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squire
Half-elven


Mar 15 2017, 7:33pm

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ange1e4e5
Rohan

Mar 15 2017, 7:34pm

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Unfortunately, he doesn't have respect for them. [In reply to] Can't Post

Just managing to make the trilogy is an achievement.

I always follow my job through.


Elthir
Grey Havens

Mar 15 2017, 9:05pm

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Don't a lot of filmmakers... [In reply to] Can't Post

... manage to make films Wink


(This post was edited by Elthir on Mar 15 2017, 9:08pm)


ange1e4e5
Rohan

Mar 15 2017, 9:12pm

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He's the only one who tried and succeeded in making the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy. Just ask Ralph Bakshi. [In reply to] Can't Post

 

I always follow my job through.


wizzardly
Rohan


Mar 15 2017, 9:17pm

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I'll take Bakshi's "Flight to the Ford" over PJ's any day... [In reply to] Can't Post

and of course it was 1978 and he didn't have the budget nor the technology PJ had. I for one would have liked to see what he could have done if given the opportunity to finish it.

"Tolkien has become a monster, devoured by his own popularity and absorbed into the absurdity of our time." -Christopher Tolkien


ange1e4e5
Rohan

Mar 15 2017, 9:19pm

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Could have done a better job with a Balrog. [In reply to] Can't Post

At least Peter Jackson knew how to make something scary.

In regards to the Flight to the Ford, I liked Arwen getting introduced early.

I always follow my job through.

(This post was edited by ange1e4e5 on Mar 15 2017, 9:21pm)


wizzardly
Rohan


Mar 15 2017, 9:24pm

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Yeah, I don't have a problem with PJ's Balrog... [In reply to] Can't Post

but his "Flight to the Ford" was awful. At least Bakshi recognized the importance of that scene for the development of Frodo's character.

"Tolkien has become a monster, devoured by his own popularity and absorbed into the absurdity of our time." -Christopher Tolkien


Elthir
Grey Havens

Mar 15 2017, 10:12pm

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success in making the film seems a lowish bar for criticism [In reply to] Can't Post

Plus it's not like we have heaps of filmmakers here who failed to finish. According to Tolkien Gateway, Bakshi's film grossed $30,471,420 at the box office...

... and the budget was $8 million. I believe Peter Jackson was given 8 million just for toothpicks at the craft service table. But yes, it seems United Artists decided to pull the plug on Ralph B. anyway.

Shrug.

In any event, Christopher Tolkien gave his opinion with respect to the final product, just like other critics, and not [that I'm aware of] based on a question narrowed to elicit comments merely about the difficulty of being able to finish all three films (not that you said he had)...

... if he had been asked something like that, I'm guessing he might have had little problem saying something like: "While the project was an admirable undertaking as far as logistics (and so on) are concerned, the films themselves nonetheless turned out to be yucky adaptations in far too much measure...

... just like Elthir says."


Well... maybe not in those exact words Smile

CJRT probably doesn't know I exist either.


(This post was edited by Elthir on Mar 15 2017, 10:16pm)


Elthir
Grey Havens

Mar 15 2017, 10:27pm

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consulting mediums [In reply to] Can't Post

"... but his [Jackson's "Flight to the Ford" was awful."

Amen. And here's another good example: Jackson noted his reason for this change, a reason based on the differences in mediums...

... but even if his concerns are all or mostly agreed upon (that's if), the specific way he chose to solve his problem is by no means the only way (obviously), nor even the best "filmic" way, in someone's opinion.

I can think of a "much better" way (subjective as that gets, or at least an arguably more book based way) to introduce Arwen even earlier than Jackson did, to introduce this part of the tale.

But... too late now Wink


ange1e4e5
Rohan

Mar 20 2017, 1:32am

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Strange. [In reply to] Can't Post

If you just looked at Wizzardly's quote, Christopher doesn't have respect for the films.

I always follow my job through.


Elthir
Grey Havens

Mar 20 2017, 1:59am

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you will be assimilated [the Borg, but not Bjorn] [In reply to] Can't Post

To my mind there's nothing strange about giving an honest criticism that speaks to the heart of what Christopher Tolkien cares about here...

... a faithful adaptation, and media-colonization.

CJRT's comments are relatively brief and to the point. Do you honestly expect him to simply say he "respects" these films on the whole, due to the arguable difficulty of making and finishing them...

... when compared to the Hollywood-gutting product that Christopher Tolkien thinks Peter Jackson produced?


ange1e4e5
Rohan

Mar 20 2017, 2:12am

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He could have done a better way of doing a faithful adaptation with keeping the rights. [In reply to] Can't Post

J.K. Rowling had a good strategy when the Harry Potter films were made: she keeps the rights and she approves whatever changes the filmmakers make.

But I guess Christopher doesn't like Harry Potter for the same reason he doesn't like the Middle Earth films.

I always follow my job through.

(This post was edited by ange1e4e5 on Mar 20 2017, 2:13am)


Elthir
Grey Havens

Mar 20 2017, 2:24am

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the film rights were out of Christopher Tolkien's hands... [In reply to] Can't Post

... long before Peter Jackson came along.

In any case.


ange1e4e5
Rohan

Mar 20 2017, 2:27am

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I'm talking about when someone wants to do The Silmarillion in whole or in part as a film or tv series; Christopher still has the rights to that. [In reply to] Can't Post

 

I always follow my job through.


Elthir
Grey Havens

Mar 20 2017, 2:33am

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Well, you wrote... [In reply to] Can't Post

... he "could have done..." suggesting to me that you meant The Lord of the Rings films, which is also what we were discussing...

... Christopher Tolkien's public reaction to the films that were made.

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