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BuckyUnderbelly
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Apr 25 2008, 4:22pm
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... maybe ... the production team will agree to leave the plantings in the ground and the all of the set pieces in place after they complete their filming. Wouldn't it be great if the location could then live on as a more "finished" attraction, rather than a handful of concrete holes cut into the grassy hillside?
"In Hollywood the screenplay is a fire hydrant. And there's a line of dogs around the block." -- Frank Miller
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Nazguy
Bree
Apr 25 2008, 4:35pm
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I like his description of the new films as having a 'golden' feel to them. I just know he's going to do a great job.
Departed from the old TORN a few years ago...
Well, I'm back. And still trying to get used to the new look :)
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burrahobbit
Rohan
Apr 25 2008, 4:41pm
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It's a wonderful interview, with lots of good signs and encouragement, particularly about the bridge film. And it's far to early for anything to be set in stone.
But... I think that animatronics are often the lamest type of special effects on screen. Typically they look plastic rather than organic, are restricted in their movement and fail to have the life, animation and energy that a convincing onscreen creature needs. It's very difficult to see the technology being revolutionised in the next few years. I thought the pioneering work done in Lord of the Rings of using a live actor (Andy Serkis) to guide the CGI was a perfect match, and hope they'll stick to this.
Anyway, there's too much good news to dwell on this minor point. Just hope WETA set Guillermo along the best course for the film.
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grammaboodawg
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Apr 25 2008, 4:51pm
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del Toro's commentary on Pan's Labyrinth, because now I can actually hear his voice as I read his interview! I get the same safe feeling with him that I have with Peter Jackson. He's got integrity and savvy, but he's also still child-like enough that his imagination is free and articulate ;)
...so for the second movie we sat down and worked it out. When we did this we got really excited because this second film is not a ‘tag on’, it’s not ‘filler’, it’s an integral part of telling the story of those 50 years of history lost in the narrative.
I can't help it! When I read this, I started crying all over again. I feel like I've run an emotional marathon; but I wouldn't change it for the world!
I KNEW IT! They're restoring Hobbiton! Part of me is bummed that tourists can't get in there since they planted for a whole year in advance for LotR, but the majority of me is SO THRILLED that the Shire will be alive again! *tears again*
When I become part of a world that I love, such as this, I really come with a lot of enthusiasm and hard work, and we know we are recreating and creating a world that is part of the mythos of millions of people and we will approach it as passionately and respectfully as it needs to be taken."
*still shaken and stirred* And all my dreams have come true.
Thank you Xoanon. This was a wonderful interview with an approach that addressed anything I was concerned about. And I appreciate so much that Mr. del Toro answered each with honesty, enthusiasm and an obvious understanding of what we needed to know. Obviously, he's talked deeply and often with our NZ Filmic Family and embraces the incredible union between Tolkien's works and these films and us :) I'm not worried at all now. Trust Peter and Guillermo. No problem. Except for one. Gotta figure out a new footer.
 
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!
"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."
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Radhruin
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Apr 25 2008, 5:01pm
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If those deflated ticks borrowed from Stars Wars posing as wargs are canon, well then I'm a monkey's uncle. Yuck. 
"A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it."
~Chesterton
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agutierrez20
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Apr 25 2008, 5:25pm
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GDT uses animatronics in a really cool way, check out "Samael" from the first Hellboy or some of the "reapers" from Blade 2.
You will not be dissapointed.
Cheers!
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randallsadler
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Apr 25 2008, 5:31pm
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While I agree that Ian Holm did a wonderful job as Biblo in LOTR, I'm afraid that he just does not work for The Hobbit.  When Bilbo begins his journey he is supposed to be about the same age as when Frodo later began his journey. According to Ian Holm's bio, he was born in 1931, which would put him at around 77 years old. A pity, but I just don't see any way around this issue.
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BlueMan
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Apr 25 2008, 5:35pm
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- who's going to be the DP! That's the one question I longed for that was not answered by Xoanens adorable interview! (Thx again!)
The other question I wonder about is who's gonna be Bilbo. But I guess even Guillermo doesn't know that yet. ;)
Martin Freeman WOULD be great.But I'm very much open to anything GDT and PJ come up with. I completely believe in their artistic abilities!
EDIT: Oh - I wanted to add: I think the DP is going to be Guillermo Navarro. I'm pretty sure he will be, actually. GDT and Navarro have worked so often together (even on GDT's first, Cronos) and there is a trsut between them that I believe is very important for the crucial relationship of a cinematographer and a director. He would be great!!!! I Love Andrew's work very much - but I think I'd prefer to see Navarro light and shoot this particular film for this particular director - The Hobbit by GDT!
Raptos a diis homines dici ...
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Kangi Ska
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Apr 25 2008, 5:38pm
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Roads go ever ever on,
Over rock and under tree,
By caves where never sun has shone,
By streams that never find the sea;
Over snow by winter sown,
And through the merry flowers of June,
Over grass and over stone,
And under mountains of the moon.
Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star,
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.
'The Road Goes Ever On' by J.R.R.Tolkein
From the Hobbit:
It will be good to get back to the shire.
P.S. Those concerned about wargs please keep in mind,
Saruman was doing genetic experiments thus the Uruk Hai.
Those were not wild wargs but wargs "improved" by the fallen wizard.
I am sure the wild wargs are closer to being wolves.
Kangi Ska
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Voorhas
Lorien
Apr 25 2008, 6:13pm
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Well, the faun in Pan's Labyrinth was a combination of facial animatronics, prosthetic make-up (applied to the great Doug Jones) and CGI (which painted out part of the actor's lower legs). Similar techniques were used on the Pale Man in the same film. Looked pretty flawless in both instances.
"They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night." -- E.A. Poe
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BuckyUnderbelly
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Apr 25 2008, 6:20pm
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Yeah, the Wargs were one of my few disappointments with the Trilogy ...
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But the good news is, PJ didn't like how they turned out either. He said (I belive on the DVD commentary) that he was disappointed with the whole Warg sequence and that he didn't like how the creature design turned out. But the production was under crazy time and money constraints at that point in they had to nip some corners.
So that means he'll have a great opportunity for a do-over with Wargs in The Hobbit. 
Because this time they're working with considerably bigger budgets (the same $300 million budget, but they're making one fewer movie) and they seem to be taking a lot longer in pre-production. And I'm sure they learned LOTS of other tough lessons on the LOTR shoot that they'll be applying to this one!
"In Hollywood the screenplay is a fire hydrant. And there's a line of dogs around the block." -- Frank Miller
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maut
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Apr 25 2008, 6:27pm
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WOW! Its so good! I'm a new here, though I 've read this forum for some days. But this is exscelent, esp. about Sir Ian! I like him as Gandalf so much!
One Ring to rule them all,
one Ring to find them,
oneRing to bring them all,
and in darkness bind them!
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel,
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!
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merklynn
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Apr 25 2008, 7:14pm
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Okay, what the heck is the sprequel going to be about then?
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I'm seriously confused now... so you're saying they can't film/adapt the Quest of Erebor, even though a lighter version is in the LOTR appendixes? What the heck is the sprequel going to be about then? What sort of advanture will it be telling? I want explanations people!
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mwirkk
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Apr 25 2008, 7:36pm
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...to do that? Creating a new book based off a movie, which itself can only be made based of of rights for a specific purpose. I am, admittedly, ignorant of all the legal minutia of the contracts involved, but unless it were approved by The Estate and Tolkien's publishers I would think this would be a rather tricky copyrights issue.
Anyway, the possibility is News to me, and this is just my initial reaction. :)
-mwirkk :)
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mwirkk
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Apr 25 2008, 7:49pm
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Two words I would pile on here...
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...PRODUCTION DIARIES!!! :)
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NottaSackville
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Apr 25 2008, 8:00pm
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That interview just got me so incredibly excited about the movies!
I've been watching the Hobbit development with mild eagerness up 'til now, but now ohmyohmyohmy I'm all on board!
Notta
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labadal
Rivendell
Apr 25 2008, 8:02pm
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I went mad when i heard the GDT was directing but to have Sir Ian McKellan and Andy Serkis back makes the prospect of the films so much better! I can't wait!!!!
Take what you can, give nothing back!
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Compa_Mighty
Tol Eressea
Apr 25 2008, 9:21pm
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That started here in the forums, it was said that if they have the rights to license action figures, PEZ dispensers, etc... they *could* have the rights to release a movie tie-in.
Of course it's tricky with the Estate and all... but knowing what we know, it's a possibility.
Here's to Del Toro becoming the Irvin Kershner of Middle Earth!
Essay winner of the Show us your Hobbit Pride Giveway!
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Compa_Mighty
Tol Eressea
Apr 25 2008, 9:26pm
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Oh if it's in the Appendices...
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They CAN do it. It should be a tricky thing. They *could* get into troubleif the use anything not expressly said in the Appendices but used in other works, such as The Quest for Erebor, just to give an example: if there's two pieces of dialogue (one in the appendices and the other one in Erebor), they'd have to stick to the Appendices version, for using the Erebor dialogue would be using material for a written work they do not have rights to.
It's really tricky... but they should do fine with it.
Here's to Del Toro becoming the Irvin Kershner of Middle Earth!
Essay winner of the Show us your Hobbit Pride Giveway!
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burrahobbit
Rohan
Apr 25 2008, 9:50pm
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I enjoyed the effects in Pan's Labyrinth, especially the integration of CGI with physical effects. I'd say the core of what made the faun and the Pale Man successful and 'alive' was like you say the great live actors performance.
The thing about The Hobbit is that the creatures are much less humanoid than these. Smaug can't related directly to an onset actor, and needs an amazing range of snake like movement and part human/part reptilian expressions and acting. CGI seems like a much more flexible tool for this to me. Spiders and eagles move in ways that animatronic techniques would find difficult to replicate. Perhaps the trolls and Beorn would be more suitable for this approach.
I guess my impression of animatronics is a bit dated, but the unconvincing effects in films like Jurassic Park and TV sci-fi have not sold it to me.
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mwirkk
Rohan
Apr 25 2008, 10:30pm
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If they *were* to do some Production Diaries (I really, really hope GdT, PJ and TORn are up for another round!), PJ could get back at Gandalf for his disruptive behaviour back in 2004 (KKPD#36) by having Lumpy (KKPD#22) dog his tracks when he thinks no one's watching while he's off cavorting with the White Council. >8P
-mwirkk :)
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Kyriel
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Apr 25 2008, 10:40pm
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*breaks open a box of Depends*
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Anyone else about to wet their pants already? 
Those left standing will make millions writing books on the way it should have been. --Incubus
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mwirkk
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Apr 25 2008, 10:48pm
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..., apart from concern over the outcome of the current talks between NL and TE, is that they get Christopher Lee back. His, I am anticipating, is going to be a crucial role in the 2nd movie (can't call it "bridge" anymore, I hear). I never has any doubts that McKellen and Serkis would be back. I think Alan Lee is pretty keen to be involved again also. Likewise, I would like to see John Howe come back -- I don't know if he's come out recently with his ideas about that, but unless he's already booked for the next 4 years I can't imagine he wouldn't. I would also like to see them re-offer to Ted Naismith the opportunity to get involved this time.
-mwirkk :)
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Sunflower
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Apr 25 2008, 11:01pm
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as was Yoda in a way.
You could have knocked me out with a feather when I read that Pan was not CGI, but Doug Jones in a suit with animatronic facial features. Looking back on it, there is not way that Pan could ever have been CGI. He moved like a real creature.
I think what GDT means by " animatronic" is to bring back and revitalize the sadly lost art of movie puppetry, but of course with a modern twist. (If Jim Henson were still alive, he'd have tears in his eyes.Looks like PL won't be the only film I'll be re-watching..time to dig out my 25th anniversary edition of "The Dark Crystal" too!  And I am sure the result will knock our socks off! It will be amazing....if PJ "invented" the art of live-action. to mo-cap with Andy Serkis, in a sense enhancing CGI technology, Del Toro will (re-)invent a new art form of "puppetry" and CGI Yes, I KNOW animatroics is not the same as puppetry but in essence that's what it tries to be, and sometimes is.(Interesting if the technolgy had been used 28 yrs ago with Yoda...instead of him being pure puppet....has it really been that long?),
There is a new technolgy of CGI immersing real actors that is struggling to be born...aided by the increasing conversion of film to digital..."Beowulf" is evidence of this. I wonder if Del Toro is in a sesne reacting to that, and that if he is successful in his effrots, we could witness a revisionsm in film slightily back to favoring actors and the "human element" again.
Not to knock PJ OF COURSE....I mean, only what his successors have done, and the what they are trying to do..the direction film seems to be going in.
Reading Doug Jones's website is VERY informative. He has a FANTASTIC WEBSITE.....you can link to it on DelToroFilms.com.
Oh me, oh my, SO MUCH SO MUCH!!! Where do I start?????
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Frodo Hoy
Bree
Apr 25 2008, 11:09pm
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I read the interview.
This is the alpha point (as in beginning) for me in feeling jacked and pumped about this film. GDT is a good fit, there will be consistency with the Gandalf and Gollum characters, there is an affirmation and commitment for continuity. Yet, there are still thoughts of innovation and thoughts of a different feel - more golden. It sounds like a good plan to me - count me as one more thrilled fan.
"From some way off, or so it seemed, he thought he heard a cry: 'Hoy! Frodo! Hoy!' .. 'Frodo! Hoy!' came the thin voices out of the mist."
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