midst of shelterless lands, and on a river that was the frontier of war."

2. Gandalf recovers in Lothlórien.
(from the appendices-no text)

For long hours Galadriel and at times Celeborn sat with Gandalf as he would fall into fitful sleep. Together they strove in thought against the darkness as Gandalf made his way back.




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February 20, 3019 (S.R. 1419)
1. The days on the River pass slowly.
(not from the appendices)

..."There was little speech and no laughter in any of the boats. Each member of the Company was busy with his own thoughts.
...The heart of Legolas was running under the stars of a summer night in some northern glade amid the beechwoods; Gimli was fingering gold in his mind, and wondering if it were fit to be wrought into the housing of the Lady's gift. Merry and Pippin in the middle boat were ill at ease, for Boromir sat muttering to himself... ...as if some restlessness or doubt consumed him, sometimes seizing a paddle and driving the boat close behind Aragorn's. Then Pippin... ...caught a queer gleam in his eye, as he peered forward gazing at Frodo. Sam had long ago made up his mind that, though boats were maybe not as dangerous as he had been brought up to believe, they were far more uncomfortable than even he had imagined. He was cramped and miserable, having nothing to do but stare at the winter-lands crawling by and the grey water on either side of him. Even when the paddles were in use they did not trust Sam with one."

February 20, 3020 (S.R. 1420)
1. The Shire rebuilds.
(not from the appendices)

..."The trees were the worst loss and damage, for at Sharkey's bidding they had been cut down recklessly far and wide over the Shire; and Sam grieved over this more than anything else... ...this hurt would take long to heal, and only his great-grandchildren, he thought, would see the Shire as it ought to be."




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British inside joke? RE: Hobbits and boats [In reply to] Can't Post

Can any of our British members comment on whether Tolkien was making a regional, insider joke about people being afraid of boats? I ask because the Shire is so clearly modeled on England, and this boat/no-boat issue seems very defining for them. So I'm wondering, for example, if it's a common thing to say, "He's from Essex, you know, those people who think the world is flat and are afraid of boats." Just curious...



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Sam had long ago made up his mind that, though boats were maybe not as dangerous as he had been brought up to believe, they were far more uncomfortable than even he had imagined. He was cramped and miserable, having nothing to do but stare at the winter-lands crawling by and the grey water on either side of him. Even when the paddles were in use they did not trust Sam with one."




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It could be regional... [In reply to] Can't Post

but I know I have a former hubby who still feels that way about boats and my eldest daughter feels that way about boats and bridges! Heaven help us if she's driving and is confronted with a suspension bridge! If she could, she'd take it with her eyes closed!!! :o




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