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Hobbit Casting Speculation with MrCere!
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Finding Frodo
Tol Eressea


Jan 10 2008, 4:09am

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Welcome, tattooed dwarf! [In reply to] Can't Post

I just want to point out that tattooed dwarf accidentally replied to me when you probably wanted to reply to the original post. No worries -- it's been happening a lot lately and it doesn't matter at all in "Flat Mode" but a lot of us read posts in "Threaded Mode" and that's where it gets confusing. Anyway, what the heck, you're welcome, glad to have you with us!

I too hope for dwarves in more dramatic roles than Gimli had in LotR. Of course, some comic relief is to be expected and hoped for, particularly at The Unexpected Party, maybe during the escape from the Wargs and goblins, at Beorn's house, and anytime Bilbo is trying to be perfectly quiet and the dwarves are making a "dwarvish racket".

Where's Frodo?


Finding Frodo
Tol Eressea


Jan 10 2008, 4:12am

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Welcome, renzn! [In reply to] Can't Post

Wow, you make a great case for these characters and you have real vision for how they should be portrayed. I confess I haven't even thought about Dain, nor given much consideration to Oin and Gloin except to know they're the ones with the tinderboxes. What are your thoughts on Balin, Dori, and Fili and Kili?

Where's Frodo?


Tim
Tol Eressea


Jan 10 2008, 4:37am

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Insert Witty Subject Line Here [In reply to] Can't Post

Nice article MrCere, but I think most of your choices are a bit too "main stream". Casting unknowns who can own a role is my preference, though it goes with out saying it is not a necessity in making an awesome movie. I will say that Martin Freeman is living proof that Hobbits did or do exist in one form or another. Brian Blessed would be AWESOME as Beorn.

Great, where are we going?


Silverlode
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Jan 10 2008, 5:10am

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Well, if it isn't [In reply to] Can't Post

one of the very first TORNadoes I ever met! Cool Good to see you here again. How's life treating you these days?

I completely agree that the dwarf actors need to be 6' or taller and solidly built, just as the hobbit actor needs to be in the 5' 6" -ish range. It gave the perfect height/size difference between dwarf and hobbits in LOTR, and if they cast that way again it would prevent the need for scale doubles and forced perspective for a large portion of the movie.

I think I like Martin Freeman best of the hobbit candidates I've seen, but Simon Pegg is an interesting choice.

Silverlode

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Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
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Ataahua
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Jan 10 2008, 5:55am

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And hello back! [In reply to] Can't Post

It's great to see you here NK. Smile

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gracie
Bree


Jan 10 2008, 7:12am

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hobbit cast [In reply to] Can't Post

Martin Freeman as Bilbo for sure, he does look like a younger version of Ian Holm!
Anyone in favour for a Graig Parker "Haldir" cameo?
That would be cool!
Everyone seems to love that "Parker" Guy!!

Ron definitely to play Thorin "Oakenshield"

Johnny Depp as Thranduil ...that would be awsome

here I go again... Eric Bana as "Bard" would be cool, he fits the description, I always visioned him playing Bard.

What do you guys think?

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Treehugger
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Jan 10 2008, 7:12am

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2 cents [In reply to] Can't Post

Here is my cast list:

Bilbo – Martin Freeman
Cast Members from LOTR that are in book or prequel or sequel
Smaug- Michael Wincott (he has SUCH an evil voice)
Dwarves - Luis Guzmán, Ron Perlman, I don’t suppose John Rhys-Davies would play Gloin…, Can’t think of any others.


Leaves of three, let them be!


Annael
Half-elven


Jan 10 2008, 7:14am

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What's a Nazgul like you doing in a place like this! [In reply to] Can't Post

Lovely to see you, NK!


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gracie
Bree


Jan 10 2008, 7:46am

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Wincott yay [In reply to] Can't Post

yes Michael Wincott could definately work as Smaug!

Put a little bit of a pitch shift on his voice like they did with King Xerxes in "300".

Great suggestion!


AinurOlorin
Half-elven

Jan 10 2008, 9:27am

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Actually, Tolkien's Elves and traditional Faerys are VERY closely related [In reply to] Can't Post

The High-Elves being much more akin to ancient Faery conceptions and beliefs than to, say, the latter day elves encountered in some tales. But that adresses something said by someone other than you Rezn, so, back on topic. . .

In Bowie, I see not only the look (which he has in spades, and not in a comic way, such as Mick Jagger as goblin King. . . I don't even see how someone could make such a comparison!), but also the gravity to pull off the role, and the hint of mischief and of selfishness and cunning that also factors into Thranduil, who is neither so benevolent nor so wise as Elrond, Galadriel or Glorfindel, despite being a venerable, thoughtful and noble elf king. I think David merges those qualities more effectively than Sands, and looks more the part to my mind. I know he wanted to play Elrond, and while I think weaving was dead on for the role, I'd still love to see Bowie involved as the elven king.]

Now as to Glorfindel, I think, first, that Jude Law is a solid actor, with solid presence. Not so daunting as Sands, now, but formidable.More so, I think, Than Jonathan Rhys-Davies, who runs my close second for Glorfindel. He certainly has more gravitas than Orlando Bloom, whom I like. Now, in terms of the look, it would have to be someone like for Glorfindel. He MUST look younger than Elrond, by descript definition. Bowie and Weaving can do Thranduil and Elrond, for Tolkien describes Elrond as neither old nor young, and while Thranduil is described less, one gets a feeling that a middle aged, but fit actor would do him justice. Glorfindel, however, is specifically described as not only powerful, but as appearing quite young and beautiful. "His face Fair and YOUNG . . . and full of Joy. His eyes bright and keen. His voice like music" I too have children, and am heterosexual, but I am also not blind, and in a side by side comparison of who better embodies, Fair ( synonym for beauteaous) and Young, with joyous eyes and full of music. . . I have to say Jude beats out Julian hands down. 20 years ago Julian fit that bill, but while he is still a handsome person, fair and young just don't spring to mind any more in looking at him.

But I am happy that you and many of the rest of us agree on Fishburne for Beorn. That would be great on so many levels.

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grammaboodawg
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Jan 10 2008, 10:08am

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Wow! Hi! [In reply to] Can't Post

It's so great to see you!!

I agree that they need to be scaled to avoid the problem of Bilbo's height. I've started a list of players 6 foot and over that have been mentioned:


Ron Perlman 6'2"
Brendan Gleeson 6'2"
Robbie Coltane 6'1"
John Rhys Davies 6'1" (they must have addressed allergic reaction alternatives by now)
Stephen Fry 6'4.5"
Lawrence Fishburne 6' 1/2"

Then there's John Noble at 6'1"



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Pittsmen
Rivendell

Jan 10 2008, 11:09am

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TOM WAITS AS SMAUG There is no other [In reply to] Can't Post

I’m sorry but I have been hearing a few names thrown around and none of them stand out; however I think the be all end all smaug should and would be Tom Waits. No man has a more harsh gravely voice, yet the ability to woe you into a poetic submission, he is not only frightening but he is also hypnotizing. Listen to some of his music, watch some of his movies, and tell me the man who wrote The Earth Died Screaming is not the epitome of Smaug. http://youtube.com/watch?v=JaLjwSpZ6Cs <--- Just a Sample of his many vocal abilities. http://youtube.com/...&feature=related <-- some more. http://youtube.com/watch?v=sILtO6LAEq8 LIsten to him get into his vocals in the song... http://youtube.com/watch?v=1rgHYp99hYs THIS IS TOM WAITS in the Movie DOMINO! Listen to him speak to domino, Listen to his speech. http://youtube.com/watch?v=U0GWl9GWawI Lastly... there is a multitude of media to look at with tom waits I suggest you look into him.


cleyrah
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Jan 10 2008, 2:28pm

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Casting Speculations [In reply to] Can't Post

It seems that a lot of "big names" have been floating around: Colin Firth, Alan Rickman, etc. One of the things I most admired about the LOTR trilogy was the inventive casting. Orlando Bloom, Billy Boyd, Dominic Monaghan, David Wenham - these were all names that no one had really heard of before, particularly stateside (Orlando had never even done a movie before!). You don't need that many big names to lure folks to a Hobbit film - the work speaks for itself. So I really hope the director (whoever that may be) takes a cue from Mr. Jackson and casts outside the box.


Darkstone
Immortal


Jan 10 2008, 2:31pm

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



Darkstone
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Jan 10 2008, 2:34pm

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Nah. [In reply to] Can't Post

Not "johnny one-note". Rather "incremental verse".

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



renzn
Bree

Jan 10 2008, 3:58pm

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Glorfindel already cast in ROTK [In reply to] Can't Post

I've relented to you on the Bowie idea; however, I chose to search for possible images of Glorfindel. Apparently this character already has been cast and was present in the ROTK movie. Simply go to http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/12658. Now the fella pictured here has the youth of a Jude Law, but this guy has a far more serious look to him. I believe it only right that they renew this actor to play this role. What are your thoughts?



(This post was edited by renzn on Jan 10 2008, 3:59pm)


Treehugger
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Jan 10 2008, 5:18pm

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I can't see this with a lot of big "Top 40" stars. I probably even prefer they don't go that route. A strong prerequisite would be a good acting ability.

Its been a few years since I read the book. I am going to have to read it so I can remember all the characters.

Leaves of three, let them be!


Patty
Immortal


Jan 10 2008, 5:53pm

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If they have his character in Rivendell in the movies... [In reply to] Can't Post

which, why wouldn't they? then yes, he should be cast again. Give him a word or two this time, why don't ya, Pete?

For Gondor!


Tim
Tol Eressea


Jan 10 2008, 6:44pm

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Hmmm. No, this guy looks too much like a kid. I haven't caved on Bowie either, I would have a Weaving moment with Bowie in it. When I saw Weaving in FOTR I just kept waiting to hear "Mr. Anderson" in there somewhere. He didn't ruin the movie for me, but his presence did jolt me out of the movie for a minute. There are few actors who can move from one movie to another and inhabit their new part without reminding you of another part. I am in no way saying Weaving is a poor actor, he's fantastic. Nor am I saying that Bowie is a poor actor. I'm not picking on the elves, either, I had the same kind of problem with Sean Bean as Boromir, though it wasn't as pronounced as Weaving. I just remember Sean as the terrorist going after Harrison Ford in Patriot Games (though he's been in a TON of stuff since then). Some actors can just pull it off with me, like Ian Holm. He did such a good job inhabiting Bilbo I didn't think of him as the android that goes crazy in Alien. Gary Oldman is another. When he played Gordon in Batman, he didn't remind me of his roles in The Professional or Dracula. They both just own whatever new role they take. Ian McKellan didn't remind me Magneto in Xmen or Richard III.


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I've relented to you on the Bowie idea; however, I chose to search for possible images of Glorfindel. Apparently this character already has been cast and was present in the ROTK movie. Simply go to http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/12658. Now the fella pictured here has the youth of a Jude Law, but this guy has a far more serious look to him. I believe it only right that they renew this actor to play this role. What are your thoughts?



Great, where are we going?


Patty
Immortal


Jan 10 2008, 7:05pm

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I can get behind this because... [In reply to] Can't Post

elves are supposed to be fresh and youthful looking. But hey Cirdan didn't pull that off, did he?

I was very very fortunate to only have seen "The Matrix" once before FotR (I had to watch it, because the Ring trailer first appeared during the airing of "The Matrix") but I didn't have Hugo Weaving burned into my retinas as Mr. Anderson then. But I know what you mean about how difficult it is for the viewer to see someone who is iconic for a particular role then try to act as someone else. It is often very off-putting.

For Gondor!


Peredhil lover
Valinor

Jan 10 2008, 7:16pm

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Hmmm ... [In reply to] Can't Post

Hadn't known that before - thanks!

Still ... Glorfindel may be looking young, but this one looks more like an elfling to me. I can't imagine this one as the former Lord of Gondolin. But considering the shooting of the Hobbit movies will be around ten years later, maybe he would be more fitting now.

I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.


Zmulady
Rohan

Jan 10 2008, 7:25pm

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Weaving for Elrond [In reply to] Can't Post

I have to agree with 5 by 5, I too was waiting for Elrond (Agent Smith) to say "Mr Andersonnnn" love him in that movie. But after about the 5th time I watched LOTR, it's now hard to see him be so mean in the Matrix and I like him even more as Elrond. I"d like to see him in Hobbit.


Tiria
Bree

Jan 10 2008, 7:32pm

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Another vote for James McAvoy as Bilbo (alt: Simon Pegg or Ricky Gervais) [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes, Bilbo is supposed to be 50, but remember that it wasn't just the Ring that ensured our hobbits looked young for their ages. Hobbit lifespan is about half-again what modern human lifespan is, and they don't even come of age until 33. So a 50-year-old hobbit would indeed look around 30 in human years. Or, exactly McAvoy's age.

True, he does have the direct association with Mr. Tumnus, but Ian McK had the association with Magneto. I think we can deal with two iconic roles for the same actor.

Martin Freeman isn't a bad choice, though, and I think Simon Pegg or Ricky Gervais would work well, too.

Incidentally, if one compares pics of McAvoy to pics of Ian Holm at the same age, the resemblance is striking.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Jan 10 2008, 7:57pm

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I have the same problem with McAvoy as I did with Wood, too young and "pretty boy". Neither really look like I picture a hobbit to look like. Did Wood ruin the movie for me? No, I LOVE the movies and watch them like, oh, once a week. Simon Pegg, erm, er, he's running around killing zombies. ;-) Now Ricky Gervais... he definitely looks like a hobbit. Bilbo is firmly in my mind as a middle-aged hobbit. Pretty boys need not apply. :-)


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Yes, Bilbo is supposed to be 50, but remember that it wasn't just the Ring that ensured our hobbits looked young for their ages. Hobbit lifespan is about half-again what modern human lifespan is, and they don't even come of age until 33. So a 50-year-old hobbit would indeed look around 30 in human years. Or, exactly McAvoy's age.

True, he does have the direct association with Mr. Tumnus, but Ian McK had the association with Magneto. I think we can deal with two iconic roles for the same actor.

Martin Freeman isn't a bad choice, though, and I think Simon Pegg or Ricky Gervais would work well, too.

Incidentally, if one compares pics of McAvoy to pics of Ian Holm at the same age, the resemblance is striking.


Great, where are we going?


Tiria
Bree

Jan 10 2008, 8:06pm

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Frodo was an unusual Hobbit [In reply to] Can't Post

I think Wood was absolutely pitch-perfect for Frodo--who was special, if you remember. Not only a Fallohide and a direct Took descendent, therefore being qualitatively different from more-staid and stocky Stoors or Harfoots, but who had a distinct Elvish air about him.

Add in living with the Ring nearby for 38 years, and no, he's not going to look a thing like a traditional Hobbit of 50.

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