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Thranduil Appreciation Thread Part IX
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Aug 14 2014, 1:00pm

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     *sputter*Elrond makeover ROFL! [In reply to]  

Really? Ye Valar!



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Bonus question: Who is older, Thranduil or Elrond? They were both in TA, but that's about all I know.

Elrond's age is pretty certain since the prof gave his birthdate as 532 FA. But Thranduil's age is pretty much an open field, so depends on what you read and think. I did a quick google and there's some discussion on it. This one's better with the why and wherewithal, plus a ton of other related stuff. Personally, I think Thranduil's FA as well, but I need to brush up on my Silm and UT stuff before I can state exactly why Tongue




I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


Heart Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)


Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four


"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Aug 14 2014, 1:14pm

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     Nice ruminations [In reply to]  

Agreed. Thranduil definitely would want those gems back anyway he could without undue risk. I'll say again, even though ad nausem, that even without the gems in play, Thranduil would go treasure-hauling as soon as the news got out anyway. Even if he had absolutely no treasure-envy. It just makes sense given the geopolitical situation. Leave all that valuables which is essentially money and therefore power for someone else to cart home? Na-ah, no thinking leader would risk that. Better the hoard be at his disposal than another's.

You know, I posited on a thread I started a while back about how the Elves start the journey, and I was thinking they'd be a bit stealthy to avoid drawing attention. But now, especially with your projected route, i think there's no need for that much caution. Everyone would know and be heading there anyway. So Thranduil would go by the most direct route as you said.

Those dead bodies are interesting. And since Thranduil was never described as being in Dale itself, it's an open field for PJ and crew.



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Sigh - all so tantalizing, but LOL love the fact (of course) that these orcs easily slaughtered some helpless villagers, but bet trying to attack Thranduil was a surprise. As is watching your head roll across the cobbles.

Yeah, baby! Heart Tongue

*thud* Those vlog shots. SIGH... Loved the glee of the KingHeartHeartHeart Can't wait for a proper full frontal shot of Thranduil in his badass armoured glory, and with those swords unsheathed!Evil




I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


Heart Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)


Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four


"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Aug 14 2014, 1:16pm

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     Oooh! Thanks for the tip! // [In reply to]  

 


I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


Heart Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)


Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four


"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Aug 14 2014, 1:24pm

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     *waves* Hello silent thread visitor! Thanks for showing yourself, VValar! [In reply to]  

Thranduil is pleased!


SmileYou have the distinct honour of being the first ever silent thread visitor to respond to a call to drop in and say "hi". Hope you'll drop in often, even if it's just a "Squee!" Maybe we'll get to threadlock faster, but I reckon the mods enjoy a bit of threadlock that's because of effusive appreciation rather offensive infractionTongue

And I see this is your first post too. Welcome to TORn. Speaking as a habitual lurker, I believe you've made the right decision de-lurking! Smile


I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


Heart Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)


Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four


"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Aug 14 2014, 1:25pm

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     Woah! There are no words in the Entish, Elvish or the tongues of Men... [In reply to]  

Just ROFL!

Thanks for hunting this up, arithmancer!


I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


Heart Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)


Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four


"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Aug 14 2014, 1:30pm

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     That is the sound of inevitability, Mistress Avandel [In reply to]  

That sniggering sound redux is the aural glitch in the matrix. Neo's keeling over in laughter. No need for fights, just blackmail him. Agent Elrond is surely running screaming down the empty alleys of the backdoors.Tongue

Honestly, Hugo Weaving is too good a sport to let them get this far. I think he's too all-embracing and kind, thanks to Priscilla.


I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


Heart Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)


Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four


"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Aug 14 2014, 1:34pm

Post #107 of 222 (1474 views)
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     Ah, thanks, Cirashala. I could never get them straight [In reply to]  

And serves me right for not getting the details right before I blabbed my mouth off.Evil


I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


Heart Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)


Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four


"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

=======
Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Aug 14 2014, 1:37pm

Post #108 of 222 (1463 views)
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     Flashback in history: The thread with teh casting news [In reply to]  

I stumbled across this. Haven't read all the posts but a quick check seemed to indicate it's interesting so sharing heh

Casting News! Thranduil and Fili



I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.


Heart Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX
(Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies)


Laugh Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!
Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback by Kerewyn (new, posted 10 August), Four


"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Aug 14 2014, 2:21pm

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     Why thank you! [In reply to]  

That must have taken some effort to find! Thanks for posting it!Smile

"Love woke me up this morning
With a memory
Love came and whispered a story
That awakened a dream,

I am a dreamer, take me higher
Open the sky up, start a fire
I believe even if it's just a dream"
~"Dreamer" by Bethany Dillon



Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Aug 14 2014, 3:33pm

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     Hello! [In reply to]  

Welcome to TORn and the TA threads! 'Tis always nice to have a lurker come out of the shadows.Cool

"Home is behind the world ahead
And there are many paths to tread
Through shadow to the edge of night
Until the stars are all alight.

Mist and shadow
Cloud and shade
All shall fade
All shall fade"



arithmancer
Grey Havens


Aug 14 2014, 6:22pm

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     You're welcome! [In reply to]  

Actually I found it pretty quickly with a lucky guess for search terms on Google Images (Elrond, hairdo). The picture is, how to say this... eye catching! Cool



VValar
Gondor


Aug 14 2014, 7:20pm

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     Glad to be here [In reply to]  

Thank you dear Heart
As well as Lurker in the MirkHeart, EruvandiHeart for the kind welcome. And all the others who already roam in this thread, for not kicking me out just yet.
Oeee happy picture of Thranduil, always a pleasure - or should I shout Squee!!!
Maybe we'll see some other silent lurkers introduce themselves in the future?

And o my, Elrond's hairdo looks horrendous, what exactly were they thinking?
Thanks for the photo nonetheless, now I will forever remember the famous onionrings that graced our lord Elronds head (luckily only briefly).

LOVE the fanart with the arrow by the way. It's inspired by a fanfic, but I haven't read it (the link is on the deviantpage of the artist: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9964619/1/Skin-Deep) so I don't know the background story here. But don't you think he looks so *handsome* and *mighty* while protecting this Elf lady? *sigh*

Oh and since our beloved King seemingly knows how to throw a party, I saw this fanart and pictured Thorin walking through the Halls of Mirkwood (let's leave out the fact that he probably wouldn't be walking there on his own, something to do with dungeons and all, oh well), and come across this sign. A rather passive aggressive stance against the Dwarves Wink
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VValar
Gondor


Aug 14 2014, 7:26pm

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     You know it! [In reply to]  


In Reply To
And I see this is your first post too. Welcome to TORn. Speaking as a habitual lurker, I believe you've made the right decision de-lurking! Smile



Yes you noticed! Well since this was *obviously* the most interesting topic alive on TH forum, the choice wasn't so hard Heart


Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 14 2014, 7:45pm

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     *snigger* and a welcome! from me too *grins* [In reply to]  

the resident psychotic rabid Thorin fanCrazy with the cheatin' heartTongueEvilAngelic

And I'm always up for a cartoon, even if it takes gently liberties with his Majesty's dignity.



That's OK, your Majesty, Because you just made every Ms. Halfling you got directions from that night incredibly happy. Little *THUDS* were heard all over Hobbiton that night (some of the little hobbit-tesses remained passed out until the next morning, which caused no end of angst. Not to mention the reactions Fili and Kili got when they smiled.)



Some folks just got CHARISMA. And completely EPIC hair Tongue.


Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 14 2014, 7:48pm

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     LOL [In reply to]  

It's a shame they didn't add sparklers - light it up, baby!Cool


Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 14 2014, 8:09pm

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     And MORE 'coz I am PROCRASTINATING - elves, dwarves and ME stuff [In reply to]  

So I could use some help re my fuzzy hobbit memories - so this artist made this cool illustration for the "Dwarven Song of Winter" but is this Tolkien work?

This set of illustrations is for a song from The Hobbit:

The wind was on the withered heath,
but in the forest stirred no leaf:
there shadows lay by night and day,
and dark things silent crept beneath.
The wind came down from mountains cold,
and like a tide it roared and rolled;
the branches groaned, the forest moaned,
and leaves were laid upon the mould.
The wind went on from West to East;
all movement in the forest ceased,
but shrill and harsh across the marsh
its whistling voices were released.
The grasses hissed, their tassles bent,
the reeds were rattling -- on it went
o'er shaken pool under the heavens cool
where racing clouds were torn and rent.
It passed the lonely Mountain bare
and swept above the dragon's lair:
there black and dark lay boulders stark
and flying smoke was in the air.
It left the world and took its flight
over the wide seas of the night,
The moon set sail upon the gale,
and stars were fanned to leaping light.




This one is so large and detailed here is the original link: http://vigshane.deviantart.com/...-of-Winter-450063849

So - unfortunately - maybe humanity in general has some sort of fascination with the dark side. And certainly *cough* there seems to be some *unholy* interest in Thorin's madness and I've seen some images I won't post, but makes me wonder is that the kind of thing you put on your wall, or what (and so far it seems that Peter Jackson is wisely using some TASTEFUL restraint).

But as far as depictions of Thorin's tortured soul go, I thought this was well done and an interesting treatment:



And I just liked this:



But wolfanita has done this lovely but sad image of Thor telling Dis and Frerin tales after the fall of Erebor ("I dreamt of Erebor"):



LOL this a Thranduil appreciation thread, so haven't forgotten about him!



Original filenames - all off Deviant Art:

thranduil_by_dominiquewesson-d72uo3m.jpg

i_see_fire_by_tamsinmwong-d7j0thq.jpg

king_under_the_mountain_by_x_celebril_x-d7oatqd.jpg

the_dwarven_song_of_winter_by_vigshane-d7fyfhl.jpg

the_hobbit__i_dreamt_of_erebor_by_wolfanita-d7j6njy.jpg


Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 14 2014, 8:12pm

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     And a bit more.... [In reply to]  




This artist has a whole ME series (mirkwood_by_vigshane-d55dsae.jpg) just think this kind of thing is cool!Cool





Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 14 2014, 8:18pm

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     This is a better reason for the arrow! [In reply to]  


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Re the fan art with the arrow. I have seen this before, and the scene that sprang to mind for me is a surprise attack, and that Thranduil has swiftly made a human Elven shield of himself to protect his unarmed Elf lady. It’s not a mortal wound, but he is casting his eyes backward to see where his attacker is at. Any moment now, that sword may swing round…


Makes a lot more sense than being on the BATTLEFIELD in a long dress, and makes even more sense thinking of the wilds where Thranduil lives. An animal or orc attack could come at any time.Shocked And I can completely see the swift Thranduil stepping in to shield his lady, who was probably simply gathering herbs or out for an evening walk.


(This post was edited by Avandel on Aug 14 2014, 8:19pm)


Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 14 2014, 8:26pm

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     Adorable [In reply to]  

*snigger* HeartHeartHeartHeartHeart

Thank you. LOL good thing Thranduil is so FLEXIBLE.Cool


Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 14 2014, 8:42pm

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     Good point about usual elven stealth [In reply to]  


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and I was thinking they'd be a bit stealthy to avoid drawing attention


I think you are right - normally these "shadow hunters" probably wouldn't just blow down the main road. And perhaps they don't in the movie, either, as Beorn did say these lands are crawling with orcs, and orcs had followed the dwarves right up to Thranduil's palace - and by now, even tho the WETA books describe these orcs as more of a "hunter orc" - they seem to be thinner than the LOTR orcs, more like wolves or hyenas - can't think that the elves wouldn't spot signs and tracks of their passing in the forest.



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Can't wait for a proper full frontal shot of Thranduil in his badass armoured glory, and with those swords unsheathed!Evil


Ditto, ditto, dittoHeartHeartHeart. Maybe there will be a second trailer w. something like this, tho I think PJ is going to be sitting on the really juicy stuff. *Sigh* I may end up at a midnight show after all *sob*.UnsureShockedUnimpressed
Of course if it's anything like last year when some of the press could not shut up - no REAL spoilers but that's partly because I isolated myself from the net. The Fandango guy went on and on about the barrel scene until I just cut the sound - terrible narrator, doesn't know when to dial it down.Mad



"If this is to end in fire, then we will all burn together" - Thorin, The Desolation of Smaug.

Thorinitis: Just that smokey barbecue sizzle on a bed of hot embers on a chill autumn night voice making you do things.




Cirashala
Tol Eressea


Aug 14 2014, 11:55pm

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     It's all good [In reply to]  

Smile



VeArkenstone
Lorien

Aug 15 2014, 12:19am

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     Thank you for your gracious response! It is much appreciated. [In reply to]  

 

Please, call me Ve.


VeArkenstone
Lorien

Aug 15 2014, 12:27am

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     Thanks Keweyn and Lurker. And I'll be reading the Sil once I finish UT. [In reply to]  

 

Please, call me Ve.


Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 15 2014, 1:02am

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     and one more *grins* [In reply to]  



"If this is to end in fire, then we will all burn together" - Thorin, The Desolation of Smaug.

Thorinitis: Just that smokey barbecue sizzle on a bed of hot embers on a chill autumn night voice making you do things.




Avandel
Half-elven


Aug 15 2014, 1:59am

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     I have a question re the Hobbit book re Thranduil *spoiler* [In reply to]  

Which I don't WANT to read right now, because as I have posted before I know LOTR so well it kind of messed up my enjoyment of the film.

But every now and then things come up I am curious - about, e.g. I am pretty sure re my fuzzy memories of the Hobbit Thorin is about to throw Bilbo off a wall.

Anyway, in the book does Thranduil warn Bilbo not to return to the dwarves e.b. thinking if that is true I am going to need a whole box of tissues just for Bilbo going back, knowing Thorin and probably more will turn on him at best *sob* Bilbo still seemed to trust Thorin at the end of DOS, and now he really will be risking his life as Thorin will be losing it + utter betrayal from Thorin's perspective.

Thanx for any answers!

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