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Reviews, Reactions Part 7
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Jax_Teller
Llednevir


Dec 6 2013, 9:39pm

Post #26 of 220 (1453 views)
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Meh [In reply to] Can't Post


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The reviews from "Variety" and "The Hollywood Reporter" are actually 7/10 that is really not "very positive".


On Rotten Tomatoes? Because if that's the case, a lot of reviews like Variety don't give out scores, and then RT decides of a score, and we find ourselves sometimes with positive reviews counted as rotten.

Blunt the knives, bend them forks, smash the bottles and burn the corks.

That's what Bilbo Baggins hates !


demnation
NahoR

Dec 6 2013, 9:39pm

Post #27 of 220 (1458 views)
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Normally I would welcome contrary opinions [In reply to] Can't Post

 especially since all of the positivity began. But if the reviewer won't even extend the courtesy of respecting the opinions of people who might feel differently than him, then I have to ask why I should take him seriously.

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tsmith675
Rodnog


Dec 6 2013, 9:40pm

Post #28 of 220 (1399 views)
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I know, but... [In reply to] Can't Post

this guy's notion that the Hobbit films aren't actually "real" movies? What the hell does that even mean? A pretty terrible review overall for this guy.

"Seriously, why was the scene with CGI dwarf ass NOT in the theatrical cut?!"

(This post was edited by tsmith675 on Dec 6 2013, 9:41pm)


daemoon
Llednevir


Dec 6 2013, 9:41pm

Post #29 of 220 (1443 views)
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This is hilarious [In reply to] Can't Post

https://twitter.com/Ethan_Anderton

"For me, THE HOBBIT so far feels like a children’s story people tell within the world of LORD OF THE RINGS. Thus, not as good."

"No, it’s not. It actually happened. Doesn’t have the power of LORD OF THE RINGS. Feels phony like a fairytale."

"That’s fine, but it’s a step backwards. At least HARRY POTTER has a practical reason for being childish first and getting better."


Jax_Teller
Llednevir


Dec 6 2013, 9:42pm

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Wow [In reply to] Can't Post

"There comes a time when we must stop kidding ourselves. These ‘Hobbit‘ films – with ‘The Desolation of Smaug‘ representing the shank of the trilogy – are not real movies. These are exploitation films for Tolkien nuts, for enthusiasts of the original ‘Lord of the Rings’ movies and for audiences so hungry for high fantasy they’ll gobble up whatever is served to them and ask for seconds."

From Screenrush, what a jerk.

Blunt the knives, bend them forks, smash the bottles and burn the corks.

That's what Bilbo Baggins hates !

(This post was edited by entmaiden on Dec 7 2013, 2:28am)


Ar-Pharazôn
Erihs Eht

Dec 6 2013, 9:42pm

Post #31 of 220 (1458 views)
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Oh my godness [In reply to] Can't Post

It is clearly not "very positive" as the thread-starter seems to believe. No use to fool yourself.


Jax_Teller
Llednevir


Dec 6 2013, 9:42pm

Post #32 of 220 (1410 views)
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Hysterical [In reply to] Can't Post


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https://twitter.com/Ethan_Anderton

"For me, THE HOBBIT so far feels like a children’s story people tell within the world of LORD OF THE RINGS. Thus, not as good."

"No, it’s not. It actually happened. Doesn’t have the power of LORD OF THE RINGS. Feels phony like a fairytale."

"That’s fine, but it’s a step backwards. At least HARRY POTTER has a practical reason for being childish first and getting better."


Yep, that's the guy I was talking about, hysterical comments.

Blunt the knives, bend them forks, smash the bottles and burn the corks.

That's what Bilbo Baggins hates !


Jax_Teller
Llednevir


Dec 6 2013, 9:44pm

Post #33 of 220 (1403 views)
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Well [In reply to] Can't Post


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It is clearly not "very positive" as the thread-starter seems to believe. No use to fool yourself.



What's sure is that this one will be much better received critically speaking, not that it matters really, but at least, it's some form of victory.

That some of those who hated AUJ liked, or even loved this one, is a good thing.

Blunt the knives, bend them forks, smash the bottles and burn the corks.

That's what Bilbo Baggins hates !


Wordofmask
Neirol

Dec 6 2013, 9:44pm

Post #34 of 220 (1431 views)
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that 2 critics gave AUJ only 5 [In reply to] Can't Post

i dont mind if this kind of 7/10 reviews continue. I'm so satisfying if it still better than AUJ.


Ar-Pharazôn
Erihs Eht

Dec 6 2013, 9:45pm

Post #35 of 220 (1396 views)
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Reviews [In reply to] Can't Post

No, on metacritics.


Fili
Neirol


Dec 6 2013, 9:47pm

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The Tagline of His Review [In reply to] Can't Post

"Don't let anyone tell you different: The Hobbit Desolation of Smaug stinks."

That should tell you right away what kind of guy he thinks he is and what he thinks of you and other reviewers.

And yeah, as far as any in-depth analysis? Usually when I read a critic, I can understand exactly where a film did or didn't work for him (even if I disagree). This guy just puked a bunch of hyperbole and snark onto a little web page and called it a review.

He can get stuffed.

“So comes snow after fire, and even dragons have their endings.”


demnation
NahoR

Dec 6 2013, 9:48pm

Post #37 of 220 (1379 views)
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I think he makes some very valid points [In reply to] Can't Post

about the differences in tone between LOTR and TH. Of course, I haven't seen the film yet so I don't know if his points are valid for DOS.

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Wordofmask
Neirol

Dec 6 2013, 9:48pm

Post #38 of 220 (1390 views)
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If you have 70+ score at metacritic [In reply to] Can't Post

that is not so easy. just see The Avenger.


daemoon
Llednevir


Dec 6 2013, 9:48pm

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Thor 2 [In reply to] Can't Post

"But that is more of an involuntary reaction to exposure to certain elements, not the summation of a film. Listen, there’s a grey-bearded wizard who warns in low tones about a place that sounds like “Doggledoor.” And there’s someone referred to as “Thorin son of Thrain son of Thror.” I love that geekorama stuff more than most. It’s hilarious, and I’ll probably refer to my cat as “Thorin son of Thrain son of Thror” for the next week. "

He says that and gave Thor 2 a 9/10.


demnation
NahoR

Dec 6 2013, 9:52pm

Post #40 of 220 (1301 views)
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"Everyone else is lying!" [In reply to] Can't Post

Is a strange mindset to have for a critic.

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Elskidor
NahoR


Dec 6 2013, 9:58pm

Post #41 of 220 (1227 views)
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lol [In reply to] Can't Post

That's reason enough to revoke his critic license.

And Thor 2? lol, I saw that...it was almost as good as the first Thor, but really it was just more of the same. 9/10? Yeah, maybe if it was the first super hero ever made and everyone was still so blown away. As it stands Thor 2 is much like the rest of the super hero film clones nowadays..7/10 movie wise...Loki character wise can have a 9/10 though, but not the film.


unexpectedvisitor
NahoR

Dec 6 2013, 9:59pm

Post #42 of 220 (1254 views)
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read the reviews [In reply to] Can't Post

considering how they felt about AUJ, i'd say the reviews are positive enough.


Thorin's Oakenshield
Erihs Eht

Dec 6 2013, 10:04pm

Post #43 of 220 (1392 views)
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Indiewire review - quite negative [In reply to] Can't Post

http://blogs.indiewire.com/...kellen-more-20131206


unexpectedvisitor
NahoR

Dec 6 2013, 10:06pm

Post #44 of 220 (1198 views)
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that Screencrush review is just... [In reply to] Can't Post

i have no problem with the fact that it's negative, but man, he just spent no effort whatsoever in writing that thing. his points don't really cohere at all and it's never good starting out a review by insulting everyone that might disagree with you. and i've actually liked some reviews that Jordan Hoffman has done in the past, with this it seems like he just didn't get into the movie at all and didn't bother investing much thought or time into his review. maybe he shouldn't have bothered at all.

what's weird, though, is he heaps a lot of praise on the big three setpieces we've all been hearing about, the spiders, the barrel ride, and Smaug. and yet the movie gets a 4 out of 10. the story and characters must do nothing for him.


Carne
Aessere Lot

Dec 6 2013, 10:16pm

Post #45 of 220 (1086 views)
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Sounds like he hates everything Tolkien to begin with // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Wordofmask
Neirol

Dec 6 2013, 10:18pm

Post #46 of 220 (1142 views)
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No indiewire [In reply to] Can't Post

It is The Playlist
Indiewire is seperated section


Hsvfan
Erihs Eht

Dec 6 2013, 10:18pm

Post #47 of 220 (1330 views)
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The Guardian review [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.theguardian.com/...tion-of-smaug-review


(This post was edited by Ataahua on Dec 6 2013, 11:34pm)


unexpectedvisitor
NahoR

Dec 6 2013, 10:19pm

Post #48 of 220 (1114 views)
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now that is a much better written negative review [In reply to] Can't Post

than the ScreenCrush travesty. it is a bit confusing, though, as on one hand he seems to praise the film for having better pacing and action than AUJ but on the other hand...i dunno, he says he doesn't think the movie is about anything. it's the middle chapter and that seems to hurt it in his eyes because no thematic throughlines are getting resolved. i guess we'll see, but i do think he goes a bit overboard when he says "this isn't what storytelling and filmmaking should be about."


Wordofmask
Neirol

Dec 6 2013, 10:22pm

Post #49 of 220 (1105 views)
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Is that he has give DoS 4 / 5 stars? [In reply to] Can't Post

 


demnation
NahoR

Dec 6 2013, 10:23pm

Post #50 of 220 (1112 views)
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This is what I was afraid of [In reply to] Can't Post

DOS satisfies those who wanted a faster pace and more action thrills, but those who actually care about story and character are left disappointed. Looks like PJ took criticism of the first film too close to heart. Can't please everyone, I guess.

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(This post was edited by demnation on Dec 6 2013, 10:23pm)

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