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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 3 2014, 2:17am
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Nay, you're not maddened (mostl), just supremely ignited by inspiration
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Embrace your peckish genius
Except then there's Thranduil . I can predict a future in which, one day, I will have to replace my remote, because the buttons wore out from clicking through Thranduil's twin-sword scenes, frame by frame. I want sloooooo-mooooooo . LoL I'm just trying pace myself and take it one step at a time. First the DOS EE (hopefully with the white stag, and full Company audience with Thranduil, and of course extend the T&T scene!) (my first gimpie! Wow... is it hard work!! Couldn't figure out how to add background colour to the text layer and had to dither with the colour so it's not hard to read - I hope. An hour well-spent though. Methinks we likes this toy, precious, though it's gonna take some doing )
Just call me Lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment. Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII (Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies) Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare! Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, Four (new! posted 16 Jul) "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies ======= Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk
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Lurker in the Mirk
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Aug 3 2014, 3:19am
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Cool! Hope the computer situation works out for you soon //
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Just call me Lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment. Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII (Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies) Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare! Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, Four (new! posted 16 Jul) "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies ======= Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 3 2014, 3:51am
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Your honorary thrall pass is permanent, you know
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I hafta go back through this thread and read in depth! It's thanks to you and other posters a whole world has opened up for me to explore, that I was aware of but did not know what I had been missing. Already - tho for me lost my heart to the movie Thorin - thanks to movie Thranduil and learning about the Sil I appreciate Tolkien's elves in a way I never did. Lastly *sigh* final episode of the season for Halt and Catch Fire this weekend Just thinking back to my first post and the crickets- cricking only situation back then, I sure am glad for everybody's indulgence to get the TA thread going again Just love the fact that TA is now a part of Thrall lexicon too *snigger* Ooh, can't wait, re the HCF finale. Hopefully we hear word of the new season soon! *fingers crossed*
Just call me Lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment. Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII (Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies) Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare! Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, Four (new! posted 16 Jul) "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies ======= Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 3 2014, 4:11am
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Thranduil and Bilbo, and negotiations at Erebor (some nerdy thoughts)
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ETA: oops, book spoilers!
I often wonder what LP's Thranduil will make of this Hobbit. Bilbo in the book I believe formed his very positive opinion of Thranduil while gallivanting through the Halls (of course he was already naturally biased, since he thought well of Elves ever since the wafting chiffon parade of Rivendell ). And he liked what he saw, because why else would he think to request an audience with both Bard, who he apparently interacted with in Lake-town, and Thranduil (whom he would have had opportunity to observe only while sneaking around) when he sneaked into the camp of the combined host? So i am peeved they did not show Bilbo in the Halls to set that up. Hopefully they are still going with that sentiment of Bilbo's - time for them to redeem Thranduil's noble cred for the general audience's benefit But interesting question there - what would Thranduil make of Bilbo? I do believe he does have some idea of hobbits, since there was a mixed commune (of hobbits, elves and men... can't remember if there were dwarves) in the Vale of Anduin, near the fateful Gladden Fields in the past, and he might even have stopped there en-route home from the War. I think Thranduil will take to this hobbit. And as Eruvandi said, with his superb deductive intellect he probably would put things together faster than a dwarf can put away supper. Certainly they parted on cordial terms after travelling together as far as Mirkwood's borders on the way home. I so wanna see Thranduil saying those book lines re Bilbo in and post Battle! *pout* Hopefully we get more development for this relationship in the movie.
Because maddened or not, I often think Bard might have stood some sort of chance, maybe even on the side w. Balin or the Heirs, if only, if only, he had used a soft approach. I can't think of anything worse he could have done than show up side by side with Thranduil, tho maybe he didn't know the back history. And *sigh* I can't think of anything worse Bilbo could have done, than put the stone in the hands of Thranduil - in the book for be there was a lot more distance, but even then I was uncomfortable. But maybe in the film Bilbo tries to deal with Bard, but yah know Thranduil is a king and has the well-equipped army and just ends up dominating. Because he is a king. And now I wonder will Bilbo mention that, and just be ignored? Re Bilbo dealing with Bard - see above. I was quite surprised at the Empire bit about Thranduil being with Bard at the negotiating wall (though of course any bit more of Thranduil we get I can cetainly live with ). In the book, Thranduil kept away for the most part, which I thought was prudent, aside from being THIS KING who would naturally dominate, since Thorin had expressed his outrage and demanded Bard dissociate himself with the Elves and get them packing before he would consider talking to him. Bard, who true to his honourable word stayed allies with Thranduil, spoke with Thorin by himself at least once or twice. Thranduil only appeared at Erebor's gates with Bard and the rest, when the deadline for Thorin's answer and payment was due, aka the start of Battle.
Just call me Lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment. Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII (Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies) Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare! Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, Four (new! posted 16 Jul) "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies ======= Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk
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Lurker in the Mirk
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Aug 3 2014, 4:16am
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No problem! Confession: I only remember this because I've got this part of the itinerary burned into my brain re ficcing
Just call me Lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment. Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII (Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies) Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare! Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, Four (new! posted 16 Jul) "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies ======= Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 3 2014, 5:56am
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Kudos to kitty! though... erm I guess you already know this but is that plant she has a penchant for an actually lily? Cos Lilies are a class of flowers that seem to figure prominently on the plants poisonous to kitties list.
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment. Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII (Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies) Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare! Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, Four (new! posted 16 Jul) "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies ======= Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk
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VeArkenstone
Lorien
Aug 3 2014, 7:20pm
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Thanks Avandel for your as usual gracious and positive response (this is how everyone responds in here though!)
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I feel exactly the same way, because of you and Lurker and everyone else, this whole new world has opened up for me. I am reading again and learning all sorts of cool things about Elvish history (of which I knew absolutely nothing), and ancient Dwarvish history (of which I knew little). And it is fun coming in here, there is so much going on and different ideas being bounced around and funny things to read. I am loving it! I think I am equally enthralled with both Thorin and Thranduil at this point, neck and neck. I am reading more Elvish history tho cuz I am pretty good with the Dwarvish histories but very week in my Elvish histories. Lee Pace and Richard Armitage rock, or should I say, Richard Armitage and Lee Pace rock?!
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VeArkenstone
Lorien
Aug 3 2014, 7:23pm
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I hope the computer thing works out soon too. It will, just have to patient.
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And, please, let there be a white stag in DOS EE!
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Avandel
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Aug 3 2014, 9:31pm
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To Ve and Lurker both - re a T & T Thrall, that's good because:
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Whoo-hoo, looks like Lurker has taken her first steps into Gimping, which is either terrifying or completely awesome, or awesomely terrifying. So she now can slap together posters like this one - just in case you can't choose, now you don't have to, LOL. Tho this was just a quicky Gimp - OK not THAT quick but fun - and if I were going to stick on my wall or in a scrap book I would work a lot harder. But it's to encourage Lurker, 'coz Gimp while super-powerful isn't the most INTUITIVE SW, and I had it easier 'coz I knew some PS. But once you learn one of these, you can power your way through other photo SW. Lurker, I think what you did was terrific and was what I would have suggested re first project, hang in there with it. One of the big things is learning all those handy eraser tools and blending tools to get ride of ANNOYING clutter in images you want to use. Little by little! Not like I am some expert or anything anyway - not like the WETA guys. Usually it's having some idea pop into my head and THEN I go get the manual to figure out how to do it. Well Ve, LOL thank you I value your good opinion of me, tho I get less gracious fast if there isn't enough Thorin - DOS made me so happy and now looking forward to the EE - and lately more Thranduil. Thanks to trailer adrenaline I have spending more time messing around than anything else, but gotta wind down - I haven't read anything really in a week, which is kind of weird for me.
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Aug 3 2014, 9:34pm
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Thank you - yes, I live in terror as to what they MAY nibble on - including finding out some kitties have a wool fetish and eat the stuff! For a while my Java seemed to eat carpet fibers, but thankfully he seems to have grown out of eating lint
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Avandel
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Aug 3 2014, 9:56pm
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Since the Thranduil part of the Hobbit is pretty much a blank. So perhaps PJ will ratchet things up from the original, e.g. tho am not sure WHY. Of course it's more interesting and to put it bluntly makes Thorin look less of a jerk (not that I EVER think that way re my beloved badass) but for those thick types in the audience who can't appreciate a nuance: "See! there's Thranduil making the madder Thorin even more insane, but of course Thranduil drives Thorin crazy and the appearance of Thranduil sends Thorin over the edge!!! And there's good-guy saintly Bard channeling Aragorn's perpetually sad and far-away look, because he's a good and noble guy, and we need the audience to switch their affections to Bard 'coz we're gonna kill off some popular characters and we don't want people walking out with all the snack money!! And we need to emphasize Thranduil's HAUTEUR, because his subsequent change of attitude will be all the more DRAMATIC!! *Sob* Does everyone GET IT???" *Ahem* Sorry, had a snark attack. But LOL;
ever since the wafting chiffon parade of Rivendell But - perhaps what the Empire magazine IS as you describe from the book, it's only at the end of negotiations that Thranduil makes as appearance, which would make sense re the trailer as Bard does come off as desperate and pleading - exactly how it might appear if things were on an edge, and there is this army at Bard's back at this point.
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Avandel
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Aug 3 2014, 10:23pm
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I've gotta another answer under a dual post to Ve, but re the text showing up problem.... 1) Gimp probably has a drop-shadow thing - probably under effects, but a cheat way is to duplicate the text layer, color it black, and in the layer box drag it under the text layer in the layer palette - instant shadow.... 2) Make a new layer - grab the square selection tool - is nice if you click on feather edges and you can adjust the feathering amount - draw a box and fill w. black or whatever. Then change the opacity of the layer to 20-30% and put this box layer under your text - you can see this kind of thing in the "rabble" image I did - some references will call this is screen layer. Keep on Gimping, when you can *grins* we have months to find something to do before EE PS - And you did a background knock-out w. the Thranduil pic! That's awesome! Pain isn't knocking out all that background clutter *grins*
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 4 2014, 2:17pm
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Teddy could never get over his fetish for wet dishcloths We were always waking up to the sorry dried up and chewed through remnants all over the floor. Somehow no one can remember to hang up the wet ones out of his fangs. It got so we simply stopped replacing them. Luckily we don't host guests all that much...
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment. Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII (Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies) Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare! Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, Four (new! posted 16 Jul) "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies ======= Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 4 2014, 2:25pm
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*prints to pdf and saves notes... & saves pic*
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Thanks for the nudge out the door
Whoo-hoo, looks like Lurker has taken her first steps into Gimping, which is either terrifying or completely awesome, or awesomely terrifying LOL The tooth, and nothing but the tooth will out But hey, if our stoutly isolationist beauty can deign to step out his front doors, I can certainly venture into the maelstrom of PS'ing Lurker, I think what you did was terrific and was what I would have suggested re first project, hang in there with it. One of the big things is learning all those handy eraser tools and blending tools to get ride of ANNOYING clutter in images you want to use. Little by little! Aww... thanks! This padawan is ready, Master!
Thanks to trailer adrenaline I have spending more time messing around than anything else, but gotta wind down - I haven't read anything really in a week, which is kind of weird for me. My silmie schedule is shot to hell as well though why am I here fervently making posts
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment. Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII (Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies) Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare! Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, Four (new! posted 16 Jul) "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies ======= Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 4 2014, 2:29pm
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Thanks for the tips!!! I did think of putting a layer under the font but it's still awkward to move objects, layers and I got tired (well lazy if i'm honest) ... and also applying fonts, can't seem to make it stick. Will dither some more as and when for sure.
Pain isn't knocking out all that background clutter *grins* That sounds ominous *shivers*
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment. Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII (Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies) Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare! Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, Four (new! posted 16 Jul) "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies ======= Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 4 2014, 2:31pm
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Since the Thranduil part of the Hobbit is pretty much a blank. So perhaps PJ will ratchet things up from the original, e.g. tho am not sure WHY. Of course it's more interesting and to put it bluntly makes Thorin look less of a jerk (not that I EVER think that way re my beloved badass) but for those thick types in the audience who can't appreciate a nuance: "See! there's Thranduil making the madder Thorin even more insane, but of course Thranduil drives Thorin crazy and the appearance of Thranduil sends Thorin over the edge!!! And there's good-guy saintly Bard channeling Aragorn's perpetually sad and far-away look, because he's a good and noble guy, and we need the audience to switch their affections to Bard 'coz we're gonna kill off some popular characters and we don't want people walking out with all the snack money!! And we need to emphasize Thranduil's HAUTEUR, because his subsequent change of attitude will be all the more DRAMATIC!! *Sob* Does everyone GET IT???" well, yeah, them's paying customers too ya'know. Sometimes I just feel totally put out with the studios' meddlesome emphasis on dumb down.
But - perhaps what the Empire magazine IS as you describe from the book, it's only at the end of negotiations that Thranduil makes as appearance, which would make sense re the trailer as Bard does come off as desperate and pleading - exactly how it might appear if things were on an edge, and there is this army at Bard's back at this point. Gah! Is December here yet?
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment. Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII (Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies) Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare! Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, Four (new! posted 16 Jul) "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies ======= Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk
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Lurker in the Mirk
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Aug 4 2014, 2:34pm
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Addendum: Thranduil's badass swords and swordplay
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Kerewyn: for you - I made a new thread to mine the knowledge collective on the topic and it's been gratifying to have the wise weigh in and validate our armchair speculation
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment. Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII (Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies) Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare! Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, Four (new! posted 16 Jul) "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies ======= Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 4 2014, 2:40pm
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to see all 3 Thranduil threads near the top of the first page, sorted by activity rather then creation of course.
I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment. Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII (Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies) Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare! Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), Two, Three, Four (new! posted 16 Jul) "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies ======= Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk
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Kerewyn
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Aug 4 2014, 9:30pm
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Read it on my phone last night during a near-midnight train home, and have just risen early so I can post a response before the workday from hell (it's gone ballistic again) Cheers so much for taking it to the next level! Re all this GIMPing, which makes me think of the masked man in the box in Pulp Fiction... if only I had time and patience to learn something like this. When I eventually make my new avatar (I see yours Avendel and Lurker - very nice!) it'll probably be using Paintbox. (I don't even have Photoshop - which is crazy for a creative person)
'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)
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VeArkenstone
Lorien
Aug 4 2014, 10:24pm
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I like this gimping thing, I'm printing this one out!
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I have a very good opinion of you, Avandel, you are funny, intelligent, and think deep thoughts. Wind down time is good, but don't wind down to far for too long!
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Lorien
Aug 4 2014, 10:32pm
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My orange and white cat, Weiner Baggins, would eat on my plants,
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get sick all over the floor, and then dig all of the dirt out of the flower pots and do his business in it. I had throw away some of my favorite plants and give away the survivors. He's an ornery one!
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Aug 5 2014, 12:34am
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Which is as or more powerful than PS, is stable, been around a long time, and is free! This is good stuff - lots of junk in the open source arena, but the UNIX/Linux folks developed this. Paint and other sw can do a LOT, but the time comes when you just wanna do some "floating" heads LOL or montages and clean up so bad images - IMO can't beat photo editing software for getting rid of annoying PR text and stuff like that, or for making your own posters. http://www.gimp.org/downloads/ But I know you are BUSY. Something to tinker with on a rainy day, maybe?
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