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Thranduil Appreciation Thread Part XIV

Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Sep 21 2014, 1:21am

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     Thranduil Appreciation Thread Part XIV  

Thanks to mariel's threadtipping and dernwyn's extra tingly mod sense we've left the TAXIII. Here's XIV

Any and all appreciation of HeartThranduil and everything related to him happens here.
All HeartThranduil Thralls, and appreciating non-Thralls are welcome.Smile So feel free to jump in at any time!


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The Thranduil Appreciation thread count:
I | II (Originating thread and II by Rowan Greene) | III | IV | V | VI | VII (Thread by Eruvandi)
VIII | IX X | XI | XII | XIII
(NOTE: Please read the "IMPORTANT README for TA posters: Information on posting, and adding images")


Thranduil Appreciation Lexicon
aka the little TAspeak garden Tongue

  • Bubba: Nickname of Thranduil's beloved War-Elk
  • Equal Opportunistic Thrall: One who thralls whom her/his infidelity fancies. Shamelessly multi-allegiance by nature. See also "Thranduil Thralls"
  • Elvenking, The: That's right, that's how it's supposed to be written
  • Facemelt: That thing Thranduil does in T&T
  • Fanart: Popular post subject/title. Beacon for Thralls, as sure as moths dive into flames. (Helpful reference for the threadlard inspired: See the "IMAGES" section of "The TA (very) Quickie Help/TIPS for adding IMAGES and POSTING" sections in this README FOR ALL TA Posters) See also "Pretty!"
  • FLAST: Shorthand for Flustered Leggy AND Sassy Thranduil. In honour of the worship for badass (maybe a smidgeon of oblivious in there somewhere) Thranduil and his actions/non-actions resulting in Legolas getting into a flap. Requires Legolas to be present when Thranduil does his thang
  • GotG: Guardians of the Galaxy. That movie in August 2014 with LP in it
  • HCF: Halt and Catch Fire. LP's 2014 TV series.
  • High Thud Risk (aka HTR): Alert for Pretty! hoarding thralls, invoked when 'EI' ain't cutting it. See also Pretty!
  • LA: The Last Alliance of Elves and Men, not the city in the States
  • Lee Pace: Thranduil
  • Leggy: affectionate diminutive of Legolas
  • Legolas: Son of Thranduil, aka surfer Elf of LotR
  • LP: Lee Pace
  • Oropher: Father of Thranduil
  • Orry/Oro: affectionate diminutive of Oropher
  • PD: Pushing Daisies. LP's 2007/2008 TV series.
  • Peckish Thrall: Avandel's TA humour panels ala Peckish Owl (So this is new, sue me. I'm just pre-emptively perpetuating something that's an eventuality Angelic)
  • Pretty!: Surely self-explanatory? See also "Woodland Weekend", "High Thud Risk"
  • Silent Thread Visitor (aka STV): Self-explantory. STVs, Thranduil has a question for you. What say you? Smile
  • T&T: The Thranduil and Thorin confrontation scene in DOS. Generally ranked top favourite of Thranduil Thralls
  • TA: Thranduil Appreciation. All-round Heart for the Elvenking and his onscreen avatar (and by extension teh actor. See also LP). Shockingly, there are TA posts with that literary bent associated with thinking individuals frequenting such an exemplary forum as TORn. Some even hint at functional brain-matter in the poster.
  • That disagreeable (among other things) Dwarf: See "T&T"
  • Theory of Bling: Overarching term for theories and speculation on the backstories of Thranduil's rings. Popular discussion circa TAIII/TAIV, but still pops up occasionally.
  • Thranddy: affectionateHeart diminutive of the Elvenking's name (if you don't know who is the Elvenking, google is your mellon)
  • Thranduil Thralls: The afflicted. Fangirls, and boys, whose allegiance are pledged to the Elvenking. Also known as the hopelessly enthralled to his ELVEN MAGNIFICENCE. Perturbing to some, Thralldom may not be exclusive. Credit goes to Eowyn of Penns Woods for the "official" Thranduil Thrall moniker. See also "Equal Opportunistic Thrall"
  • Threadlock: The inevitable fate of all TA threads exceeding 200 replies, aka mundane Chore of Mod. See also "Thread tipping"
  • Thread tipping: Post(s) that sends the current TA thread over the 200 replies threshold (See the "AVOIDING GENERIC POST-DEATH" and "AVOIDING POST-DEATH FROM THREADLOCK" sections in this README FOR ALL TA Posters). See also "Threadlock"
  • TW: Thrall Wars. An ongoing bit of silliness in the Fan Art board ribbing everything in and about the Thralldoms of Thranduil and that disagreeable (among other things) Dwarf (see "T&T"). Only one thing is sure: nothing and no one is safe Evil Think of it as vicarious authorly pretensions in miniature ping-pong mode, usually between Avandel and yours truly... Morphing into a 3-player mahjong game with Kerewyn dipping her toes inHeart
  • Woodland Weekend (aka WW): Occasional mega URL laden post for Pretty! of Thranduil, and LP. May also include goodness for Legolas, *cough*That disagreeable (among other things) Dwarf*cough* and some others. Selective indiscrimination is key. See also "Pretty!", "High Thud Risk"



  • Keeping track of the appreciation
    Caught off-guard at how much you've missed? 1 simple click will ensure you won't miss another update again. Put this thread on watch! Locate the "Watch thread" button to the top and right of this post (button 3 of the 5 threads buttons you see) and click it.

    Also, if you click on the "creation" bit in the "Age" column (last one) when you view a forum, it changes to "activity", and you get a list of threads which has been recently posted to, instead of when they were started. It's a much easier way to find the current TA thread since someone will probably post in it, and it usually appears on page 1 of the activity view. Certainly beats going back through the board to look for it.




    Fan of both books and movies; I am a lurker by nature though it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


    Heart Thranduil Appreciation
    Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XIII
    I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII


    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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    Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk




    (This post was edited by dernwyn on Sep 22 2014, 3:05am)


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Sep 21 2014, 1:34am

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    I have now had my first experience with post-death via threalock as dernwyn locked the thread while I was in the middle of responding to one of Kerewyn's posts. Unfortunately I didn't realize the thread had been tipped and therefore didn't know to make a copy.Pirate Oh well. I remember what I said, so it's fine!Evil

    Anyway, I was just about to start the next thread only to discover you beat me too it by one minute, Lurker! Lol! Cool Here goes thread XIV!Heart

    "Home is behind the world ahead
    And there are many paths to tread
    Through shadow to the edge of night
    Until the stars are all alight.

    Mist and shadow
    Cloud and shade
    All shall fade
    All shall fade"



    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Sep 21 2014, 1:36am

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         Hi-res of that gorgeous BTS image of Thranduil in armour [In reply to]  

    Like this from VValar's post in TAXIII?


    Then you should be squeely for a higher res version and and then some here




    Fan of both books and movies; I am a lurker by nature though it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


    Heart Thranduil Appreciation
    Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XIV
    I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII


    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

    =======
    Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk




    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Sep 21 2014, 1:39am

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         *HAI* Gah, post-death! Me too!!! [In reply to]  

    I was trying to reply to mariel's post and congratulate her for threadtipping so soon after she de-lurked and DOOM! Pirate

    Definitely caught me by surprise as we've never had a thread locked so close to the threadtip I think. dernwyn's on fire! Smile

    ETA: what image were you going to put in the OP?




    Fan of both books and movies; I am a lurker by nature though it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


    Heart Thranduil Appreciation
    Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XIV
    I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII


    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

    =======
    Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk




    (This post was edited by Lurker in the Mirk on Sep 21 2014, 1:42am)


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Sep 21 2014, 1:56am

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         In reply to Kerewyn's "The Thingol and Thranduil discussion" post in TAXIII [In reply to]  

    This post.

    Nice observations Kerewyn. Smile Glad to see you around again!




    Quote
    But to look more closely at and assume this ‘impossible dream’, the genuine desire for a Simaril, there's the parallel between one gem containing the light of Trees of Valinor, and the other containing pure starlight. (as least, if the White Gems are not merely metaphorically named). So neither are ordinary treasures and to possess them would almost be ‘beyond normal wealth’, but to bestow an almost religious experience (is the closest way I can think to describe) upon those who behold them.

    That’s as good a description as I’ve ever heard. Smile Just like the Silmarils, the White Gems of pure starlight are clearly more that just bling, but it hadn’t occurred to me that they might actually contain pure starlight! That’s some good food for thought!



    Quote
    Nvertheless… "And every day that he looked upon the Silmaril the more he desired to keep it for ever; for such was its power." I think the Silmarils are more probably powerful than any other piece of bling(?), save the One Ring, but I wonder if the White Gems would exert a similar power over Thranduil eventually? Maybe not. I’m sure he wouldn’t like to part with them, but I can’t see him becoming corrupted by them.

    I agree. The White Gems are important to Thranduil but I don’t think they hold any kind of corrupting power over him. IMO, that would go against the Fisher King story arc they’ve set up for him anyway. He’s already corrupted, just like the forest around him. Now he has to be healed so that he can come out of his isolation, not corrupted further.

    "Home is behind the world ahead
    And there are many paths to tread
    Through shadow to the edge of night
    Until the stars are all alight.

    Mist and shadow
    Cloud and shade
    All shall fade
    All shall fade"



    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Sep 21 2014, 2:04am

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         Various general responses to posts in XIII [In reply to]  

    @mariel: Congratulations for achieving threadtip, that definitive mark of a TA poster, so soon!Smile

    @dernwyn: Wow... that was really a fast CoM!Shocked Right on the heels of reply 200! Darn that fandom for not keeping you transfixed longerTongue

    @VValar:
    • Oef: OH yeah! Just so knee-weakening... Oy vey!
    • Exactly & Hello and welcome!: Hey, you're doing great, you know? Adding Pretty! is the top priority and importance of TA after all. I understand the hesitation, I felt the same way before I took the plungeEvil But to any STVs who are hesitant to jump in just from thinking you've got nothing to add, just do it!Smile
    • About i-browsers and posting on TORn: Don't fret over it. Seems to be common, the pains of TORn posting. Well, if you feel like you want a change after all, try the Feedback forum. I had the biggest frustrations with replying on the phone initially, and after hearing that it's expected functionality anyways, balance is restored.Smile
    • Hey cool change in avatar: Thanks. I loved the conflict in the image's action and the passivity of the quote. Here's that farnie of Elrond and Thranduil... really a FEAST (... damn, forgot to add it to the lexiconFrown)
    • Cute: Thought you might like it. You know it's a GIF clicky right?
    • Last WW of this thread?: Well, First and LastTongue Thanks so much for the responses and the comments. Sometimes they're as enjoyable as the WW itself.
      • Re Oropher: Oops! Thanks for telling me. Now I know.
      • Re "LOL again, Poor Thrandy degrading to a mere 4. I imagine he would be very upset by this news (for he at least is an 11 on a scale from 0-10)" Heheh... sometimes the unintentional comedy is even more fun... imagine the whopping Haldir gets from Celeborn for his insolence... after all, denigrading Thranduil, a kinsman reflects that much insubordinate disrespect on hisself tooTongue
    *checks over posts and responses* Yup. Think that covers all the general responses. Now to porting thread discussions overSmile


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    Fan of both books and movies; I am a lurker by nature though it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


    Heart Thranduil Appreciation
    Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XIV
    I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII


    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

    =======
    Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk




    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Sep 21 2014, 2:04am

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    'Twas this nice big pretty! that I found on Tumblr.Cool We've seen it before, but I had never seen it quite this high-res, or close up. I also love how whoever edited it put all those little sparkles around the sides. Not that Thranduil's fabulousness ever needs enhancement, but I thought it was a nice touch!Angelic



    I blame it for letting you beat me to posting because the online image resizer was loading slow.Wink

    "Home is behind the world ahead
    And there are many paths to tread
    Through shadow to the edge of night
    Until the stars are all alight.

    Mist and shadow
    Cloud and shade
    All shall fade
    All shall fade"



    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Sep 21 2014, 2:13am

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         Thanks for starting this, and in response to your response =) [In reply to]  

    Agreed on all your points above... and in response to your post here:


    In Reply To
    Same here. I don't even bother trying to read fast because I know if I do, I'll miss stuff. I've never been diagnosed as ADD, but my mind wanders a ridiculous amount and if there's noise of stuff going on around me, I can't focus on reading. Thus is why I get peeved with doctor's/dentists/other places who insist on having a TV or radio going constantly in the waiting room.Unsure Seriously, if I have to sit and wait somewhere for a long time, I'd rather make progress on a book I enjoy than be forced to watch soap operas or hear a never ending loop of medical factoids.Crazy

    I guess I'm too used to reading fast. Tolkien has made me pause and try to slow down. I don't always succeed but I try.

    ADD though is always a self-diagnose around these partsTongue... back in the day when I was a tot. I think I have the tendency to be distracted way too easily. But oh well. Things are supposed to be improved but I doubt ADD is treated as anything more than a newfangled "foreigner" concept that only the well-heeled would even acknowledge.



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    I doubt Thingol wanted to give he daughter to anyone, but short of a dwarf or orc, a lowly Man was probably one of the least desirable options.

    LoL!


    Re Tauriel... yeah, agreed. It's just in the general sense of the concept of the foster-child plus harbinger of change. Tauriel's arc can never be as tragic as Turin's imo. Too dark and too complicating to the TH story arc as PJ and crew intended.

    And oops! I thought the silm-readalong was further along so I plunged on and went all the way to chappie 23 before I realised I've overshot the scheduleTongue






    Fan of both books and movies; I am a lurker by nature though it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


    Heart Thranduil Appreciation
    Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XIV
    I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII


    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

    =======
    Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk




    (This post was edited by Lurker in the Mirk on Sep 21 2014, 2:14am)


    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Sep 21 2014, 2:16am

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    I blame it for letting you beat me to posting because the online image resizer was loading slow.Wink

    Oops! It is PRETTY! thoughHeartHeartHeart






    Fan of both books and movies; I am a lurker by nature though it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


    Heart Thranduil Appreciation
    Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XIV
    I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII


    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

    =======
    Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk




    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Sep 21 2014, 2:27am

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         btw... that Elf in the background... [In reply to]  

    (in response to this post by VValar) isn't Leggy. I stumbled on a translate of a bit on this scene (spoilers so I won't post or link) and the translator says that's a stand-in.


    In Reply To


    In Reply To
    What happens here do you think? Is this where Thranduil reunites with Legolas?

    I was wondering that same thing, seeing as Legolas is not too far of I imagine they will have a shared scene somewhere in this environment, don't you think? You have no idea how badly I want them to have more scenes together. And I can't wait until the moment where Legolas and Thranduil meet in BOFA. Probably even fight together side by side as well. That would be absolutely EPIC!!!

    But this is still something I too want to see in BotFA for sure!Heart




    Fan of both books and movies; I am a lurker by nature though it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


    Heart Thranduil Appreciation
    Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XIV
    I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII


    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

    =======
    Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk




    (This post was edited by Lurker in the Mirk on Sep 21 2014, 2:31am)


    dernwyn
    Forum Admin / Moderator


    Sep 21 2014, 2:38am

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         Transfixed? Not quite! [In reply to]  

    In stitches of laughter is a better description - the Army is tweeting him pics of themselves wearing "beards" of all descriptions! Laugh

    And it looks like Jed Brophy and Adam Brown got involved...

    (Did I tell you that I love these Dwarves?)

    There are those who claim that the Elves have beard-envy...

    Angelic


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    Ataahua
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    Sep 21 2014, 2:43am

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    Please remember our image guidelines when posting pictures:

    The maximum size of any picture posted should be 525 wide x 400 pixels high (or a better measure is: 210,000 pixels squared - width x height), but no wider than 670 pixels.

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    Men: "Pretty rings..."
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    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Sep 21 2014, 2:43am

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         Nay... lies spread by those envious of the clear-skinned luminosity of Elven pulchritude [In reply to]  


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    There are those who claim that the Elves have beard-envy...

    Self-delusions to justify the absolute unavailability of good shavers and general lack of finesse among the hirsute afflicted... good excuse for covering the resulting facial and neck nicks and cutsAngelic





    Fan of both books and movies; I am a lurker by nature though it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


    Heart Thranduil Appreciation
    Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XIV
    I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII


    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

    =======
    Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk




    (This post was edited by Lurker in the Mirk on Sep 21 2014, 2:44am)


    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Sep 21 2014, 2:47am

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         How was it oversized ... (and replacement version) [In reply to]  

    when it's 47kb, within guidelines right? Also the width is only 479pixels, less than the 670 pixel limit. Or am I missing something here?

    ETA: Ah... ok, so now the file size limit is 45kb (I remember it was 48kb when I started or may memory's faulty), answer part of my confuzzlement at least. Please replace with this version - 30kb and 368px wide 503px high (attached). The image is to link to this offsite location: http://th02.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2014/227/a/7/thranduil___king_of_mirkwood_by_ladycyrenius-d7vbi3p.png. Thank you.




    Fan of both books and movies; I am a lurker by nature though it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


    Heart Thranduil Appreciation
    Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XIV
    I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII


    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

    =======
    Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk




    (This post was edited by Lurker in the Mirk on Sep 21 2014, 2:58am)


    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Sep 21 2014, 3:04am

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    Testing... File attached but not embedded in post, just like previous post.


    ETA: Ah, if inline checkbox is checked, image must be embedded. If only intended to be an attachment, inline checkbox must be unchecked.Crazy Another TORn lesson learnt.




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    Sep 21 2014, 4:25am

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    that was oversized - if you go to 670 pixels on one length, the other length will need to be much shorter to stay within the maximum canvas size.

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    Sep 21 2014, 7:17am

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    In case you missed my request, here's the details and new image again:
    Please replace with this version - 30kb and 368px wide 503px high (attached). The image should be centred and is to link to this offsite location: http://th02.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2014/227/a/7/thranduil___king_of_mirkwood_by_ladycyrenius-d7vbi3p.png. Thank you.

    I will take note the guidelines apply to both the pixel and file size.






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    Sep 21 2014, 7:28am

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    Continuing from the Pretty! of Armour!Thranduil on Bubba. (VValar, make sure you're sitting down Smile)






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    Sep 21 2014, 7:45am

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    FYI, it's easy enough to edit and tick the necessary boxes to insert an uploaded file as an inline picture if it doesn't "take", since the file is already appended to the post, but I can't link a picture attached to one post to another post with a simple cut and paste - I had to download it and then upload it from my own computer in order to attach it to the root post.

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    Sep 21 2014, 8:24am

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         4th Age Kings.. or a tangent on the Thranduil going West discussion [In reply to]  

    The Thranduil going West discussion had been interesting to say the least (and of course, I'm hoping it's ongoing and vanima will continue where we left off).

    But meantime, I came across this image and found it interesting. The Kings/Kingdoms of ME at the beginning of the FA:

    1. Aragorn, King of Men and the Reunited Kingdom
    2. Eomer, King of Rohan
    3. Thranduil, King of Eryn Lasgalen
    4. Thorin III, King Under The Mountain
    5. Bard II, King of Dale
    6. Anyone missing?

    Got me thinking: with all that happens in BotFA and in LotR, which of course includes the War of the Ring, what is the diplomacy and relations these Kings maintain in FA?

    Thranduil might establish ties with Men since this is Aragorn we're talking about, or least Gondor since Legolas does establish the Elf settlement in Minas Tirith. But he did it with Gimli's company. How does that reflect/indicate effects/influences on Eryn Lasgalen's diplomatic ties with Erebor since Thorin III is Dain's son? Though factoring in Thranduil's having made peace with Thorin at the end, I suppose relations were on the positive, rather than negative side of the balance anyway. Maybe frosty and formal but if they passed each other out in the Wild, there would at least be cursory nods all round. Though I think there's practical considerations involved. Unless Thranduil's people learnt themselves some good blacksmithing abilities, the finer requirements of weaponry at least might still need to be farmed out, and who else better than Erebor to commission?

    With Dale, and also Lake-town, things would continue to be friendly due to Bard's alliance with Thranduil in BoFa. The wine delivery system continues to rock, and Dale/Lake-town would probably be in boom times, having both the custom of Erebor and Eryn Lasgalen.

    Though the Shire came under Aragorn's rule, they're like an autonomous region unto themselves. With the positive impressions Thranduil had of Bilbo, and Legolas' association with the famous four in the Fellowship, would there be any ties between the Shire and Eryn Lasgalen?

    What intrigues me the most though, is what about the other Elven realms of Rivendell, Lothlorien and the Grey Havens? With the departure of the Keepers/Rulers of those Elven realms, where do the ones who chose not to depart go? There may not be many, but there will be some, especially the Sindar of Lothlorien. I think, and we've sort of mentioned this in the discussion on Thranduil going West, this may be where Thranduil found himself, at least for a time, the King of a growing Elven population. Certainly, it is not organic growth, and with a shrunken realm, maybe Thranduil would feel the pressures of sustaining his people. So perhaps some of these Elves might settle with Legolas' Elven outpost... or would this be one reason for Legolas to strike out? Though if Elves from other realms join Eryn Lasgalen, I guess there'd be some suitable talents and the pressures of getting good weaponry work done in-Forest might be somewhat relieved.

    Going back to the Kingdoms of Men, I suppose the general population of both the Reunited Kingdom and Rohan might be in for a bit of surprise to have myth come to life when they begin to see Elves in their midst. Not often and still not easily of course since Elves are not inclined to non-Elf company. though I'd suppose with Rohan's closer affinity with horses and nature, they might be preferred company of Elves who venture into the lands of Man.

    Additionally, and this is mixing movie-verse I know, but given Thranduil's interest in orchid cultivationSmile, would Thranduil travel or send diplomatic missions further east and south than the other kingdoms are wont to? Or is such a clear line drawn that no one among the Free Peoples would deign to say "Hi" and dispense friendship bands in those directions?

    Thought?


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    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Sep 21 2014, 8:27am

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    Can you centre the image above the "(Clicky!)" bit? Thanks.


    In Reply To
    FYI, it's easy enough to edit and tick the necessary boxes to insert an uploaded file as an inline picture if it doesn't "take", since the file is already appended to the post, but I can't link a picture attached to one post to another post with a simple cut and paste - I had to download it and then upload it from my own computer in order to attach it to the root post.

    Right, I thought to not repeat the image by putting it up as an attachment. But you're right of course. Not thinking properly.Crazy






    Fan of both books and movies; I am a lurker by nature though it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


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    Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XIV
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    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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    Sep 21 2014, 9:03am

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    Rohan


    Sep 21 2014, 1:23pm

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         The article about Celeborn... [In reply to]  

    ..that you posted in the last thread VValar, is a great read. And putting my hand up as someone guilty of just over-looking Celeborn, I like the analysis of his personality and motives, as well as the Sindaran connection with Thranduil.

    Just reposting it here, for anyone that missed it:
    http://www.elfringham.dsl.pipex.com/lotrfic/celessay.html


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    In response to the news of the death of an old friend; the reappearance of an elf-slaying monster within a days walk of Lorien; and the arrival of something that could possibly damn his wife's immortal soul, Celeborn briefly loses his temper and says a few things which are less than gracious.

    And this was the moment when I started to like him.


    Now that the author puts it like that!
    My problem initially stemmed from movie-Celeborn being played by an actor from a long-running NZ soap, who also lived next door to me for a short while - and I just could not get past that. (yes it is a small place, NZ...)

    So basically, I loved this piece. In spite of all the Silm spoilers. (really? That's Thingol's fate? Frown ) It also expressed some of the reservations I've been enjoying having about Galadriel. The nice, wise, good High Elf with the deeply surpressed power drive. The author notes the questionability of some of her actions. More excellent food for thought, so thanks for sharing!



    "Thou speakest of thralldom. If thralldom it be, thou canst not escape it..."


    Kerewyn
    Rohan


    Sep 21 2014, 1:37pm

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         Plenty to muse on here... [In reply to]  

    ..and as I must get some sleep, I'll be interested in reading coming responses tomorrow. I'm also wondering if Thranduil makes any internal policy changes to his own kingdom, given his recent branching out.

    And thanking you for the last lot of WW. Soz am not giving individual responses, yet I can admit to a collective sigh of contentment, while clutching a white PJ-style mug of chai. Smile

    (and *cough* thank you for the HTR/EI warning. Likewise the two terms you previously gave me to look up. That was ..... extremely informative. I'm quite curious, in a sociological sense, to find out more.)



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    dernwyn
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    Sep 21 2014, 1:51pm

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    https://twitter.com/...803501035520/photo/1

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    VValar
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    Sep 21 2014, 3:28pm

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         TA Thread number 14!! [In reply to]  

    It seems these TA threads go faster by the minute. Number 14 you guys, great work with the appreciation of our beloved HeartElvenKingHeart and his Princeling spawn Heart


    And I love the OP picture. It's a good thing it got posted again, thanks Silverlode for that. And good choice Lurker!

    Oh how excited we all must be for BOFA, where we'll sure to get more Pretty! like this (armour + The Hair + The Look + snow + two swords(!!))




    OMG it's so pretty, I'm going to cry now Heart


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 21 2014, 3:30pm

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         Thanks for putting that wonderful image up [In reply to]  

    It wasn't complete without it Angelic

    All new imagery of Thranduil (/Legolas) deserve their own special place of worship within this thread Heart


    In Reply To
    Like this from VValar's post in TAXIII?


    Then you should be squeely for a higher res version and and then some here



    Bernhardina
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    Sep 21 2014, 5:05pm

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         That's what I am most excited about *giggle* I mean, he looks amazing in that white cold light... [In reply to]  


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    Oh how excited we all must be for BOFA, where we'll sure to get more Pretty! like this (armour + The Hair + The Look + snow + two swords(!!))




    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 21 2014, 5:42pm

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         Well if you like that.... [In reply to]  

    ....I'm sure you will also like these HR images of Thranduil! Only no snow on the first one, but that's easily forgiven Heart

    Clicky's:


    Love the details of his armour, especially his swords who are clearly exactly alike.



    **HTR Alert** with this one due to its size!




    (This post was edited by VValar on Sep 21 2014, 5:43pm)


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 21 2014, 5:56pm

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    Oef: OH yeah! Just so knee-weakening... Oy vey!



    How about this one? More LP Pretty! AngelicHeart (I'm getting a hang of these clicky's)

    Oh and:

    **HTR ALERT**
























    *squee* *swoon* *TUD*



    In Reply To
    Hey, you're doing great, you know? Adding Pretty! is the top priority and importance of TA after all. I understand the hesitation, I felt the same way before I took the plungeEvil But to any STVs who are hesitant to jump in just from thinking you've got nothing to add, just do it!Smile


    Thanks hon Yes you're right about our top priority of adding Pretty! of our object of affection, it's essential Heart

    RE FEAST Elrond/Thranduil-drinking image LOL. No I hadn't seen it before, thanks for sharing I had a good laugh!
    Oh good thinking on adding the FEASTING to the lexicon next time, I'll remind you Wink

    RE Cute Trandy/Leggy picure, hadn't seen it was a gif clicky. Even cuter!! Heart That reminds me, I found some Trandy/Leggy fanart that I shall post soon.


    (This post was edited by VValar on Sep 21 2014, 5:57pm)


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    Sep 21 2014, 6:01pm

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         Pretty sparkles [In reply to]  

    Good choice as well of having it as a OP picture!

    Btw thought you might like this:
    http://scontent-b.cdninstagram.com/...857_1460437474_a.jpg

    Heart



    (This post was edited by VValar on Sep 21 2014, 6:03pm)


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 21 2014, 6:10pm

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         **SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS** [In reply to]  

    Well possible spoilers anyway. If what is being said on the TORn board is true, be the courtesy of these threads
    http://newboards.theonering.net/...;;page=unread#unread
    http://newboards.theonering.net/...;;page=unread#unread

    So for those who would not like to be spoiled in knowing a little bit of what is possible happening in this picture:



    You shouldn't probably read this:

    Orcs have begun to hunt the surviving ppl from Laketown who had fled into the ruins of Dale and to attack them with swords and axes until finally an army of elves from Mirkwood defeat the orcs.
    Thranduil stares at the killed elves in a mixture of sadness and anger and is then approached by Gandalf who asks him to help against the forces of darkness. However, Thranduil replies that enough blood of the elves has been spilled already.

    And

    The Men of Lake-town seem to get attacked by Orcs after Esgaroth's destruction but before the Battle of the Five Armies, being aided by Thranduil who is shocked by the sight of Elves slain in this skirmish. He therefore refuses Gandalf's plea to help against the forces of Sauron (at first, obviously).


    That should be exciting Smile and even more curious to how/when Thranduil finally DOES decide to participate in the Battle of Five Armies.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 21 2014, 6:21pm

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         Even though it is not the real Leggy [In reply to]  


    In Reply To
    (in response to this post by VValar) isn't Leggy. I stumbled on a translate of a bit on this scene (spoilers so I won't post or link) and the translator says that's a stand-in.


    He's still a pretty stand-in Smile
    Here I thought OB did all of his stunts himself?


    Kim
    Valinor


    Sep 21 2014, 6:33pm

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         *sneaking in just to say* [In reply to]  

    Was that not the most hilariously random tweet? Laugh


    *sneaks back out*



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    Sep 21 2014, 6:34pm

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         Gotta love an Elf in armour [In reply to]  


    In Reply To

    Continuing from the Pretty! of Armour!Thranduil on Bubba. (VValar, make sure you're sitting down Smile)





    Especially when its our Elf that is concerned. Phew, good thing you had me seated before I viewed all the Pretty! with armour Tongue
    And to celebrate his Glory and Magnificence, here's another version of that amazing picture (clickyyyyy)




    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 21 2014, 6:48pm

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         *Waves* Hi Kim! [In reply to]  

    Hehe v funny tweet Sly


    Bernhardina
    Rohan


    Sep 21 2014, 7:09pm

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         Exciting! [In reply to]  

    I am still most curious about how Thranduil will make the decision to leave the Woodland Realm. I guess it happens early in the movie, since he will have to prepare an army and march all the way to Dale!



    dernwyn
    Forum Admin / Moderator


    Sep 21 2014, 7:31pm

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         Not random at all! [In reply to]  

    It was his response to this joke his Army played on him last night: https://twitter.com/...themall&src=typd

    "One Beard to Woo Them All,
    One Place to Find Them,
    One Beard to Bring Them All
    And In the Twittersphere Bind Them"

    Laugh


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    Kim
    Valinor


    Sep 21 2014, 7:45pm

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         Ah, I totally missed that [In reply to]  

    Makes more sense now. Still funny though. Laugh



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    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 21 2014, 8:18pm

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         Celeborn [In reply to]  

    I'm glad you and Mariel read and liked the article about Celeborn and thanks for replying. It might not be for everyone but I found it to be very interesting and insighting as well. It gave me a better insight in the character and the similarities he has with Thranduil Heart

    Thanks for reposting the link to the article, in case anyone else would like to read it someday.

    Oh I had no idea you're from NZ, did you mention it before? If so, I must have read over it. That's so cool!! You live in LotR land!! Cool

    Oops sorry for the Silm spoilers. I hadn't read it in a long while so I didn't quite remember everything that's in the article. If I had known, I would have given you a warning in advance Blush Even though I haven't read the Silm just yet, I already knew things didn't work out quite so well for Tingol heh. But I can imagine it kinda sucks when you had absolutely no idea and were in the middle of the story, so apologies!


    Lurker in the Mirk
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    Sep 22 2014, 2:11am

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         btw... Have you two seen this Leggy portrait? [In reply to]  


    http://rivaleth-of-mirkwood.tumblr.com/...7723/legolas-timothy




    Fan of both books and movies; I am a lurker by nature though it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


    Heart Thranduil Appreciation
    Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XIV
    I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII


    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Sep 22 2014, 2:14am

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         hmmm... or is it a Thranduil double? [In reply to]  

    The language isn't clear about that. Though I suppose there are stunts the actors might not be able to do themselves. Looking at the hair and the lack of armour-ish bulk plus the crownlessness of the person, I would think it's Leggy. Maybe the double's purpose is not for stunts but just for a in-shot stand-in so Thranduil can emote to Legolas without OB being there?

    In lieu of a clearer shot, I guess we might not know for sure.




    Fan of both books and movies; I am a lurker by nature though it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


    Heart Thranduil Appreciation
    Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XIV
    I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII


    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

    =======
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    Lurker in the Mirk
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    Sep 22 2014, 2:24am

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    What a collectionHeart eh?

    http://maivolchica.tumblr.com/...72124136/king-in-war

    Love the clearer view of details this 'shopped version gives us (nice LARGE version at source)

    http://maivolchica.tumblr.com/...7969327271/variation

    oohhh... swords!Heart

    http://stewardish.tumblr.com/post/98095459364

    And yes, in case anyone wonders, I am giving up on my personal penchant of the clean, smart look of clicky images, in case of accidentally calling upon my head another demonstration of Wrath of Mod again, because really, I don't keep the source links and I don't want to deprive fellow thralls of the source Pretty! Evil




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    Sep 22 2014, 2:29am

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    This fellow prolly feels the same about his completely hirsute selfLaughAngelicHeart







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    Sep 22 2014, 2:30am

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         Why sneaksy, Kim? [In reply to]  

    *puzzled* You've been around this thread. What's changed?

    .




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    Sep 22 2014, 2:37am

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    oooh... I got that for the next WWSmile

    And am reminded... had it in mind to reply to this, but getting zapped by WOM blew it out of my mind for a while.

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    http://maedhrosmaitimo.tumblr.com/...star-shadow-magician
    Have no idea what they're saying but love the 'I love mirkwood' apron

    Thranduil: Legolas, you're not going to grow any taller in this life even if you drink that white liquid all day. Come over here and have some red wine instead.
    Legolas: Take your stinking feet off the table.

    Hehe... classic FLAST but Leggy gets to sass Thrandy in return, just a little, for a changeTongue oh, just in case it's not clear, white liquid = milk






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    Sep 22 2014, 2:38am

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    Sep 22 2014, 2:38am

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    The topic had shifted over to your favorite non-Thranduil subject, didn't want to distract the Thralls. Tongue



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    Sep 22 2014, 2:39am

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    Thudding safely and responsibly should be the TA mottoTongueAngelic




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    Sep 22 2014, 2:43am

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         Oh yeah... hoping for some good discussion *where's everyone's geek?* [In reply to]  


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    And thanking you for the last lot of WW. Soz am not giving individual responses, yet I can admit to a collective sigh of contentment, while clutching a white PJ-style mug of chai. Smile

    Cool! Good to know you've had a good evening with the WWSmile



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    (and *cough* thank you for the HTR/EI warning. Likewise the two terms you previously gave me to look up. That was ..... extremely informative. I'm quite curious, in a sociological sense, to find out more.)

    heheh... you might have missed my invitation to PM, but gonna PM you anyway the Max-out EI stuff purveyed to VValarAngelic

    Oh yes, those terms. I think they're the definitive definitions of well, all this *waves at all of forum*LaughAngelic







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    Sep 22 2014, 3:01am

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    I was trying to hold out til after Quenta Silmarillion is done but I guess it'd be too long to get on this train since I've overshot the readalong scheduleEvil So here goes. It's a very lovely piece of analysis of C&G. What intrigues me, and I'm glad I'm not the only who thinks so is expressed so well by you, Kerewyn:

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    It also expressed some of the reservations I've been enjoying having about Galadriel. The nice, wise, good High Elf with the deeply surpressed power drive. The author notes the questionability of some of her actions. More excellent food for thought, so thanks for sharing!

    She is definitely not the nice perfect Elf LotR the book and movie make her out to be. And I like that. Who wants the boring perfection of goodness personified? Not me anyway.


    I think in addition to what we've been told in the Sil about her setting out for a realm to rule and her half-disclosure stunt with Melian, this sums up Mrs C perfectlyHeart

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    In fact, given the Curse of Mandos which lies over Galadriel - that all she begins will come to ruin in the end - there's a distinct possibility that it's only Celeborn's mitigating presence which has kept Lorien on the map for so long.

    &

    Possessing the Ring changed Galadriel for the worse, it increased her sea-longing and took away her joy in Middle Earth, and no doubt had the same effect on the other two bearers. The decision to take it very much repeats the theme of her departing Valinor against the will of the Valar in order to seek power for herself. No wonder - knowing her history - Celeborn was so stressed about letting the One Ring inside Lorien, where Galadriel could get her hands on it.

    Trophy husband Mr C... I wouldn't mind if that's the definition of an Elven one... though of course I much prefer his kindman to the north and east of his padHeartAngelic

    And harking back to VValar's earlier link to the proposition of close kinship between Celeborn and Thranduil, and just the importance of Sindar in ME, I love these bits:

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    To expect Celeborn to be gentle and courtly and faintly regretful is to expect him to behave like a member of a different race. He's not an Exile, yearning to return to Valinor, like Galadriel and Gildor, or a ringbearer, afflicted with the melancholy of Sea-longing, like Elrond. He's a Sindar; fiercer, more changeable, more emotionally involved in Middle Earth; operating in a different mode of elvishness than the other elf-lords in the book.

    &

    But there's a case to be made for the Sindar being more effective in Middle Earth in the long term. It's through the Sindar that the line of the Kings of Men comes into the world. It's through them that the Silmaril of Earendil escapes the clutches of the Feanorians in order to become the Evenstar. They are guiltless of the kind of atrocities to which the Noldor seem prone. They have not murdered their own kind in kinslaying, nor have they rebelled against the Valar and been cursed for it. And, of the four elven kingdoms still surviving in the third age, there is not one without a ruler of (at least some) Sindar blood.

    To be dismissive of Sindar is to ignore the ties the clan has to the ruling Elves of ME, and the ultimate ruler of Man in FA - Aragorn. And so given the histories and genealogies of the various Very Important Elves (and half-elves) of ME that do exist, I don't think the Mirkwood rulers would be just some two-bit Sindar noble line just cos of a missing genealogy from the profFrown.




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    Sep 22 2014, 3:02am

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    That's a new oneSmile




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    Sep 22 2014, 3:06am

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    Hmm... I'll keep my thoughts to myself for now, but I guess it would work the better for dramatic effect to have Thranduil resist the thought of joining in the fight even with Gandalf's beseeching him at first. The LA has really taken its toll on both Thranduil and his people. The cost of this skirmish saving the folk of Lake-town/Dale(?) must have brought back a lot of unhappy memories for his own losses.

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    Sep 22 2014, 3:08am

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    Love furry cutenessSly though hmmm... you seem extra tentatively tip-toey this time.





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    Sep 22 2014, 3:21am

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         BTS Easter Egg Find (BEEF) - More Unexpected Flash of Elf (UFE) [In reply to]  

    *hopes no one is running away screaming from acronym overload*Angelic

    Have we got BEEF? I would think so Tongue Especially @Eruvandi: another one of those "Something, something, something, something, elf!, something, something, someething" moment.

    http://it-am-i.tumblr.com/...ng-a-hobbit-set-with




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    Sep 22 2014, 10:52am

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         Fellow Thralls: BotFA Time Capsule in honour of Bilbo's birthday [In reply to]  

    Have a look here and hope to see you thereSmile




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    Sep 22 2014, 12:31pm

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    ..this might be the one place I can confess that I'm quite the fangirl of Conchita Wurst.*
    (I sometimes suspect I might be a gay man trapped in a woman's body Cool)

    Anyway ... *whistles nonchalantly* ... back to the topic....



    *google her if unfamiliar



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    Sep 22 2014, 12:39pm

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    Ah, not to worry! Don't feel bad about lacking Silm spoilers. I already vaguely know most of the major events, and I am reading so much about the Silm when I come across it, it's a surprise I hadn't been spoiled on that already.


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    Oh I had no idea you're from NZ, did you mention it before?

    Laugh You may recall my mention of meeting the Mirkwood Keeper of the Keys elf at a party in Orc-land (Auckland) who I was too shy to talk to? Blush At least I think you may have seen that ... (sorry can't find that actual post just now) I currently live in Australia but try to get back 'across the ditch' twice a year.



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    Sep 22 2014, 12:41pm

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    ...to see if LP is wearing shorts, or pyjama pants, or just a baggy hippy-style number.
    Yes, a small glimpse of flesh does appear. But I do suggest you check for yourself.Wink



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    Sep 22 2014, 12:58pm

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    She is definitely not the nice perfect Elf LotR the book and movie make her out to be. And I like that. Who wants the boring perfection of goodness personified? Not me anyway.


    I've mentioned before that meeting Thranduil got me far more interested in Elves in general. My LOTR movie impression (and remember I'm a movie-firster) from Elrond, Galadriel, Celeborn and Arwen was that Elves were all good and slightly boring folk who liked to waft around in robes, being all ephemeral and wise and other-worldly, and are far above the more "human" qualities of men, hobbits and dwarves. Then the Silm and the kin-slaying changed all that forever.

    Reading that Galadriel was eager to harken to Feanor's words and forsake Valinor made me go 'riggght'. Suddenly her temptation over the One Ring had a background for me.
    If she hadn't Celeborn, I wonder if she'd still be alive. But it's quite stunning to realise she is one of the few beings who was in Valinor at the start, and is still there in the Third Age.

    Yes, the Sindar are becoming my preferred race among the Elves. (Quite rad for a Took-loving hobbit-fancier, though my heart will always be there).



    "Thou speakest of thralldom. If thralldom it be, thou canst not escape it..."


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    Sep 22 2014, 1:01pm

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    I will, endeavour to take part before the closing date!
    You're a star for starting this, what a great idea. Smile



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    Sep 22 2014, 2:01pm

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    I do like that pic of Tauriel, it's very dramatic!Smile

    Re the scene from the trailer that the Leggy gif is from: I actually took a screen cap of Tauriel and Legolas in that scene and set it as my Twitter background. He-he!Blush

    "Home is behind the world ahead
    And there are many paths to tread
    Through shadow to the edge of night
    Until the stars are all alight.

    Mist and shadow
    Cloud and shade
    All shall fade
    All shall fade"



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    Sep 22 2014, 2:26pm

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    Very nice! *happily saves pic*Smile I really admire those who can paint and draw stuff like this. It's practically photo quality!

    "Home is behind the world ahead
    And there are many paths to tread
    Through shadow to the edge of night
    Until the stars are all alight.

    Mist and shadow
    Cloud and shade
    All shall fade
    All shall fade"



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    Sep 22 2014, 3:28pm

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    Oooooh, so *that* is what's going on in that pic! That explains the scene from the trailer where Thranduil is looking at all the dead bodies, and it confirms that the Dol Guldur stuff will happen before Botfa. Otherwise, Gandalf wouldn't be able to be there.

    I wasn't expecting any skirmishes to happen before Botfa, but it makes sense that the Laketowners who are weak from having their town destroyed would be preyed upon by orcs. The aftermath should also help set up or at least re-enforce Thranduil's attitude that he will tarry long before starting a war over gold.


    It's all getting so exciting! SQUEEE!Laugh


    P.S. I guess this also means that background, horn-blowing-elf-guy lives through the skirmish, but I still say he'll be an elven red-shirt for Botfa! Poor horn-blowing-elf-guy...Unsure

    "Home is behind the world ahead
    And there are many paths to tread
    Through shadow to the edge of night
    Until the stars are all alight.

    Mist and shadow
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    Sep 22 2014, 3:58pm

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    Quite tasty my precious...Blush


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    Sep 22 2014, 4:00pm

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    I hereby dub LP a "Ninja-Hugger." Not because he hugs ninjas, mind you, but because he's sneaky like a ninja when he hugs people in the Vlogs and appendices and it takes everyone forever to realize it was even him! First it was a dwarf and now some guy from the film crew. Will the sneaky hugging never end?!Tongue


    On a separate note, I notice that he's always taller than the people he's hugging. *swoon*Angelic

    "Home is behind the world ahead
    And there are many paths to tread
    Through shadow to the edge of night
    Until the stars are all alight.

    Mist and shadow
    Cloud and shade
    All shall fade
    All shall fade"



    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 22 2014, 6:26pm

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         About the FA ME Kings [In reply to]  

    Thanks for posting your question/discussion starter and what a nice picture you found of all current FA Kings. I don't think anyone has replied to your topic just yet? So let me be the first Smile
    First of all: out of all the five pictures, don't you think Thranduil is the one who really stands out in appearance? He looks every bit of the King he is. Surely must be the shiney, silvery/golden hair HeartAngelic



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    1. Aragorn, King of Men and the Reunited Kingdom
    2. Eomer, King of Rohan
    3. Thranduil, King of Eryn Lasgalen
    4. Thorin III, King Under The Mountain
    5. Bard II, King of Dale
    6. Anyone missing?



    Immediately thought of the other Elven leaders, Elrond, Galadriel /Celeborn and eventually Legolas. But I see you've got that covered later in your topic. They don't officially call themselves King/Queen of their Realm, they are the Lords and Lady of their 'Kingdom'. That leads me to this question: why is Thranduil called a King (when the other current Elven leaders do not share this title)?



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    Got me thinking: with all that happens in BotFA and in LotR, which of course includes the War of the Ring, what is the diplomacy and relations these Kings maintain in FA?



    Good question! How did you come up with it? I haven't really given it any thought until now. Correct me if I'm wrong but the way I read it, your question involves about the relationship between the different ME leaders, in relation to Thranduil/Eryn Lasgalen?

    It got me to revisit the ME map (http://blog.lefigaro.fr/...middle-earth-map.jpg) for a quick peek. For some reason I had been wrong all along in my assumption that Rohan laid further apart from Mirkwood than Gondor did. Which it doesn't. So yeah, I guess if Thranduil wanted to visit Legolas in Ithilien, he would have to cross through Rohan first. And he would be bound to come across some of its poplulation sooner or later. Therefor I assume he would be on reasonable good terms with them. Although I don't see EL-Rohan as very close allies, more like OK neighbours. If any of the Realms of Men would be considered a fairly close ally, it would be Gondor because Aragorn - Legolas' close friendship.

    I think Dale/LT would have good political agreements with EL due to its trading/buying and of course, like you stated, the friendship Thranduil had established with Bard in BoFA. Although I'm not sure if they can be considered close friends, because I haven't actually read TH and have no insight in how their relationship is going to play out in the end. I know the storyline to a large extent but that's about it. Assuming Bard and Thranduil would befriend, that would be a positive development for the current trading they already had going.

    Hmm don't think Thranduil would ever visit the Shire. Maybe he would pass through it while on his way to the West? Smile

    As for Lothlorien, we know Galadriel sailed West, along with Elrond, Gandalf, Frodo and Bilbo. Celeborn, however, did not:


    Celeborn returned to Lothlórien, but the power of Nenya was broken. It no longer was filled with the light and life it had before. Galadriel shortly after passed West with the other Ring-bearers. and Celeborn, weary, moved to Imladris to live with Elladan and Elrohir, Elrond’s sons. After Círdan's departure Celeborn was the last of the Wise in Middle-earth, they that had seen the glory of Valinor and the struggles of Elvenkind. It is not recorded when he sought the Grey Havens and sailed west, but when he did so he took with him the last memory of the Elder Days in Middle-earth.


    Isn't it odd that there are no recordings of both Thranduil and Celeborn of ever leaving ME to sail West? Another thing they have in common (the list keeps on growing).

    So where does this leave Lothlorien, and more specifically the Sindar Elves living in Lorien, without its leaders? I'm guessing most of these Elves either sailed West or sought other Elven establishments. Maybe they went along with Celeborn to live in Rivendell. Or maybe they went on and lived in Eryn Lasgalen.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 22 2014, 6:34pm

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    I am still most curious about how Thranduil will make the decision to leave the Woodland Realm. I guess it happens early in the movie, since he will have to prepare an army and march all the way to Dale!



    Those were my exact thoughts too. Knowing what happens in Dale and the reluctancy Thranduil shows in participating in the War makes me sooooo curious to the actual moment where Thranduil decides to stand by his allies in the upcoming War.

    And good thinking about it must be happening early in the movie because of the time it takes to travel towards Dale. Though I do think they will go through that timeframe pretty fast (like they did in RotK f.e.) so the audience wouldn't understand how much time has passed since. I mean, look at how fast the Dwarves, Legolas and Tauriel arrived in Laketown. Oh and the Orcs as well. Must take Thranduil and his big ass army a couple of movie-minutes (if we're lucky, otherwise it will more be like movie-seconds) to scoot over to Dale and beyond.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 22 2014, 6:37pm

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         That's a very nice Leggy portrait [In reply to]  

    I have seen it before and loved it. I think I even marked it as 'fav' on deviantart *checks*. Nope I haven't marked it as fav, but it looks familiair. Thanks for posting!


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 22 2014, 6:46pm

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    Looks like it's LP's Thranduil to me, same nose.

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    Maybe the double's purpose is not for stunts but just for a in-shot stand-in so Thranduil can emote to Legolas without OB being there?



    Good thinking, hadn't considered that myself but yeah that could also be a reason for the double to be present. Must make acting more easy when you have someone to focus on.
    That makes me think of something Liv Tyler once said about the kiss Arwen/Aragorn had in RotK. They wanted her to preform the scene with a double of Aragorn and she just couldn't do it. So eventually they had Viggo flown in to do the scene with her. That was a great call IMO, wouldn't want to think of Arwen and fake Aragorn making out in one of the defining scenes of RotK.


    VValar
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    Sep 22 2014, 6:53pm

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    I think I might be developing a fetisj for Thranduil in armour (if I haven't already Angelic). I mean look at him, just look......Shocked He simply looks amazing. Can't imagine any other Elf to look as good in armour as HeartThranduilHeart Well Leggy would look very handsome in his Elvenarmour as well, being his father's son after all, but still can't hold a candle toThrandy.

    Makes me wonder: do you think Legolas will be wearing any armour in the Battle of the Five Armies? We haven't seen any photos of him yet in the upcoming battle. I know he didn't wear any in the War o/t Ring. Surely Thranduil must have brought along some protective gear Leggy?


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 22 2014, 6:55pm

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         Thanks for the translation [In reply to]  

    Yeah figured the white liquid being milk heh Tongue I actually thought it was Thranduil doing the cooking and the drinking, but turns out by your translation it's the other way around.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 22 2014, 7:05pm

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    Yes it's a shame and it's well overdue Blush but I still haven't read TH. And it's such a little book, I should be able to read it long before the movie comes out in dec. But seeing as I haven't, I can't think of the reason Thranduil must have had (other than him wanting to protect Leggy) to march to Dale - LT. What does it say in the book about his decision? Surely it must not be purely treasure-driven motive? Because it's like your avatar states so nicely, he doesn't strike me as one to gather his army solely to get some of the spoils.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 22 2014, 7:12pm

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    Have a look here and hope to see you thereSmile



    Saw the thread, great initiative! Smile
    Though again, I fear I don't have any solid expectations for the film -other than expecting regular squeeing and thudding from my part that will surely happen- because I seriously don't know what to expect (yeah.... must really get my reading of TH going) Unsure


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 22 2014, 7:16pm

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    Seriously she would be the ultimate Dwarf lady (if only she would shrink a little).

    (Still the Dutch should've won the Eurovision Song Contest Angelic)


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 22 2014, 7:23pm

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         Silm spoilers and NZ roots [In reply to]  

    Phew, good think my spoilers didn't spoil all the fun in reading the Silm for you Smile

    Yep I remember you told me that. Only I made the assumption you were from Aussie instead NZ seeing as that's where you live now. But this time I'll remember! (*squee* so cool!)
    Oh and about you living next door to Marton Csokas, didn't know he was from NZ either (or is he?) His lastname sounds a bit Czech to me.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 22 2014, 7:31pm

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    I'm not really into twitter (I have an account but never use it) though I like your background-choice Smile

    PS what do you think of this lovely sketch of Legolas?
    http://th04.deviantart.net/...sh_pulse-d5wllwb.jpg


    (This post was edited by VValar on Sep 22 2014, 7:32pm)


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Sep 22 2014, 7:40pm

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    Quote
    Here I thought OB did all of his stunts himself?

    As far as I've heard, he does...

    Lol, I actually learned the following by watching the extras on the Princess Diaries 2 DVD:

    Even movies without stunts have stand-ins who have to look like the real actor. A lot of the times they come to set when the actor is too busy and the movie crew uses them to figure out how they want block the scene, set up lighting and sound appropriately, etc. They dress up like the character, stand where character is supposed to stand, and so forth. Sure, the crew doesn't always need a look-alike for that sort of thing, and they'll just use the other crew members, but sometimes the lighting people especially may want a better picture of how the actual actor will look in the scene, so if the actor is busy in make-up, or learning lines, or on a lunch break, they get the stand-in to do it. They may use them to experiment with the costumes as well since stand-ins will usually be about the same size as the actor.

    "Home is behind the world ahead
    And there are many paths to tread
    Through shadow to the edge of night
    Until the stars are all alight.

    Mist and shadow
    Cloud and shade
    All shall fade
    All shall fade"



    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 22 2014, 8:20pm

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         I didn't know that, wow1 [In reply to]  

    There's a whole lot more going on with making a movie than I had ever imagined!


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 22 2014, 8:21pm

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    No good reason Evil



    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 22 2014, 8:31pm

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    Heart


    Never gets dull Angelic


    With Bubba


    LOL


    His guards sure look tall too, almost as tall als Thranduiil himself



    mariel
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    Sep 22 2014, 8:45pm

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    one can never have too much spam!


    mariel
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    Sep 22 2014, 8:52pm

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    I was guilty of thinking stand ins were just for stunts. Never knew they did all the other stuff. Fascinating seeing how films are made. It's why I love the extras/behind the scenes clips we're treated to with the EEs.


    mariel
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    Sep 22 2014, 8:54pm

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    Some people are so talented. There are some lovely pieces of fan art ou there.


    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Sep 23 2014, 12:43am

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    That just about needed an HTR alert!Cool He's so cute!Heart

    "Home is behind the world ahead
    And there are many paths to tread
    Through shadow to the edge of night
    Until the stars are all alight.

    Mist and shadow
    Cloud and shade
    All shall fade
    All shall fade"



    Kerewyn
    Rohan


    Sep 23 2014, 2:36am

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         Great thoughts about the FA ME kings. [In reply to]  

    I have nothing new to add but really like what you've said, and agree with all.

    I feel Thranduil calls himself King because he is inspired by / modelling himself on Thingol, and he governs his realm as a kingdom. Lothlorien, however, can one call it a kingdom? Were there that many Elves even living there?

    Find myself being quite moved by: It is not recorded when he sought the Grey Havens and sailed west, but when he did so he took with him the last memory of the Elder Days in Middle-earth.

    Evil



    "Thou speakest of thralldom. If thralldom it be, thou canst not escape it..."


    Lurker in the Mirk
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    Sep 23 2014, 3:20am

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         Ah, happy to have purveyed it to you then [In reply to]  

    Smile I like the details and realism. Like you say, practically a photoSmile




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    Heart Thranduil Appreciation
    Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XIV
    I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII


    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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    Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk




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    Sep 23 2014, 3:21am

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    Looks like it's LP's Thranduil to me, same nose.

    Can you see the nose on the guy standing all that way back there?






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    Heart Thranduil Appreciation
    Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XIV
    I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII


    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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    Sep 23 2014, 3:24am

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         I was too. Until this... [In reply to]  

    Hey, mariel! Glad to see you're joining in the chatterSmile

    You might have seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZkcYBwEohA
    It's that BTS of the orc interrogation scene, featuring lots of HeartThranduil of course but in it a couple of the stand-ins talk about what they do, and disabused me of the notion their work involved stunts only. Though much thanks to Eruvandi for expanding on what they do do.Smile




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    Heart Thranduil Appreciation
    Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XIV
    I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII


    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

    =======
    Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk




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    Sep 23 2014, 3:27am

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         INteresting question. iirc... Leggy wears a mithril shirt [In reply to]  

    It's mentioned somewhere I think. But anyway, since he wasn't at the muster... I guess unless Thranduil brought his wardrobe along as well, Leggy might have to make do with what he's wearing or salvage from the fallen?



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    I mean look at him, just look......Shocked He simply looks amazing. Can't imagine any other Elf to look as good in armour as HeartThranduilHeart Well Leggy would look very handsome in his Elvenarmour as well, being his father's son after all, but still can't hold a candle toThrandy.

    LoL I think your fetish is certified, VValarSmile






    Fan of both books and movies; I am a lurker by nature though it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


    Heart Thranduil Appreciation
    Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XIV
    I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII


    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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    Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk




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    Valinor


    Sep 23 2014, 3:31am

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         Woah... though agreed with VValar [In reply to]  


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    Seriously she would be the ultimate Dwarf lady (if only she would shrink a little).

    provided the movie Dwarves are really representative of dwarven aesthetics since the ladies are supposed to be like the men.

    ... right... back to topic!








    Fan of both books and movies; I am a lurker by nature though it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


    Heart Thranduil Appreciation
    Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XIV
    I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII


    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

    =======
    Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk




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    Sep 23 2014, 3:33am

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    Yeah, looked like Thranduil was having the last word on the sass eh? I like it... quite classic oriental humour/comedy in comic-strip form.




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    Heart Thranduil Appreciation
    Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XIV
    I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII


    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

    =======
    Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk




    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Sep 23 2014, 4:20am

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    So let me be the first Smile
    First of all: out of all the five pictures, don't you think Thranduil is the one who really stands out in appearance? He looks every bit of the King he is. Surely must be the shiney, silvery/golden hair HeartAngelic

    Definitely! Thanks for being the firstSmile Whether crowned or crownless, he is the most majestic one of allHeart



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    Immediately thought of the other Elven leaders, Elrond, Galadriel /Celeborn and eventually Legolas. But I see you've got that covered later in your topic. They don't officially call themselves King/Queen of their Realm, they are the Lords and Lady of their 'Kingdom'. That leads me to this question: why is Thranduil called a King (when the other current Elven leaders do not share this title)?

    I think this has something to do with the ME framework and the respective histories of the leaders. It's not all laid out but here's a few articles on Michael Martinez' site that, imo, address part of the question and delve into the idea of titles Evil



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    Good question! How did you come up with it? I haven't really given it any thought until now. Correct me if I'm wrong but the way I read it, your question involves about the relationship between the different ME leaders, in relation to Thranduil/Eryn Lasgalen?

    Ah, thanks! It may be shocking but I have an interest in sociology and international politics (though I've sort of given up on reading newspapers in recent times due to the abject depression and the general never-learn-your-lesson dysfunction that's just getting aggravated over the years)... cos of where I live and how international events always got an impact on this tiny piece of earth I call home, plus the government's unending efforts to "build" international relationships/goodwill. Smile So I applied that interest to FA, but with Thranduil as the focusAngelic Pretty moribund and mundane eh?

    But yes to your question.


    Nice note on Rohan's proximity! Dale would probably be a respective ally/trade-partner of EL but you're right. I don't think Thranduil and Bard would be particularly close, especially as I believe Thranduil would have killer negotiator savvy and any EL/Dale trade pacts may have Bard frowning a little at the end despite the friendly ties they haveTongue

    Gondor... the interesting thing is that practically, I think any relation EL has with Gondor may be through/with the Legolas/Faramir route rather than directly between the two Kings Thranduil and Aragorn. After all, Faramir as the Steward is the one running the day-to-day, and Legolas is the one running things in the Elven settlement there. Probably some officious stuff may require Kingly signatures from time to time, but I also don't see any practical ties between Thranduil and Aragorn. Well, except if Aragorn did indeed pass through Mirkwood in his adventuresome youth and have personal rapport with Thranduil during that journeying, which is entirely possible given their shared long-ago heritage.



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    Hmm don't think Thranduil would ever visit the Shire. Maybe he would pass through it while on his way to the West? Smile

    Yeah. And Aragorn does decree that the Shire be left alone. I'd imagine he'd set the Rangers to ensure that, and unless Elves are going to the Grey Havens, they wouldn't have any reason to be in the Shire, much less do a return visit the other way. So, any interactions would probably be through snail mail only. Well, unless mothmail becomes prevalent or the Eagles diversify and start postal services.Laugh



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    It is not recorded when he sought the Grey Havens and sailed west, but when he did so he took with him the last memory of the Elder Days in Middle-earth.

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    Isn't it odd that there are no recordings of both Thranduil and Celeborn of ever leaving ME to sail West? Another thing they have in common (the list keeps on growing).

    I think this just means Celeborn does ultimately set sail, though it's not known exactly when. The intriguing bit is, if he's the last, does it refer to recent history only, or all through ME history? If the former, which I prefer, then there's still the window for Thranduil sailing on also. If the latter... bummer! BUT we know historical records are never perfectly accurate so I hopeAngelic



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    So where does this leave Lothlorien, and more specifically the Sindar Elves living in Lorien, without its leaders? I'm guessing most of these Elves either sailed West or sought other Elven establishments. Maybe they went along with Celeborn to live in Rivendell. Or maybe they went on and lived in Eryn Lasgalen.

    So if the above is right that Celeborn ultimately does set sail and is the last, that's where I think Thranduil finds his realm's population growing for a while.










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    I've mentioned before that meeting Thranduil got me far more interested in Elves in general. My LOTR movie impression (and remember I'm a movie-firster) from Elrond, Galadriel, Celeborn and Arwen was that Elves were all good and slightly boring folk who liked to waft around in robes, being all ephemeral and wise and other-worldly, and are far above the more "human" qualities of men, hobbits and dwarves. Then the Silm and the kin-slaying changed all that forever.

    Yeah, Thranduil made all the difference to my impression of Elves being comatose ethereal beings who did not really care about ME going to the wargs. Though the Silm did lay out the tragedy of being Elf - to be doomed to live until Arda ends, with no idea of what comes after... I guess the doom of Men may look like a secret sweet deal no one else was privvy to after the drama of living through to the end of SA.Evil



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    If she hadn't Celeborn, I wonder if she'd still be alive. But it's quite stunning to realise she is one of the few beings who was in Valinor at the start, and is still there in the Third Age.

    Yay CelebornSmile



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    Yes, the Sindar are becoming my preferred race among the Elves. (Quite rad for a Took-loving hobbit-fancier, though my heart will always be there).

    Kinda like having a summer home, your home away from home eh?







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    Sep 23 2014, 4:41am

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    In the book we're just told Thranduil gathers his army and marches out for Erebor after the getting news about Smaug. Frankly, I do not see what the big issue some book readers seem to have with that. It just makes sense, for socio and geo-political reasons to do so. Why should a ruler who makes that decision in that climate brand him as greedy, and get aspersions cast on his character is what I don't get. So I love that line in my avatar, because it balances that abject greedy jerk thing that some seem so eager to mark Thranduil with.

    I've basically outlined my thoughts around this in one of my responses in the last CHOW but I'll paste it here in case you've missed it.





    *slaps alert on*
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    We get plenty of examples here on Earth about the realities of that: the lovely Spratlys, that perennial example of contentious claims for want of a less sensitive representation of a most sensitive topic, is the obvious tip of that iceberg. Even the two most recent territorial/military incursions/events are based on that to a certain extent.

    At least in this particular event in ME, among the Free Peoples, things are a lot more civilised - Thranduil's going in only after hearing the news. Yes, I know, it's probably something he's been hoping for a while with regards to Smaug leaving the building, but for the Dwarves, he did express regret and a smidgeon of solidarity at their presumed demise. He's not the total jerk the world at large seem to want paint him as just cos. And as a long-lived ruler, I see his decision to go grab treasure as sound decision-making on his part to ensure that wealth and by extension power did not fall into the grabby paws of orcs or worse.
    What better way than to have it come to his people? Of course we know ultimately, after learning the realities of the situation, he stepped aside and renounced all claims - which has to be informed in part by relations between Mirkwood and Laketown. But as you point out, I think the neglect of this will hurt the Laketown story-arc because the audience won't get or buy why Thranduil so readily step aside, after the impression they've gotten of him thus far.
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    Hmm... it may look so, but really, I am not a Thranduil apologist, even though I am his ThrallAngelic I feel it's not just pure altruism on his part (though I don't question his altruism per se) to just step aside for Bard's claim, simply because with his savvy, he's not going to just lend support to someone or his claim if he doesn't have some knowledge of that someone. Thranduil wasn't born yesterday: if he had any suspicion that Bard's claim may be detrimental to Mirkwood in anyway he would have challenged Laketown's claim. In that sense, the story would have benefitted so much more even from a little insight on Mirkwood-Laketown beyond that little spiel by Bard on how the Master depends on Mirkwood for all the trade and wouldn't dare cross Thranduil in any way. Just a few frames of that Laketown pub-crawl of Elves and Men would have helped heaps already.]

    Anyway, I don't see how Thranduil's actions with regards to the treasure and his support of Bard's claim could be attributed to a treasure-crazed caricature. I think his conduct speaks so much better of his character and history as a ruler than many may deem. Definitely it's much more than can be said for Earthy real-life examples.
    All right, I'll stop here even though I don't see any signal source problems, but as I have no influence on receivers, best to leave it now as I don't want to spend the weekend dealing with views formed of insistently garbled reception. That's not to say I can't deal with opposing views, at least I hope I have conducted myself competently in that regard. I just don't have interest in conversing with or through insistent misunderstandings.Smile
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    Sep 23 2014, 4:44am

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    P.S. I guess this also means that background, horn-blowing-elf-guy lives through the skirmish, but I still say he'll be an elven red-shirt for Botfa! Poor horn-blowing-elf-guy...Unsure

    He's not Elros the key-keeper right? I'd wager he might be that messenger who gets shot at by Thorin after telling him to eat the gold in Erebor for lunch
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    Sep 23 2014, 4:45am

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    Wondered if anyone would. Meself, I vote for option 3 pleaseSmile




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    Sep 23 2014, 4:49am

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    And how true! Let's add that to the lexiconSmile


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    Will the sneaky hugging never end?!Tongue

    i hope not. Makes for some nice BEEFAngelic



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    On a separate note, I notice that he's always taller than the people he's hugging. *swoon*Angelic

    Heh... I have a feeling it's a pretty tough order to be taller than LP since he is so tall!






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    Sep 23 2014, 4:50am

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    ThanksSmile




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    Sep 23 2014, 4:51am

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    That's the fun. A mental snapshot of your thoughts right nowSmile Whether you've read the book, want nothing to do with it or can't remember crap about it.




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    when the Party King gets going... I find myself empathising with LegolasEvil




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    Sep 23 2014, 4:53am

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    Sep 23 2014, 9:39am

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    heheheh

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    Legolas cannot lieLaugh

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    And this just had me laughing... Guess who? May not be a "Get-it" kind of thing for others, but eh... seafood Dwarf, tw readers

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    Sep 23 2014, 2:55pm

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    I tend to agree with you. I didn't find that Thranduil came across as particularly personally greedy. The book mentioned that he had a weakness for treasure, but the way I read it was that he wanted it for the prestige it would bestow upon him in relation to other Elven rulers, rather than just wanting it because he liked gold and jewels. Then when he heard that Smaug was dead and believing the dwarves must have perished it would make sense for him to try and claim some of the treasure for his people. At the time his kingdom was under siege from the dark powers at Dol Guldur and if they got possession of it things could be made a whole lot worse for him. However. when he arrived with his army and was asked for aid by the Laketowners he turned his whole force aside to help – didn't send some to help and others to get some of the [believed at the time to be unguarded] treasure. And then, when Dain and his army showed up it was Bard who wanted to fight them, but Thranduil refused saying [as in your avatar] that long would he tarry ere he started a battle for gold and hoped for some sort of reconciliation and it was actually the dwarves who made the first moves in the offensive. As it turned out it was lucky for the dwarves and men that the elves [and Beorn and the eagles who came a bit later] were there when the battle with the orcs/goblins, wargs etc attacked or they would have been overwhelmed and there would be no dwarf kingdom again in Erebor. The goblins had come to attack the dwarves to avenge the death of their king and also attain domination in the north , but they also made a beeline for the treasure when they heard of the death of Smaug. After the battle was over Thranduil didn't ask for any compensation and nor was he, or Beorn or the eagles offered any by the dwarves. In fact the only act of generosity came from Bard who gave a necklace [emeralds in the book] to Thranduil and a chest of gold and silver to Bilbo.
    Of course, I'm aware from reading your previous thread that others view Thranduil's motives totally differently, which is completely their prerogative, and it seems that never the twain shall meet. I don't think the movie portrayal helps either, showing him lusting after the starlight jewels, both in the AUJ EE and in the confrontation with Thorin, things that didn't actually happen in the book.
    I hope this ramble makes some sort of sense, but it is just my view of things and like you I'm not interested in getting involved in the same argument or trying to change the minds of others. Mind you, I don't think Thranduil is a perfect being – far from it – that would make him very boring.


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    Sep 23 2014, 2:59pm

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    I had looked up his name awhile ago, but I forgot it when I wrote the post so I got lazy and called him horn-blowing-elf-guy...again.Crazy His name is Feren and he's played by Simon London who's pretty cute, IMO.Heart

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    LOL! Yeah, me too!

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    Sep 23 2014, 4:55pm

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    Heh... I have a feeling it's a pretty tough order to be taller than LP since he is so tall!

    Clearly I missed that post because I had no idea he was over 6'5"! Yes, suddenly all those pics of him towering over people who are supposed to be 6'3" and ladies having to stand on boxes to kiss himHeartHeartHeart make much more sense. And he even had to kneel down for the costume people to adjust his headdress? Wow!

    *swoon and THUD and swoon and THUD*HeartHeartHeart

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    Sep 23 2014, 5:49pm

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         I loved your analysis of Thranduil's motives Lurker ! [In reply to]  

    Very, very nice. I also think that when the great professor wrote about Thranduil in the Hobbit - he still had in his great mind the fact that Thranduil (and his dad) came from Doriath, the horrible wars they went through, losing his dad during the battle of the Last Alliance (remember - the great professor was also a veteran of World War I and saw the horrors of the Western Front in France).

    Thranduil marched thinking about his people - IMHO - first and foremost and my thoughts/appraisal about his "greediness" has changed a great deal over the years. Nice analysis dear friend. HeartSmileHeart


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    Sep 23 2014, 7:08pm

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    I believe it was the Cloaks and Daggers book that says Leggy has a mithril shirt and you can see it under his tunic? in several pics.



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    It's mentioned somewhere I think. But anyway, since he wasn't at the muster... I guess unless Thranduil brought his wardrobe along as well, Leggy might have to make do with what he's wearing or salvage from the fallen?

    If he didn't wear armor for all those big LOTR battles I don't think he's wear armor for Botfa. (Even if he would look gooood in it!Wink) Anyway, with all of the running and jumping he does while fighting, it would probably just slow him down, hence the Mithril which is light and still protective.

    Re the muster: Leggy could still be at the muster even though he was chasing Bolg at the end of DOS. At the beginning of the Botfa teaser trailer we can see Leggy and Tauriel from the back as they watch the refugees, with a smoking Laketown in the background. Since we now know that Thranduil shows up to help the Laketowners after they've gotten to Dale and the place in that pic is not Dale, we can assume that Leggy comes back before that time. IIRC, in the book, Thranduil first heard about Smaug's death via the birds, but PJ doesn't seem to want to use talking animals of any form, so I think Leggy may take the place of the birds and go tell his father what has happened.


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    Until the stars are all alight.

    Mist and shadow
    Cloud and shade
    All shall fade
    All shall fade"



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    Sep 23 2014, 7:11pm

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         Interesting thoughts! [In reply to]  

    Certainly all opinions are welcome...though not all are as popular!!Tongue

    I thank you for your own perspective on this topic, and welcome you to the forum!!

    If I may, I'd like to add a small suggestion here. Your text came up in one large block. It's a bit hard on the eyes and makes your post look incredibly dense and difficult to read. Unfortunately, that will make some people opt to gloss over your valuable thoughts, so in the interest of readability, perhaps some paragraph/line breaks might be included in your next post?Smile

    I hope I don't sound mean or unkind, but I do want you to get the most responses to your excellent points.

    Welcome to the boards mariel!!!

    Call me Rem, and remember, not all who ramble are lost...Uh...where was I?


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    Sep 23 2014, 7:42pm

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    You don't sound in the least mean or unkind. Thanks for the welcome and the advice. I shall certainly bear it mind if I ever feel moved to spout on at length again.Smile


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    Sep 23 2014, 8:19pm

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    I bet if we see Thranduil laugh a bit more in BoFA, we could see where Leggy gets his dashing and enchanting smile from. Although I think there will be little reason for Thranduil to smile in the midst of all the fighting. Maybe if he sees Legolas is alive and well after the battle?

    This was one of my favourite moments of Legolas (or in general) in FotR because he has such a sweet and beautiful smile Heart Oh and oopsie about forgetting the HTR alert. I won't forget for the next time:

    HTR alert Sly

    (because it's sooo big and it's Leggy)
    http://fc09.deviantart.net/...theother-d71cxcv.jpg


    And another one of my favourite fanart of Thranduil. This is actually not a screencap but digital art!
    http://fc02.deviantart.net/...nocanine-d7hd8vb.png


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 23 2014, 8:57pm

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    Thanks for your reply and good to know we agree on a lot of things. I already agreed with Lurker for the most part so it's save to say there's a lot of mutual understanding among the Thralls Smile


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    I feel Thranduil calls himself King because he is inspired by / modelling himself on Thingol, and he governs his realm as a kingdom. Lothlorien, however, can one call it a kingdom? Were there that many Elves even living there?



    You could be right since he also wanted to gain treasure for the sheer status it would bestow upon him (not because he simply likes gold and shiney objects). But Oropher was King before Thranduil, making him Prince until Oropher fell in Dagorlad, thus gaining the titel of King after his father died. I believe I somewhere read that the Silvan Elves wanted to make Oropher their King, though I can't seem to find the entire article anymore. I did however find the following writing about the subject of Oropher being named King:

    He eventually ended up in Greenwood the Great, where Silvan Elves of Nandorin descent lived, and he was taken by them as lord.

    The Silvan Elves, who originally lived in the south of Greenwood, accepted Oropher as their King, who ruled from his capital on Amon Lanc. Over the course of the Second Age they gradually moved north to live around the Emyn Duir.


    Though it doesn't specifically state the Silvan's actually giving Oropher (and Thranduil) the title of King and Prince, one could imply the only reason Oropher and Thranduil used this status is because it was given to them. And obviously they accepted their offer and became their respective leaders and ruled over the Silvans and part of the Sindar.



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    Sep 23 2014, 9:11pm

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    Titeled 'hmmm... or is it a Thranduil double?' I thought you meant it was not the real Thranduil we see there, but a double. Whereas I replied it looked like the real LP Thranduil to me, cause same nose etc. But you obviously meant something else, the double we see in the background is not Leggy's but Thrandy's double? Though he looks like a Leggy 2 to me Smile Aaaaaanyway, no biggie, my reply wasn't that interesting. But it's nice to know it's being read and if I'm not very clear about what I mean (or misread something) you ask me about it.

    PS this is the freakin' 3rd(!) time I had to rewrite my post because the TORn went into an error. Good thing it wasn't such a long post Crazy


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    Sep 23 2014, 9:24pm

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         About Leggy's mithril shirt [In reply to]  

    It's clearly visible in this poster:
    Heart
    http://nerdreactor.com/...on-smaug-legolas.jpg

    Hmm you're right, Thranduil doesn't seem like the type who would pack some of Legolas garments along for the road.



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    LoL I think your fetish is certified, VValarSmile


    Hehe just can't help myself Angelic
    I love Legolas' as-close-as-it-gets-armour in this picture. Though it certainly isn't the full gear Thranduil is wearing, it's more than we've seen him put on ever before. And it looks like it protects the most important parts of the body (neck, chest)..... Hmm well come to think of it while studying it a little closer, it doesn't seem to do a whole lot of protecting lol. I mean it surely would not deflect a flying arrow straight for his heart. But oh well, it looks nice Tongue But he hasn't got it on him in Laketown so I guess he won't be wearing any armour in the Battle of Five Armies.


    http://images6.fanpop.com/...36377626-834-354.png


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 23 2014, 9:52pm

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    Thanks for the good reads! By the looks of it anyone with any land and a couple of followers could start his own Kingdom lol, it doesn't take a whole lot to become a King in ME it seems. Although being accepted by your fellow leaders/Kings across MIddle Earth would be something else entirely. Still, like I said in my post to Kerewyn, it might appear Oropher was given the title of King by his Silvan followers. Though it's still fairly open for interpretation. Still if this were true, by what right could the Silvan just name a 'random' Elf, who was not even of the same Elven race, their King? Though he might not be as randomly selected as one would assume by reading the text:

    In the Beleriandic society of the First Age, only very few Elves were endowed with the title of “prince” (.............) Though Oropher (and by default Thranduil) is, as generally known, of Sindarin origin, Tolkien considered his identity delicate enough as to place and discuss him in a segment of restricted content dedicated only to the “Sindarin Princes of Silvan Elves”.



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    I don't think Thranduil and Bard would be particularly close, especially as I believe Thranduil would have killer negotiator savvy and any EL/Dale trade pacts may have Bard frowning a little at the end despite the friendly ties they haveTongue


    LOL at your description of Thranduil's trading and negotiator abilities being all savvy and calculating. He's just so smart Heart

    Re Gondor's relations with Eryn Lasgalen, good point about most contact would probably go (if any) through Faramir and Legolas (of course) since Faramir is the Steward and Aragorn would probably not occupy himself too much with keeping a close relationship with Thranduil. Although interesting thought you have about this might be very differently than we percieve if Aragorn/Thranduil would have met before. Didn't Aragorn take Gollum to Mirkwood to ask the Elves if they could watch him? He must have asked Thranduil's permission, so I'm sure they would have met before (only I'm not sure Thranduil would have taking much liking in Aragorn if this was their only contact).



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    I think this just means Celeborn does ultimately set sail, though it's not known exactly when. The intriguing bit is, if he's the last, does it refer to recent history only, or all through ME history? If the former, which I prefer, then there's still the window for Thranduil sailing on also. If the latter... bummer! BUT we know historical records are never perfectly accurate so I hopeAngelic



    I'm with you on that one, I'd ike to understand this means Celeborn DID eventually leave ME and sail West. And by being the last of the Eldar to remember the Elder days in ME, this would mean Thranduil indeed left before him. Ahh let me have my happy thought on this one, I would be very sad to learn otherwise. It makes sense of Celeborn eventually sailing West, to be reunited with Galadriel.




    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 23 2014, 9:58pm

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    If she hadn't Celeborn, I wonder if she'd still be alive. But it's quite stunning to realise she is one of the few beings who was in Valinor at the start, and is still there in the Third Age.


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    Yay CelebornSmile



    Coz he is cool Cool A little appreciation for another Sindar Prince (like Thranduil Heart)





    Tongue
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    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 23 2014, 10:12pm

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    Thanks for your elaborate post!

    It's clear to me that it's a general misconception Thranduil went treasure hunting, after learning Smaug had died, just because he wanted to fill up his treasure chamber. It's like he said in DOS to Thorin: "I warned your grandfather of what his greed would summon, but he would not listen." This tells me Thranduil does not gather treasure just because, and he would certainly not risk the lives of him or his people to get a few more shiney objects (unlike the Dwarves, who did not reconsider their actions and what it could lead to). Thranduil is so very wise like that, taking everything in consideration Heart


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 23 2014, 10:25pm

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    when the Party King gets going... I find myself empathising with LegolasEvil



    Lol I know what you mean, Legolas would not be pleased Evil







    Clicky (Cool)



    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 23 2014, 10:34pm

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    Lol @ Legolas resists the Battle Elk 'Mindy' cartoon Sly

    Clicky ! Evil





    Oh and just because I hadn't posted this pic of Thranduil in a long time. Here's a very nice HR Pretty! of Thranduil HeartHeart
    (Clicky)



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    Gondor


    Sep 23 2014, 10:37pm

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         About horn-blowing-Elf-guy [In reply to]  

    You know I have a bad feeling about Feren as well Unsure............ He seems like a nice and loyal Elf. Let's hope he'll survive. I saw him running around with Legolas in a behind the scene episode, which means he must still be alive at that time.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 23 2014, 10:52pm

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    At the time his kingdom was under siege from the dark powers at Dol Guldur and if they got possession of it things could be made a whole lot worse for him.

    when he arrived with his army and was asked for aid by the Laketowners he turned his whole force aside to help

    when Dain and his army showed up it was Bard who wanted to fight them, but Thranduil refused



    Such wisdom Heart And self preservance (thus also saving the lifes of his Elves) Heart And brave Heart Angelic



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    In fact the only act of generosity came from Bard who gave a necklace [emeralds in the book] to Thranduil


    That sounds a bit greedy to me. Just risked his life in a war he didn't want to fight in the first place, all he gets in return is some necklace. Gah, I hope Thranduil made the ungoing trade agreements very favourable for himself, seeing as the Laketowners had enough gold to spare Mad


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 23 2014, 10:56pm

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    I love you added this picture of Legolas. Is it the same as your Twitter background?



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    If he didn't wear armor for all those big LOTR battles I don't think he's wear armor for Botfa. (Even if he would look gooood in it!Wink) Anyway, with all of the running and jumping he does while fighting, it would probably just slow him down, hence the Mithril which is light and still protective.


    Good point, I guess we won't be seeing Legolas in armour then. Though it's a bit of a missed opportunity if you ask me, just imagine him and Thranduil fighting side by side in their smashing armour outfit, in the middle of the snowstorm, looking all etherial and dangerous and just smoking hot Heart



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    so I think Leggy may take the place of the birds and go tell his father what has happened.



    I hope/think if this moment happens, it wil be early on in the movie. And I do hope it happens! A little more father-son interaction.


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    Sep 24 2014, 11:02am

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    I bet if we see Thranduil laugh a bit more in BoFA, we could see where Leggy gets his dashing and enchanting smile from. Although I think there will be little reason for Thranduil to smile in the midst of all the fighting. Maybe if he sees Legolas is alive and well after the battle?

    Yes. And if he's still stern because he needs to maintain the dignity of father and ruler, I'm hoping we see some surely heartmelting smiles when he bids farewell to Bilbo as in the book.Heart




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    Sep 24 2014, 11:06am

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    But it's nice to know it's being read and if I'm not very clear about what I mean (or misread something) you ask me about it.

    Sure! I would like if my words aren't clear that I am given the opportunity to clarify so I try to do that too. You know, karma and all thatSmile



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    PS this is the freakin' 3rd(!) time I had to rewrite my post because the TORn went into an error. Good thing it wasn't such a long post Crazy

    ooooh... sorry to hear that! I've been having some problems as well. Generic post-death seems to be occurring with increasing frequency. I'm making it a point to copy out post content before I hit "Preview
    Post" or "Post Reply". Heck, sometimes uploading an attachment does that too. Drives me nuts.







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    Sep 24 2014, 11:09am

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    Hmm you're right, Thranduil doesn't seem like the type who would pack some of Legolas garments along for the road.

    I think Thranduil just might do so, just cos he's bringing the army along and Legolas will be sticking out like a sore thumb when they reunite.Smile





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    Sep 24 2014, 11:11am

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    Re the muster: Leggy could still be at the muster even though he was chasing Bolg at the end of DOS. At the beginning of the Botfa teaser trailer we can see Leggy and Tauriel from the back as they watch the refugees, with a smoking Laketown in the background. Since we now know that Thranduil shows up to help the Laketowners after they've gotten to Dale and the place in that pic is not Dale, we can assume that Leggy comes back before that time. IIRC, in the book, Thranduil first heard about Smaug's death via the birds, but PJ doesn't seem to want to use talking animals of any form, so I think Leggy may take the place of the birds and go tell his father what has happened.

    interesting theory, and plausible too... *suspicious* do you have something with the word "script" stamped on it on your person somewhere?Tongue






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    Sep 24 2014, 11:23am

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         Point! Point! And Point! mariel [In reply to]  

    Thanks for sharing, and filling in the holes in my spiel.Smile



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    Of course, I'm aware from reading your previous thread that others view Thranduil's motives totally differently, which is completely their prerogative, and it seems that never the twain shall meet. I don't think the movie portrayal helps either, showing him lusting after the starlight jewels, both in the AUJ EE and in the confrontation with Thorin, things that didn't actually happen in the book.

    Yeah... sometimes I even skip threads because it's been brought up repeatedly and I've said my piece... though it seems when I put up my $0.02 in other threads I get silence: there's little interest in discussion or maybe I'm just on ignore more than I know. Whatever. So comes a point time ought to be better spent so I might as well kick back, relax, purvey Pretty!, preach to the converted (and be surer of getting a response) and just stay hereAngelic



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    I hope this ramble makes some sort of sense, but it is just my view of things and like you I'm not interested in getting involved in the same argument or trying to change the minds of others. Mind you, I don't think Thranduil is a perfect being – far from it – that would make him very boring.

    Perfectly sensible ramble! Smile And yes, Thranduil's perfection as an Elf is precisely because he's such an imperfect being. Just can't get enough of flawed BEAUTY.HeartHeartHeart ... I think I'm starting some insensible ramble, better quit while I'm aheadBlush






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    Sep 24 2014, 11:24am

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         Rem, you have such a way with words, saying that so well. Thanks // [In reply to]  

     




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    Sep 24 2014, 11:27am

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         *puts nerd on* mariel... [In reply to]  

    just wondering if perhaps you're composing your response in Word and pasting it onto the post editor? I find that my Word template automatically double-spaces paragraphs and I end up with posts looking like yours if I didn't add another ENTER after each paragraph (I could edit the Word template of course, but somehow never got round to itCrazyTongue). If it's a different thing, forgive me for poking my nose in.Blush




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    Sep 24 2014, 11:37am

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    That sounds a bit greedy to me. Just risked his life in a war he didn't want to fight in the first place, all he gets in return is some necklace. Gah, I hope Thranduil made the ungoing trade agreements very favourable for himself, seeing as the Laketowners had enough gold to spare Mad

    Well, it wasn't that Bard kept the lion's share for himself. Due to how things play out, at least in the book, Bard got 1/14 of the treasure, which was ceded by Bilbo to him. Bard's claim was on behalf of the affected people from Smaug's attack, and he expected to use it to rebuild both Laketown and Dale, after rewarding the warriors wtih him. I felt he might have been a bit more prudent with who and what he gift actually. But he very thoughtfully gave Thranduil a necklace that he knew Thranduil liked.

    From the book:
    Even a fourteenth share was wealth exceedingly great, greater than that of many mortal kings. From that treasure Bard sent much gold to the Master of Lake-town; and he rewarded his followers and friends freely. To the Elvenking he gave the emeralds of Girion, such jewels as he most loved, which Dain had restored to him.

    I do hope this just meant the jewels were just specifically for Thranduil, and that Bard also
    recognised the elven warriors.





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    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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    Sep 24 2014, 11:39am

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    Thranduil marched thinking about his people - IMHO - first and foremost

    On top of your first paragraph, this!Smile






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    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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    Sep 24 2014, 11:43am

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    This tells me Thranduil does not gather treasure just because, and he would certainly not risk the lives of him or his people to get a few more shiney objects (unlike the Dwarves, who did not reconsider their actions and what it could lead to). Thranduil is so very wise like that, taking everything in consideration Heart

    Perhaps in some deep corner of his heart, Thranduil may desire treasure for its sake - who doesn't? (let he without sin cast the first stone and all that mumbo jumbo), but well, if he really was that insensibly avaricious, he'd have thrown his army at Smaug as soon as the embers of Dale stopped burning and the Dwarves left the area. Why wait until this point in time? So yes, agree with youSmile







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    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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    Sep 24 2014, 11:46am

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    Feren it is.

    Got a personal mathom here: Strangely, there's this mad thread in my mind that just invokes that blondish Gondorian who tells Gandalf "Long has Denethor seen this" to which Gandalf answered "Seen but done nothing" when Faramir was dragged through the gates after that disastrous run at OsgiliathCrazy




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    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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    Sep 24 2014, 11:49am

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    and quite a few other posts over the threads addressed to youEvil

    but... back to topic:

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    ...suddenly all those pics of him towering over people who are supposed to be 6'3" and ladies having to stand on boxes to kiss himHeartHeartHeart make much more sense. And he even had to kneel down for the costume people to adjust his headdress? Wow!

    doesn't it though?Smile HeartHeartHeart




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    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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    Sep 24 2014, 11:51am

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    GIF!




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    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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    Sep 24 2014, 11:52am

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    That's exactly what I did. I'll have to watch for that in future if I ever get long winded again! Thanks for the advice
    Smile


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    Sep 24 2014, 12:18pm

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    Source

    Laugh





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    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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    Valinor


    Sep 24 2014, 12:21pm

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    Glad to helpSmile Well, if I may, one alternative: if you're just making a response with no special formatting, and if you're comfortable with it, try using Notepad. That will save you the trouble of having to hit enter twice.




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    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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    Tol Eressea


    Sep 24 2014, 3:46pm

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    interesting theory, and plausible too... *suspicious* do you have something with the word "script" stamped on it on your person somewhere?Tongue

    LOL, I wish! I just enjoy putting on my Sherlock Holmes hat and seeing if I can deduce thing from how PJ's been setting things up. For example, he's already made it so that the thrush flying to Bard and telling him about the chink in Smaug's armor is unnecessary because Bard knows the legends about the loose scale. He's made it unnecessary for Roac, the creaky old raven to tell the dwarves that Smaug is dead too, because A: The dwarves seem to be able to see Laketown from the mountain and B: there are four dwarves in Laketown that can tell them exactly what happened from an eye-witness perspective when they catch up to the rest of the company. So basically, the company will be able watch Laketown being destroyed and see Smaug be shot and fall into the Lake. Unlike the book, there will be no question as to where he went.

    Speaking of which, I figure this shot from the teaser trailer of Bilbo staring off into the distance with the dwarves in the background just calmly doing whatever, may be him watching the smoke rise from Laketown the morning after Smaug is killed and feeling bad that all that death was basically their fault.



    Anyway, back to Tauriel and Leggy. Along with Legolas taking the place of the birds as messengers, I think they'll be the two elves who capture Bilbo when he sneaks out of the mountain to deliver the Arkenstone to Thranduil, which would explain this bit from Vlog 11. Pretty sure that red thing in Gandalf's left hand is the Arkenstone wrapped up in cloth.


    Basically Bilbo will be captured with Arkenstone on his person and at some point as Leggy and Tauriel escort him though Dale, they'll run into Gandalf *happy reunion time* and then they'll all go to Thranduil and Bard and let Bilbo explain himself.

    Just wait and see. It'll happen.Wink

    "Home is behind the world ahead
    And there are many paths to tread
    Through shadow to the edge of night
    Until the stars are all alight.

    Mist and shadow
    Cloud and shade
    All shall fade
    All shall fade"



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    Sep 24 2014, 4:04pm

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    I bet if we see Thranduil laugh a bit more in BoFA, we could see where Leggy gets his dashing and enchanting smile from. Although I think there will be little reason for Thranduil to smile in the midst of all the fighting. Maybe if he sees Legolas is alive and well after the battle?
    Yes. And if he's still stern because he needs to maintain the dignity of father and ruler, I'm hoping we see some surely heartmelting smiles when he bids farewell to Bilbo as in the book.Heart

    Yeah, saying farewell to Bilbo would be a great place to have Thranduil actually smile for once while still maintaining his dignity. I think it would be nice if he'd show at least a little emotion towards his own son, though. It doesn't have to be a big display of emotion or anything, just a little fatherly concern that his only son went AWOL and he didn't know if he was Ok would be more than enough.

    "Home is behind the world ahead
    And there are many paths to tread
    Through shadow to the edge of night
    Until the stars are all alight.

    Mist and shadow
    Cloud and shade
    All shall fade
    All shall fade"



    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 24 2014, 10:27pm

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    No posting goblins just yet (Shocked) but since this is only my first post they could still happen.

    Oh and if anything is unclear in my posts, please feel free to ask me about it anytime (but you already did so I'm sure you'll be just fine asking for any clarification when needed).


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    Rohan


    Sep 24 2014, 10:28pm

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    I can't believe I had never seen that BTS of the orc interogation scene! (well I can believe actually - I don't spend a great deal of time trawling You Tube, even for TH stuff, as it quickly uses up my pathetic 2GB allowance - yep I'm on a budget at moment...)

    Fantastic! SmileSmile
    LP Heart
    Also, EL's knife-twirling skillz. Heart

    And I note one of those picture double guys was also on another B-Roll clip, in which he landed the job of plane-spotting. Wouldn't it be great to be an all-rounder on the set, and be able to jump into a variety of small but useful jobs as needed.


    OK, now to catch up. I've been waylaid in Victor Hugo world last coupla days, having just been to see Les Miserables on stage.



    "Thou speakest of thralldom. If thralldom it be, thou canst not escape it..."

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    Sep 24 2014, 10:32pm

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    .... Leggy in armour you reckon? Well we'll just have to wait and see if it's going to happen. Personally, you know what I woud like to see Angelic What he wore in Helm's Deep wasn't nearly enough to satisfy my (fangirlish) needs. Plus he didn't even wear nice and shiney Elven armour at that time. So imagine what he would look like in a (small) downgrade version of Thranduil's armour..... Heart



    PS we're on page 6 already. We're on fire Evil


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    Sep 24 2014, 10:35pm

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    ooooh... sorry to hear that! I've been having some problems as well. Generic post-death seems to be occurring with increasing frequency. I'm making it a point to copy out post content before I hit "Preview Post" or "Post Reply". Heck, sometimes uploading an attachment does that too. Drives me nuts.

    I had generic post death in here just the other day and couldn't figure out what happened. I hadn't even been writing for that long when it happened, but I hit "preview post" and it was gone just like that. Nice to know it wasn't something I did something wrong.Crazy

    "Home is behind the world ahead
    And there are many paths to tread
    Through shadow to the edge of night
    Until the stars are all alight.

    Mist and shadow
    Cloud and shade
    All shall fade
    All shall fade"



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    Gondor


    Sep 24 2014, 10:53pm

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    so I might as well kick back, relax, purvey Pretty!, preach to the converted (and be surer of getting a response) and just stay hereAngelic



    Yeah you just stay here and preach to the converted as you so nicely put it Cool I sure appreciate the discussions and everyone's opinions. Personally, I learn something new almost everytime a new discussion is put up in this thread Smile



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    And yes, Thranduil's perfection as an Elf is precisely because he's such an imperfect being. Just can't get enough of flawed BEAUTY.HeartHeartHeart



    Hehe flawed beauty, way to describe Heart Thranduil Heart

    Btw what did you think of Legolas' portrayal in LotR, and again in TH? Did you think he was just a perfect Elf, or did you perceive some flaws?
    For me LotR Legolas is quite a bit different from TH Legolas. That's not to say I don't like TH Legolas, on the contrary! Despite what some people might think of this new portrayal of him. I love we get to see the more dangerous and wild side of Legolas, he takes more after his father in these movies (character wise) like that. LoTR Legolas was near perfect to me, except his little quarrel with Gimli in the beginning in FotR, and the ye of little faith-moment in TT movie version with Aragorn before the battle of Helm's Deep. Other than that he was perfect imo, perfect shooting, perfect fighting, perfect tricks, perfect friend (loyal, kind, etc.). I did read the LoTR but I don't exactly recall any specific character developments of him that were less than pretty (but it's fairly possible I might be missing some, since it has been too long when I last read it). Anyway like I said, in DOS Legolas seems more dangerous to me and has a don't mess with me-attitude towards the Dwarves obviously. He isn't all that nice to the Orc either, no problem of holding a knife to his throat, ready to cut him open if the Orc gives him but the slightest of reason. I could not picture LotR Legolas doing that, he dealt with his enemies swiftly and without any hassle. But to TH Legolas it appeares to be just a walk in the park.


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    Sep 24 2014, 10:58pm

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    See, I learn something new every day Smile And thanks for the book quote Heart

    So Bard wasn't all that greedy and bad as I thought he was. Though (and this might sound as a very silly question but keep in mind I don't know TH book version storyline) why did he only got 1/14 of the treasure? I remember the Dwarves and Bilbo having agreed on sharing the treasure. But since at least three Dwarves won't be needing their share after the battle any more, why is it still 1/14?


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    Tol Eressea


    Sep 24 2014, 11:04pm

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    I had seen that pic of him wearing the pauldrons, but I didn't remember when it happened in the movies. Helm's Deep, huh? I'm not sure I see the point of only wearing shoulder protection and nothing else. Like you were saying in your other post, VValar, even his Mirkwood armor, while looking much better on him than the Helm's Deep armor and emphasizing those broad shoulders and...*stares dreamily at pic*...What was I saying?Blush Oh yeah...Even thought it's pretty it still doesn't protect that much of him. An arrow or sword at the right angle and bye bye Leggy.Frown

    The only thing I can think is that the mithril shirt must be the real protection and the armor is a little extra protection around the neck and shoulders. Maybe. Either way, I'd be perfectly Ok with it if Thranduil brings Leggy his Mirkwood armor for him to wear during Botfa.Angelic

    "Home is behind the world ahead
    And there are many paths to tread
    Through shadow to the edge of night
    Until the stars are all alight.

    Mist and shadow
    Cloud and shade
    All shall fade
    All shall fade"



    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 24 2014, 11:11pm

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    It does look nice, the glittery content of the box. But agreed, Thranduil might have been able to take it a long time ago (though not without any risk I'm sure) if he had wanted. Either he has a wonderfully controlled self restraint, or the gems weren't all THAT important to him to risk his (or some other Elf's life) life over. And he might have known all along his time would come, since he foresaw the ruin it would bring to the Dwarves because of their evergrowing greed. You could kind of see it in that look he gave when the box was shut right before him, the epic stare of doom Evil


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 24 2014, 11:14pm

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    EvilEvilEvil






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    Gondor


    Sep 24 2014, 11:22pm

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    Anyway, back to Tauriel and Leggy. Along with Legolas taking the place of the birds as messengers, I think they'll be the two elves who capture Bilbo when he sneaks out of the mountain to deliver the Arkenstone to Thranduil, which would explain this bit from Vlog 11. Pretty sure that red thing in Gandalf's left hand is the Arkenstone wrapped up in cloth.


    Basically Bilbo will be captured with Arkenstone on his person and at some point as Leggy and Tauriel escort him though Dale, they'll run into Gandalf *happy reunion time* and then they'll all go to Thranduil and Bard and let Bilbo explain himself.





    Oh I love how you are turning all Sherlock Holmes on us, you have such great theories! And you know what, you might be onto something! IF this scene is going to play out the way you see it might, I will instantly remember your prediction.


    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 24 2014, 11:25pm

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    Post 152 already!

    Let's celebrate Cool



    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 24 2014, 11:41pm

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    If I remember correctly. And no, I don't see the point in wearing only shoulder protection either, beside the fact it simply looks cool Cool
    The mitrhil shirt must do more protecting than his nice looking (but not so very protective) Mirkwood-armour, since he decided to switch them when he ventured after Tauriel.
    Though the shirt still doesn't cover his neck, but neither does Thranduil's armour. So what would be the advantage of putting on full gear against wearing only a (light?) mirthil shirt? Surely you would have better physical mobility with just a shirt than the entire battle gear on your body?

    But hey, I'm not complaining Angelic



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    The Shire

    Sep 25 2014, 12:50am

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    Hi Lurker. Finally have time to reply to your question about silent readers from TA thread XIII. The only reason I do not post more often is because I am so short on time. I have a multitude of things going on at present that I barely have time to catch up on these threads. Hopefully things will settle down soon. I will always make time to follow these threads, though,Tongue. Don't worry, you will have a flood of Thranduil Thralls pouring all over these pages soon enough in the next few months with TDOS:EE and TBOTFA.Heart


    Fionniel
    The Shire

    Sep 25 2014, 1:18am

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         I agree VValar. [In reply to]  

    I Love Thrandy's armour. I would love to see Legy in Elven armour too. It is interesting that Thranduil's war Elk has no protective coverings. Maybe it has such a thick hide that it does not need them. I just Heart that Elk ! Perfect choice for King Thrandy.Smile


    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Sep 25 2014, 2:32am

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    Speaking of which, I figure this shot from the teaser trailer of Bilbo staring off into the distance with the dwarves in the background just calmly doing whatever, may be him watching the smoke rise from Laketown the morning after Smaug is killed and feeling bad that all that death was basically their fault.

    ... gah, now I'm being spoiled by "Eruvandi's sherlocky homilies" Tongue



    In Reply To
    Anyway, back to Tauriel and Leggy. Along with Legolas taking the place of the birds as messengers, I think they'll be the two elves who capture Bilbo when he sneaks out of the mountain to deliver the Arkenstone to Thranduil, which would explain this bit from Vlog 11. Pretty sure that red thing in Gandalf's left hand is the Arkenstone wrapped up in cloth.


    Basically Bilbo will be captured with Arkenstone on his person and at some point as Leggy and Tauriel escort him though Dale, they'll run into Gandalf *happy reunion time* and then they'll all go to Thranduil and Bard and let Bilbo explain himself.

    Just wait and see. It'll happen.Wink

    I like the possibility. Though, if that is the Arkie in Ganddy's hands... I hope it's not cos the old fogey's the one to present it to ThranduilFrown... you know, as a follow-up from that recent spoiler we had. It's Bilbo's moment!Mad

    I want to see Thranduil all agog when he realise what Bilbo's giving to the combined host.








    Fan of both books and movies; I am a lurker by nature though it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


    Heart Thranduil Appreciation
    Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XIV
    I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII


    Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A writing triangle with Avandel and Kerewyn)
    Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)


    "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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    Lurker in the Mirk
    Valinor


    Sep 25 2014, 2:34am

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    We hear the actors talking about how it's a theme in DoS... and then ... *crickets*Frown



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    Yeah, saying farewell to Bilbo would be a great place to have Thranduil actually smile for once while still maintaining his dignity. I think it would be nice if he'd show at least a little emotion towards his own son, though. It doesn't have to be a big display of emotion or anything, just a little fatherly concern that his only son went AWOL and he didn't know if he was Ok would be more than enough.

    *crossed fingers to both*




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    Sep 25 2014, 2:38am

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    So far so good on the first post today. *crossed fingers* Hope the post goblins are all gone awayMad



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    Oh and if anything is unclear in my posts, please feel free to ask me about it anytime (but you already did so I'm sure you'll be just fine asking for any clarification when needed).

    *thumbs up*







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    Sep 25 2014, 2:43am

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         *tee hee* delish isn't it? [In reply to]  

    Love how LP seems to always try to be in character, even when he can't keep that stern face anymore, like that laugh at the orc stand-in spit, and when he went all goofy mock-skewering the orc head, he's still Thranduil!elegantHeart (I think in the last WW or the one before it, there's a GIF set of thisSmile)



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    And I note one of those picture double guys was also on another B-Roll clip, in which he landed the job of plane-spotting. Wouldn't it be great to be an all-rounder on the set, and be able to jump into a variety of small but useful jobs as needed.

    Best job in the world contenderAngelic





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    Sep 25 2014, 2:45am

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         Well, his HD armour [In reply to]  

    was thrown together from what they could find in the dusty armoury so no surprise it's not impressive. He still looks good though.



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    PS we're on page 6 already. We're on fire Evil

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    Sep 25 2014, 2:47am

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    Though me too. I thought it was my service provider issue, even though we're on freaking fibre optic here it feels like dial-up some daysCrazy




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    Sep 25 2014, 3:07am

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    Hehe flawed beauty, way to describe Heart Thranduil Heart

    Can't help it! He's so beautifully imperfect!HeartHeartHeart Really harks back to Silmmie Elves, and no one can accuse them, well, most of the lot, of being boring.

    As for Leggy, I'm conflicted actually. It feels like polar opposites between LotR and TH, and in fact the TH Leggy seems older, even putting aside the RL of OB being literally a fresh-faced young'un in LotR. LotR Leggy does give a sense of being other-worldly, almost that zen "I have transcended" vibe, especially when he's just standing around (sorry OB's acting really doesn't cut it much, even though the THICK haze of Leggy affection obstructing my brain back then Evil). I rather like that little verbal set-to he had with Gimli, and thought it showed the "less wise more dangerous" mode of his Elvishness greatly. I think it's also when I decided my affection for him wasn't just pure "Ooh Pretty!", there was some depth to this pretty being. I'm not sure how they can reconcile these 2 versions but I'm hoping there's proper closure. Elves are awesome but I doubt even they can pull a Benjamin Button, ya know?



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    I did read the LoTR but I don't exactly recall any specific character developments of him that were less than pretty (but it's fairly possible I might be missing some, since it has been too long when I last read it).

    LoL! Well, I think the "Ai, Ai, a Balrog" moment in the book when he lost his elven cool sort of qualifies. But then it also adds another layer, as in there is something that daunts this pretty being after all. Interesting...



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    Anyway like I said, in DOS Legolas seems more dangerous to me and has a don't mess with me-attitude towards the Dwarves obviously. He isn't all that nice to the Orc either, no problem of holding a knife to his throat, ready to cut him open if the Orc gives him but the slightest of reason. I could not picture LotR Legolas doing that, he dealt with his enemies swiftly and without any hassle. But to TH Legolas it appeares to be just a walk in the park.

    Nicely put. I think this goes back to my conflict about the two Legolases. The DoS Legolas made sense, and I believe he passed the zen state to get to that before we see him in DoS, but how does he "regress", imo, to that zennish state in we saw in LotR? Gah, I'm not even sure I'm making sense anymoreTongue



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    Yeah you just stay here and preach to the converted as you so nicely put it Cool I sure appreciate the discussions and everyone's opinions. Personally, I learn something new almost everytime a new discussion is put up in this thread Smile

    Thanks! Love it when there's company here.Heart





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    Sep 25 2014, 3:11am

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         Well... don't want to spoil everything for you [In reply to]  

    But thanks to Thorin's hamfisted stiff-necked insistence everything in Erebor stays in Erebor... or just with Dwarves, Bilbo broke the very tense stalement between Bard/Thranduil and Thorin at the front gates of Erebor by giving up his share of the treasure to Bard.

    Won't say more but I liked the chapter in which this bit appears.Smile




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    Sep 25 2014, 3:12am

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    Sep 25 2014, 3:12am

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    That is one nicely 'shopped GIFLaugh




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    Sep 25 2014, 3:17am

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    Mithril seems worth killing for. So I'd guess if anyone's just strutting about with Mithril, he's like a walking neon sign: "Come and get it!".

    So something's got to go over the mithril to avoid ostentation and unwanted attention. Gotta dress for the occasion so armour it is for the BattleSmile




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    Sep 25 2014, 3:22am

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    Let's!

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    Sep 25 2014, 3:32am

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         Hey Fionniel, thanks! [In reply to]  

    Yeah, I thought so re your STVSmile that's the usual case in social sites of this sort I believe. If anyone's not posting, it's either time or they don't feel the motivation to.



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    Don't worry, you will have a flood of Thranduil Thralls pouring all over these pages soon enough in the next few months with TDOS:EE and TBOTFA.Heart

    Oh I'm sure of that. It's not the STV that worries me, I just prefer to have people talking since there are views on the TA threads. If it was low in view count, then yeah, ok, I get that too.

    I will confess to a general sense of dread of an influx of just, for want of a better term, empty schoolgirl gush when the EE and BotFA hits. Smear me dreadful Baba Yaga: I have no patience with that ilk... and their dangerous tendency to want to TMI their personal life for all the world at every opportunity makes me cringe. So far, it seems the appreciators who do pop in tend to be above that, so I feel cautiously optimistic.Smile






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    Sep 25 2014, 3:52am

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     Leggy learning his surfer coolHeart

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    Sep 25 2014, 7:24am

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    Love how Leggy has a little notebook and Thrandy is wearing his crown and finger blingLaugh


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    Sep 25 2014, 11:34am

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    But Oropher was King before Thranduil, making him Prince until Oropher fell in Dagorlad, thus gaining the titel of King after his father died.


    Of course! Evil *palm to forehead* Pirate How had I forgotten that? For some reason my forgetful reasoning started when Thranduil led his much reduced army back to Mirkwood and 'established a settlement there', which no doubt was already established beforehand.
    It seems I am too influenced by the Thingol comparisons - Thingol of course did establish his own kingdom.



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         Enjoyed random snerkle #1 [In reply to]  

    ..which yet again gave me drawing-ability envy. So many stories like this one that I wish I could illustrate with ease!

    I do kind of draw, but with sweat and toil and many rejections and much erasing. Unsure

    Oh! I should know the TW seafood dwarf reference... but I just can't think of it (and I dare not venture into TW world tonight or I'll never get out this side of midnight.) Cute horse-rider though. Angelic



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    Sep 25 2014, 12:05pm

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         "I'm so glad we're getting married" [In reply to]  

    This one made me hoot out loud, and nearly spit red wine on my keyboard.LaughLaugh

    I am often drinking wine while perusing these posts. A toast to our wine-imbibing King! Wink



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    Sep 25 2014, 12:10pm

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    Basically Bilbo will be captured with Arkenstone on his person and at some point as Leggy and Tauriel escort him though Dale, they'll run into Gandalf *happy reunion time* and then they'll all go to Thranduil and Bard and let Bilbo explain himself.

    Just wait and see. It'll happen


    I shall remember this and think of you, Eruvandi, if/when it happens! Looks like you've got a bunch of speculation for Lurker's Time Capsule. Smile



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    To the Elvenking he gave the emeralds of Girion, such jewels as he most loved, which Dain had restored to him.


    So does that mean the White Gems have been elevated into a more valued position for movie-verse? To my thinking, gems of starlight would rank higher than earthborn (I presume) green gems. Buy maybe emeralds evoke the forest.

    'K, wait... the 'he' here is Bard? Bard's most valued bling?

    Excuse my thought processes, just getting my head around that book quote.



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    Sep 25 2014, 12:36pm

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    I think this has something to do with the ME framework and the respective histories of the leaders. It's not all laid out but here's a few articles on Michael Martinez' site that, imo, address part of the question and delve into the idea of titles Evil
    Could Anyone Start a Kingdom in Middle-earth?
    Did Tolkien Use the Divine Right of Kings in Middle-earth?
    Bonus: Is Legolas an Elven Prince?

    (sorry those links aren't live as I copy them over. Another fault from my deficient interface.)

    There's some great reading there. I am digging the notes of Legolas's heritage, and Orophor's - it's just so relevant to me while my head is deep in the Silm, trying to keep track of the Elven races and their origins.

    And their kingdoms. The 'Can anyone start a kingdom' has some great little nuggets of info. Now I want to read how Celebrimbor seized control of Eregion from Galadriel and Celeborn. These power-hungry Elves ... Evil *whistles appreciatively*



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    Sep 25 2014, 2:13pm

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    Book spoiler

    The emeralds of Girion is a necklace of 500 emeralds given by Girion [Bard's ancestor] to the dwarves in payment for arming his son in dwarf mail of silver [mithril?]

    Emeralds are apparently associated with the Elves and also called beryls or elf-stones. In LOTR, when the hobbits and Aragorn were running from the Nazgul after Frodo had been attacked by them, Aragorn finds a beryl on a bridge which had been left there as a token by Glorfindel.

    So, I assume the sentence means that it was Thranduil who loved the emeralds. Mind you, the sentence can be read either way.


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    Sep 25 2014, 3:52pm

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         Lurker I LOVE that GIF [In reply to]  

    With Leggy learning surfing from pop Thrandy. So cool that even a 40+ spinster like myself had to say so. But on an unrelated note, from my reading of Silm and then the appendices to LOTR - I always feel that Thrandy eventually set sail for Aman, maybe even before Legolas and Gimli. When the great professor noted that after Aragorn's passing and the end of his long life - Legalos and his pal set sail - well that was over 100 years - maybe Thrandy had already boarded a speed boat before that time with Bubba - there was another cute GIF with that similar image that I liked.

    **Old but dedicated Thrandy Thrall, ltnjmy**Smile


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    Sep 25 2014, 3:56pm

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         And weren't the Elves in the Silm much more Wild and Exciting ? [In reply to]  

    Especially the fierce sons of Feanor -

    Someone a while back did an inventive poster:



    LOOKING FOR THE SIMARILS - DIAL "1-800-DOOM-OF-THE-NOLDOR - RETURN OR WE WILL KILL YOU, SONS OF FEANOR. I thought that was something wicked Mad


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    Sep 26 2014, 1:23am

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    Thranddy is always KINGLY and fashionable no matter the occasionAngelic

    Leggy just got lots to notate. Maybe there's a certification after all that - Thranddy's prolly giving him a dry run cos he couldn't stand the idea of his kid not nailing it the first time.Tongue




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    Clicky ! Evil

    I thought the same when I saw this bit! But later I realised Gimli seemed to have randomly grabbed some other dwarf's axe when he tried to break the Ring. Real slick, there, GimliTongue









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    Sep 26 2014, 1:55am

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    I remember reading that there was a version of history that says Thranduil established his kingdom... though of course, I can't find that particular reference RIGHT NOWCrazy

    In recompense, a few (not all relevant) readings that might interest (and confuseAngelic) further:





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    I shall remember this and think of you, Eruvandi, if/when it happens! Looks like you've got a bunch of speculation for Lurker's Time Capsule. Smile

    Here Angelic




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    Sep 26 2014, 2:11am

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    Would have posited he in the sentence meant Thranddy and left it at that. But you took it further with the helpful LotR reference, which never crossed my mind. So glad, doubly so, that you decided to leave the STV ranksSmileHeart




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    Sep 26 2014, 2:16am

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    Oh, ltnjmy! Please don't let prevalent social concept of age preclude thralldom or thrallish expressions of affection! It's all healthyAngelic good exchange we have here. I embrace it utterly (though I can do without hearing crikey joints while doing happy thrall jumps) SmileSlyWinkAngelicEvil So please, kick back, let your hair down, and let the inner thrall out Blush




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    Sep 26 2014, 2:18am

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    Sep 26 2014, 2:22am

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    ..which yet again gave me drawing-ability envy. So many stories like this one that I wish I could illustrate with ease!

    I do kind of draw, but with sweat and toil and many rejections and much erasing. Unsure

    I know, right? I need to get my act together and see if I can get anywhere with pictorials as wellEvil



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    Oh! I should know the TW seafood dwarf reference... but I just can't think of it (and I dare not venture into TW world tonight or I'll never get out this side of midnight.) Cute horse-rider though. Angelic

    *evil laugh* he does look kinda cute but well, after what I put him through in tw5*cough*... I.Can't.Help.Laughing. at the serenity he displays in this picCrazyTongueEvilAngelicPirateEvil Cannot see him the same way ever again *falls off chair chortling* ... ... sorry, i just amuse myself too much sometimesEvil






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    Sep 26 2014, 2:25am

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    This one made me hoot out loud, and nearly spit red wine on my keyboard.LaughLaugh

    In a way, it seems to me Leggy channelling his FLAST and redirecting it, well-aimed I might add, 60 years later in LotR. My, how refreshing when Leggy gets a chance to trot out the sass LaughEvilTongue






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    Sep 26 2014, 2:29am

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         Addendum: What Happens in Middle-earth After the War of the Ring? (Read) [In reply to]  

    So I thought this might be interesting supplement for the discussion: What Happens in Middle-earth After the War of the Ring? (another Michael Martinez article)





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    Sep 26 2014, 2:30am

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    I'm with you on that one, I'd ike to understand this means Celeborn DID eventually leave ME and sail West. And by being the last of the Eldar to remember the Elder days in ME, this would mean Thranduil indeed left before him. Ahh let me have my happy thought on this one, I would be very sad to learn otherwise. It makes sense of Celeborn eventually sailing West, to be reunited with Galadriel.

    Do All Elves Leave Middle-earth? Smile






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    Sep 26 2014, 2:42am

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         New BEEF: Costumy stuff and that BotFA tent still [In reply to]  

    So came across this tumblr post that posits...

    this, which appeared apparently in some BTS (?)


    is in the tent scene


    Is it conclusion by association given that costume in the first shot is next to Thranduil's wardrobe in the orc beheading? If not, is it a new costume we've not seen yet? I thought it most resembled this concept art:


    Whaddaya think?

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    Sep 26 2014, 9:35am

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    Re Gondor's relations with Eryn Lasgalen, good point about most contact would probably go (if any) through Faramir and Legolas (of course) since Faramir is the Steward and Aragorn would probably not occupy himself too much with keeping a close relationship with Thranduil. Although interesting thought you have about this might be very differently than we percieve if Aragorn/Thranduil would have met before. Didn't Aragorn take Gollum to Mirkwood to ask the Elves if they could watch him? He must have asked Thranduil's permission, so I'm sure they would have met before (only I'm not sure Thranduil would have taking much liking in Aragorn if this was their only contact).

    Just wanted to back up for a bit and talk to this bit (after straightening out some of my *ahem* notesSmile)

    I do believe they have met before. At least 11 years prior to Aragorn bringing Gollum to Mirkwood. Gandalf started the Gollum search with Aragorn and they would have gone to Mirkwood to start the CSI before moving on. But I think even before that, Aragorn might have passed through Mirkwood earlier in his life. I think that the multiple meetings between them would have alerted Thranduil to Aragorn being someone special. I pieced these bits together in researching the
    Hunt for Gollum process, and at least that's how I've written it in my work-in-progress (so I keep telling myself) ficcieSmile

    But as is with everything Aragorn, not many would know of his true heritage and great doom. And no one important and in the know would think it necessary to give Thranduil a headsup (with the way things are during the LotR period, I would think that's wise since it seems walls literally have ears). The interesting thing
    though, to me, would be how Thranduil felt when he found out the truth identity of Aragorn, and how did he find out.

    Ok... over and out.

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    Sep 26 2014, 12:14pm

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    ...I like very much your linked image in the OP, Thrandy's special message toSTVs. I propose that should be the next main image to start TA thread XV. Wink



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    Sep 26 2014, 12:24pm

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    My first thought on seeing the silvery tunic is that it looks very similar to what Legolas is wearing during Aragorn's coronation. (having again just gone back to titter at this one from a few pages back.

    Without the olive cloak though. Perhaps by the time of the coronation, Thrandy had 'handed it down'. Or maybe Leggy was going through dad's wardrobe: "Ada, you have the best gear. I really like this one - can I borrow it? Aw please?"



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    Sep 26 2014, 12:36pm

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    Thranduil seems to live content in northern Eryn Lasgalen (the former Mirkwood) for many centuries.

    Contentedly breeding orchids and elks, restoring the forest to health and walking in starlight. I often wonder what he would do in his centuries' worth of spare time.



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    Gondor will, according to Tolkien’s letter and notes, fall into strife as some sort of Fourth Age cult takes root and traces of the “old evil” return.

    Interesting. I'd like to read these notes, and if only Tolkien had felt the urge (or lived long enough) to write this sequel.



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    In The Peoples of Middle-earth we learn a few more details that, according to one of Tolkien’s letters, had to be omitted from the published book for lack of space.

    Can't a book be as long as it needs to be? It's not a movie! Unimpressed



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    Sep 26 2014, 12:45pm

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    The interesting thing though, to me, would be how Thranduil felt when he found out the truth identity of Aragorn, and how did he find out.


    Being highly intuitive, he may have had the instinct Aragorn was no ordinary ranger. (I haven't read enough Silm yet to discuss the race of Men from which Aragorn is descended.) But 'one king to another'? If it were me, I would hope I had behaved graciously enough. I don't know if Thranduil is given to any such regrets.

    I imagine Legolas would have returned there at some stage to fill everyone in, but news may have travelled there in other ways as well, especially regarding the outcome of the War. Just how 'global' is ME anyway, in terms of news reach?



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    Sep 26 2014, 1:21pm

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         Yes Dear Lurker - that is it ! [In reply to]  

    Smile I get such a smile when I see this poster. Were he alive, I think the great Professor would too.Smile


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    Sep 26 2014, 1:27pm

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         Very cool analysis Luker - Thrandy did most probably leave [In reply to]  

    I with the great professor gave more clues - but by saying that Celeborn was the last to leave remembering the elder days of ME - I am of the hope that this meant his kinsman Thranduil most probably departed on a magical speed boat with Bubba before him.Smile

    Many always say that the sons of Elrond must of accepted mortality by staying after the departure of their father but I don't think that is necessarily so. Since they lived as Eldar - setting up side-by-side thrones in Imladris - perhaps doesn't this mean that they accepted immortality and thus only deferred their choice for a time ??? SmileSmileSmile


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    Sep 26 2014, 5:28pm

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    You're right, I hadn't even noticed but it seems he does not wear any armour. Unlike the Rohan horses who were heading to battle f.e.




    Especially Theoden's horse, looks like he's got some sort of protection around his entire body, like a rug of some sort.

    But nothing on Bubba... maybe he won't ride him into battle after all and is just used to get from point A to point B, with maximum fabulosity exposure?


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    Sep 26 2014, 5:30pm

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    I found this cool LotR wallpaper, that has nothing to do with Thranduil or TH obviously but I thought it worth sharing:

    http://cdn.desktopwallpapers4.me/...0-game-wallpaper.jpg


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    Sep 26 2014, 5:48pm

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    Nicely put. I think this goes back to my conflict about the two Legolases. The DoS Legolas made sense, and I believe he passed the zen state to get to that before we see him in DoS, but how does he "regress", imo, to that zennish state in we saw in LotR? Gah, I'm not even sure I'm making sense anymoreTongue




    Agreed, DOS Legolas makes perfect sense to me as well. But, like you, I'm also very curious how he is going to transform during the last film, or how the BoFA events will eventually 'change' him into the Elf we see in LotR. Lol about being blinded by his Elven beauty and not being able to objectively criticise his acting abilities, yeah that happend to me too.
    But can you really blame us?


    Another thing, PJ could easily have told OB to tone it down a notch with the attitude in DOS so he would resemble LotR Legolas more. But he didn't, and obviously for a reason (???) That's one more thing to add to our evergrowing list of reasons we would like to see BOFA very very much.


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    Sep 26 2014, 8:08pm

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    The time-capsule thing is an awesome idea, Lurker! My capsule is now finished and submitted.Smile

    "Home is behind the world ahead
    And there are many paths to tread
    Through shadow to the edge of night
    Until the stars are all alight.

    Mist and shadow
    Cloud and shade
    All shall fade
    All shall fade"



    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Sep 26 2014, 8:37pm

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    Mithril seems worth killing for. So I'd guess if anyone's just strutting about with Mithril, he's like a walking neon sign: "Come and get it!".

    So something's got to go over the mithril to avoid ostentation and unwanted attention.

    Good point about the value of mithril. I had forgotten about that.

    They didn't emphasis it quite as much in the movie, but it reminds me how in the FOTR book Frodo was extremely hesitant to reveal the Mithril shirt until he absolutely had to because it was such a "kingly gift". Unlike the movie, he didn't have time to mention it while they were still in Moria because he went unconscious when the troll skewered him and Aragorn had to carry him as the Fellowship ran until he woke up. After Gandalf fell, everyone forgot to wonder how Frodo had survived the skewering and it didn't come up again until they were well away from Moria and Legolas reminded Aragorn that the hobbits were injured and struggling to keep up with the forced march. Then when Aragorn tried to help them, Frodo took forever to let him look at the "injury" because he still didn't want to reveal the mithril.

    I guess if it's so valuable that Frodo would worry about even the members of the Fellowship knowing about it, it must be pretty special.

    "Home is behind the world ahead
    And there are many paths to tread
    Through shadow to the edge of night
    Until the stars are all alight.

    Mist and shadow
    Cloud and shade
    All shall fade
    All shall fade"



    Eruvandi
    Tol Eressea


    Sep 26 2014, 9:01pm

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    Especially Theoden's horse, looks like he's got some sort of protection around his entire body, like a rug of some sort. But nothing on Bubba... maybe he won't ride him into battle after all and is just used to get from point A to point B, with maximum fabulosity exposure?

    Hmm, I'm not sure how much protection the blanket on Theoden's horse would really provide. Other than a little protection from the slashing motion of swords I imagine arrows and stabbing motions would go right through it even if it's thick. If it really is a blanket, it may just serve to visually differentiate the King's horse from the others.

    In Bubba's case, he doesn't need to be differentiated because he's huge, and the other elves are all on foot. I think it's more likely that he'll end up being nothing more than maximum fabulocity exposure for Thranduil as the elves go to help the people of Laketown. It would be hard for Bubba to move through Dale with that rack of antlers anyway, so that might be for the best.Wink

    "Home is behind the world ahead
    And there are many paths to tread
    Through shadow to the edge of night
    Until the stars are all alight.

    Mist and shadow
    Cloud and shade
    All shall fade
    All shall fade"



    VValar
    Gondor


    Sep 26 2014, 9:17pm

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    So we really have Thranduil to thank for Leggy's surfing skills:




    dernwyn
    Forum Admin / Moderator


    Sep 26 2014, 9:23pm

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    I can just imagine it when the promos for BotFA start coming out - you'll be running through a thread every two hours! Laugh

    Okay, Thralls, it's time for...XV!


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