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Jeffrodo
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Oct 22 2018, 2:50am
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I still love The Hobbit!
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Almost 6 years ago the trilogy debuted. So much has been said of it, so much criticism and comparison to LOTR. Yet after 6 years I find I still LOVE The Hobbit trilogy. These are entertaining films that take me away to Middle Earth once again. Yes there are things I’d change but overall the movies are so good. I also find them very rewatchable.
I hope we see some of the dwarves in the new tv series!
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Oct 22 2018, 4:10am
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My own thoughts are complicated, but your love makes my heart glad.
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There's no way around it. My reaction to each of the films was one of initial disappointment, followed by an acceptance of what they weren't, and a cherishing of the elements which I did love.
But it fills me with so much happiness that there are those who unabashedly love them - who have a special place in their hearts for each and every frame (just as I do with the LotR trilogy).
One thing I will say about my own experience with the Hobbit is that I wouldn't trade that build up to An Unexpected Journey for anything in the world. The film didn't ultimately live up to my expectations, but the journey (pun intended  ) to get there was one of the most joyous experiences of my life (matching the joy I felt during the heyday of LotR).
"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that." - Viggo Mortensen
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Belegdir
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Oct 22 2018, 1:37pm
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I may not love it as much as LotR
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However, I do enjoy the films for what they are and have no problems watching them. Sure there are elements I wish were changed, or not included, but I think everyone involved did a marvellous job. Especially Freeman. I though his portrayal of Bilbo was excellent.
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Oct 24 2018, 7:22pm
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I loved it so much, I spent 3 years saving money for my own trip to Middle-earth! (Now I am in love with New Zealand & hope to return someday  ) There's actually very little I would change in the Hobbit films, and what I don't care for is so minor that I usually just let it play. Yes, I loved the original trilogy as well, drove my family insane watching them so much. But if it's possible, I may love the Hobbit films more! I confess, my crush on Thorin might have SOMETHING to do with it, but really, all of the actors were perfect for their parts, even if I didn't much care for the characters. And then of course there's New Zealand's breathtaking landscapes. Okay, that's it, I gotta go THERE AND BACK AGAIN!!!
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Chen G.
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Oct 24 2018, 7:42pm
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Yes, I loved the original trilogy as well.
To me, this idea of an "original" trilogy is artificial. Its a unified sextet (or hexalogy). If there's a difference between the two trilogies, its all within the reasonable and desirable boundaries of variation, much like you'd expect between individual films in a trilogy: you can't have six films all be the exact same, after all.
But if it's possible, I may love the Hobbit films more!
They're certainly more accesible from a packaging standpoint: being significantly shorter. As a result, I ended up watching them in recent years much more frequently than The Lord of the Rings, purely for "logistical" reasons.
Thematically, these kinds of archetypal stories get a lot of flack for their supposed simplicity, and while that's untrue and overlooks several complex character stories injected into the narrative (issues of loyalty in Return of the King, for instance), never in this series have they been as front-and-center as Thorin's is.
This character is so wonderfully nuanced, flawed and at times morally ambigious - its gripping stuff.
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Noria
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Oct 26 2018, 12:52pm
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As I mentioned on the LotR movie forum, I recently watched those movies for the first time in several years, and found that the same things thrilled me and the same things irked me that always had. My immense love of these movies overall has not diminished.
Now I’ve started rewatching The Hobbit and have just finished AUJ. I still love it though the same things still annoy me, like the Goblin King. As with the books, TH movies will always be second in my heart to the LotR films, but that is still a lot of love.
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Oct 26 2018, 4:41pm
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with AUJ and definitely the strongest ones of the whole trilogy are the troll sequence and the whole Radagast/Wargs/Dwarves/Elves sequence.These 2 lengthy scenes ruin the pace and the overall cohesion of this movie,that's why it is my least favourite of all six!
"You cannot find peace by avoiding life"
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Oct 26 2018, 10:18pm
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Following up on my earlier reply...
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...this thread has made me realize that I never have actually watched all three parts in a single sitting, as one long film. I'm actually rather shocked that I haven't done this.
Given that I've long held onto my misgivings about the decision to split the story into three movies, I wonder how my feelings about the adaptation might (or might not) be altered by such a viewing.
"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that." - Viggo Mortensen
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Chen G.
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Oct 27 2018, 9:36am
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with AUJ and definitely the strongest ones of the whole trilogy are the troll sequence and the whole Radagast/Wargs/Dwarves/Elves sequence.These 2 lengthy scenes ruin the pace and the overall cohesion of this movie,that's why it is my least favourite of all six!
Same, although the Warg chase at least sets-up the idea that the company is being hunted and does move them to Rivendell.
That's the funny thing: if the theatrical cut would have been shorter, we'd all accept the extended cut, as it is, without a quibble, I think.
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Thor 'n' Oakenshield
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Oct 27 2018, 2:27pm
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Because I love the contrast between the Brown Wizard on his rabbit-sled, or whatever that contraption is, and the orcs. Such a beautiful intertwining of elements from Middle-earth.
I don't love AUJ as much as the other two Hobbit films; I've never been fond of the Troll sequence, and I thought it moved a little slower - though the battle at the end is quite incredible, and Riddles in the Dark, and Rivendell of course. I do love the Hobbit movies, overall, though: they don't get me as emotional as the Lord of the Rings, and they don't fill me with that same inspiration, but they are beautiful films, and the acting is superb, I can forgive little things like Bard's annoying kids, or some of the more out-there Dwarves (looking at you, Ori!). I loved everything in DoS except for the fact that it didn't really work well as a film. BoFA was awesome, and Thorin's death is a touching scene, straight out of the book. I wish some things were different, but I can't ever hate or even dislike the Hobbit movies.
And I'm also still in love with Tauriel and Galadriel, so there's that, too…
"Torment in the dark was the danger that I feared, and it did not hold me back. But I would not have come, had I known the danger of light and joy. Now I have taken my worst wound in this parting, even if I were to go this night straight to the Dark Lord."
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Oct 27 2018, 7:15pm
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If you get a chance to try that...
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Tell us how it goes. I'd be interested to hear what perspectives it changes or confirms to see them all together. These days the best I can manage is consecutive days, which still maintains the separation too much to feel truly continuous.
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Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Oct 27 2018, 7:48pm
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It's so much harder as you get older, lol.
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The only time I was able to do a full viewing of LotR was shortly after the Theatrical Cut of RotK came out on DVD in Summer '04 (so it wasn't even the full Extended viewing). I had the benefit of being on summer vacation from college and a tolerant mother (and a dad at work ).
Nowadays, the option only exists on the weekend, and having an empty house for an entire day seems nearly impossible. Still, when an opportunity arises, I will pounce on it. 
"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that." - Viggo Mortensen
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Oct 27 2018, 8:08pm
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I did Trilogy Tuesday for LOTR, which was a great experience, but I never replicated that at home. And now I just don't have the stamina to sit and watch for so many hours straight anymore. Maybe I could manage AUJ one day and the other two the next, if I found a clear day.
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Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.
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Thor 'n' Oakenshield
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Oct 27 2018, 11:16pm
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I got the chance to watch all 6 back in September, back-to-back, and I always have the stamina. My sister does the same thing, annually. These movies never grow old.
"Torment in the dark was the danger that I feared, and it did not hold me back. But I would not have come, had I known the danger of light and joy. Now I have taken my worst wound in this parting, even if I were to go this night straight to the Dark Lord."
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Oct 28 2018, 12:27am
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The movies may not grow old...
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but we do. 17 years of water under the bridge can make a difference.
But I'm glad you and your sister can do it. Enjoy! 
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Roads go ever ever on
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Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
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Thor 'n' Oakenshield
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Oct 28 2018, 12:46am
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17 years from now I'll probably be saying the same thing!
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But for now I'm gonna savor every moment I've got haha
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Oct 28 2018, 7:34pm
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That's one change from the book I really appreciated
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Overall the Dwarves in the book aren't terribly well-developed, even Thorin. I love that PJ tried to give each Dwarf a personality and a purpose within the Company (Gloin the banker, Oin the medic, Dwalin the bodyguard, etc). It is sad that he couldn't keep that up throughout the trilogy, but 13 is a really big ensemble. But Thorin, yeah, I think Richard really owned the part. You could just see the problems developing into full-blown madness, which made his change of heart and sacrifice all the more tragic. And the friendship that developed between him and Bilbo, well, I don't think that was anywhere in the book; granted, maybe I'm just not that observant, but I think the movies really emphasized the long-term effect it had on Bilbo.
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Oct 28 2018, 7:44pm
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but you'd have to stay up all night to watch all six movies together. I've watched the LoTR trilogy in one day (took over 12 hrs), and the Hobbit trilogy in one day (which takes nearly as long). But another thing I've done is watch DoS, BOT5A and Fellowship in one day. The reason being you have Thorin's promise to the people of Laketown (all will share in the gold), Smaug's attack & death (which is great uninterrupted), and Thorin giving Bilbo the shirt, which is mentioned by Gandalf in Fellowship. It's kind of a mini-marathon, and an interesting perspective.
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Oct 28 2018, 11:13pm
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That's an interesting way to do it...
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To get the transition from one to the next. Did you find it at all distracting or jarring to jump straight from the Bilbo/Frodo bookend to the opening of FOTR with Ian Holm and the younger Elijah Wood?
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Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Oct 29 2018, 4:02am
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...that I, personally, would find the Hobbit-LotR marathon fulfilling. I understand the inclination to do it, but the two trilogies (or films, since we're speaking of single-sitting marathons) are such separate entities for me, that I prefer to keep them that way.
I am still keen to find a way to do the Hobbit in one go, however. Since that won't happen for some time, I've taken another route to give me a single-Hobbit experience. I've made a playlist of all three of Howard's scores, excising certain tracks (the first two songs and some bonus tracks) to create a cohesive, non-stop score presentation.
I'm actually listening to it now (I past from AUJ into DoS about 20 minutes ago). It's an extremely pleasurable listening experience, I must say.
"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that." - Viggo Mortensen
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Chen G.
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Oct 29 2018, 9:53am
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but you'd have to stay up all night to watch all six movies together. I've watched the LoTR trilogy in one day (took over 12 hrs), and the Hobbit trilogy in one day (which takes nearly as long). But another thing I've done is watch DoS, BOT5A and Fellowship in one day. The reason being you have Thorin's promise to the people of Laketown (all will share in the gold), Smaug's attack & death (which is great uninterrupted), and Thorin giving Bilbo the shirt, which is mentioned by Gandalf in Fellowship. It's kind of a mini-marathon, and an interesting perspective.
I tried watching all six. I gave up quite early into the Two Towers, where I was just so exhausted it turned into a chore more than a delight. This isn't like, say, a Star Wars marathon: these movies are much more serious and weighty, and therefore deplete the audience (in a good way) much more quickly.
And yes, everything between The Desolation of Smaug to The Fellowship of the Ring (or even The Two Towers) forms a nice continuous flow. Inevitably, due to the cliffhanger ending of The Desolation of Smaug and the in medias res opening of The Battle of the Five Armies. Because the latter ends on a somewhat depressing note, I always finish watching it with a desire to watch The Fellowship of the Ring.
Did you find it at all distracting or jarring to jump straight from the Bilbo/Frodo bookend to the opening of FOTR with Ian Holm and the younger Elijah Wood?
There are almost nine hours of cinema between the two bookends of the framework device, so it doesn't tend to register in one's mind like that. I'm sure we'll also get a revised edition that makes the transition all the smoother.
I've come to really appreciate this framing device, recently. When you watch the final scene of The Battle of the Five Armies a second time you realize the reason Bilbo is staring at the Ring the way he does is that he just had his tantrum after not finding it (which we see in The Fellowship of the Ring). Nice non-linear touch!
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Oct 29 2018, 3:39pm
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They did a pretty good job making Elijah look the same as he did in Fellowship. But to be honest, I often skip that scene with Elijah in AUJ because it really doesn't add anything to the story. I get that it ties AUJ to FoTR, but I'd rather get to that "Good morning" scene.
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Kilidoescartwheels
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Oct 29 2018, 3:43pm
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I didn't really do too well, either. I fell asleep in the middle of FoTR, & ended up watching TTT and RoTK the next day. But I'm sure I'll cover all six movies over Thanksgiving, giving myself 2 or 3 days to space them out! I'll save the Star Wars marathon for Christmas!
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Thor 'n' Oakenshield
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Oct 29 2018, 3:55pm
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You skip the scene with Frodo???
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Wow, I love that scene: it gives you such a charming little snapshot, as it were, of a Frodo completely untouched by fear and hurt. I love the "Good Morning" scene too, of course, but I love Frodo even more.
"Torment in the dark was the danger that I feared, and it did not hold me back. But I would not have come, had I known the danger of light and joy. Now I have taken my worst wound in this parting, even if I were to go this night straight to the Dark Lord."
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Oct 29 2018, 6:14pm
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I haven’t seen the Frodo scene in its original context...
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...probably since 2012. Grinds the film to a complete halt.
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Noria
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Nov 1 2018, 1:07pm
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Wow, I love that scene: it gives you such a charming little snapshot, as it were, of a Frodo completely untouched by fear and hurt. I love the "Good Morning" scene too, of course, but I love Frodo even more.
I agree with this. I enjoyed seeing Frodo again.
But more, I think that Frodo's presence was for the benefit of the members of the general audience who might or might not have read The Hobbit as a child and really liked the LotR movies but may not have remembered them that well. The prologue ensures that those people understand that they are not seeing the earlier adventures of Frodo but the story of Bilbo from long before Frodo was born. Of course all that's unnecessary for book fans bu we were a small percentage of the movie audience.
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That's Jackson's primary reason for the framing device: to ensure that everyone knows this is a prequel. Especially those who have seen The Lord of the Rings but haven't read either it, or The Hobbit.
That's perfectly valid: one of the main tenets of adaptation is to make the film work for people who have never - and will never - read the book.
I also think old Bilbo is also beneficial for completely new audiences: whenever you're introducting a world so unlike our own to a new audience, you want them to have a strong anchor, and what better anchor than the instantly-sympathetic old grandpa character? Its the same function of old Rose in Titanic.
I just think it should have been much, much shorter for the theatrical cut: basically after the bulk of the prologue, cut to that shot of Frodo going outside, and than Bilbo goes outside, Frodo hangs the "no admittance" sign and leaves, Bilbo sits down and flashback to the narrative of The Hobbit.
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Nov 2 2018, 12:06pm
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I like the Bilbo and Frodo sequence in its entirety.
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Nov 2 2018, 2:05pm
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I enjoy watching the three minute sequence as a stand-alone piece on YouTube.
As a second prologue to AUJ, I find that, like a whiff of Smaug’s flame, it reduces the film’s pace to ash.
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I like the Bilbo and Frodo sequence in its entirety.
I'm speaking strictly the theatrical cut. I think, because this film isn't only the first of this trilogy, but of the whole sextet, a concise theatrical presentation, meant to draw new audiences into the series, was all the more important. Once people are "hooked" they can go back for the extended cut.
My idea: abridge the framing device after the bulk of the prologue, add the battle of Azanulbizar to the prologue and abridge Trollshaws. Keep the extended cut (and the next films) as-is.
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Its a reduction of 10-20 minutes. Doesn't sound like much, but it can make the film feel 40 minutes shorter.
It isn't possible strictly as a fan-edit, though. It requires several reaction shots and bits of dialogue that don't exist.
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Nov 7 2018, 5:53am
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I miss the hype for AUJ and the other Hobbit movies.
Such a great and humble time.
" Why, O people of Noldor! Fëanor cried. Why should we longer serve the jealous Valar, who cannot keep us nor even their own realm secure from their enemy? And though he be now their foe, are not they and he of one kin? Vengence calls me hence, but even were it otherwise I would not dwell longer in the same land with the kin of my father's slayer and of the thief of treasure. Yet i am not the only valiant in this valiant people. And have ye not all lost your King? And what else have ye not lost, cooped here in a narrow land between the mountains and the sea? Here once was light, that the Valar begrudged to middle-earth, but now dark levels all. Shall we mourn here deedless forever, a shadow-folk, mist-haunting, dropping vain tears in the thankless sea? Or shall we return to our home? In cuiviènen sweet ran the waters under uncloaded stars, and wide lands lay about, where a free people might walk. There they lie still and await us who in out folly forsook them. Come away! Let the cowards keep this city!"
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Nov 7 2018, 5:01pm
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Despite the outcome, the build-up was epic.
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I'm with you. The anticipation for these movies was amazing. Granted, it may have been too epic and contributed overall to some people's disappointment, but it was a truly exciting time to be sure.
Waiting for any set photos, production videos, and then of course when trailers were released. I remember being disappointed even before TBOFA came out that once I saw it, I'd only have the extended edition to wait for, and then....what?! The illusive director's edition of LOTR with the deleted scenes finally released?!
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Nov 10 2018, 5:16pm
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but he's so cute! and it's so nice to see him before the ring gets to him
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Agree, except I'm not sure humble is the right word
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I still suffer flashbacks from some of the more passionate discussions.
I'm sure if the series is good then that electricity will return. We're just catching our breaths for the time being. 
Time sure flies though, doesn't it?
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Loved them every since they were released. Are they perfect? no, but I don't think they were suppose to be. You want perfection? then there's the LOTR trilogy!
And that's what always have been bother me since 2012... Audience pretending The Hobbit movies to be equal or maybe even better than LOTR! They are not nor should ever be! The Hobbit trilogy must felt less of every great thing in LOTR, because chronologically it should increase the experience. The more you approach to the end, the better it gets; scale, urgency, stakes, epicness, score, emotions, drama, realism. That's why I still love them as they are.
The only thing still bothers me is not having the option to see a "Martin Freeman in Prologue" version of FOTR, that and the fact that when Bilbo shows his book to Frodo in Rivendell, the illustrations doesn't fit with the ones seen in The Hobbit.
"The World is Changed, I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air"
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- and knowing myself I will probably never stop. For me, these movies are simply too good not to love. Like many of us, I also have a few little things in mind I would change or leave out, but on the whole they remain some of my favorite movies of all time.
It may also be partly because I never "overdosed" on them. Even at the height of the Hobbit fever, when the movies were just coming out one by one and there were new enthusiastic threads posted here every day *wistful sigh* - and considering that, to my regret, I properly "awoke" to being a fan of the films & found the board only after BO5A had come to theaters *another wistful sigh* - despite all that I never watched them nearly as many times as many other fans did. (Judging by the impression I got when reading posts here & elsewhere, that is.) Of course I did watch them and bought the EEs, but I spent more time reading the board, posting a bit, looking at official movie art and fan art, reading (Tolkien's books and others), reading some fan fiction here and there, etc. Then I started posting about my country's mythology in Off Topic, and had other stuff to do, and in the end had no time to watch the films as much as I would have liked... The films remain "fresh" for me in the sense that I cannot cite (nor would I want to) most of the dialogue like some can, I have not noticed every single detail of every frame, and there are even some Appendices I STILL have not watched!  (And one or two that I maybe never will, for wanting to maintain a little bit of mystery for some scenes.) But then I never overdosed on the LotR trilogy either, much as I love that too. There's just too much to do, too little time, so I prefer to watch my favorites less often but with full concentration, without interruptions, making it "a special movie night" every time. Letting the films transport me to Middle-earth, letting myself get immersed in their beauty and magic.
So, yeah. I still love The Hobbit.
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DigificWriter
Lorien
Feb 7 2019, 3:54pm
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Gotta rejoin the community as a whole and join in this Hobbit love-fest.
I'm most likely in a minority, but I hold both The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings trilogies in equal standing in terms of quality and my fandom, loving both equally and being able to appreciate them for what they are without comparing/contrasting them either against their source material or each other.
I'm also likely one of the few people who lists Battle of the Five Armies as their favorite film in the Hobbit trilogy, but I'm okay with that.
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