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BOT5A TRAILER 2 OUT!!!
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SafeUnderHill
Rohan

Nov 6 2014, 8:35pm

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     They did a pretty good job with that shot [In reply to]  


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How anyone can call something like this acceptable let alone good is beyond me.

http://bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/...es/hobbit-clones.png

They have literally used the same design for elves and stuck them directly in front of the camera. It's not hyperbole. It's disgraceful.


Considering the elves are CGI.


The Mitch King
Rohan


Nov 6 2014, 8:36pm

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     You're not kidding… This is trash. [In reply to]  


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How anyone can call something like this acceptable let alone good is beyond me.

http://bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/...es/hobbit-clones.png

They have literally used the same design for elves and stuck them directly in front of the camera. It's not hyperbole. It's disgraceful.



Darkstone
Immortal


Nov 6 2014, 8:36pm

Post #253 of 348 (2581 views)
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     Strange.... [In reply to]  

They DO look like the same ones! Like they were immortals or something!

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I met a Balrog on the stair.
He had some wings that weren't there.
They weren't there again today.
I wish he would just fly away.


namarie
Rohan


Nov 6 2014, 8:37pm

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     Epic // [In reply to]  

 


"Don't try to be perfect, just try to be yourself"


Lindele
Gondor


Nov 6 2014, 8:37pm

Post #255 of 348 (2552 views)
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     but to take [In reply to]  

one frame (shot) and write the films off as disgraceful when there are thousands of other beautifully hand crafted shots is a little unfair. They could have literally just not had time to finish it properly.


macfalk
Valinor


Nov 6 2014, 8:39pm

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     About the trailer CGI [In reply to]  

Can someone allay my fears that what we saw is unfinished CGI that they will work on some more?

The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


iduna
Rivendell


Nov 6 2014, 8:39pm

Post #257 of 348 (2548 views)
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     Good point. Huge army hardly "stealthy" [In reply to]  

I suppose the issue will be explained in the movies -- where exactly the caves are, how the orcs found out about them, and how come Thorin et al. didn't know there were other entrances into Erebor so large you could drive an army through them.


Lindele
Gondor


Nov 6 2014, 8:40pm

Post #258 of 348 (2560 views)
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     Utter garbage [In reply to]  

how could they? are they really so heartless and cruel?

The people behind these films have no regard for our feelings. No regard whatsoever.

They have the NERVE to take ONE shot and make it look terrible!!?
That's it. I'm done.

Not even going to see it.


The Mitch King
Rohan


Nov 6 2014, 8:40pm

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     cgi [In reply to]  

I think its the contrast with Bard and Thranduil I don't like.


SafeUnderHill
Rohan

Nov 6 2014, 8:40pm

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     I don't think it'll change in the final film [In reply to]  


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one frame (shot) and write the films off as disgraceful when there are thousands of other beautifully hand crafted shots is a little unfair. They could have literally just not had time to finish it properly.


But it's not that big of a problem. At least they match the elves in the AUJ prologue that were also very similar looking and CGI!

What I like in this trailer are the excellent character moments, are there are many stunning shots (particularly Laketown and Erebor looking out onto it).


Olorin2607
Lorien


Nov 6 2014, 8:40pm

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     In his defense [In reply to]  

I must say that it really comes off a bit dodgy and we all know the Elves in AUJ did not look any better.. and there they had time.

But still it totally DOES NOT ruin the movie.

DOS EE has some dodgy CGI as well and still its a wonderful movie.


Lindele
Gondor


Nov 6 2014, 8:41pm

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     Judging by [In reply to]  

EVERY OTHER HOBBIT TRAILER WE'VE SEEN

Yes, this trailer was probably put together before all of the shots in the film are finished.


SafeUnderHill
Rohan

Nov 6 2014, 8:42pm

Post #263 of 348 (2516 views)
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     No [In reply to]  


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Can someone allay my fears that what we saw is unfinished CGI that they will work on some more?


Chances are little will change, mainly grading. But unlike last year the film is pretty much finished. If you don't like the look of it, you're going to have to try to come to terms with it or just don't watch it. The CGI looks very polished, it's just they seem to love that sort of glossy hyper real look rather than gritty and hazy and realistic (like Jim Rygiel, visual effects supervisor for LOTR, always pushed for).


Lindele
Gondor


Nov 6 2014, 8:43pm

Post #264 of 348 (2499 views)
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     A lot of the CGI/Rendering in DOS [In reply to]  

WAS HORRENDOUS

but you are absolutely right. The film (EE) was great, and well worth looking past a couple of bad shots. BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY GOOD ONES.

I even decided to look past the atrocious (note my use of the word) GoPro shots in the barrel sequence.


(This post was edited by Lindele on Nov 6 2014, 8:44pm)


Hanzkaz
Rohan

Nov 6 2014, 8:43pm

Post #265 of 348 (2518 views)
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     Brilliant trailer - [In reply to]  

 Pretty much what I was hoping for at this stage, even when AUJ first came out.

I've no idea how the movie is going turn out but I'm looking forward to it more than ever, now.

No sign of Dain, but I hope he gets his 'hero moment'.

As for the CGI Elves being the same, I don't know. I expect Elves to have certain 'unhuman' traits, anyway.



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The Mitch King
Rohan


Nov 6 2014, 8:47pm

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     Tunnels [In reply to]  


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I suppose the issue will be explained in the movies -- where exactly the caves are, how the orcs found out about them, and how come Thorin et al. didn't know there were other entrances into Erebor so large you could drive an army through them.


Definitely dug by orcs. I assume they lead from Gundabad to outside of Erebor.


Olorin2607
Lorien


Nov 6 2014, 8:51pm

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     Of course you can. [In reply to]  

But that still gives me the right to tell you mine..namely that spreading negativity before even saying anything regarding the OVERALL feel of the trailer is also.. well... atrocious.


Gandy
Bree

Nov 6 2014, 8:53pm

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Well now we know how Tauriel dies, thanks spoilerific trailer! Sweet trailer though, cant wait!


Am I the only one who thinks it looked like Thranduil cuts her throat with his sword? LOL Watch closely again.

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Tauriel has an arrow in his face, fully drawn string, and he just breaks the arrow into pieces with his sword. Frame grabs show the broken pieces clearly.

Frame by frame over-analysis also shows 3 unique elves that are duplicated via CG countless times. Wink Very odd. Three is a tiny number. At least do 20. They can swap faces on barely animated faces easily. Three is a weird decision. There are live elves and CG. The 3 live elves got in costume in front of a green screen, and then footage was duplicated to form a line. Rinse, repeat.
That's a very acceptable technique and makes the most sense, but using 3 actors is weird. Just a few more would make it not look like the Elven attack of the clones.

Dol Goldur has so much potential for breathtaking imagery. The intimate setting, the big bosses of ME all in one place, the stakes... Wow. I am looking forward to Dol Goldur more than the Battle5. I dearly hope it isn't cut too short or mostly wastes time with Orcs flipflopping everywhere Wilhelm scream stuff. The Nine and Sauron shouldn't be a brief climax after boring Orc growling.
Most importantly - Saruman absolutely should allowed to show his 100% uncorrupted self. Audiences don't know that side of him.

"Leave Sauron to ME!" This line should be spoken by a Saruman pure of heart and he should battle Sauron so grandly and beautifully that the tragic future we already know he will have, will add a deep level of bittersweet to the end of the battle. The Palantir is there, so natuarlly we know he will take it. But this should be after his final act of pure goodwill. Just a quick hint at the future. He isn't taking it because he made a deal with Sauron during their fight.

Apparently even Galadriel is getting beat up. Saruman maybe arrives later? Thus the following:
Saruman should brandish the 3 good rings of power on his own Infinity Gauntlet. Cool

My guess from the quick trailer cuts, Galadriel finding Gandalf on the ground - this is at the beginning before the big fight commences. Gandalf has just been freed from his cage and is very weak, beaten. Galadriel rushes to him. After this, the real action starts. Help arrives. Gandalf gets eagled away to Battle5 before the main Dol Goldur fight.
That's why he isn't on the ground in the following scene. He might fight some though because "The Power of the Three". His ring is involved.

Rambling finished.


Darkstone
Immortal


Nov 6 2014, 8:56pm

Post #269 of 348 (2424 views)
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     The fiends!! [In reply to]  

Jackson & Co. are probably reading this thread as we speak and cackling maniacally as they satisfy themselves drinking our sad sad tears of disillusionment and despair!

They're doing everything they can to deliberately make a terrible film we won't want to see! Because... er... well.. ah....

How about:

1. Make horrible film.
2. Something.
3. Something.
4. Profit.

Yeah, that!

******************************************
I met a Balrog on the stair.
He had some wings that weren't there.
They weren't there again today.
I wish he would just fly away.


NoelGallagher
Rohan


Nov 6 2014, 8:57pm

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     This feels more like a complete CGI - thread... [In reply to]  

Cant there be created a separate one for this issue?! Crazy


Lindele
Gondor


Nov 6 2014, 8:59pm

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     PJ's plan [In reply to]  

from the very beginning...back in the mid 90's when they started writing LOTR, was to make 5 amazing and beautiful Middle-earth films JUST so that our hopes would be at their highest in anticipation for the sixth film in which he would DEVASTATE us with something horrendous. It's all just a big scheme.

It's a remnant of his splatter film days...he loves to shock people.


Smaug's Fire
The Shire

Nov 6 2014, 9:02pm

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Something worthwhile to discuss. Here's what I think:

1.) In the book the Elvenking wants a share of the hoard, both because he believes that some of his own wealth is in the mountain, and because he wants to help out the homeless Lakemen. In the filmverse, we were shown his desire for the Nauglamir-esque gems from the AUJ EE prologue, which is presumably what he's after here.

2.) Gandalf is referring to Sauron's master plan. The orcs appear to be entering tunnels that will allow them to approach the Mountain unseen while the Free Peoples quarrel.

3.) In the book, bats block out the sun during the battle and allow the goblins to march and fight during the day. Here they appear to be closer to the Thuringwethil-style vampire-bat creatures of the Silmarillion than to those we saw in AUJ streaming out of Dol Guldur. Mount Gundabad was the primary orc-hold in the North of the Misty Mountains. It's where the hunters under Azog and Bolg come from in the film-verse. It looks like it operated as Sauron's secondary base under Azog's command. Legolas and Tauriel probably track Bolg there following the destruction of Laketown. The forces of Azog marching from Dol Guldur and the forces of Bolg marching from Mt. Gundabad will likely meet up and flank the unsuspecting Free Folk at some point.

4.) Not really sure about where this frozen waterfall is meant to be. Presumably somewhere in the environs of Dale or Ravenhill. Unless it's near Mt. Gundabad?


Ah thank you! I was thinking something along these lines but I wasn't sure!


Lindele
Gondor


Nov 6 2014, 9:03pm

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     I feel ya [In reply to]  

 


aifeme
Rivendell


Nov 6 2014, 9:04pm

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     Oh man...Just freaking.chill.out. [In reply to]  

I loved the trailer, but also mentioned the faces of the Elven army. Because I could.
In Your eyes people like me hate this trailer and previous Hobbit movies. And all that other things You wrote...You're just putting words into peoples' mouths. It's offensive.. Just stop.
And stop using caps lock so much, otherwise no one will take You seriously.

TORn lurker since 2002:]

(This post was edited by aifeme on Nov 6 2014, 9:08pm)


NoelGallagher
Rohan


Nov 6 2014, 9:06pm

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     This! [In reply to]  


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And stop using caps lock so much, otherwise no on will take You seriously.


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