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Glorfindela
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Apr 24 2014, 7:05pm
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its much easier for people to overreact to things. Much easier than what? I simply know what I like and what I don't like – it's as basic as that.
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wonderinglinguist
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Apr 24 2014, 7:12pm
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for the snarky comments about other posters?
keep smiling
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NecromancerRising
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Apr 24 2014, 7:12pm
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Seriously now,that fandom/fan base/fan club cannot be for real. A TITLE of a movie changes from a canon to another canon one and immediately,a tempest of protests is stirring up. Out of a sudden the microcosmos they had created in their tiny little heads collapses like a tower made of paper.Overreactions,exaggerations and hybris against those who dared to "mess" with something so important, such as a movie title,is the unbelievable follow up.
"Obsession and narrow-mindness is the trend of the 2000's and synonyms to many Tolkien fanatics"
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Darkstone
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Apr 24 2014, 7:13pm
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Which is the main reason I so disliked that part. Still, Tolkien himself spoils LOTR by revealing in the Prologue that all four hobbits survived, so spoilers would be true to Tolkien. Imladris18 1 Darkstone 0
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NecromancerRising
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Apr 24 2014, 7:20pm
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It is much easier than to look at things
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with composure,collectedness and a clear presence of mind.Overreaction is easy for everyone.Self-control and temperance is the tricky part.
"Obsession and narrow-mindness is the trend of the 2000's and synonyms to many Tolkien fanatics"
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Imladris18
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Apr 24 2014, 7:21pm
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I wasn't really trying to be snarky there.
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KS is just simply dead set against these movies and thinks they are a disservice to Tolkien. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Elessar
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Apr 24 2014, 7:22pm
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That may not be the case for you but read any online replies or such and people almost always go over the top in their reactions when they don't like something.
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SafeUnderHill
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Apr 24 2014, 7:22pm
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There is some new music in the AUJ EE by Howard Shore (that is not in AUJ TE), however most fans had already heard this music on the soundtrack CDs (it is from the Rivendell tracks). The remaining music in the EE was either songs (Man in the moon and Goblintown) or music copied from elsewhere in the TE.
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Elessar
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Apr 24 2014, 7:23pm
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What I was getting at.
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Hanzkaz
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Apr 24 2014, 7:23pm
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- has a meaning for fans familiar with Tolkien's books, but unfortunately it makes a little less sense for those who aren't. The same goes for 'The Desolation of Smaug'. (To be honest, there are people who don't even know what 'desolation' means. That might actually have had an effect on audience numbers. You never know.). With a title like 'The Battle of Five Armies', people have some idea of what to look forward in the third movie. The battles of Middle-Earth have been a major selling point for the movies, and the new title hints that audiences are about to return to more familiar territory.
___________________________________________________ From the makers of 'The Lord of the Rings' comes the sequel to Peter Jackson's Hobbit Trilogy - 'The War in the North, Part I : The Sword in the Tomb'.
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wonderinglinguist
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Apr 24 2014, 7:29pm
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I'd like to think you weren't :)
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but it seems rude to reply to someone's post just to write negatively about them in 3rd person. That's all
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glor
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Apr 24 2014, 7:33pm
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..and viewing the high proportion of threads about the 3rd Hobbit film that are actually about BOFA, in fact most threads about the third film are about BOFA makes me wonder if we here, gave PJ the idea. After all, it's not like anyone is shocked that the battle of the Five Armies is in this film or that it was not going to be a major part of the third film. I mean it is not like it's being called the Reign of Oakenshield or Thorin lives or the Marriage of Kili and Tauriel
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Imladris18
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Apr 24 2014, 7:35pm
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My reply was to whoever replied to KS telling them why KS feels the way they do.
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That's why Edit: It was to NecromancerRising.
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NecromancerRising
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Apr 24 2014, 7:43pm
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And thanks for the clarification about his feelings towards these movies.Everything became clear to me
"Obsession and narrow-mindness is the trend of the 2000's and synonyms to many Tolkien fanatics"
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Apr 24 2014, 7:44pm
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I leave the boards for ONE day...
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Seriously though, this title change disappoints me greatly. It signals to me what has really already been confirmed through the first two films - that these are largely action blockbusters instead of the thoroughly intelligent and emotionally dramatic epics that were the LotR films. I remember when the two Hobbit films "An Unexpected Journey" and "There and Back Again" were announced, and it filled me with such great joy. It was a signal that PJ & Co. understood Tolkien's small and innocent tale and that the films would honor the spirit of Bilbo's adventure. But, alas, a trilogy, over-the-top action spectaculars, and CGI excess were to follow. None of this is to say that I haven't enjoyed the films. DoS, in particular, I love as a fun action spectacle. But the films have little spiritual connection to Tolkien's tale and that has taken time for me to get over. The title "Battle of the Five Armies", while originating from a Hobbit chapter title, signals to me that action is the primary objective in this last film. Alas that it is so. At least there is the positive news of the EE of DoS - which makes me very happy. Not only for the 25 minutes - but for new material from Howard Shore! That was a major letdown for AUJ EE (especially the tracked bit from FotR ). Now if we can just get those cast & crew audio commentaries as well...
"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that." - Viggo Mortensen
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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea
Apr 24 2014, 7:48pm
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How long has it been since creative bankruptcy caught you, Peter?
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What was the promised price? When any semblance of coherent storytelling and artistic integrity were gone, you would take your share of the treasure? Well, whatever. At least we got three wonderful LotR films from this team before PJ went full-on Lucas.
"Not tall, but broad and grim...wielding great axes. Out of some savage land in the wide East they come, we deem."
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Estel78
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Apr 24 2014, 7:49pm
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Where was "intelligent and emotionally dramatic epics" in the book?
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In fact, that stands in contrast to "Tolkien's small and innocent tale". So what do you want, one or the other?
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Faleel
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Apr 24 2014, 7:50pm
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Full-on Lucas? When has he changed his original movies to fit his new vision over and over, and buried the original versions, and only released them in sub-par Laserdisc quality?
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Faleel
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Apr 24 2014, 7:51pm
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He wants one or the other, instead of neither.
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Captain Salt
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Apr 24 2014, 7:52pm
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That's a straw-man...a specific example from one filmmaker one does not instantly validate the qualities of the other. //
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"Not tall, but broad and grim...wielding great axes. Out of some savage land in the wide East they come, we deem."
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Faleel
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Apr 24 2014, 7:57pm
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But it does mean that PJ did not turn into a carbon copy of Lucas.
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Imladris18
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Apr 24 2014, 7:59pm
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Seems many were expecting another LotR trilogy.
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That's something the Hobbit couldn't have possibly ever been. Now we see the disappointment of such individuals who did not accept this from the start. It's not really fair to label PJ a Lucas when the source material changes between films in the way it does. Many like to claim that there's no heart or substance to the Hobbit movies, but I personally see a lot of heart and substance, perhaps even more than the book offers.
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Estel78
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Apr 24 2014, 8:02pm
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Definitely more than the book offers.
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The plight of the dwarves has much more depth than in the book for instance.
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Avandel
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Apr 24 2014, 8:04pm
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And anyone think the "only 13 minutes" affected sales?
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I saw some posts to the effect that it wasn't worth it for 13 minutes - I don't know what to think as I assume it's the Hobbit fans who really want the EE, and would buy irregardless. Or not. I know I questioned whether I should bother for only 13 minutes, but ultimately glad I did and the Appendices were great, well worth it. Am also a little startled at how far TABA seems to be along as far as being finished? I thought the cut PJ showed WB and the press would be extremely rough, but it sounds as though TABA is farther along than just a mock-up of scenes with a lot of green screens.
"Richard Armitage’s performance has been one of the best things about the new trilogy, making you believe that a hairy dwarf, so often the comedy element of the LOTR films, can be a heroic, tortured, and dangerous badass." - Den of Geek, The Hobbit: There & Back Again, 7 Apr 2014 - 07:07
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Captain Salt
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Apr 24 2014, 8:05pm
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I'm not sure how stating PJ'd gone "Full on Lucas", IE saying he was mishandling a prequel trilogy to a beloved fantasy trilogy, was stating he was literally mimicking Lucas' every move or creative decision.
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