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Bofur01
Lorien
Nov 6 2014, 6:58pm
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There seems to be a statue-like thing over Galadriel and Gandalf, in the shot with the Nine... It looks like it's holding a palantír!
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Bree
Nov 6 2014, 6:59pm
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or you could simply watch a trailer like a normal person
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And not freeze frame it, saying it's terrible, when the film isn't even done yet.
I will show you revenge...
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Darkstone
Immortal
Nov 6 2014, 7:00pm
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...in a cardboad box with old gift wrap tubes for cannons. Yes, very tragic.
****************************************** I met a Balrog on the stair. He had some wings that weren't there. They weren't there again today. I wish he would just fly away.
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BlackFox
Half-elven
Nov 6 2014, 7:00pm
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O December, where art thou?
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea
Nov 6 2014, 7:00pm
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Surprised by the focus on CGI in reactions...
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...because first and foremost I was overwhelmed by all the drama in the trailer. Not that people aren't entitled to focus/criticize on whatever pops out to them, because certainly they are. I just didn't come away from this myself reacting to the VFX. It was all the moments, i.e.: "You gave a promise...", "You cannot see what you have become", "Leave Sauron to ME", etc. that made an immediate impression on me. That said, I think the VFX are pretty spectacular myself, aside from literally one or two bits that could use a little more work.
"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that." - Viggo Mortensen
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Guert
Rivendell
Nov 6 2014, 7:01pm
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SARUMAN : "Leave Sauron to me" That is some real stuff happening isn't it ? And this shots with the ghoslty armored Nazguls surrounding Gandalf and Galadriel. And all those character moments... Bilbo, DWALIN !!! This line was so heartbreaking... Bard, Gandalf... Elrond drawing his sword, Legolas fighting Bolg. This film will be awesome, I'm sure.
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TheSexyBeard
Lorien
Nov 6 2014, 7:01pm
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I just assumed Legolas would win round 2. Bolg could win, and knock Legolas away, or the fight could be intervened by something. I'm guessing Bolg attacks Tauriel and Legolas jumps in, or the other way round (Tauriel is crouching over a body in one shot, you can see the feet).
Yes, my username is terrible.
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macfalk
Valinor
Nov 6 2014, 7:01pm
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1. What is Gandalf saying in the end? 2. Is this CGI finished? I hope they patch it up a little bit because some of it looks pretty unfinished. That troll was pretty damn ugly.
The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.
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Smaug's Fire
The Shire
Nov 6 2014, 7:02pm
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It's been a year or so since I last read the Hobbit, so if I am being forgetful, correct me! 1. What is Thranduil coming to reclaim? 2. "This is the last move in a master plan.." What? What plan? Sauron's? Where are those Orcs going, into firery holes? 3. Gundabad? Bats? How did Legolas and Tauriel get their so fast? What role is Gundabad playing? 4. Frozen waterfall? I did enjoy the trailer however, these are just a few questions I had after watching!
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Shagrat
Gondor
Nov 6 2014, 7:03pm
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Giant Projectile-Shooting Contraptions at 1:26
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Pause it and you'll see those are Dwarves of the Iron Hills manning them. So evidently this is a misleading sequence of events, to have us believe that the Elves are exchanging volleys with them.
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phij2
Rivendell
Nov 6 2014, 7:03pm
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i just can't wait. Please i need it to come out now, this very precise exact minute. Now i tell you now, breathes deeply, okay maybe in two minutes
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Bree
Nov 6 2014, 7:04pm
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I don't need a pill. And there are no insecurities here. I am not some PS4 fanboy who turns red in the face if someone likes an Xbox ONE. Nobody is going to lessen my enjoyment of these films, and no, they are not perfect and I myself have some issues with them. But, what it's true is true, and what is right is right, and if nobody else can smell the BS here, I sure can. I'm not afraid to call it out either. This isn't about opinions either. There is a way to state an opinion in a way that is mature, adult, intelligent and fair, even if it's very negative. That I don't have a problem with. You hate the movies? Try actually making a compelling argument why supported by facts and in a way that is not so completely transparently provoking and obviously baiting.
I will show you revenge...
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TheSexyBeard
Lorien
Nov 6 2014, 7:04pm
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It is a troll. But if you mean the fat one that gets a close up, I thought he could have looked a bit better, I liked the catapult ones though.
Yes, my username is terrible.
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Darkstone
Immortal
Nov 6 2014, 7:04pm
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Earth vs. the Flying Saucers (1956) is still a favorite. Turn off the lights and grab some buttered popcorn. Wonderful!
****************************************** I met a Balrog on the stair. He had some wings that weren't there. They weren't there again today. I wish he would just fly away.
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Loresilme
Valinor
Nov 6 2014, 7:04pm
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After all along he's been right there with Thorin. That really hit me too.
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Cirashala
Valinor
Nov 6 2014, 7:05pm
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they certainly aren't big enough to be dwarf feet
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redgiraffe
Rohan
Nov 6 2014, 7:07pm
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And I am not a mindless defender of CG, because there are clearly horrible fx shots in films all the time. I'm also not a mindless apologist. It's clear, that the same 3-5 posters who pop up like whack-a-moles with the same boring, nonsense every time there is a chance to rain on people's parades is not an accident, and it is nauseating. So is the fact that TORN'S mod's allow these people to spew their nonsense by "protecting their opinions", which are clearly not mere opinions, but provoking, obnoxious nonsense, and they know they can get away with it, because if anyone DARES offer criticism of THEIR post, they are banned or warned for flaming. Weak. So the bashers can bash FX artists who are PEOPLE, and PJ and his CREW which are PEOPLE, but we can't bash the bashers back, because well, they're people! I am sad to say I have found Tolkien fans to be the most smug, uptight, arrogant, impossible to please, insufferable brats in fandom, and I will not miss this site. How anyone could watch that trailer and say it's atrocious is laughable. LAUGHABLE. You have to understand that you are perceiving them as coming off that way. Someone offered their opinion on the matter and then personal attacks started on both sides. When personal attacks start on both sides that's where it becomes a problem. I saw nothing wrong with any of those first posts commenting on the CGI. They expressed their dislike for it and that was all. Sure they might have a habit of posting negative things about the hobbit trilogy. That might be because they do not enjoy the way it has turned out. It's the same thing as someone always posting positive things about the trilogy. It's because they like the trilogy. This argument has quickly deteriorated into personal attacks among posters on both sides and to me THAT makes the board a negative experience.
-Sir are you classified as human -Negative, I am a meat-popsicle
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Aitieuriskon
Lorien
Nov 6 2014, 7:07pm
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IIRC, the wording in this chapter of the book leaves it ambiguous over whether the dwarves and elves have begun shooting at one another before Gandalf intervenes.
"After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear." Professor Tolkien, 1951
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LadyEmmaE
Bree
Nov 6 2014, 7:08pm
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... Kili, will go something like this? 1) Fights in battle 2) Gets injured badly, possibly protecting Thorin/Fili/Tauriel 3) Sees Tauriel (I beliieve that was him lying in her arms?) 4) Gives Tauriel the talizman that Dis gave to him 5) Tauriel goes to Dis to give it back (assuming she lives), then hops on a ship to the Gray Havens or wherever. Anyways, the trailer was great! Loved the Thorin and Kili headbutt thing.
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redgiraffe
Rohan
Nov 6 2014, 7:08pm
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TORN ist right now the worst place to discuss this trailer. What has happened? It is so, so sad. the admins are probably going to come in and clean all of this up. They're very good at putting a swift end to these sorts of things.
-Sir are you classified as human -Negative, I am a meat-popsicle
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Lissuin
Valinor
Nov 6 2014, 7:09pm
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is sobbing behind Elrond as Saruman says "Leave Sauron to me". It is an interesting choice to show her vulnerability. But then she was magnificent in her LOTR scene of temptation by the ring, which she overcame. Elves are after all, as described by Tolkien, full of extreme passions of all varieties. Dol Guldur will have wonderful moments, it seems. And Elrond looks fabulous and strong, Saruman very powerful. Great trailer!
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Darkstone
Immortal
Nov 6 2014, 7:09pm
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****************************************** I met a Balrog on the stair. He had some wings that weren't there. They weren't there again today. I wish he would just fly away.
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Dame Ioreth
Tol Eressea
Nov 6 2014, 7:10pm
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I'm just a couple years behind you Darkstone
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But I remember the same kinds of "special effects". Who could forget Jason and the Argonauts! (Although Ray Harryhausen was a legend in my book). Like you I was blown away by this trailer. The visuals are breathtaking to me! I love they way they set up each major piece of the story too. I have a list of things to bring to the theatre: - Hankies (I planned lots but I've amended that to lots and lots), - Chocolate (I will need more of this than I thought), - A good stiff belt of something in the scotch family (Now amended to 2 stiff belts) How about we just sit here and wave our canes at all the young whippersnappers who find their entertainment in complaining on the internet. We know better - the entertainment will come in December!
Where there's life there's hope, and need of vittles. ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings
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