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Movie Tech. Disc. 5 - Building Middle-earth: Props
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Peredhil lover
Valinor

Feb 11 2008, 6:16am

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Yes, that's what I said from the beginning [In reply to] Can't Post

At the first one or two viewings, one concentrates on the plot and probably the actors, but in later viewings, one starts to take in the background, and then one finds new things every time. There are so many details in the background, in the props, costumes ... It is simply impossible to take everything in in one viewing. And these details are very much part of the huge success, I think - they make everything so real. You can feel the love with which they were made.

I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.


Peredhil lover
Valinor

Feb 11 2008, 6:24am

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Now I've done it! [In reply to] Can't Post

After being a bit in doubt if I should buy it, because I'm not so very interested in the merchandising, I finally ordered 'The Frodo Franchise' - it was quoted enough in the last time here to convince me most of it would be interesting. And after Ainu Laire mentioned it, I ordered Alan Lee's scetchbook as well - somehow I overlooked it, probably because it's not translated into my language. This discussion left me wanting it so much!

Thank you again, OhioHobbit, for this great idea! It is so much fun to talk about all these wonderful things! And I've started to watch my EE extras again. I *needed* to Wink

I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.


Earl
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Feb 11 2008, 6:25am

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Beautiful maps all [In reply to] Can't Post

I too created maps of The Shire and Middle-earth some years ago (I'll put up pics soon as I can) Smile I used to stay up late nights in my room doing so. Very very hard work, but fun. I did the whole map to scale in pencil and then went over it all in black ink. While Iwait to get back home and take a few pics, just a comment on Faramir's map that I noticed since I minutely went over the details of all maps I could find in order to get my maps just right. I realized that there's a typo in that map - Dagorlad is spelt Dagorland. A little hearbreaking that it found its way in there Frown But not much to fret about. Elvish "Dagor" (Battle) + Elvish "lad" (Plain) got transcribed Elvish "Dagor" (Battle) + Engligh (Land). So from Battle Plain we're left with Battle Land (with a mix of vocab) Wink



Peredhil lover
Valinor

Feb 11 2008, 6:28am

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Wow! [In reply to] Can't Post

You got a birthday invitation with your name on it? Oh, that's great - I'm a bit envious Wink

And thank you for mentioning Alan Lee's sketchbook. It's not translated in my language, as far as I can tell, and probably for this reason I overlooked it. Now I've ordered it Smile

I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.


Starling
Half-elven


Feb 11 2008, 6:52am

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Brings back memories [In reply to] Can't Post

My sister and I were mad on Fimo as children, and used to make all sorts of things with it. I still have the cute ice-cream cone and block of chocolate she made. Thanks for reminding me.

Running out of time but want to say: I am loving this thread and the chance to read/look/learn about all of this.
What talent!


Ainu Laire
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Feb 11 2008, 7:53am

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Yep! [In reply to] Can't Post

Both names, too- RL and screenname! My screenname has become such a part of me that I simply cannot go anywhere without it. I wanted the Ringscript too, but it was simply wayyyy too pricey for me, and I liked that this one was personalized.

Oh, you simply have to get his sketchbook. There isn't that much text, but the sketches themselves are absolutely amazing. I've been copying them and trying to get a grasp on his style. And I'm going to have to order the Frodo Franchise, myself, after all of this discussion on it. xD

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Elven
Valinor


Feb 11 2008, 11:47am

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Ooo Great! [In reply to] Can't Post

That would be wonderful Earl! I'd love to see your maps!
As soon as you get the chance, please post them!

A curious thing, to pick up on a map name thats not spelt correctly. I have poured over some of my own and yet never 'see' them, though I check and check again. Sometimes I think these things happen (the unobvious ones) almost like they are something which stakes claim to the artist - well thats my theory Wink ... and so when they are reproduced, the error is not so much an error, but a signature stamp ...

Cheers Earl
Elven


Amy Winehouse acquires Shire retreat for Summer ...


Amy Winehouse sells Shire retreat in Autumn ...


Tolkien was a Capricorn!
The Hobbit!!
Its a Happening Thing!!

Russell Crowe for Beorn

Sauruman: "Do know how the fan girls/boys first came into being? ... they were Tolkien scholars once ... Taken by the Dark Director, tempted to hold moots & dress up like Hobbits, Elves, Dwarves and Wizards ... A ruined & terrible form of life, not to mentions bad grades ... and now perfected at TORN ...
Whom do you serve!"


Loresilme
Valinor


Feb 11 2008, 6:42pm

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Your calligraphy is beautiful! [In reply to] Can't Post

And your fanboy/girl footer is quite funny!


Loresilme
Valinor


Feb 11 2008, 6:50pm

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You'll be glad you did [In reply to] Can't Post

I have mine on the wall of my home office. Every time I look at it, it makes me smile.


Loresilme
Valinor


Feb 11 2008, 6:55pm

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Fascinating! [In reply to] Can't Post

"It's amazing how the world has changed in the last five years for us all."

Wow .... what was so cutting edge in LOTR is now already dated?!


These are the most interesting features OH, I learn so much from them. Thanks!





weaver
Half-elven

Feb 11 2008, 7:20pm

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well, I am just glad you don't give homework in this class... [In reply to] Can't Post

I finally had a chance to read through this week's installment -- and I again learned a lot.

I laughed, though, when you got to the part about how they had to make "a sword that couldn't be broken." A rather nice play on words that reflects, I guess, that films and books are two different things!

That 3-D imaging thing is amazing technology. Beam me up Scotty is right...

Oh, and now I want to be a calligrapher, though no one can read my handwriting. Sign me up for a Daniel Reeve book too!

Thanks so much Ohio Hobbit and the rest of you who made this such a fascinating thread!

Weaver



Elven
Valinor


Feb 11 2008, 8:13pm

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Daniel Reeve answers the question regarding other things he designed for ME - like the Calender of Imladris! ..The Red Book .. His own Book and more .... [In reply to] Can't Post

There so much to discuss!
Daniel has sent the rest of the answers to the questions I posed, so I thought I will put them here in one post, so as we can discuss them easier than having several. Daniel's responses are in purple Smile

Here we go! Laugh

My question:
> What piece took the longest time to create?

Daniel:
The Red Book, without doubt.

I wrote 30 pages of this, as Bilbo, plus the final 6 pages as Frodo. And of course there were all the preliminary trials, and extra title pages, etc. So altogether, it was quite a lot of work.

Having read The Hobbit (and LOTR, and The Silmarillion) innumerable times since my teens, I sat down with it once more and then wrote as I thought Bilbo would have, making special mention of food, and the wonderful beer at the Prancing Pony, etc. There are many quirks, "mistakes", illustrations, additions - things like adding the names of the thirteen dwarves into the margin, as if in afterthought, on the pages describing the unexpected party. Or composing (at a later date, of course) the Troll song (which Sam sings in the book The Fellowship of the Ring) in the margins of the pages describing the troll encounter. Writing as Bilbo, I got as far as the finding of the Ring.

I also composed text for the final pages of the book, but did this without seeing the film script, so my version was based on The Scouring of the Shire. Peter and Fran realised they needed to provide me with text to match the film, so Fran then composed - and I wrote - the last couple of pages, which tell of the fates of the other members of The Fellowship, as in the voiceover in the movie. I then wrote a few more pages to precede this, and the job was done.

I've always wanted to finish writing Bilbo's journal someday. Maybe that day will eventuate after all....


Smile

My question:
> I noticed you designed the Elven telescope. Where there other things you
> designed for the movie beyond the calligraphy pieces?


Daniel:
There were a couple of other things for Rivendell, which I designed along the telescope, all in the same week. There was the Sceptre of Annuminas, which was made, and the Calendar of Imladris, which wasn't. This was an intricate 3-dimensional calendar, like a tree, from which all the days of the year hung like glittering leaves, and dropped, one by one, to the "floor" of the structure, bordering which was a kind of freize depicting the appropriate constellations for that time of year. It was very cool, but we ran out of time to make it.

The telescope was really neat, too, and would have worked in reality, with the sliding middle lens. The guy who built it to my design realised this, and made sure the equatorial mount could move, etc, so that Elrond could track the movements of the heavens. And because Middle Earth would have had no light pollution, I left the lens system free of an enclosing barrel - much more elegant and elvish that way!




Smile


My Question:
> Would you, or have you, considered bringing out a publication of the
> work that you did for The Lord Of The Rings?

Daniel:
I've definitely considered this, and I approached Harper Collins (Houghton Mifflin) about it. But there had been a quota for movie-related LOTR books agreed upon between New Line, Harper Collins and Tolkien Estate, and that quota had already been filled.

But the door has never been completely shut. In the event that The Hobbit was filmed, for example, discussions could resume... And now, years later, guess what! Or there has been the possibility of a general "The Art of Daniel Reeve" book.

So, we shall see what we shall see... - I'm hopeful....


Smile


My question:
> Regarding your writing material:
> Did you make any of your own scribing tools? ... your own nibs, or did you
> use commercial nibs and inks.


Daniel:
I cut and used numerous quills, as well as some commercial nibs. For some of the papers we were using, the quill turned out to be the best way of getting ink onto it, and it has since become one of my main tools of the trade. It gives such a lovely, uneven line! Lots of character.

I used commercial inks though. You have to be pretty practical in the movie business, to keep up with schedules and stay within budgets.

There are people who are experts at making inks and paints, and there are people who are experts at making paper. I'd like to try doing these things at some time, but for now I have so much to do, that I'll concentrate on my own area of expertise, and for inks and paints I'll rely on those who do it best.



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This is the last of the questions posed for Daniel for the thread, and he has been gracious and kind enough to answer every single one of them for us ..
Thats a Champion indeed!
Thankyou so much Daniel Reeve for the insights into your art!!


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Cheers
Elven x


Amy Winehouse acquires Shire retreat for Summer ...


Amy Winehouse sells Shire retreat in Autumn ...


Tolkien was a Capricorn!
The Hobbit!!
Its a Happening Thing!!

Russell Crowe for Beorn

Sauruman: "Do know how the fan girls/boys first came into being? ... they were Tolkien scholars once ... Taken by the Dark Director, tempted to hold moots & dress up like Hobbits, Elves, Dwarves and Wizards ... A ruined & terrible form of life, not to mentions bad grades ... and now perfected at TORN ...
Whom do you serve!"


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Feb 11 2008, 9:56pm

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A random piece of parchment! [In reply to] Can't Post

I wasn't really sure where to put this, but apparently Propstore.com sold at one time a random parchment from the Minas Tirith library. They still have a picture of it here: http://www.propstore.com/...rchive-Parchment.htm and the listing for it. I love it because I love sloppy caligraphy! There's something so human about it. And this was a piece that never got screen time, it was just in some random pile.

If you've never played around on Propstore, they sell pieces from various movies, including props and costumes that were screen used. They only have a few LOTR items, including a floor tile from Minas Tirith! I wish I had $500 to spend.



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Peredhil lover
Valinor

Feb 11 2008, 11:26pm

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Daniel is great! [In reply to] Can't Post

He took a lot of time to answer your questions, though he's so busy - that's great! (And thank you for having the courage to ask him in the first place and for posting his answers!)

Ah, to have the whole Red Book - in calligraphy! What a dream! It would be such a treasure!

The calendar sounds intriguing. Maybe they could put it into the Hobbit - I'd like to see it!

And Daniel is considering the book we so want! Yay!
To have a quota on the numbers of books was not the best idea they ever had Wink But now, with the Hobbit at the horizon, I hope his one will be the first one allowed for the next round!

Hm, just wondering if this quota is the reason Brian Sibley never wrote the announced third book I so wanted ...

I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.


OhioHobbit
Gondor

Feb 11 2008, 11:51pm

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WEAVER!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

You're back! I was about to ask if anyone had heard from you. How is everything going?

Props has been a rather large subject because there is so much to talk about and I am just skimming the surface. But what is really exciting is what Elven has been doing in the Daniel Reeve thread with her e-mail correspondence with Daniel. It has been just amazing and Daniel Reeve has been so kind.

Glad you're back, Weaver!


OhioHobbit
Gondor

Feb 11 2008, 11:55pm

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I was really surprised... [In reply to] Can't Post

when I was looking for information on 3D printers and found an article about Weta. It makes me wonder just what kind of high tech things are they into.


OhioHobbit
Gondor

Feb 11 2008, 11:57pm

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I have got to... [In reply to] Can't Post

print this out and come back later. There is so much here! This is absolutely terrific, Elven! I'll be back after I have had time to digest this some.


OhioHobbit
Gondor

Feb 12 2008, 12:00am

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The Frodo Franchise... [In reply to] Can't Post

wasn't anything like I thought it would be. I think that you will like it, at least I hope so. But I would like to hear what you think of it either way.

There is no question about Alan Lee's Sketchbook; you will love it. I'm looking forward to hearing what you think about both books.


OhioHobbit
Gondor

Feb 12 2008, 12:03am

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Cool! [In reply to] Can't Post

That looks like a really neat place. I wish I had $500 to spend, also. I wonder how they come by that stuff. I am going to have to check it out more and see what other kinds of things they have. Thanks for the links.


Peredhil lover
Valinor

Feb 12 2008, 12:12am

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It may take a bit [In reply to] Can't Post

I doubt I'll get the books before next week; to get English books takes a bit more time than German ones around here. And I don't know how long I will need to read it, but I'll let you know what I think. It's only fair, as you're the one who convinced me finally it's interesting enough to purchase Wink

I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.


OhioHobbit
Gondor

Feb 12 2008, 12:16am

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That's O.K.... [In reply to] Can't Post

I can wait!


Earl
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Feb 12 2008, 7:01am

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My Maps [In reply to] Can't Post

I could not get good enough pics of The Shire map, somehow the lighting just didn't come right. I'll do so again and post the pics soon.

In the meantime, here are pics of my Middle-earth map. I have no idea how to add these pics into the post and Iím afraid Iíll end up messing up the thread with the size and dimensions since the resolution is high enough that you can zoom in and look at the details. Also, Iím not sure whether the resolution will have to be lowered for them to be included in this post, it might mean you won't be able to zoom in.

Well, if any of the admins think its fine and can replace the links with the images, that'll be okay.

Small scale map of Middle-earth:
http://thehouseofeorl.googlepages.com/ME.jpg

Detail of North-West Middle-earth:
http://thehouseofeorl.googlepages.com/MENorthWest.jpg

Detail of North Middle-earth:
http://thehouseofeorl.googlepages.com/MENorth.jpg

Detail of North-East Middle-earth:
http://thehouseofeorl.googlepages.com/MENorthEast.jpg

Detail of West Middle-earth:
http://thehouseofeorl.googlepages.com/MEWest.jpg

Detail of Central Middle-earth:
http://thehouseofeorl.googlepages.com/MECentral.jpg

Detail of East Middle-earth:
http://thehouseofeorl.googlepages.com/MEEast.jpg

Detail of South-West Middle-earth:
http://thehouseofeorl.googlepages.com/MESouthWest.jpg

Detail of South Middle-earth:
http://thehouseofeorl.googlepages.com/MESouth.jpg

Detail of South-East Middle-earth:
http://thehouseofeorl.googlepages.com/MESouthEast.jpg



Earl
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Feb 12 2008, 7:22am

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I just missed the edit time window. Sorry for the extra post. [In reply to] Can't Post

What I was adding were a few tech specs regarding the maps (for what they're worth).

The maps consists of 9 A4 size sheets (in landscape) glued together. I worked on the 9 parts separately and then glued them together. I began with the North-west and worked my way from there. The entire map (except the writing, the forests, and the little towers) was done in pencil and then done over in pen. I used a kind of black ink that did not smudge since I had to erase the entire pencilling after the ink dried (and also I was afraid that an accidental drop of water might ruin the map). The entire project took around 3 months or so.

My intent was to hang it up on my bedroom wall, but when I showed it off to my family, they all started pawing it and I got all jittery and cringey as they poked and prodded Crazy so I decided otherwise, and now its just rolled and kept safely in my LOTR cabinet. They didn't mean any harm but were just curious. I'd been locking myself in my bedroom for the longest time and they wanted to know what was going on. It took that long since (in addition to the complexity), I share my bedroom with my big brother and it's hard to find "alone time" while being in an "LOTR-mood".



Peredhil lover
Valinor

Feb 12 2008, 7:44am

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Great work, Earl! [In reply to] Can't Post

Have to have a closer look later, because I'm at work - but I had a quick look at some. Very well done! And even the script seems so fitting! That truly had to be a lot of work - a pity you don't dare to put it on the wall. But it's understandable why ;-(

I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.


Elven
Valinor


Feb 12 2008, 11:07am

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Awesome Earl!! [In reply to] Can't Post

They are beautiful! and very clear to read!
Map drawing is such a great pleasure ... I and love looking at maps as well!
Yours were a pleasure to view! Thankyou for putting them up for us to see!



Just to let you know ... in case it hasnt been mentioned and it effects people who come to your website ...
There was a probelm viewing Details of West Middle-earth - I got a 404 error on it Frown

Cheers Earl
Elven


Amy Winehouse acquires Shire retreat for Summer ...


Amy Winehouse sells Shire retreat in Autumn ...


Tolkien was a Capricorn!
The Hobbit!!
Its a Happening Thing!!

Russell Crowe for Beorn

Sauruman: "Do know how the fan girls/boys first came into being? ... they were Tolkien scholars once ... Taken by the Dark Director, tempted to hold moots & dress up like Hobbits, Elves, Dwarves and Wizards ... A ruined & terrible form of life, not to mentions bad grades ... and now perfected at TORN ...
Whom do you serve!"

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