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Reviews, Reactions Part 7
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Danielos
NahoR

Dec 7 2013, 10:30am

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TORN [In reply to] Can't Post

So when are we going to see the reviews from TORN-community?


Arannir
Ronilav


Dec 7 2013, 10:32am

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Quickbeam just posted his review :) [In reply to] Can't Post

 


ďAll good stories deserve embellishment."

Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.

"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at."


BartTheBowman
Erihs Eht

Dec 7 2013, 10:43am

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Very positive from Time Out London [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.timeout.com/...-desolation-of-smaug


Kendalf
NahoR


Dec 7 2013, 10:46am

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Spot on, mostly [In reply to] Can't Post


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A description of the major UK newspapers


That seems pretty accurate, though I'd disagree about the Independent; it's as Leftist as anything else out there.

To be honest, the only newspaper reviews I'll be paying much attention to are from the Telegraph, Times, Guardian and maybe the Indy.

"I have found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love."


(This post was edited by Kendalf on Dec 7 2013, 10:47am)


DanielLB
Latrommi


Dec 7 2013, 10:48am

Post #180 of 220 (1113 views)
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It will be interesting to compare them all with how they reviewed ROTK [In reply to] Can't Post

The BBC] summarised all the major newspapers back in 2003.



Kendalf
NahoR


Dec 7 2013, 10:49am

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Me too [In reply to] Can't Post


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i am quite shocked by the journalist peter bradshaw (in the Guardian) giving this 4 stars. he is usually such a film snob.


Indeed. This is my most pleasant surprise so far Smile

"I have found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love."


Danielos
NahoR

Dec 7 2013, 10:56am

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Looking forward to TABA [In reply to] Can't Post

I think casual fans and reviewers will be very surprised of the carnage and darkness that will erupt in the last film. Major characters will die like flies Game of Thrones-style. An abrupt shift in tone compared to now where the dwarves seem invulnerable to anything.


Hopefullt the last film will get the rave reviews LOTR had.


Shagrat
Rodnog

Dec 7 2013, 11:30am

Post #183 of 220 (1114 views)
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This was inevitable [In reply to] Can't Post

Robbie Collin hated the first, and, regardless of his pretence, is not Tolkien fan - he didn't even know what the Arkenstone was. His AUJ review screamed of a reviewer trying to make a name for himself with that tagline: "As a lover of cinema, Jackson's film bored me rigid; as a lover of Tolkien, it broke my heart." Headers like that just scream attention-seeking.


(This post was edited by Shagrat on Dec 7 2013, 11:32am)


BartTheBowman
Erihs Eht

Dec 7 2013, 12:07pm

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Anothr positive one [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.overallsite.com/...lation-smaug-review/


Arannir
Ronilav


Dec 7 2013, 12:15pm

Post #185 of 220 (1076 views)
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This would change the positive-negative ratio... [In reply to] Can't Post

... to 14:3.

Or 82% positive :)


ďAll good stories deserve embellishment."

Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.

"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at."


The Red Avenger
Llednevir

Dec 7 2013, 1:27pm

Post #186 of 220 (988 views)
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Telegragh: Quelle Surprise - Robbie Collins [In reply to] Can't Post

Robbie Collins is not a Tolkien fan.
The man didn't even know what the Arkenstone was - there is your proof right there.
Telegraph, I said could go either way - I forgot he was their reviewer.
I don't mind negative reviews, not everybody can like everything. But the manner in the way some of them are written it's like they are done just to get a rise out of people. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and these are sarcastic and damn right insulting. If you have valid criticism, try not to dress it up with sarcasm, you'll have more respect.


mefansmum
Llednevir

Dec 7 2013, 2:15pm

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I don't mind this review because it shows [In reply to] Can't Post

what a total waste of time it is for him to review TH.

He so clearly does not get it at all and from his complaints, even if PJ had made a simple movie faithful to the book and only the book, he would have been just as unhappy. There is no way this story could be made into something he would like without being turned into another story.

I understand where he is coming from, there would be no point in me reviewing many movies I just don't get at all, some of them other people love.

If a critic doesn't rule themselves out of reviewing something of no interest to them, the public just has to ignore their review.


Noria
Rodnog

Dec 7 2013, 2:21pm

Post #188 of 220 (811 views)
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I think that the critics should evaluate DoS as a movie, not as an adaptation, nor as Tolkien fans [In reply to] Can't Post

The latter two are for us to do. The critics have their own agendas, and being human, their own quirks and biases.

Itís always pleasant when something you like gets praised, but the only reasons I care at all about the reviews are for the sake of the people who made the movies.

Good reviews could help the box office, which is the only way the success of a movie is really measured in this world.

Itís got to be rewarding for the makers of the movie, from PJ himself to the lowliest craftsperson, to see their group effort praised rather than panned.

Otherwise, the crtiics can say what they like. Iíll make up my own mind next week.


Glůin the Dark
Llednevir

Dec 7 2013, 2:46pm

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Twenty bonus points for the first person who can... [In reply to] Can't Post

...find review in which the barrel sequence isn't compared to a theme-park ride.


Kullervo
Llednevir


Dec 7 2013, 3:03pm

Post #190 of 220 (866 views)
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So far... [In reply to] Can't Post

...every single one of the reviews I've read have praised the barrel escape. Some even call it easily the best action sequence of the year (which is high praise in the year of "Gravity"), but most everyone seems to agree it is amazingly entertaining and innovative. The theme-park ride comparisons have been made to be positive. And I can't imagine how they could be negative, unless you don't like theme-park rides. Most people do. I think they are both fun and terrifying. And I like fun, and I like to be terrified (safely). Hard to think who wouldn't.


jmeyer2039
Erihs Eht

Dec 7 2013, 3:17pm

Post #191 of 220 (743 views)
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I didn't think you were doomsaying [In reply to] Can't Post

Just sincerely wondering where you think the average or median score will end up. :] I'm also just keeping myself hyped by going through the positive stuff here. I loved AUJ despite its lower scores and am thrilled that people are generally liking DoS more so far.
I'm still thinking ~75 although maybe 70 is more realistic. Hopefully higher than both of those, though!


cartermoulton
Eerb


Dec 7 2013, 3:45pm

Post #192 of 220 (701 views)
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great find [In reply to] Can't Post

i checked his thread and it's now up to 16 positive, 3 negative (including the telegraph) (84%)

"the road goes ever on and on..."


happydood
Erihs Eht

Dec 7 2013, 4:37pm

Post #193 of 220 (650 views)
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Well there's another negative from Slant... [In reply to] Can't Post

and he has some legitimate complaints. Gonna have to check the book purist in me at the door if I wasn't already prepared to do that and just expect a fun movie.


(This post was edited by happydood on Dec 7 2013, 4:38pm)


anthonyroy
Eerb

Dec 7 2013, 4:39pm

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64% on RT right now [In reply to] Can't Post

Hopefully more positives raise it soon. Slant Magazine this time with a rotten - http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaug


Wordofmask
Neirol

Dec 7 2013, 4:42pm

Post #195 of 220 (692 views)
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where the hell the other positive reviews [In reply to] Can't Post

hitfix timeout etc.


Escapist
Rodnog


Dec 7 2013, 4:48pm

Post #196 of 220 (609 views)
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shenanigans! [In reply to] Can't Post

Are they actually leaving out select positive reviews? Are you sure?
And if so, is anyone still wondering why some people suspect that there are some elements within critical circles that have it in for these movies?


VoronwŽ_the_Faithful
Ronilav

Dec 7 2013, 4:55pm

Post #197 of 220 (591 views)
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They do seem to be [In reply to] Can't Post

There are at least 6-8 positive reviews, all from RT publications, that they have not included, whereas every negative review has been included. When combined with the odd downgrading of the Empire review from 5 stars to 4, it really does seem to be a deliberate attempt to damper enthusiasm for this film.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


Danielos
NahoR

Dec 7 2013, 4:56pm

Post #198 of 220 (569 views)
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Sad if true! [In reply to] Can't Post

The Slant review was good. My favourite scenes from LOTR were not the big spectacle but the well-acted quiter scenes. I would hate if The Hobbit descends into just shallow blockbuster territory. Still, there are so many people with short attention-spans that hate "slow", long movies and demand action scenes every other minute.
Maybe PJ cut out many of these character moments to avoid having a similar backlash again. Hopefully, we will get a more balanced pace in the extended edition.


Wordofmask
Neirol

Dec 7 2013, 5:02pm

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No [In reply to] Can't Post

Hitfix, Time out, Total Film are its critics too. There must be some reason they dont want to add all of it as quickly as all negative pieces. you can search RT's critics from this http://www.rottentomatoes.com/critics/sources.php?view=&letter=h


(This post was edited by Wordofmask on Dec 7 2013, 5:03pm)


Danielos
NahoR

Dec 7 2013, 5:13pm

Post #200 of 220 (499 views)
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Unfair! [In reply to] Can't Post

It breaks my heart to see these Middle Earth movies have so low ratings. The magic spell of the LOTR-times are long gone. But I think PJ and The Hobbit deserves better!

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