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Hobbit Casting Speculation with MrCere!
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grammaboodawg
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Jan 8 2008, 12:49pm

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Unless they're all 6' to 6'4 [In reply to] Can't Post

which would make the scale 5' 10" ish hobbit scale-accurate. Perlman, Davies (possibly), Fry are all big boys... I think a 6 ft plus crop of players would do the trick!



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Jan 8 2008, 12:54pm

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Admitedly, that's a great way to go [In reply to] Can't Post

I wasn't aware of who Ian McKellen, Sean Bean and Viggo Mortensen were before LotR (not to mention Orlando, Billy, and Dom), and now they're forever those Middle-earth souls brought to life. I agree that a little-known or invisible cast of players would be wise.

Peter and Fran did an amazing job casting these films all down the line... so trusting their choices here isn't a scary thing to do ;) Actually, it's quite freakin exciting!! *geek-surge*

This is gonna be great!!!

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Jan 8 2008, 12:55pm

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All you insightful, [In reply to] Can't Post

intuitive, genius types all think alike... and thank Goodness you're all RIGHT HERE!!! *high five* You're quality, m'dear :)



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Jan 8 2008, 12:57pm

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I'll bet [In reply to] Can't Post

after seeing how the films were handled, he'd be more interested being assured it'll be a quality production. That would be great!



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Jan 8 2008, 12:58pm

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Jan 8 2008, 1:01pm

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Bwahaha! [In reply to] Can't Post

Suffers with the rest:

Rickman sounds like Rickman
Davies sounds like Davies
Jones sounds like Vader

*tsk tsk* That which makes them qualified defeats them!

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Jan 8 2008, 1:08pm

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or Smaug? ;) [In reply to] Can't Post

He's got the voice, but I'd have trouble getting used to the slurred speech ;)



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Jan 8 2008, 1:11pm

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Fishburne... yeah! [In reply to] Can't Post

He's got great voice and stature! Or the gent I STILL can't remember the name of from the film 300. Big, Beorn-esque guy!



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Jan 8 2008, 1:14pm

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As an aside.... [In reply to] Can't Post

Just to pop in here A-O....

Bono "at his current heft".

OuchCrazyWink

I agree, apparently Mr. Hewson didn't follow his usual swimming routine at his home off the south of France this summer, and it shows. He's gonna have to do some serious working out to get back in tour shape this year (and don't worry, he'll do it! His ego's involved....Ali must be spoiling him rotten...:)

But he's still my B. anyway.Heart

Glad to see another fan here:).

(Geez, I hope this shows up in the right place---I'm back in "flat/threaded mode confusion again)Crazy

If not, excuse me folks

EDIT: apparently not. I tried hitting "reply" button in A-O's post and replying that way (which I not what I usually do) .

I think I'd better bow out of here for a while.....


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grammaboodawg
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Jan 8 2008, 1:22pm

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I've been thinking [In reply to] Can't Post

of 6' plus players to build our company of dwarves (to answer scale/Frodo issues), and Robbie Coltane would definitely fit that! Isn't Gleeson also over 6'? He's fantastic!

So dwarves:

Ron Perlman
Brendan Gleeson
Robbie Coltane
John Rhys Davies (they must have addressed allergic reaction alternatives by now)
Stephen Fry
Lawrence Fishburne?


*snigger* I know there are some sleeping giants out there unrecognized by us... but it's easier to hook an identifiable face to the characters right now ;)



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Jan 8 2008, 1:30pm

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I think it's imperative Holm be in on this [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm with you on that! Ever since playing Frodo on the BBC radio adaptation in the 1980s, he's been one of the common threads of the story's evolution for me. It's been suggested he could be narrator for the film as he reflects on the journey in Rivendell or tells the story to hobbit children.

Hearing his energy and force as the nasty chef in Ratatoulli, I don't think his age would keep him from playing pre-Fellowship-arriving-in-Rivendell Bilbo.



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Jan 8 2008, 1:34pm

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The neat thing about Perlman [In reply to] Can't Post

is that his most notable roles had him in makeup (Beauty and the Beast/Hellboy), so it's not such a reach to get past his appearance as Thorin (Perfect Choice, imho)! He also satisfies the 6 degrees of Elijah game since he played Wood's Pa in his Huckleberry Finn movie.



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Jan 8 2008, 1:38pm

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Lobelia is prowling about [In reply to] Can't Post

when Bilbo returns, but you're right that the ladies are lacking.

Actually, could it be that one or more of the dwarves could be pulling a Dernhelm and posing as a he-dwarf? The bearded dwarf-women may be hard to spot!



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Jan 8 2008, 1:52pm

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Oh! Gramma [In reply to] Can't Post

Have you seen the Costume Notes RE: Thorin's Company thread here in Movies? The discussion has veered off in the matter of female dwarves Wink Though I haven't contributed to that thread, I've been reading it with much pleasure. Some pretty good insights/speculation in there.



entmaiden
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Jan 8 2008, 2:16pm

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Other than Martin Freeman for Bilbo [In reply to] Can't Post

none of the new choices resonate with me. I would like to see Ian McKellen, Andy Serkis and Hugo Weaving reprise their roles, but I don't want to shoe-horn in the other cast members from LOTR unless there's a role for them that makes sense for the story. I'm concerned that trying to recreate the LOTR movies with the same cast members will compromise The Hobbit movie. Having a good movie is more important to me than revisiting the magic of the LOTR experience, as wonderful as it was.

It seems like much of the speculation so far is too focused on well-known actors, and that makes some sense since most of us don't know the movie industry well enough to be aware of lesser-known actors. It helps pass the time until some real news begins to emerge.

I think we tend to forget how slowly real news is available in this waiting time. I wasn't around before the first movie was released, but I do remember the time between the movies, and weeks would go by when we were forced to make something out of essentially nothing. We don't even have a director yet for The Hobbit!

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deej
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Jan 8 2008, 3:40pm

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It is a little premature [In reply to] Can't Post

...to think about cast right now, since there isn't even a script or director yet. And with the writers strike still going on, it may be a while before we see either.

But it's still fun, and I guess it gives us all something to do while we wait! Wink

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Elberbeth
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Jan 8 2008, 4:05pm

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I'd like to see Jonathan Pryce as one of the dwarves [In reply to] Can't Post

he had that sort of hang-dog face that you see in some of the illustrations. Add a beard, and presto!

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BuckyUnderbelly
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Jan 8 2008, 4:20pm

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This is fun! [In reply to] Can't Post

I really like that Martin Freeman fella. I think he'd be a swell choice! And most importantly, he's not overexposed to the world movie-going public. I loved that many of the LOTR actors felt like new discoveries to me. While some were vaguely familiar, the lack of big-name movie stars really helped keep me immersed in Middle Earth and kept me from playing Spot-the-Celebrity.

I also expect filling the cast with small-ish names and undiscovered talents also helped keep their already stratospheric budget down a bit. (In fact, they were somewhat famously underpaid, as you know.)

Futhermore, when you avoid Hollywood's A-list talent, you also can avoid Hollywood's A-list egos that come along with them. (For instance, while I often enjoy his acting work, I just can't imagine somebody like Russell Crowe keeping his famously petulant temper in check.) When you populate your movie with character actors and actors with theater-heavy backgrounds -- you're more likely to have a cast of well-grounded troopers -- a cast that's going to behave like pros, even if the shooting conditions get nasty. They're more likely to mesh as a team and less likely to fly off into diva tantrums and hide in their trailers.

So I'd love to see some new discovery in the Bard role.

As for Thorin, I'm a big Brendan Gleeson fan. I think he'd be terrific. Though I also really dig Perlman. Maybe we could have both. It's been noted on the boards that Balin is actually a pretty influential character in the book and his role could be expanded in the film.


But how about a few other names I haven't heard much of on these boards yet ...

Thranduil -- Sam Neill
Radagast -- Christopher Plummer

(Plummer would be swell as Smaug's voice, too!)


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Jan 8 2008, 4:35pm

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Thanks! :D zzzooooommmm! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



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Jan 8 2008, 4:50pm

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Wayne Pygram for Smaug [In reply to] Can't Post

Wayne Pygram, Farscape's Scorpius, should be Smaug


I found a 10 minute interview with Pygram on YouTube which shows lots of clips of Scorpius and the range of his voice and stuff: please watch the whole thing start to finish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldUqV6gceeM&feature=related



deej
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Jan 8 2008, 4:59pm

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Big Name vs. No-Name Actors/Actresses [In reply to] Can't Post

I do agree that at times it can be distracting to see a well-known actor playing a favorite character - one exception I can think of is Gary Oldman, who can disappear completely into a role. Someone like Tom Cruise - well, everytime I see him all I see is "Tom Cruise", not the character he's playing.

Some of the actors mentioned are internationally known, like Clive Owen, and I can see why people would be hesitant to cast him in the movie. In the case of Martin Freeman, though, although he may be well-known in Britain, I don't think he's that big of a name here in the States (not sure about the rest of the world) - other than 'The Office', his most well-known role would probably be Arthur Dent in 'Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy', and I could be wrong but I don't think that was very successful here.

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Jan 8 2008, 6:56pm

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Macfadyen is worth checking out [In reply to] Can't Post

in the NZ film In My Father's Den - which coincidentally also features a very fragile Miranda Otto.

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Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

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Jan 8 2008, 6:58pm

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Mighty Thorin [In reply to] Can't Post

I think either James Cosmo or Brendan Gleeson would be better choices for the role of Thorin Oakenshield than Ron Perlman, my two cents.....

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Haltiamieli
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Jan 8 2008, 7:34pm

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Some random thoughts and comments [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm all for Martin Freeman as Bilbo! He absolutely has the looks, and ain't a bad actor.

As much as I like Perlman (especially in The City of Lost Children), he's more Bolg to me than Thorin.
Actually... he might be pretty darn good Bolg? They do need a good goblin chief for the Battle of Five Armies, faceless mass of orcs wouldn't be that menacing without a prominent leader, and Perlman would be great and unique, easily told apart from Lurtz and Gothmog and other orc-leads in the LotR; he would be his own memorable character. The King of Gundabad!

Of all the people mentioned, I might pick Jack Davenport for the role of Bard. Not ideal, but would pass. I think Bard's defining characteristic is his broodiness and darkness versus his nobility. Both of this can be seen in Davenport. Many of the people mentioned are much too wide-faced or barbarians or Viggo-wannabes. In fact, the casting people should do all they can to differentiate Bard actor, who ever the cast, from Viggo. For example no rugged look, stubble etc. - he is not a ranger of the woods, his in the town guard of a merchant town! And he's the Bowman, he doesn't have to have the muscles of Schwartzenegger.


BuckyUnderbelly
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Jan 8 2008, 7:39pm

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How will Smaug be done ... technically? [In reply to] Can't Post

Because that may be very important to the casting. If they choose to create Smaug's performance through motion capture ... as they did with Gollum ... then perhaps this takes some of the older actors out of contention due to the physical demands of the role. (Remember way back when ... when it was thought that Gollum would be a voice-only role for Serkis?)

Course, I suppose they could have one actor do the voice and another actor pack themselves into the mo-cap suit. If they go the mo-cap route, of course. (And as I understand the technology, it wouldn't necessarily matter that the dragon wouldn't have the same physical proportions as a human. The computer can translate the actor's movements into whatever digital body they design.)

After all, it would seem to me that PJ & Co. would want a character this important to be at least partly actor-driven. Just like Gollum.

What think?


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