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An open letter to the Hobbit forum

Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Mar 2 2016, 10:03am

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An open letter to the Hobbit forum Can't Post

 I've noticed a lot of frustration and repetition in this forum lately - well, not just lately. It's been long enough that there are probably people here who don't remember it being any other way. But there's a lot of taking of "sides" and drawing up of lines, and I've noticed a lot of people making exasperated commentary on other fans, regardless of the topic. Specifically, a lot of labeling into "apologists" or "defenders" of one sort or another. It's my observation, based on nearly 16 years' membership on this forum, that nobody here is actually defending either Peter Jackson or Tolkien, though I have heard some claim that they are, and many accuse others of trying to. Neither Tolkien nor Jackson need defending (both were/are perfectly aware that their work was not going to be to everyone's taste), nor are any of us authorized or charged with their defense. They each produced a work and put it out into the world, and the work itself is not in any way altered by anyone's opinions of it. It remains there, on the bookshelf or the media shelf, exactly as it was made.

What people actually end up defending is themselves: their own loves, their own preferences, their own tastes, their own experience or perception or interpretation. Each person loves what they love, and hates what they hate and we all end up identifying with and investing a part of ourselves in those things. I think most people, if not all, feel happier and more secure when they find people who share the same likes and dislikes, and that is what many people come here looking for. The problem is that they arrive and find that their assumptions about how other fans will align with them are mistaken. Because we as fans personally identify with the things we love, because they have affected us deeply in some way, opposing opinions feel personal. In the case of the movies, elements of the adaptation also feel personal, whether we felt they were transcendent or terrible. This only becomes a problem when people get their reactions mixed up with the thing itself and start criticizing or blaming others for not reacting the same way. Many are surprised, shocked, or otherwise made uncomfortable by viewpoints that it never even occurred to them that anyone could seriously hold, and so they are not satisfied with an exchange of ideas, or even the expression of their own - they feel they need to somehow correct the ideas and preferences of others. And then those they "correct" feel the need to defend themselves or correct the other person in turn. There's a certain inner desperation at the thought that we (whatever opinions we hold) may find ourselves in a minority or disregarded and the thing that we love will somehow be lost or devalued or trampled along the way.

Next thing you know, everyone feels unwelcome and put upon. This is true no matter what "side" people find themselves on, and both sides in the same conversation feel exactly the same frustration at the wrongness of the other person(s) and their inability to just let them have their say. As a Moderator, I know of what I speak. I hear the same laments from both sides. Everybody feels like the "balance" is skewed in favor of the other side. Everyone. We take agreement for granted (because of course...) and disagreement hits us hard, so the disagreement seems greater, no matter what the actual numbers are. We tend to only feel secure, or that things are truly balanced, when they're skewed at least a little in our favor. And it means that an awful lot of people approach conversation as a tug-of-war, or keep score, afraid to let anyone else have the last word lest they "win".

Diversity is an idea we tend to praise right up until we realize that it means others will actually be annoyingly different and keep on being annoyingly different, never coming around to our (obviously correct or I wouldn't hold it, stands to reason) point of view. We all want others to love the things we love as much as we love them and in the same way, because then we could share it. But often that doesn't happen. If there is one thing I have learned from being part of this community, it's that many people will love the things I hate, be touched by things that leave me cold, and somehow manage to be supremely oblivious to things, both major and minor, that I love passionately. But everyone is here because they love - the books, the movies, or both.

So may I encourage everyone: While talking about what you love or don't, pay attention to whether you're falling into the habit of telling someone else what and how they should think or be. Because it's not your job to make them be like you, even if you're right, and they won't appreciate it any more than you do when it goes the other way. Nobody here represents a block of opinion, or a monolith of sentiment - we are all individuals and between us we cover pretty much the whole spectrum of opinions on any given question. That's what drives debate and discussions and keeps them interesting, but it need not make them antagonistic. Your fellow fans may have weird tastes, be incomprehensible in their reasoning, and have their priorities all out of order (compared to yours), but they're not your enemy. It's always a good idea to remind ourselves how much common ground we share when differences start to feel like they're filling up all the space.

Silverlode

Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.




(This post was edited by Silverlode on Mar 20 2016, 11:24am)


BlackFox
Half-elven


Mar 2 2016, 1:25pm

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*mods up* // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



Eruonen
Valinor


Mar 2 2016, 3:15pm

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Well stated. [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Ettelewen
Rohan

Mar 2 2016, 4:35pm

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This. [In reply to] Can't Post

"Diversity is an idea we tend to praise right up until we realize that it means others will actually be annoyingly different and keep on being annoyingly different, never coming around to our (obviously correct or I wouldn't hold it, stands to reason) point of view."

Very profound, and quite true. Thanks Silverlode.


Starling
Half-elven


Mar 2 2016, 5:27pm

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Wise words. [In reply to] Can't Post

Thank you, Silverlode. This is thought provoking and beautifully articulated.

I think maybe that's just one of the reasons you are one of our really rather terrific mods. Smile




RosieLass
Valinor


Mar 2 2016, 5:48pm

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Yes. [In reply to] Can't Post

We are all entitled to our own opinions, and we are NOT entitled to try to force people to conform to our opinions.

I feel like I need to cut and paste this post on my Facebook page, but change it from Tolkien/Jackson to conservative/liberal/Republican/Democrat. You are never going to change anyone's mind if all you do is sling insults and put them down because they think differently than you do.

"Being negative only makes a difficult journey more difficult. You may be given a cactus, but you don't have to sit on it."
--Joyce Meyer

A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP
--Leonard Nimoy

(This post was edited by RosieLass on Mar 2 2016, 5:48pm)


TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
Rohan


Mar 2 2016, 6:06pm

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Golden, right here [In reply to] Can't Post

 

"And you can trust me. Because I don't care enough about you to lie."
- Parks and Recreation


dormouse
Half-elven


Mar 2 2016, 6:46pm

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You're absolutely right.... [In reply to] Can't Post

...well said, and sorry, Silverlode.

For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .


Darkstone
Immortal


Mar 2 2016, 7:19pm

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So.... [In reply to] Can't Post

...when we discuss things on TORn we should do so in a way that reflects Tolkien's themes of love, humility, brotherhood, tolerance, and forgiveness?

******************************************

I met a Balrog on the stair.
He had some wings that weren't there.
They weren't there again today.
I wish he would just fly away.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Mar 2 2016, 8:22pm

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Agreed... [In reply to] Can't Post

I've tried not to be confrontational, but I can't say that I've always completely succeeded. I can only try to do better.

"Things need not to have happened to be true.
Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure
when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."


- Dream of the Endless


Lily Fairbairn
Half-elven


Mar 2 2016, 8:33pm

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Not only what Silverlode said... [In reply to] Can't Post

...but what Rosie said, too. I felt the same way when I read the words of wisdom from our esteemed moderator!

Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing?
Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing?
Where is the hand on the harpstring, and the red fire glowing?
Where is the spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing?
They have passed like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow;
The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow....


Bracegirdle
Valinor


Mar 2 2016, 10:49pm

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Thank you Silverlode - Well said! [In reply to] Can't Post

I confess to being as guilty as anyone (perhaps guiltier than most) of being single-minded and a bit argumentative when trying to get a point across. The written word or posting can quite often be misinterpreted as it can be difficult (for me at least) to put into a single posting one’s true feelings, whereas were the participants in disagreement in a physical face-to-face their thoughts could quickly be concluded (whether or not they come to an agreement).

Ok, I agree with all you have said!!
It’s what you haven’t said that may need to be addressed. I believe that there are occasions of a ‘line-in-the-sand’, of a definite right and a definite wrong. A silly case in point might be a ‘newbie’ (or anyone) that says, “Gandalf is an Elf.”. Should we feel free to correct that person or should we let this error slide for fear that the poster would be personally offended or of Mod. chastisement? Of course, in this case, the error should be addressed, but hopefully with thoughtfulness. As Darkstone hints, should all be “love, humility, brotherhood, tolerance, and forgiveness”? Then all of TORn may become a sweet hug-fest with little substance.

And I hope the above paragraph is not taken as a slam as it is not intended so.
Nevertheless, I’m with Otaku and shall try to do better.

I sang of leaves, of leaves of gold, and leaves of
gold there grew:
Of wind I sang, a wind there came and in the branches
blew.




TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
Rohan


Mar 2 2016, 11:52pm

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I would hope we can correct that [In reply to] Can't Post

It would be way more in line with love than letting that person believe falsely forever.

If not, God help us all.

"And you can trust me. Because I don't care enough about you to lie."
- Parks and Recreation


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Mar 3 2016, 1:09am

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Opinions are different than facts, of course. [In reply to] Can't Post

If the disagreement is over a factual error, then yes, of course the error may be pointed out - as you said, preferably reasonably politely and without additional disparaging remarks on the intellectual capacity of the person who made the error. Citing sources is always welcome as well, especially if the source is not universally known (not everyone has read HOME or the Letters, for example). Usually errors of fact can be cleared up fairly quickly by referring back to the source, and debates over text and canon can usually be carried on without personal animosity (which is one reason the Mods rarely need to intervene in the Reading Room).

But most of the arguments we have here, especially the ones that seem to go on and on and create such a contentious atmosphere, are based on differences of opinion or perception. That's where my post was aimed. There is a large area where interpretation bears a larger part than fact.

It gets most complicated when people get into the area of adaptation, i.e. "how things were/should have been done". That's where people often begin trying to campaign or convert others to their own point of view. When we read the books, each person envisions what the text is describing. While we're all reading the same words, our imaginations mix those with our own memories, knowledge, experiences, and interpretations so that the resulting mental images can be very different indeed. To take a classic example: Balrog wings. There are several brief descriptions in the text, and yet people have managed to interpret and envision them in very different ways. I, personally, am firmly in the "metaphorical wings" camp. While I may engage in a debate with others who read it differently or first encountered the Balrog on the movie screen, if I made it personal and wouldn't let it go, bringing it up on all occasions, and making remarks about the kind of people who held other views, I could quickly make a real nuisance of myself while convincing no one. In the end, I must let others hold their interpretations as I expect them to allow me mine. Because, in addition to those who simply interpret the text differently, there are also those who approach the question with a different priority, and they don't care about parsing the text because it's cooler with the wings and they just like it better. My #1 priority: What Tolkien Meant. Their #1 priority: The Visual Awesomeness Factor. It's not going to do any good to tell them they shouldn't rank that high on their list because it isn't high on mine, or vice versa. They're just going to go on being annoyingly different.

For some who get a great deal of enjoyment from visuals, the practical effects or CGI are one of the most important things in a film, and if they aren't up to their standard it ruins their enjoyment, while another person only needs them to move the story along and not distract them, and as long as they do that, it's all good. There is no right/wrong there, and in the end, they simply experience the same thing in very different ways. You can't tell the people who love Visuals to ignore them, nor can you tell the people who are all about Story that they must become analytical and critical of technical details that don't interfere with their enjoyment.

For each person, something about the story resonates deeply with them - but what that is is different for different people. One person's very favorite thing may have been left out, or changed somehow, and they feel the loss of it every time they watch. For another, an addition or change may speak directly to something deep in them, and they are likely to feel that no matter how different it is from the text, it still conveys the spirit of it because it touches the same spot in them that the book does. Is the spirit of the books/movies friendship, courage, loyalty, adventure, sacrifice, fear of death, or good vs. evil? Yes. But each person will rank those in a different order of importance, and add some categories of their own. We get a lot of people arguing hotly that other people don't value their own #1 priority enough, or that they have ranked something ridiculously high which ought to be at the bottom of the list. We needn't grudge people their enjoyment just because it isn't ours and we didn't get it all our own way.

Silverlode

Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.




TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
Rohan


Mar 3 2016, 3:04am

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I think you said [In reply to] Can't Post

Just about all that can be said. Nicely done.

"And you can trust me. Because I don't care enough about you to lie."
- Parks and Recreation


Bracegirdle
Valinor


Mar 3 2016, 4:21am

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And seconded !! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

I sang of leaves, of leaves of gold, and leaves of
gold there grew:
Of wind I sang, a wind there came and in the branches
blew.




TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
Rohan


Mar 3 2016, 4:46am

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Now if we could just all agree [In reply to] Can't Post

"The Hobbit" is an amazing trilogy, we'd be on the right track.




Wink

"And you can trust me. Because I don't care enough about you to lie."
- Parks and Recreation


Kim
Valinor


Mar 3 2016, 5:05am

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Thank you [In reply to] Can't Post

I've been mostly lurking on TH forum recently due in large part to this issue popping up in many posts. I hope we can move back towards just discussing what we like or dislike about the movies without reverting to making disparaging remarks about others here. That's what makes us different from most of the other forums and a place I want to visit on a daily basis. Smile


Bombadil
Half-elven


Mar 3 2016, 5:44am

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" THANG you Berry buch"..Dear Silverlode.. [In reply to] Can't Post

...Your
Bomby dropped out
back in October
because of
thizzz very
Thingie..?

Seemed that
sum would
start sum topic..

THEN?
Jus' Sit back &
watch the
word battles..ensue

NEVER to come
BACK to their topic
Ever again.

TIS..NOT worth the
aggravation to
argue....

THizz izz Your Bombyzz
first time to visit TORn in
@least 5 monthzz...

SOoo it seemz
not much hazz evolved...
Since then...?

xo...oxo...
bom
Crazy

www.charlie-art.biz
"What Your Mind can conceive... charlie can achieve"


Nuradar
Rohan


Mar 3 2016, 12:34pm

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Thank you Silverlode. Well put. [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Dame Ioreth
Tol Eressea


Mar 3 2016, 1:37pm

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See? *This* is why we pay her the big bucks. [In reply to] Can't Post

Wink

Thank you to Silverlode and the rest of the Modars for keeping our sandbox civil. Smile

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Heed WBA when building blanket forts.
ITLs don't get enough FAS. :)

Where there's life there's hope, and need of vittles.
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings






entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Mar 3 2016, 2:58pm

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Wonderfully put, Silverlode! [In reply to] Can't Post

One of the things I love about TORn is the passionate, intelligent, funny, friendly people and the discussions that occur. While most of us will take your words to heart, I think we all know that sometimes a member participates merely to stir the pot and cause trouble. They are usually easy to spot, and no matter how good our intentions, we sometimes find ourselves drawn in and start an argument. Remember, that's what this person wants, and the best response is to deny them what they're looking for and ignore them (although there are some of you here who are outstanding at using humor to de-fang the trolls).


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Mar 3 2016, 4:49pm

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Don't tell her!!! [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
See? *This* is why we pay her the big bucks.


Geez! Now she might try to claim them. Unsure

"Things need not to have happened to be true.
Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure
when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."


- Dream of the Endless


Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Mar 3 2016, 8:23pm

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No worries [In reply to] Can't Post

Her check is in the mail. Wink


Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.



"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower

"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase





Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Mar 3 2016, 8:24pm

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Brava! [In reply to] Can't Post

This post should be required reading. Very, very well said. HeartSmile


Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.



"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower

"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase





sador
Half-elven


Mar 4 2016, 10:48am

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Welcome back! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Mar 5 2016, 6:16am

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Well said, Silverlode, and may I say... [In reply to] Can't Post

...that I continue to be utterly impressed with how well you and the other moderators keep this ship sailing smoothly. Even what passes for anger or fighting on here pales in comparison to what I see on other boards (some of which I cautiously belong to). It gets to the point that even the moderators in those places (that shall not be named Evil) get involved in the down and dirty behavior. In contrast to that, you guys are the very image of professionalism, and you inspire the rest of us to follow suit.

I'm not exactly squeaky clean on the matter of the things you've discussed here Tongue, but I do try my best, as do many others here. TORN has been, and continues to be, the most pleasant and inviting community on the net. Heart

"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
- Viggo Mortensen

(This post was edited by Aragorn the Elfstone on Mar 5 2016, 6:17am)


Cirashala
Tol Eressea


Mar 6 2016, 3:07am

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Brava, my dear Silverlode! [In reply to] Can't Post

This was amazing!

I haven't been a frequent on TH boards lately (or TORn for that matter) due to illness, but I occasionally pop back in here even for a quick peek when my headaches aren't too bad (I hate sinus infections Pirate). But I feel the same as you- TH board has gotten really, well....boring, unless one enjoys constant bickering that's been resounded so often one could recite it in their sleep.

I do not want to see TH board disappear because people aren't bothering to post anything of substantiation on it (this one excepting, obviously). It's sad that after three and a half years, give or take, the SAME arguments still abound Unsure

Thank you and the other mods for your dedication and commitment to TORn. I was going to do a mod appreciation post in Feedback the other day before my headache got the best of me, but it seems I no longer need to. You guys are so amazing! I'm humbled by all the work you do to keep these boards a place where lovers of Middle-earth can converse and debate (respectfully) even though many of you hold full time jobs and don't get paid a cent for it.

So here's a standing ovation for you all! Heart



(This post was edited by Cirashala on Mar 6 2016, 3:08am)


Cirashala
Tol Eressea


Mar 6 2016, 3:17am

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Can we sticky this? [In reply to] Can't Post

I think these words have been quite applicable for a long time, and that it is something that should be considered required reading up top before one ventures onto TH boards Smile



Michelle Johnston
Rohan


Apr 3 2016, 12:04pm

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Thank you for your dedication to the site. [In reply to] Can't Post

I have been thinking for several months I must return to the site and thank those guys that run One Ring and this thread seems ideal.

However just about a week ago I found the one other discussion board I have contributed to making exactly the same points you have made so elequently and so well in your post.

I am older than most posters and take a more systemic view of internet behaviour. One of the things I have learned for myself is do not come to these boards looking for relaxation after a busy day. I am probably more careful and thoughtful about what I write on these two boards than when dealing with my business interests. Thats because I am determined to explain whatever point I make properly. On both sites I find if you are going to be critical you have to have the highest standard of care in your observations because both sites include a number of personalities who have taken it upon themselves the role of "defender of the faith". If, because I operate on a case by case basis, I say some thing positive I find the alternative responses much less overbearing. For example in 2013 I really encouraged people to take a wait and see approach with the films and offered open ended support and lets see what transpires operating on a half full rather than half empty approach. I had some very nice exchanges with people who decided one film gave them all they needed to know and disappeared.

When the full picture emerged for me I realised my open mindedness was not rewarded and the films have got steadly worse in my mind. Your Green Dragons's review of the final film sits just about where I sit. But I did find when I tried to explain my concerns the "defenders of the faith" either minimised, dismissed or argued the facts. If people want to share their disappointment why not, it isn't compulsory for people to try and minimise and neutralise an opposing view. I do appreciate of course that argument can work both ways but for me I do not find people who take an opposing view in the negative an issue indeed I like to listen and understand why and most of them are decent thoughtful people who make a good case from their perspective.

In summary I find those that really enjoy the films and think they are on the whole great are much less willing to listen and I think I know why, this second trilogy has not captured the imagination of the public like the first. I noticed, having spent the winter in New Zealand, it was never mentioned in the many locations I spent time at and when I took a helicopter to treble cones as part of a themed afternoon either people were disinterested or unenthusiastic and that was the staff volunteering their views I said not a word. For me its the silence that tells me what I think the reaction is.

As a task orientated person the task is now complete and I have learned even at my age what I am looking for from a film and deepened my appreciation for Tolkien as a result of following the making of these movies.

But to finish I really do want to say i for one am pleased I had the chance in 2012 to 2014 to share Tolkien with others. My entire Tolkien experience since I left school has been in a vacuum of one so it has been good to meet others.

I am most grateful and when I, tired, have become more difficult myself I appreciated the quiet and sensitive input from your team.

My Dear Bilbo something is the matter with you! you are not the same hobbit that you were.

(This post was edited by Michelle Johnston on Apr 3 2016, 12:09pm)


Ugly Troll
Bree


Apr 17 2016, 7:02pm

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Such is the world we live in [In reply to] Can't Post

here and everyday. At least the Nazgul are only in their own minds.


You and all your fellow mods/admins are amazing. I don't know how you've done this for so long, but your love for JRRT is amazing.


Thank you (all)


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Apr 17 2016, 11:31pm

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Ugly Troll! [In reply to] Can't Post

Long time no see, old timer! I hope all is well with you and GalTX. Cool

Silverlode

Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.




dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Apr 17 2016, 11:57pm

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UT? [In reply to] Can't Post

Long time since we've last seen your delightful avatar! Do come by more often! Smile


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"I desired dragons with a profound desire"


LittleHobbit
Lorien

Sep 4 2016, 10:44pm

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I agree with your post, Silverlode... [In reply to] Can't Post

and there is really nothing I can add to it! Cool


Mari D.
Bree


Aug 18, 10:20am

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Wow [In reply to] Can't Post

Reading your two long posts, Silverlode, I was amazed and delighted at all the insights. As I like psychological stuff, very interesting how you describe both sides in a dispute and how they interact. And then to analyze myself and spot where maybe I'm still prone to a certain behaviour described.
Want to read the texts more often to get that balanced attitude myself Blush

 
 

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