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Willow353
The Shire
Aug 15 2014, 6:34am
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Answer to your question, Avandel *Spoilers*
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Hello Avandel,
Just flicking through the book, it seems Thranduil does warn Bilbo and tries to pursuade him to stay in the camp with the Elves. Here's part of the quote:
"...But I wonder if Thorin Oakenshield will see it so. I have more knowledge of dwarves in general than you have perhaps. I advise you to remain with us, and here you shall be honoured and thrice welcome." pg 315, chapter XVI 'A thief in the Night'
I hope that answers your question :)
I think I'm going to be in tears during the confronation between Thorin and Bilbo. I'll be taking boxes of tissues too!
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Willow353
The Shire
Aug 15 2014, 7:21am
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That was supposed to say *'confrontation', not confronation!
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 15 2014, 9:08am
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Thanks for providing the quote, Willow353
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and welcome to the TA threads. 
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)
 Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 15 2014, 9:22am
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Great question~ And putting on the nerding cap again =P
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To me, this (thanks to Willow353 for putting the relevant bit up but here's the full paragraph) shows Thranduil isn't just the cold-hearted snooty, megalomaniac jerk with chronic treasure-envy of popular opinion.
The Elvenking looked at Bilbo with a new wonder. “Bilbo Baggins!” he said. “You are more worthy to wear the armour of elf-princes than many that have looked more comely in it. But I wonder if Thorin Oakenshield will see it so. I have more knowledge of dwarves in general than you have perhaps. I advise you to remain with us, and here you shall be honoured and thrice welcome.”
And following that:
Nothing they could say would stop him; so an escort was provided for him, and as he went both the king and Bard saluted him with honour.
Here is a powerful being showing concern to a "mere" hobbit, albeit one who delivered the game-changing advantage, giving honour where honour's due, and clearly being both empathetic and kind.
I hope they don't take any of it away or botch this scene  
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)
Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 15 2014, 9:36am
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To quote Treebeard, TA is "A hit! A fine hit!"
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Well since this was *obviously* the most interesting topic alive on TH forum, the choice wasn't so hard
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)
Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 15 2014, 9:39am
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Especially not the Elvenking And you know it
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)
Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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VValar
Gondor
Aug 15 2014, 9:43am
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Ha thanks, I already spotted some Thorin throughout this thread. And I knew that where most Thorin-related pics/info were to be found, you were not too far away.
And you're right, I can think of worse beings knocking on little Hobbit doors than him 
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 15 2014, 9:45am
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I think they won't quite care. Hmm... maybe not quite so relevant in light of our discussion but here's that thread for reference.
Ditto, ditto, ditto. Maybe there will be a second trailer w. something like this, tho I think PJ is going to be sitting on the really juicy stuff. *Sigh* I may end up at a midnight show after all *sob*.  
Of course if it's anything like last year when some of the press could not shut up - no REAL spoilers but that's partly because I isolated myself from the net. The Fandango guy went on and on about the barrel scene until I just cut the sound - terrible narrator, doesn't know when to dial it down. I want to be at the first sane-time showing here. Though I think they have a marathon for the trilogy. Maybe even the hexalogy... a cineplex did a trilogy run when RotK premiered. I didn't go because I prefer the EE
*sigh* I think I will be in hiding in the lead-up to the premiere also. I do hate to spoil myself for any movie, but I don't know if I can stay away this time 
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)
Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 15 2014, 9:54am
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Found a thread discussing the booksongs in the movies too.
And thanks for the images
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)
Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 15 2014, 9:55am
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Do love this one for some reason
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)
Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 15 2014, 9:59am
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Thanks, Avandel!
The first one is beauteous!
And for the others... have you seen this from TAV? There's a whole lovely TH series by the same artist (clicky)
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)
Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 15 2014, 10:00am
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Liking the edgy muchly Thanks!
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)
Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 15 2014, 10:02am
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Elrond's pretzel hair is quite a difference from the Leia cinnamon buns
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 Good job, arithmancer!
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)
Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 15 2014, 10:04am
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*LOL* Avandel's reputation preceeds her for sure!
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And I knew that where most Thorin-related pics/info were to be found, you were not too far away. Like you, VValar. I learnt pretty quickly where Avandel goes on the board 
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)
Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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VValar
Gondor
Aug 15 2014, 10:10am
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Spoiled myself way too much with the Desolation of Smaug before I actually saw it in cinemas. Wish I hadn't, because I already pretty much knew how it was going to turn out and therefor kinda spoiled the excitement.
I promise I won't spoil anything for the poor souls not living in either one of the countries where BotFA premiers on december 10th! Oh yeah
I will not tell you how fabulous Thranduil is in his fightingscenes, or what amazing dialogues he has, or how utterly handsome he looks by just standing there before you see for yourselves the week after.
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 15 2014, 10:15am
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I promise I won't spoil anything for the poor souls not living in either one of the countries where BotFA premiers on december 10th! Oh yeah I will not tell you how fabulous Thranduil is in his fightingscenes, or what amazing dialogues he has, or how utterly handsome he looks by just standing there before you see for yourselves the week after.
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)
Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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VValar
Gondor
Aug 15 2014, 10:15am
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It never ceases to amaze me how utterly creative some people are! Wereas my creative process stopped with drawing stick figures in 4th grade.
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VValar
Gondor
Aug 15 2014, 10:17am
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Oh you do? How does that work, you get sneak previews or something the week before it actually opens in theaters?
Well all the better, we all get to enjoy it together (at the same time)!
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 15 2014, 1:05pm
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Am very smitten with the stain-glass aesthetic. If I could, I'd build a house with full-length glass windows made of these masterpieces
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)
Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 15 2014, 1:07pm
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I don't do sneaks usually, since they're midnight shows, but I remember doing it for LotR and it seemed I did get to see them before the official premiere (always a Thursday here).
*fingers crossed*
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)
Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 15 2014, 1:07pm
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So I was looking for threads re my new (non-Thranduil) thread, and came across these. Thought they were interesting and just wanted to share:
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)
Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Avandel
Half-elven
Aug 15 2014, 3:00pm
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appreciate you being kind and not telling me to "just go look it up" because if I do that I would trip over other stuff = brain clutter and a nagging voice later "that didn't happen in the book" which was really ANNOYING all through LOTR for me.
Sounds as though Thranduil is being very kindly, and I am hoping they put this in the film!
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Avandel
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Aug 15 2014, 3:20pm
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Thank you! As Ms. Boyens points out in the Appendices, their vision of Bilbo is a difficult role to play, requiring both comedic and dramatic skills.
Nothing they could say would stop him; so an escort was provided for him, and as he went both the king and Bard saluted him with honour. I am pleased that the original material paints a picture of Thranduil and Bard making a real effort to stop Bilbo (as I have mentioned before, Tolkien would have booted me from his classes from my 'tude and questions). As opposed to just waving goodby to Bilbo *cough* in that one of my Hobbit book complaints are not fleshing some things out more (tho I KNOW this was a book for children etc.)
This will be heartbreaking if the movie shows it the way I envision, e.g. the long lonely walk to Bard and Thranduil, and the even longer and lonely walk back, to *possible* death at the hands of a friend and king you just betrayed.
Then again, my heart breaks for Thorin, who has a kind of loneliness and is maddened by then, and yet this is his Hobbit, who saved his life, plus dwarves put so much stock into loyalty. For Thorin to hear what Bilbo has done, I am not surprised if Thorin tries to kill Bilbo - tho it's unclear to me even after Bilbo has spent so much time with the dwarves if he understands the degree of what he does. Thranduil certainly does, I think.
*Sob*
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Avandel
Half-elven
Aug 15 2014, 4:26pm
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And I knew that where most Thorin-related pics/info were to be found, you were not too far away. And you're right, I can think of worse beings knocking on little Hobbit doors than him
*Grins* probably best not to think about all the time I was supposed to be doing some boring chore, but got sidetracked by telling myself "oh, just a quick look at Thorin FB or Deviant Art."
Not my fault tho, 'coz I have acute/chronic virulent THORINITIS. Most of the time it's only a real problem if someone talks while Thorin is speaking or gets between me and a monitor or screen during a Thorin (and now Thranduil) scene, because I've been told my eyes glow red and my head spins around 180 degrees.
I had doctors and medication and stuff, but after sending me to the National Institute of Health for study, it was determined that I was a hopeless case and it was better to send me home and not further waste taxpayer dollars. Particularly with the arrival on scene of the Elven King, which unfortunately produced a SYNERGIC EFFECT.
But Lurker and others have been quite kind about my illness, empathetic even.
'Coz folks here UNDERSTAND
"If this is to end in fire, then we will all burn together" - Thorin, The Desolation of Smaug.
Thorinitis: Just that smokey barbecue sizzle on a bed of hot embers on a chill autumn night voice making you do things.
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Avandel
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Aug 15 2014, 10:10pm
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Tho that is just another bummer that crossed my mind recently - not hearing Thorin & co. sing again. *Gloomily* and as time goes on, frankly I'm realizing I'm not wild about either of the end songs so much - ESPECIALLY "I See Fire" - it's too modern, and blows the end tone of the movie completely for me. It's like I WAS in Middle Earth, all of a sudden I am at a coffee house.
Don't know about the stand-alone quality of the song or not, but I always cut the BR off before that one starts. It's just not ME for me.
"If this is to end in fire, then we will all burn together" - Thorin, The Desolation of Smaug.
Thorinitis: Just that smokey barbecue sizzle on a bed of hot embers on a chill autumn night voice making you do things.
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