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Reviews, Reactions Part 7
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Joe20
Neirol


Dec 7 2013, 1:11am

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The Wrap... [In reply to] Can't Post

Positive review.
http://www.thewrap.com/...jackson-second-verse


Arannir
Ronilav


Dec 7 2013, 1:14am

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As it turns out, Tauriel gives the film an emotional core that reminds the audience that, even among dragons and elves and Orcs and dwarves, all of their feelings are completely human.



Nevertheless, it’s triumphantly engaging in a way that rivals Jackson’s magnificent “Two Towers” — and best of all, it makes you eager to see the next film in a way that “The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey” didn’t. Powerful and provocative, “The Desolation of Smaug” not only surpasses its predecessor but also stands on its own; where “Journey” took material audiences thought they knew and made it feel foreign, this one creates a uniquely original experience that also feels securely familiar.




Also, the cliffhanger seems to be harsh but in a good way... most critics seem to accept it.


All good stories deserve embellishment."

Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.

"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at."

(This post was edited by Arannir on Dec 7 2013, 1:16am)


Escapist
Rodnog


Dec 7 2013, 1:16am

Post #128 of 220 (980 views)
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appears to pick up the demographic that drops off the lower end of the age spectrum of DOS (being a bit darker and more serious than AUJ).


MatthewJer18
NahoR

Dec 7 2013, 1:18am

Post #129 of 220 (1090 views)
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Very positive from HitFix: 'The Hobbit' improves in every way with the thrilling 'Desolation Of Smaug' [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.hitfix.com/...-desolation-of-smaug


tsmith675
Rodnog


Dec 7 2013, 1:21am

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I was just about to post this... [In reply to] Can't Post

Really enjoyed reading this review. Most of the reviews that have been coming out tonight have been written very well. As opposed to some of the ones that were released a few hours ago, that were very poorly written.

"Seriously, why was the scene with CGI dwarf ass NOT in the theatrical cut?!"


Arannir
Ronilav


Dec 7 2013, 1:23am

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I really like that paragraph about Jackson and his crew, as well as how he thinks the dwarves get personalitie by now.

And many here will be happy to read what he says about Gandalf's powers.


All good stories deserve embellishment."

Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.

"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at."

(This post was edited by Arannir on Dec 7 2013, 1:24am)


Joe20
Neirol


Dec 7 2013, 1:26am

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It's great to hear the (mostly) positive reaction to Tauriel. [In reply to] Can't Post

I've kept an open mind to her presence in the story (I was a little worried but certainly never against the decision.) So it's really pleasing to find out that she seems to actually give something to the story. Smile


book Gandalf
NahoR


Dec 7 2013, 1:28am

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dont know if its been linked ot yet, byut guardian uk gives it 4 stars. i havent actually read the review though.

i am quite shocked by the journalist peter bradshaw giving this 4 stars. he is usually such a film snob.

This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party.


Arannir
Ronilav


Dec 7 2013, 1:44am

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Total Film 4/5 [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.totalfilm.com/...-desolation-of-smaug

Same as AUJ, critic feels that it feels very much like a middle movie but offers plenty still.

Special mentions go to Smaug and, yet again, EL's Tauriel Smile


All good stories deserve embellishment."

Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.

"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at."

(This post was edited by Arannir on Dec 7 2013, 1:48am)


The Red Avenger
Llednevir

Dec 7 2013, 1:45am

Post #135 of 220 (941 views)
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Why AUJ was not the movie we thought it would be.... [In reply to] Can't Post

I think I'm beginning to understand the risk of three movies. Lets get something straight, AUJ is a bit of a missed opportunity in that it only covers six chapters. I like the film, I just don't love it, on its own but in a three story arc it might just be an understated beginning. After TABA we will know for certain. However I think I've worked out the strategy behind this.
I think they have perhaps enough story for 2 and a half movies that one of the movies was going to suffer. The original idea was two movies with a break at the end of the barrel's scene, this means Beorn, Mirkwood, Spiders, Elves would have also been in the first movie. That's a lot to cram into one 3 hour movie. Then if you have all the events of Laketown, Smaug, Build up to 5 armies, five armies itself and return home then you have a crammed 3rd film as well. Of course the Necromancer bridging stuff too has to be shoe-horned in there as well. The only problem is, is that the first film under the new structure only cover the first 6 chapters and the journey mirrors that of Fellowship anyway. Hobbiton, Trollshaws, Rivendell, Mountain, Under Mountains. it's almost identical. But this is a product of the story not the fault of Jackson. So perhaps the plan was to sacrifice AUJ to the trilogy making DOS and TABA the outstanding films we hope they will be. If those two films are as good as the LOTR trilogy then the trilogy itself should swallow up AUJ. I don't hate that film, far from it, there are many parts I love. I just feel there is not enough story in it. Much like the book the first half of the story is quite light and it's only when they reach Laketown that it takes a real turn for the more somber storytelling. The films seem to mirror this which is why there is hardly any real danger in AUJ until the climactic face off with Azog.
I'm really looking forward to DOS, I've always thought it would be the best of the trilogy as it has all my favourite bits in it (Apart from Riddles) but by leaving Smaug and Laketown until the third might make the third the best of the lot.


tsmith675
Rodnog


Dec 7 2013, 1:51am

Post #136 of 220 (926 views)
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Feels very much like the average ratings I've been seeing for DoS. Great news so far!

"Seriously, why was the scene with CGI dwarf ass NOT in the theatrical cut?!"


Salmacis81
Aessere Lot


Dec 7 2013, 1:57am

Post #137 of 220 (949 views)
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Looks promising... [In reply to] Can't Post

...for the most part.


Adanel
Erihs Eht

Dec 7 2013, 2:01am

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As someone who enjoys the elves I am loving reading so many critics enjoying Tauriel. Over the last few months I have been reading so much Legolas/Tauriel angst here yet it sounds like most so far are seeing her as a great addition. There is little or no criticism of her taking away from the "real characters" which seems to have concerned so many people.
Most critics even seem accepting of the Kili romance which surprises me AND there are none of the seemingly inevitable moans about Orlando Bloom's acting yet although it does sound like he is too busy being a major badass to do much else.


demnation
NahoR

Dec 7 2013, 2:04am

Post #139 of 220 (929 views)
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I'm getting mixed messages now [In reply to] Can't Post

Some reviews, like this one, complain about a lack of character arcs and forward momentum, while others commend the film for its deeper exploration of character and more thematic weight. I don't know who to trust!

Hello!


The Red Avenger
Llednevir

Dec 7 2013, 2:09am

Post #140 of 220 (865 views)
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Yeah, I've noticed these mixed messages. Is there character development or is there not. It appears subjective to the viewer. How can one review say "Bilbo and Thorin begin to grow as characters" and another say "neither Bilbo or Thorin have any story arc" - surely one contradicts the other.


The Red Avenger
Llednevir

Dec 7 2013, 2:13am

Post #141 of 220 (839 views)
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Annoyed [In reply to] Can't Post

Still that utterly pointless Screen Crush review is the only thing stopping a 100% RT score.
Its not a review, it's a mean spirited spoke in the wheel.


demnation
NahoR

Dec 7 2013, 2:18am

Post #142 of 220 (815 views)
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The only reason I bring it up [In reply to] Can't Post

is because comments about these kinds of things (i.e. Character development) tend to be pretty consistent for most movies. It does strike me as a little odd that DOS has wildly diverging assessments of these things. But god forbid that we actually see the movie and decide for ourselves! Wink

Hello!


Escapist
Rodnog


Dec 7 2013, 2:21am

Post #143 of 220 (804 views)
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Some people respond more to humor than others. Some seem to recognize any relationship other than love as simply inferior / uninteresting / less-than-real (like friendship, brotherhood, rivalry etc.).

Maybe for some people it is like the Velvetine Rabbit, it takes love to make it real for them?

I think it depends on the person and what they recognize as emotion or view as important in defining a person's character.

I also think that some characters got a lot of in-depth development and the rest got little to nothing. It's like a re-weighting of character emphasis. Let's say there are 65 "character points" to spend on 13 dwarves.

AUJ: 16,10,5,5,5,5,3,3,3,3,3,2,2 (need to introduce each of them so that they are at least recognizable / distinct)
DOS?: 30,15,5,2,2,2,2,2,1,1,1,1,1 (pick a few to develop along with story line - since the story now splits leaving them with less time on screen and they have already been introduced)

(this is just a guestimate of how it could be that some say there is more character development and others say there is less - it is more focused and less distributed amongst all the dwarves - sounds like)

***********not sure where to add these comments in - so I dumped them here *********************************

I also think the fandom for bad*** villains that earn fear and respect has a much greater following than the cackling nonsense of wacky villains (which I personally prefer - but I think that isn't the norm).

Furthermore, I think that there simply was more time available to work through the details on DOS compared to AUJ. That matters because even a small seemingly insignificant visual cue can jar a person out of suspension of disbelief / make them uncomfortable and looking for a reason to pin it on. AND ... consistency matters. If part is slow and part is fast, this makes it seem (to some people) like one of the parts should be wrong.

romance
consistency
evil villains that command fear and respect
more drama, less humor
new regions to explore
more of a human element (or should I say, the existence of humans at all and their concerns)
not having 15 characters to introduce all at once


hamlet
Llednevir


Dec 7 2013, 2:29am

Post #144 of 220 (805 views)
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As Gandalf said to Frodo in FOTR EE: [In reply to] Can't Post

 
You must trust yourself; trust your own strength.


Salmacis81
Aessere Lot


Dec 7 2013, 2:31am

Post #145 of 220 (742 views)
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Skipped over the more spoiler-ish parts... [In reply to] Can't Post

...and inadvertently read a few things I didn't want to, but enjoyed reading this review. I really want this film to be great, although I'm trying to be cautious and not get too amped up like I did before AUJ.


acigos00
Erihs Eht


Dec 7 2013, 2:42am

Post #146 of 220 (720 views)
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I know [In reply to] Can't Post

this is not about a review or something, but I just wanted to share this vid I just found

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjHDjfSk9Ak

Angelic


AncalagontheBlack
NahoR

Dec 7 2013, 2:46am

Post #147 of 220 (732 views)
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IGN review [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/12/07/the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaug-review


Elutherian
NahoR


Dec 7 2013, 2:51am

Post #148 of 220 (681 views)
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Not sure... [In reply to] Can't Post

... I agree with most of those.

I especially don't like that the best scene of all the films, The Ride of the Rohirrim, is excluded entirely.

The Grey Pilgrim, they once called me. Three hundred lives of men I walked this earth, and now I have no time...


AncalagontheBlack
NahoR

Dec 7 2013, 2:57am

Post #149 of 220 (704 views)
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IGN video review [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JCieLqNH84&feature=youtube\_gdata


acigos00
Erihs Eht


Dec 7 2013, 2:59am

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NOW THAT'S MORE LIKE IT!!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

I just love the feeling I had more than 10 years ago watching this films in december... I dont know, it was a great feeling for me.... to relate this movies with christmas ........ everytime I watched this films, even if it was in the middle of july, I always got that weird sensation that "It must be christmas time already" !!! lol...... Im so happy I get to live all those feelings again!!!!!! :D

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