Our Sponsor Sideshow Collectibles Send us News
Lord of the Rings Tolkien
Search Tolkien
Lord of The RingsTheOneRing.net - Forged By And For Fans Of JRR Tolkien
Lord of The Rings Serving Middle-Earth Since The First Age

Lord of the Rings Movie News - J.R.R. Tolkien
Do you enjoy the 100% volunteer, not for profit services of TheOneRing.net?
Consider a donation!

  Main Index   Search Posts   Who's Online   Log in
The One Ring Forums: Tolkien Topics: Movie Discussion: The Hobbit:
Hobbit Casting Speculation with MrCere!

calisuri
PTB

Jan 8 2008, 12:37am

Post #1 of 203 (7837 views)
Shortcut
Hobbit Casting Speculation with MrCere! Can't Post

Hobbit Cast SpeculationDoes it feel like 1999 to anybody else? A strange tickle of excitement has fluttered back into Tolkien fandom with the announcement that New Line Cinema will be going forward with its two-film package centered on J.R.R. Tolkien's "The Hobbit."

For some the feeling is dread, and I recall back in "the good old days" how skeptical I was that anybody could begin to capture on film the beauty and ugliness, the epic grandeur and the domestic tranquility, the fantastic and the familiar of the Middle-earth I had been reading about practically since I first picked up a book. [Read Full Entry]

The Mysterious Calisuri



(This post was edited by calisuri on Jan 8 2008, 12:38am)


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 8 2008, 1:07am

Post #2 of 203 (4135 views)
Shortcut
Bonzai! Off we go! [In reply to] Can't Post

This is Fantastic!

Okay, okay, okay.... I have been a Shia Lebouf cheerleader for a long time now, but I have been watching Martin Freeman as a possible Bilbo, and I have to say I wouldn't be disappointed if he fuzzied up his feet and travelled to the Mountain.

I shy away from Depp and anyone else that's too much "star" power for the same reason Vader shouldn't be Smaug, imho. I have, however, come across another incredible voice for Smaug in Sam Elliott (Ghost Rider's Caretaker). He'd have to conquer the Texican accent, but I've heard him without it and he has that deep, aged, Richard Boone-esque gravel to it (Rankin/Bass Smaug).

ooooo... having Thranduil turn and discuss those filthy dwarves with his princeling son would be SO wonderful... plus a perfect prep for the angst we see at the Council of Elrond in LotR.

Ron Perlman as Thorin!? YES! He SO fits the presence and voice I've always imagined for Thorin! Great Find!

Ya know... we'll also need a voice for the Lord of the Eagles. Maybe one of the discards for Smaug would fit there. I'd still love to have some variation of John Rhys Davies in here as much as I'd think it's essential to have Ian Holm involved. JRD's voice can be tweeked as you've suggested for others (Eagle?), and Ian Holm's Bilbo has been discussed as narrator for the story as he writes in the Red Book in Rivendell or telling the story (as he does at the Long-Expected Party) to the hobbity children.

Good choices for Bard. How about Jason Statham (Transporter/Italian Job). He's intense and warrior-like as I've always imagined Bard to be. Or maybe Christian Bale?

OH GEEZ! This is going to be fun!

Great Post MrCere!! :D



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


deej
Tol Eressea


Jan 8 2008, 1:14am

Post #3 of 203 (3965 views)
Shortcut
One bit of clarification... [In reply to] Can't Post

Although I did mention Martin Freeman to Mr Cere at DragonCon, Kimi (and i'm sure at least a couple of others) had mentioned him here on the boards way before that.

I know if it came down to a vote, we'd all place ours for him!

And I would love to see Ron Perlman play ANY role in 'The Hobbit' - he is an amazing actor. If all you know him from is 'Hellboy' or 'Beauty and the Beast', go out and rent 'The City of Lost Children'.

The Hobbit is Happening!


Bilbo Fans for Martin Freeman!


(This post was edited by deej on Jan 8 2008, 1:16am)


kareniel
Lorien

Jan 8 2008, 1:23am

Post #4 of 203 (3968 views)
Shortcut
Wheeeeeeee! This is fun! [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't pay too much attention to movie stars or actors - just the characters they play, but I don't want to recognize anyone in a role in either Hobbit film. I want the characters to be the characters, if you get my meaning. I felt the same way about all three LOTR films. The stories are sacred to me, and I like to keep them pure and unsullied by famous faces, goofy parodies on late-night tv, and blooper reels. If I'm watching The Hobbit in my favorite cinema, I want to spend the time in Middle-earth observing Bilbo, Thranduil, and the rest without distracting thoughts like Hmmmmmmmm. Now where have I seen him before? or Gosh! He sure can act! This role is so different from the one he played in Bambi meets Godzilla. Of course, it's impossible, but I'd like all the new parts (not our beloved reprise candidates, of course) to be played by enchanting unknowns. Anyone else feel the same way?


Idril Celebrindal
Tol Eressea


Jan 8 2008, 1:30am

Post #5 of 203 (3974 views)
Shortcut
Get out of my brain! [In reply to] Can't Post

I was just thinking that Daniel Day-Lewis would be great for The Hobbit!

Plus, I did not know that he'd been approached to play Aragorn.

With caffeine, all things are possible.

The pity of Bilbo will screw up the fate of many.

Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

(This post was edited by Idril Celebrindal on Jan 8 2008, 1:31am)


burrahobbit
Rohan


Jan 8 2008, 1:39am

Post #6 of 203 (3973 views)
Shortcut
The voice of Smaug- need something original [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for the fun post!

The list of unconvincing movie dragons is long, and we really need something extra special to bring Smaug to life. When dragons start talking then this is often the point at when it falls apart. The challenge is not a million miles away from trying to make the Balrog from Lord of the Rings talk in a convincing way for example.

Maybe the most important issue is not who voices the dragon but how the dragon talks. Perhaps the dragon does not mouth english words but speaks 'telepathically' to Bilbo as part of the mesmerising glamour of the dragon, and the only 'real' sounds it makes are flaming roars. Or, since this is Tolkien, should the dragons have their own language that reflects the sounds such a beast would make? In the recent Beowulf film (which was pretty ridiculous if you haven't seen it) they tried having Grendel speak Anglo Saxon, and this definitely added some mystery. Smaug would need a more malevolent language than Anglo Saxon I think; not sure what Tolkien's thoughts were on dragon languages.

As for voices I'd stay away from any big names like George Clooney, De Niro, Hopkins- anyone instantly recognisable would spoil it. Need someone with a very low voice, proud, malicious and very angry! Wink

Also another random issue- Stephen Fry as a dwarf? Eh? He's an academic type, glasses, tweed jacket- not a beard or double handed axe anywhere on him!


entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jan 8 2008, 1:41am

Post #7 of 203 (4013 views)
Shortcut
If JRD's voice has to be tweaked, [In reply to] Can't Post

why should he be Smaug? I didn't like him so much as Treebeard because his voice is so distinctive it wasn't that much different from Gimli, and it would really annoy me to hear his voice a third time. So if we have to tweak his voice so it isn't noticeably JRD, isn't that defeating the purpose?

I think it would be great to listen to a bunch of actor voices saying a couple Smaug sentences without knowing who they are, and then find the voice that IS Smaug, with all his dragon deceptions and tricks. Then unveil the actor. Wouldn't that be a hoot?

Each cloak was fastened about the neck with a brooch like a green leaf veined with silver.
`Are these magic cloaks?' asked Pippin, looking at them with wonder.
`I do not know what you mean by that,' answered the leader of the Elves.


NARF since 1974.
Balin Bows


entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jan 8 2008, 1:43am

Post #8 of 203 (3967 views)
Shortcut
I think he turned it down twice, [In reply to] Can't Post

but I wonder if he might have a different answer for The Hobbit. I think he would be awesome as Thranduil, or Bard.

Each cloak was fastened about the neck with a brooch like a green leaf veined with silver.
`Are these magic cloaks?' asked Pippin, looking at them with wonder.
`I do not know what you mean by that,' answered the leader of the Elves.


NARF since 1974.
Balin Bows


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Jan 8 2008, 1:51am

Post #9 of 203 (3895 views)
Shortcut
As an aside, [In reply to] Can't Post

I think it's brilliant that the illustration chosen for Smaug was done by our own very talented Goldie Took. :)

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


Ataahua's stories


N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Jan 8 2008, 2:05am

Post #10 of 203 (3995 views)
Shortcut
No love for Alan Rickman? [In reply to] Can't Post

It seemed to me that for most of the past fourteen months or so, Alan Rickman had been repeatedly suggested here as the voice of Smaug (and not by me, this is just something I noticed) but lately he's vanished from people's radar. Any guesses as to why?

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
We're discussing The Lord of the Rings in the Reading Room, Oct. 15, 2007 - Mar. 22, 2009!

Join us Jan. 7-13 for "Strider".


_V_
Lorien


Jan 8 2008, 2:13am

Post #11 of 203 (3950 views)
Shortcut
David Bowie [In reply to] Can't Post

please get off the Shia bandwagon; people are just throwing that name around because his bad movie made money (he's an okay actor though)

Martin Freeman (Arthur Dent) would be the perfect Bilbo

Sir, I am offended at how you disregarded David Bowie for Thranduil; I actually see quite a few people suggesting him; he was up for Elrond but didn't get the part, and he HAS been in movies, fantasy movies (i.e. Labyrinth)

Meanwhile, as for the voice of Smaug, what about Wayne Pygram? (Farscape's Scorpius)

yes Stephen Fry would make a good Bombur, and Ron Perlman might be good too.


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Jan 8 2008, 2:20am

Post #12 of 203 (3883 views)
Shortcut
I like the idea of an unknown actor [In reply to] Can't Post

voicing Smaug - because then he *is* Smaug, rather than the audience playing Name That Star.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


Ataahua's stories


Notallwhowanderarelost
The Shire


Jan 8 2008, 2:25am

Post #13 of 203 (3985 views)
Shortcut
Why NOT Elijah Wood? [In reply to] Can't Post

He was brilliant as Frodo. He's older now and certainly he has the acting chops to play the part. He has a nearly instinctual rapport with Peter, Fran and Phillipa. They all love him and he loves them. He can do this! And he deserves it.

What's more if they are even considering Shia Lebouf who is MUCH younger than Elijah then Elijah, should be first runner because of his experience and intimate familiarity with the entire LOTR filming method. Shia is TOO young. Elijah is just right now. With make-up he wouldn't have to look like Frodo. In fact his own hair is the right color and wavey enough as it is now to be perfectly Bilbo-esque.

Look! That's Bilbo!



Of course he'd have to shave.

He should absolutely be the top runner for playing Bilbo.

IF they decide for one of the others mentioned Martin Freeman seems a very good choice. I love Colin Firth but isn't he much too tall and handsome? And Colin looks like a tall version of Elijah so why not go with the more hobbit-sized and hobbit-experienced Elijah anyway?

Yes Elijah is handsome but not tall and is much better at character roles. And Bilbo certainly is a character!



(This post was edited by Notallwhowanderarelost on Jan 8 2008, 2:27am)


_V_
Lorien


Jan 8 2008, 2:32am

Post #14 of 203 (3938 views)
Shortcut
no [In reply to] Can't Post

"they" aren't considering Shia that's just a name thrown around; he's much too young; Bilbo is like 30ish.


JRandomRohirrim
Rohan


Jan 8 2008, 2:37am

Post #15 of 203 (3916 views)
Shortcut
He was in Sweeney Todd... [In reply to] Can't Post

And he's got four movies coming out next year, according to IMDB.

However, I do think he'd be a GREAT Smaug!


It's Official! Jackson to Produce The Hobbit! Woot! Woot!


Notallwhowanderarelost
The Shire


Jan 8 2008, 2:41am

Post #16 of 203 (3912 views)
Shortcut
Good [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
"they" aren't considering Shia that's just a name thrown around; he's much too young; Bilbo is like 30ish.


Ah! That's a relief! I like Shia but he's just too young.

Elijah is nudging towards thirty so that makes him even more perfect for the role. Though technically Bilbo is fiftyish ..in hobbit years... which would make him LOOK thirtyish ..so once again...Elijah is perfect!


MrCere
Sr. Staff


Jan 8 2008, 3:18am

Post #17 of 203 (3894 views)
Shortcut
My reason [In reply to] Can't Post

He sounds like Alan Rickman.

The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie


Elven
Valinor


Jan 8 2008, 3:37am

Post #18 of 203 (3876 views)
Shortcut
Glaring omission ... ;-) [In reply to] Can't Post

Russell Crowe ...
As Beorn - or even Bard .... b
... with a few very nice 'I can see that' comments here on the board, his name has been on the board over the years in speculation for this part ... (OK that may be by me) Wink... but, he's not on your list.
Maybe Im too overzealous about it?
Maybe its not a good idea.
But no reason to leave him out, nor put in a bit more about the role ...
*sigh - rant over - all in good spirit*

Heart




The Shire was never the same after
Barbra Cartland moved into Bagshot Row.


Tolkien was a Capricorn!
The Hobbit!!
Its a Happening Thing!!

Russell Crowe for Beorn

Sauruman: "Do know how the fan girls/boys first came into being? ... they were Tolkien scholars once ... Taken by the Dark Director, tempted to hold moots & dress up like Hobbits, Elves, Dwarves and Wizards ... A ruined & terrible form of life, not to mentions bad grades ... and now perfected at TORN ...
Whom do you serve!"


N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Jan 8 2008, 3:38am

Post #19 of 203 (3921 views)
Shortcut
Tom Shippey: Smaug speaks "with the characteristic aggressive politeness of the British upper class..." [In reply to] Can't Post

"...in which irritation and authority are in direct proportion to apparent deference or uncertainty. 'You have nice manners for a thief and a liar' are his opening words to Bilbo (their degree of irony unclear). 'You seem familiar with my name, but I don't seem to remember smelling you before. Who are you and where do you come from, may I ask?' He might be a testy colonel approached by a stranger in a railway carriage: why has Bilbo not been introduced?"

(The Road to Middle-earth, p. 90)

Of your list of candidates better (Caan, Clooney, Davis, De Niro, Diesel, Olmos, Freeman, Hopkins, Hounsou, Kingsley, Newman, Stewart, Santoro) and worse (Connery, Irons, Jones, Neeson), Irons comes closest to that, but Rickman may be even better. Of course, you might think Shippey is wrong in his characterization. But what do you feel defines Smaug's character, besides the impression of age (which you mentioned)?

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
We're discussing The Lord of the Rings in the Reading Room, Oct. 15, 2007 - Mar. 22, 2009!

Join us Jan. 7-13 for "Strider".


songshield
Registered User

Jan 8 2008, 3:42am

Post #20 of 203 (3874 views)
Shortcut
Bard [In reply to] Can't Post

The best part of the casting in LOTR was that, while you recognized the actors, they were not exactly famous enough to keep you from thinking of the character. A lot of the actors mentioned by MrCere are just too famous, especially the suggestions for Bard. May I suggest Toby Stephens? He has the acting chops, he has the looks and demeanor (I would suggest seeing him in "Jane Eyre" or "Twelfth Night" as examples) and, for fun, his mom (Maggie Smith) stars in the Harry Potter movies. It all works.


Compa_Mighty
Tol Eressea


Jan 8 2008, 3:46am

Post #21 of 203 (3863 views)
Shortcut
Nice thread [In reply to] Can't Post

I actually support Martin Freeman as well, but Colin Firth is an amazing actor, he could pull it off as well. Martin Freeman is closer looking to Ian Holm, though.

Ron Perlman... hadn't thought about it, but seems reasonable. What about Brendan Gleeson, who has been repetedly mentioned, as well?

I favor Butler as Bard, with Owen as my second choice, and I tend to be on the Isaacs as Thranduil camp, but man, are you a genius! Joaquin Phoenix looks perfect as an Elven King!

As for Smaug, I understand your ban, but I would still go Jeremy Irons, Anthony Hpkins or Patrick Stewart. I am a firm believer that Smaug has to have a distinct British accent, and that eliminates Freeman.

Anyway, it was great that you posted this, besides, this way, this will be read by the people deciding in the movie, make no mistake! Wink (Hello to you all!)

Let it be heard! We want Jackson to direct The Hobbit!

Essay winner of the Show us your Hobbit Pride Giveway!


Finding Frodo
Tol Eressea


Jan 8 2008, 4:16am

Post #22 of 203 (3853 views)
Shortcut
Ralph Fiennes [In reply to] Can't Post

Veeerrrry interesting for Thranduil. I'll admit I'm in the David Bowie camp, but I'd take RF too. Johnny Depp is right out.

Where's Frodo?


hobbitgoddess
The Shire


Jan 8 2008, 4:17am

Post #23 of 203 (3880 views)
Shortcut
Where to begin... [In reply to] Can't Post

First of all, not Elijah. People who are not Tolkien fans, but just go to see the movie will all go, "Hey look! Frodo's back!" And no one wants that.

After watching Hellboy and [font "verdana,helevetica"The City of Lost Children (thank you deej for the tip), I think Ron Perlman would be great for Thorin. Not a huge star, but just as good an actor (probably better) then any of the big stars. Plus, it would be funny to see that man play a dwarf. He's huge! And now we're gonna shrink him down to size, just like John Rhys-Davies. If not for that, then he would make a great Beorn (if they don't cut him out like they did with Tom on LOTR). But it looks like he taken for a while, or maybe thats just me.

For Bard, yes any of the big names would do the role right. But I don't want to be watching the movie and be watching Hugh Jackman or Gerard Bulter, I want to be watching the character. It's kind of unfair to them, but we can blame Hollywood for that. I would probably die laughing if I saw James Caviezel play Bard. Ladies and gentlemen, Bard is now Jesus. Daniel Day-Lewis I will go check out some of his films. Also, stop putting up the younger pictures. He's (and several other people) have aged. I got really confused when I got to his IMDb page.

Smaug's list is huge! There are a lot of people who would like to, and who people would like to see play the role. But first I would like to slap MTV in the face for suggesting Jeremt Irons. He killed Brom in Eragon, and does not have what it takes to play Smaug at all. No questions asked, though it looks like people agree with me. And no Darth Vader Smaug! No! *breathing noises* "Bilbo, I am your father!"
Morgan Freeman might work, I could see ...or hear it. But now Smaug becomes God. Vin Diesel...no matter how many times I read some a Smaug's dialogue, I can't picture his voice. Rodrigo Santoro, now that I like. Loved him Xeres. He could work. But I wanna hear his regular voice first before I go jumping on the Rodrigo fan train.

No matter how much I adore Johnny Depp, I would never want to see him play as Tharanduil, or anyone related or Orlando. Sexy man, but not elf sexy. He's men sexy. Jason Issac might as well put his Malfoy wig on if he wants to play this role. I could see him playing it, but I would hate to see Tharanduil get mistaken for Malfoy. Joaquin Phoenix is simply not an elf. No questions asked. And then came along Ralph Fiennes (yet again with the younger picture). Now him I can see in that role! He looks like an elf, and . . . wow, just realized he's Voldemort. Ok, another Harry Potter actor. Still think he could work.

Brian Blessed looks like Beorn. Can't say anything about his acting skill, cause I haven't seen anything of his. Well theres Tarzan, but this is a physical role. So not much to say on him. And you've got my other opinion on who should play him.

Shia Lebouef is waaaaayyyy to young for Bilbo. I don't think he could pass for a young Ian Holm personally.
Colin Firth, was made for romance movies. Not fantasy adventure (I believe I said that about someone else).
Martin Freeman is exactly how I picture Bilbo to look. Also Hitch-hikers Guide, his character reminds me a lot of Bilbo...or from what I can remember. Sign me up for Freeman for Blibo!

Have you hugged your hobbit today?

For pony


Patty
Immortal


Jan 8 2008, 4:19am

Post #24 of 203 (3823 views)
Shortcut
Yes, Colin Firth is (or was) too tall and handsome... [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't see Bilbo as "handsome".

and anyway, I'd keep expecting him to come out with:
"In vain have I struggled. It will not do. You must permit me to tell you how ardently I admire and love you."

So wrong.

For Gondor!


Oden
Rivendell


Jan 8 2008, 4:52am

Post #25 of 203 (3884 views)
Shortcut
Stephen Fry? [In reply to] Can't Post

Although I like Stephen Fry as an actor, he is (I believe) about 6 foot 4 inches tall (maybe even taller). This might pose a problem in casting other dwarves.

In the LOTR, all the hobbit actors where almost all the same height. This made it easy to film when they were on screen together and to get the whole correct size ratio. I would think that the dwarves will all be approximately the same height. Having a 6 foot 4 actor will make it extremely difficult to either cast the other dwarves or make it so that he will constantly need to be "adjusted" in filming to appear the correct height.


Compa_Mighty
Tol Eressea


Jan 8 2008, 5:01am

Post #26 of 203 (993 views)
Shortcut
Santoro... [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
Morgan Freeman might work, I could see ...or hear it. But now Smaug becomes God. Vin Diesel...no matter how many times I read some a Smaug's dialogue, I can't picture his voice. Rodrigo Santoro, now that I like. Loved him Xeres. He could work. But I wanna hear his regular voice first before I go jumping on the Rodrigo fan train.


Santoro's voice has nothing special. You can see him in Love Actually. It was HEAVILY modified for Xerxes, which shows pretty much anyone could do it.

However, I do feel the Britishness and age in Smaug must be natural. Someone over 60 preferably.


Let it be heard! We want Jackson to direct The Hobbit!

Essay winner of the Show us your Hobbit Pride Giveway!


N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Jan 8 2008, 5:05am

Post #27 of 203 (1021 views)
Shortcut
Does Bilbo look 50 or 35? [In reply to] Can't Post

In LotR, Tolkien writes that hobbits normally live to 100, so you'd think that Bilbo at 50 should look 35. But in The Hobbit, it's not clear that Tolkien had the same idea, and arguably Bilbo should look 50 (for humans) in The Hobbit. And he should be on the heavy side, too. (But the same was true of Frodo's weight in LotR.) Sorta like Danny DeVito in Romancing the Stone?

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
We're discussing The Lord of the Rings in the Reading Room, Oct. 15, 2007 - Mar. 22, 2009!

Join us Jan. 7-13 for "Strider".


Annael
Half-elven


Jan 8 2008, 5:08am

Post #28 of 203 (1004 views)
Shortcut
Oh, boy! [In reply to] Can't Post

Shall we revive the old Casting Rumors board? Ah, the fights we had there! (wipes away a nostalgic tear remembering Luaghfaol and the "Uma Thurman looks like a crack whore!" discussion.)

Bilbo - Martin Freeman for me. He looks a bit like Ian Holm, he's short and plumpish, and, well, perfect. Colin Firth is too easily identified with Mr. Darcy, I don't think people would "see" him as Bilbo, act he never so well. Elijah - too confusing. Another possibility is Tom Hollander.

Thorin - I love Ron Perlman with a great and holy love and want him to have leading roles, but - as Thorin? Does not compute. Brian Blessed would be perfect. Or Robbie Coltrane. Or Brendan Gleeson. John RD for Gloin - if they can talk him into wearing the makeup again . . .

Bard - I think Jack Davenport's due for a turn as an action hero.

Beorn - I'd love to see Russell Crowe do this!

voice of Smaug - Robert Lindsay.

Thranduil - I have always wanted David Bowie, though I fear he's getting a bit raddled.


To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.

- William Blake
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
NARF and member of Deplorable Cultus since 1967

(This post was edited by Annael on Jan 8 2008, 5:10am)


Entilzha
Registered User

Jan 8 2008, 5:12am

Post #29 of 203 (962 views)
Shortcut
Scorpius actor for Smaug!! [In reply to] Can't Post

This is a brilliant choice, kudos to the person who mentioned it. That voice on Farscape was deliciously sleek, dangerous, smoldering. Now I can't imagine anyone else's voice for Smaug. Bring on Wayne Pygram!

Martin Freeman MUST be Bilbo.

And I do think David Bowie would be great as Thranduil, but maybe there is someone else out there no one has mentioned yet, with cheekbones. He should have upturned eyebrows.

Good luck getting Daniel Day-Lewis. He'll be coming down off his "There Will Be Blood" role for a few years before he stars in anything else. Though he would make a great Bard.


Entilzha


Entilzha
Registered User

Jan 8 2008, 5:17am

Post #30 of 203 (974 views)
Shortcut
How about Adrian Pasdar for Bard (of Heroes fame)? [In reply to] Can't Post

He plays Nathan Petrelli on Heroes. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0664499/
If he could pull off a British accent, he has the serious look and gravitas. Could make a great Bard.

Entilzha


Patty
Immortal


Jan 8 2008, 5:34am

Post #31 of 203 (986 views)
Shortcut
Oh golly, how could I have ever forgotten... [In reply to] Can't Post

the "Uma Thurman is a crack whore" battles?

I love TORn.

For Gondor!


Elwe_Feanor
Registered User

Jan 8 2008, 5:50am

Post #32 of 203 (997 views)
Shortcut
Why not Ian Holm again? [In reply to] Can't Post

I may just be wishing this to be true but if Bilbo hadn't aged a day since the time Gandalf sees him before the party, then the Bilbo we see in the beginning of the Fellowship is what Bilbo should look like. So I was hoping we could just have Ian Holm return to the role.


N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Jan 8 2008, 5:58am

Post #33 of 203 (967 views)
Shortcut
Welcome to TORN! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for joining the conversation.

In answer to your question: Ian Holm was really too old even for Bilbo in The Lord of the Rings. According to Tolkien's comments in the Prologue to that book, hobbits live to be 100. Bilbo until the Ring was destroyed would look roughly the same age he was when he acquired the Ring in The Hobbit: 50, or about 35 in human years. And Holm is past 70. However, some people here have suggested that Holm could play Bilbo as narrator of the story, presumably in Rivendell, after the Ring has been destroyed.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
We're discussing The Lord of the Rings in the Reading Room, Oct. 15, 2007 - Mar. 22, 2009!

Join us Jan. 7-13 for "Strider".


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Jan 8 2008, 6:24am

Post #34 of 203 (1018 views)
Shortcut
My only reservation about Martin Freeman [In reply to] Can't Post

is that the twitches and reactions he did so brilliantly in The Office were carried over to his role as Arthur Dent in HHGTTG, and I would hate to see them appear again in a younger Bilbo. If Freeman could get rid of those 'signature' moves, I'd love him for Bilbo because he certainly has the looks and the character for this slightly odd Hobbit.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


Ataahua's stories


Ainu Laire
Tol Eressea


Jan 8 2008, 7:02am

Post #35 of 203 (989 views)
Shortcut
This is fun! [In reply to] Can't Post

I have doubled in age since 1999 *g* I am so glad to be part of this round of casting rumors!

I am definitely in the "Martin Freeman for Bilbo" camp. He has the look. I am not sure how great of an actor he is, since I haven't seen anything of his, but he definitely has the look. Definitely not Elijah, Elijah is Frodo and I'd rather not have any of the old cast come back and do a different role.

For Thranduil, Ralph Fiennes looks best out of all shown. Isaacs already has Malfoy covered, Pheonix just isn't elf-looking, and Depp is simply way too well-known. And I think a bald, grey-looking fellow is enough of a distinction from an elf king.

For Smaug, I want a voice that I don't think "Lion King" or "Star Wars", or anything like that. I want to think *Smaug*. I hope that they choose an actor for this role based on how well he portrays Smaug rather than his popularity in earlier films.

Bard... as much as I love Hugh Jackman, I'd have a difficult time moving away from Hugh Jackman to Bard. Out of the 5 listed there, I prefer Daniel-Day Lewis the most, though even then, I think I'd prefer someone who really is not well known, sort of like Viggo was before LOTR came out. I want to see *Bard*, not the actor, and it's difficult to do that with well-known actors.

Ron Perlman is perfect for Thorin. I certainly cannot think of anyone else.

My LJ
My art site
Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting


hobbitgoddess
The Shire


Jan 8 2008, 8:21am

Post #36 of 203 (978 views)
Shortcut
British indeed [In reply to] Can't Post

Well, theres no way in hell I'm watching Love Actually, so I will take your word for it.

We now Smaug has to sound British (it's Tolkien for gods sake. Either that or scottish/irish, except the villains), but what about age? What do you guys think?

And thats a sickening thought that anyone could do it a little or a lot of sound modification. I think it should still sound natural. Or natural for a dragon at least.

Have you hugged your hobbit today?

For pony


AinurOlorin
Half-elven

Jan 8 2008, 8:54am

Post #37 of 203 (967 views)
Shortcut
To Calisuri and Deej (&mcree) Bowie is still great for Thranduil, I also like. . . [In reply to] Can't Post

All right, jumping back, while I coud not Imagine seeing Keith Richards as anything but a wraith, and could hardly see Bono at his current heft, nor either of the remaining Beatles playing ANY Elf, It cannot be denied that David Bowie LOOKS AND SOUNDS THE PART OF THRANDUIL. And he has proven himself a compotent actor as well as a musician. He would be perfect for the role, more so than any of the other alternatives I have seen mentioned.

As to Beorn, I really do think Lawrence Fishburne would be great for he role. His voice is resonant, he is somewhat large, and he can be intense. I also think it would be a good Idea to have, as I have said, at least one person of colour in the film who is not an orc. LOTS of blacks whom I know or have met saw the film, and loved it, and many read the books as well, but one sour note I noticed amongst nearly all of them was that, in the 21st century, despite all the deviations from text Jackson made, he managed to have zero people of colour in the film, with the glaring exception of certain actors in prosthetics playing Uruk-Hai (not exactly flattering). I think, considering Tolkien's description of Beorn, that Fishburne could fit perfectly into the role, and also ease the feelings of those who felt the other films lacked ethnic diversity.

I have given my list for the others in other sites. Of course Lee MUST return as Saruman (so lets not delay the film FOR ANY REASON if it can be avoided)

Also, I must repeat, that Glorfindel should have some part in the bridge film at least, even if only minor lines at The Council meetings, and he could be PERFECTLY portrayed by Jude Law!

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Melilot
The Shire

Jan 8 2008, 9:01am

Post #38 of 203 (1005 views)
Shortcut
What about Kelsey Grammer? [In reply to] Can't Post

Agree with many of the names, but my personal favorite would be Kelsey Grammer as Thorin. Can act. Has immense presence and most definitely has the looks.

And it is a pity that Liam Aiken (Klaus from Lemony Snicket) isn't all that much younger than Elijah Wood - he would have made a perfect young Frodo in the second movie.


Owlyross
Rohan


Jan 8 2008, 9:29am

Post #39 of 203 (1000 views)
Shortcut
Not Jason Statham! [In reply to] Can't Post

I can't get past him in Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels! A cockernee Bard is not what we need. I'd be happy with Christian Bale (and so, unfortunately, would my girlfriend!)

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
Benjamin Franklin
The world is a tragedy to those who feel, but a comedy to those who think.
Horace Walpole (1717 - 1797)


Mishka
The Shire


Jan 8 2008, 9:50am

Post #40 of 203 (957 views)
Shortcut
James McAvoy as Bilbo! [In reply to] Can't Post

First of all, I could really imagine Gerard Butler as Bard more than any others, he does have all it takes! And how about James McAvoy for Bilbo, although he might be a bit young, but he is a brilliant actor and could play just about anything! Ah it is so exciting!


Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jan 8 2008, 10:05am

Post #41 of 203 (1064 views)
Shortcut
My vote for Bard [In reply to] Can't Post

Is Matthew Macfadyen, at least based on his role as Mr.Darcy in Pride and Prejudice (2005) Smile His acting in the "rain scene" is by far one of the most touching I have ever seen. From 2:41 onwards, he looks so beautifully ruffled, in love, and torn between his pride and his feelings. Just my opinion Wink



Shagrat
Gondor

Jan 8 2008, 10:12am

Post #42 of 203 (968 views)
Shortcut
My thoughts..... [In reply to] Can't Post

I've given a lot of thought to The Hobbit casting and I'm afraid I didn't really find much resonance in this list. Indeed, as Stephen Fry himself once said in Blackadder, its "mostly awful!" For starters Ossie Davis is nearly 3 years dead! My thoughts:

Bilbo: No Martin Freeman nor Colin Firth, both are essentially terrible actors and would not be able to pull of the role. While I remain unconvinced, I think James MacAvoy would be the most suitable choice I can bring to mind, though there may be better ones out there.

Thorin: Ron Perlman? As much as I like the guy, you have to be kidding. If one man was ever born to play this role, it was Scottish actor James Cosmo. He just has everything, he'd be absolutely perfect. If not, then Brian Cox and Brendan Gleeson wouldn't be bad replacements, but I'd like to see them as other Dwarfs. Also Ian McNiece should play Bombur, and I think Stephen Fry would be terrible as a Dwarf, as much as I like him.

Thranduil: This is a role that I think would work with a number of actors, including Jason Isaacs and Ralph Fiennes. However, my personal choice would be Julian Sands. And I wouldn't want to see David Bowie either.

Bard: Again, there are a lot of guys who can pull of this role. I don't think its 'heavy' enough for Daniel Day-Lewis to take it, brilliant actor though he is, and if Clive Owen got anywhere near The Hobbit it would be a travesty, the guy has no talent whatsoever. Gerard Butler or Christian Bale could do the job easily, but perhaps that is the point; therefore I think Kevin McKidd would be a fresh and excellent choice. And for goodness sake no Jason Statham - only good actors should be allowed in a film of this magnitude!

Smaug: This is perhaps the most difficult role to pin down. I think the voice should be from an elderly, distinguished British thesp, and there are many who would work well - Terence Stamp, Jeremy Irons, Kenneth Cranham, etc. But my personal choice would be David Warner, who would bring menace but a certain elegance to the role.

Beorn: Very tough. To be honest I can't think of a suitable choice here. Pat Roach would have been great had he still been alive. But not Brian Blessed. Everyone says he'd be good, either as Beorn or a Dwarf, but he's a terrible actor who will just shout and ruin the film.

Radagast: Should he make it into either film, again I'm thinking an elderly British/Irish actor. And to be honest, I'd love to see Peter O'Toole get the role. But I'm sure there are numerous actors who could do a good job.


usagold
Registered User

Jan 8 2008, 10:52am

Post #43 of 203 (984 views)
Shortcut
James Purefoy as Bard [In reply to] Can't Post

As a talented but not-too-well-known actor, James Purefoy might fit the bill well for Bard the Bowman. If you know him at all, outside of his recent role as Mark Antony in HBO's Rome series, you might know him best in the small but weighty role in A Knight's Tale as Sir Thomas Colville (Edward, the Black Prince of Wales).

"Treasure chests throughout history
have been filled with GOLD
and not by idle choice." --R. Strauss


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 8 2008, 12:05pm

Post #44 of 203 (940 views)
Shortcut
*snigger* That would be fun :D // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 8 2008, 12:07pm

Post #45 of 203 (934 views)
Shortcut
Oh! Agreed! [In reply to] Can't Post

He would be fabulous! Good Call!



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 8 2008, 12:20pm

Post #46 of 203 (940 views)
Shortcut
Ya know... [In reply to] Can't Post

I know they're not going to choose Elijah because of the Frodo connection, but he was also my first thought when considering Bilbo. I also have a way around having Frodo as Bilbo. I'll indulge myself here, if you don't mind ;)

In the film, Bilbo is telling the story of his adventure to a group of hobbit-kiddies just as he did in FotR. In cameos, off to one side sit Sam, Merry, Pippin and Frodo smiling and listening in. Remember in Rivendell when Frodo was looking at the Red Book with Bilbo and he said he was pretending to be off with Bilbo on one of his adventures? Well, why not have Frodo listening to Bilbo's tale and fade off as he literally DOES imagine himself on this adventure?

I know, I know... it's a silly idea and all. But it's fun to play with the what-ifs and try to get our former LotR players in on this new project!




sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


Mishka
The Shire


Jan 8 2008, 12:24pm

Post #47 of 203 (914 views)
Shortcut
Do you tink they will create a female role for Hobbit? [In reply to] Can't Post

Since there is no female character in the Hobbit, I wonder if they will create one?


kareniel
Lorien

Jan 8 2008, 12:25pm

Post #48 of 203 (868 views)
Shortcut
Oh yeah! I agree! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


kareniel
Lorien

Jan 8 2008, 12:31pm

Post #49 of 203 (974 views)
Shortcut
Martin Shaw for Smaug? [In reply to] Can't Post

He does a great job of adjusting his intonations for different characters in The Silmarillion recording. I bet he could do a wonderful Smaug.


deej
Tol Eressea


Jan 8 2008, 12:48pm

Post #50 of 203 (881 views)
Shortcut
Keith Richards as a Ringwraith [In reply to] Can't Post

Well, it wouldn't be much of a stretch - I don't think he's either living or dead at this point. Wink

The Hobbit is Happening!


Bilbo Fans for Martin Freeman!


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 8 2008, 12:49pm

Post #51 of 203 (911 views)
Shortcut
Unless they're all 6' to 6'4 [In reply to] Can't Post

which would make the scale 5' 10" ish hobbit scale-accurate. Perlman, Davies (possibly), Fry are all big boys... I think a 6 ft plus crop of players would do the trick!



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 8 2008, 12:54pm

Post #52 of 203 (895 views)
Shortcut
Admitedly, that's a great way to go [In reply to] Can't Post

I wasn't aware of who Ian McKellen, Sean Bean and Viggo Mortensen were before LotR (not to mention Orlando, Billy, and Dom), and now they're forever those Middle-earth souls brought to life. I agree that a little-known or invisible cast of players would be wise.

Peter and Fran did an amazing job casting these films all down the line... so trusting their choices here isn't a scary thing to do ;) Actually, it's quite freakin exciting!! *geek-surge*

This is gonna be great!!!

*twitch*



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 8 2008, 12:55pm

Post #53 of 203 (897 views)
Shortcut
All you insightful, [In reply to] Can't Post

intuitive, genius types all think alike... and thank Goodness you're all RIGHT HERE!!! *high five* You're quality, m'dear :)



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 8 2008, 12:57pm

Post #54 of 203 (884 views)
Shortcut
I'll bet [In reply to] Can't Post

after seeing how the films were handled, he'd be more interested being assured it'll be a quality production. That would be great!



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 8 2008, 12:58pm

Post #55 of 203 (866 views)
Shortcut
Wow! Go GT!! :D // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 8 2008, 1:01pm

Post #56 of 203 (876 views)
Shortcut
Bwahaha! [In reply to] Can't Post

Suffers with the rest:

Rickman sounds like Rickman
Davies sounds like Davies
Jones sounds like Vader

*tsk tsk* That which makes them qualified defeats them!

bummer



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 8 2008, 1:08pm

Post #57 of 203 (864 views)
Shortcut
or Smaug? ;) [In reply to] Can't Post

He's got the voice, but I'd have trouble getting used to the slurred speech ;)



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 8 2008, 1:11pm

Post #58 of 203 (886 views)
Shortcut
Fishburne... yeah! [In reply to] Can't Post

He's got great voice and stature! Or the gent I STILL can't remember the name of from the film 300. Big, Beorn-esque guy!



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


Sunflower
Valinor

Jan 8 2008, 1:14pm

Post #59 of 203 (845 views)
Shortcut
As an aside.... [In reply to] Can't Post

Just to pop in here A-O....

Bono "at his current heft".

OuchCrazyWink

I agree, apparently Mr. Hewson didn't follow his usual swimming routine at his home off the south of France this summer, and it shows. He's gonna have to do some serious working out to get back in tour shape this year (and don't worry, he'll do it! His ego's involved....Ali must be spoiling him rotten...:)

But he's still my B. anyway.Heart

Glad to see another fan here:).

(Geez, I hope this shows up in the right place---I'm back in "flat/threaded mode confusion again)Crazy

If not, excuse me folks

EDIT: apparently not. I tried hitting "reply" button in A-O's post and replying that way (which I not what I usually do) .

I think I'd better bow out of here for a while.....


(This post was edited by Sunflower on Jan 8 2008, 1:18pm)


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 8 2008, 1:22pm

Post #60 of 203 (875 views)
Shortcut
I've been thinking [In reply to] Can't Post

of 6' plus players to build our company of dwarves (to answer scale/Frodo issues), and Robbie Coltane would definitely fit that! Isn't Gleeson also over 6'? He's fantastic!

So dwarves:

Ron Perlman
Brendan Gleeson
Robbie Coltane
John Rhys Davies (they must have addressed allergic reaction alternatives by now)
Stephen Fry
Lawrence Fishburne?


*snigger* I know there are some sleeping giants out there unrecognized by us... but it's easier to hook an identifiable face to the characters right now ;)



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 8 2008, 1:30pm

Post #61 of 203 (872 views)
Shortcut
I think it's imperative Holm be in on this [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm with you on that! Ever since playing Frodo on the BBC radio adaptation in the 1980s, he's been one of the common threads of the story's evolution for me. It's been suggested he could be narrator for the film as he reflects on the journey in Rivendell or tells the story to hobbit children.

Hearing his energy and force as the nasty chef in Ratatoulli, I don't think his age would keep him from playing pre-Fellowship-arriving-in-Rivendell Bilbo.



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 8 2008, 1:34pm

Post #62 of 203 (859 views)
Shortcut
The neat thing about Perlman [In reply to] Can't Post

is that his most notable roles had him in makeup (Beauty and the Beast/Hellboy), so it's not such a reach to get past his appearance as Thorin (Perfect Choice, imho)! He also satisfies the 6 degrees of Elijah game since he played Wood's Pa in his Huckleberry Finn movie.



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 8 2008, 1:38pm

Post #63 of 203 (871 views)
Shortcut
Lobelia is prowling about [In reply to] Can't Post

when Bilbo returns, but you're right that the ladies are lacking.

Actually, could it be that one or more of the dwarves could be pulling a Dernhelm and posing as a he-dwarf? The bearded dwarf-women may be hard to spot!



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jan 8 2008, 1:52pm

Post #64 of 203 (850 views)
Shortcut
Oh! Gramma [In reply to] Can't Post

Have you seen the Costume Notes RE: Thorin's Company thread here in Movies? The discussion has veered off in the matter of female dwarves Wink Though I haven't contributed to that thread, I've been reading it with much pleasure. Some pretty good insights/speculation in there.



entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jan 8 2008, 2:16pm

Post #65 of 203 (917 views)
Shortcut
Other than Martin Freeman for Bilbo [In reply to] Can't Post

none of the new choices resonate with me. I would like to see Ian McKellen, Andy Serkis and Hugo Weaving reprise their roles, but I don't want to shoe-horn in the other cast members from LOTR unless there's a role for them that makes sense for the story. I'm concerned that trying to recreate the LOTR movies with the same cast members will compromise The Hobbit movie. Having a good movie is more important to me than revisiting the magic of the LOTR experience, as wonderful as it was.

It seems like much of the speculation so far is too focused on well-known actors, and that makes some sense since most of us don't know the movie industry well enough to be aware of lesser-known actors. It helps pass the time until some real news begins to emerge.

I think we tend to forget how slowly real news is available in this waiting time. I wasn't around before the first movie was released, but I do remember the time between the movies, and weeks would go by when we were forced to make something out of essentially nothing. We don't even have a director yet for The Hobbit!

Each cloak was fastened about the neck with a brooch like a green leaf veined with silver.
`Are these magic cloaks?' asked Pippin, looking at them with wonder.
`I do not know what you mean by that,' answered the leader of the Elves.


NARF since 1974.
Balin Bows


deej
Tol Eressea


Jan 8 2008, 3:40pm

Post #66 of 203 (853 views)
Shortcut
It is a little premature [In reply to] Can't Post

...to think about cast right now, since there isn't even a script or director yet. And with the writers strike still going on, it may be a while before we see either.

But it's still fun, and I guess it gives us all something to do while we wait! Wink

The Hobbit is Happening!


Bilbo Fans for Martin Freeman!


Elberbeth
Tol Eressea


Jan 8 2008, 4:05pm

Post #67 of 203 (863 views)
Shortcut
I'd like to see Jonathan Pryce as one of the dwarves [In reply to] Can't Post

he had that sort of hang-dog face that you see in some of the illustrations. Add a beard, and presto!

"There are some things that it is better to begin than to refuse, even though the end may be dark."


BuckyUnderbelly
Lorien


Jan 8 2008, 4:20pm

Post #68 of 203 (858 views)
Shortcut
This is fun! [In reply to] Can't Post

I really like that Martin Freeman fella. I think he'd be a swell choice! And most importantly, he's not overexposed to the world movie-going public. I loved that many of the LOTR actors felt like new discoveries to me. While some were vaguely familiar, the lack of big-name movie stars really helped keep me immersed in Middle Earth and kept me from playing Spot-the-Celebrity.

I also expect filling the cast with small-ish names and undiscovered talents also helped keep their already stratospheric budget down a bit. (In fact, they were somewhat famously underpaid, as you know.)

Futhermore, when you avoid Hollywood's A-list talent, you also can avoid Hollywood's A-list egos that come along with them. (For instance, while I often enjoy his acting work, I just can't imagine somebody like Russell Crowe keeping his famously petulant temper in check.) When you populate your movie with character actors and actors with theater-heavy backgrounds -- you're more likely to have a cast of well-grounded troopers -- a cast that's going to behave like pros, even if the shooting conditions get nasty. They're more likely to mesh as a team and less likely to fly off into diva tantrums and hide in their trailers.

So I'd love to see some new discovery in the Bard role.

As for Thorin, I'm a big Brendan Gleeson fan. I think he'd be terrific. Though I also really dig Perlman. Maybe we could have both. It's been noted on the boards that Balin is actually a pretty influential character in the book and his role could be expanded in the film.


But how about a few other names I haven't heard much of on these boards yet ...

Thranduil -- Sam Neill
Radagast -- Christopher Plummer

(Plummer would be swell as Smaug's voice, too!)


"In Hollywood the screenplay is a fire hydrant. And there's a line of dogs around the block." -- Frank Miller


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 8 2008, 4:35pm

Post #69 of 203 (845 views)
Shortcut
Thanks! :D zzzooooommmm! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


_V_
Lorien


Jan 8 2008, 4:50pm

Post #70 of 203 (829 views)
Shortcut
Wayne Pygram for Smaug [In reply to] Can't Post

Wayne Pygram, Farscape's Scorpius, should be Smaug


I found a 10 minute interview with Pygram on YouTube which shows lots of clips of Scorpius and the range of his voice and stuff: please watch the whole thing start to finish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldUqV6gceeM&feature=related



deej
Tol Eressea


Jan 8 2008, 4:59pm

Post #71 of 203 (856 views)
Shortcut
Big Name vs. No-Name Actors/Actresses [In reply to] Can't Post

I do agree that at times it can be distracting to see a well-known actor playing a favorite character - one exception I can think of is Gary Oldman, who can disappear completely into a role. Someone like Tom Cruise - well, everytime I see him all I see is "Tom Cruise", not the character he's playing.

Some of the actors mentioned are internationally known, like Clive Owen, and I can see why people would be hesitant to cast him in the movie. In the case of Martin Freeman, though, although he may be well-known in Britain, I don't think he's that big of a name here in the States (not sure about the rest of the world) - other than 'The Office', his most well-known role would probably be Arthur Dent in 'Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy', and I could be wrong but I don't think that was very successful here.

The Hobbit is Happening!


Bilbo Fans for Martin Freeman!


(This post was edited by deej on Jan 8 2008, 5:01pm)


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Jan 8 2008, 6:56pm

Post #72 of 203 (909 views)
Shortcut
Macfadyen is worth checking out [In reply to] Can't Post

in the NZ film In My Father's Den - which coincidentally also features a very fragile Miranda Otto.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


Ataahua's stories


Bilbo the Rover
The Shire


Jan 8 2008, 6:58pm

Post #73 of 203 (887 views)
Shortcut
Mighty Thorin [In reply to] Can't Post

I think either James Cosmo or Brendan Gleeson would be better choices for the role of Thorin Oakenshield than Ron Perlman, my two cents.....

Photobucket


Haltiamieli
Registered User

Jan 8 2008, 7:34pm

Post #74 of 203 (818 views)
Shortcut
Some random thoughts and comments [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm all for Martin Freeman as Bilbo! He absolutely has the looks, and ain't a bad actor.

As much as I like Perlman (especially in The City of Lost Children), he's more Bolg to me than Thorin.
Actually... he might be pretty darn good Bolg? They do need a good goblin chief for the Battle of Five Armies, faceless mass of orcs wouldn't be that menacing without a prominent leader, and Perlman would be great and unique, easily told apart from Lurtz and Gothmog and other orc-leads in the LotR; he would be his own memorable character. The King of Gundabad!

Of all the people mentioned, I might pick Jack Davenport for the role of Bard. Not ideal, but would pass. I think Bard's defining characteristic is his broodiness and darkness versus his nobility. Both of this can be seen in Davenport. Many of the people mentioned are much too wide-faced or barbarians or Viggo-wannabes. In fact, the casting people should do all they can to differentiate Bard actor, who ever the cast, from Viggo. For example no rugged look, stubble etc. - he is not a ranger of the woods, his in the town guard of a merchant town! And he's the Bowman, he doesn't have to have the muscles of Schwartzenegger.


BuckyUnderbelly
Lorien


Jan 8 2008, 7:39pm

Post #75 of 203 (822 views)
Shortcut
How will Smaug be done ... technically? [In reply to] Can't Post

Because that may be very important to the casting. If they choose to create Smaug's performance through motion capture ... as they did with Gollum ... then perhaps this takes some of the older actors out of contention due to the physical demands of the role. (Remember way back when ... when it was thought that Gollum would be a voice-only role for Serkis?)

Course, I suppose they could have one actor do the voice and another actor pack themselves into the mo-cap suit. If they go the mo-cap route, of course. (And as I understand the technology, it wouldn't necessarily matter that the dragon wouldn't have the same physical proportions as a human. The computer can translate the actor's movements into whatever digital body they design.)

After all, it would seem to me that PJ & Co. would want a character this important to be at least partly actor-driven. Just like Gollum.

What think?


"In Hollywood the screenplay is a fire hydrant. And there's a line of dogs around the block." -- Frank Miller

(This post was edited by BuckyUnderbelly on Jan 8 2008, 7:45pm)


Haltiamieli
Registered User

Jan 8 2008, 7:46pm

Post #76 of 203 (1137 views)
Shortcut
Motion-captured Smaug [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't think Smaug would be very demanding role physically even if done by motion-capture. No human could ever act flying convincingly anyway ;) Moving slowly and menacingly on his treasure bed shouldn't be too hard, nor even the few bursts of fiery outrage.


renzn
Bree

Jan 8 2008, 8:55pm

Post #77 of 203 (1119 views)
Shortcut
Here's 2 cents for your thoughts [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm a fan of J.R.R. Tolkien's work. I've really enjoyed the movie renditions of the books. I’m a fan of personalities more than just acting and for that reason I’ve chosen your post to respond to over all the others. I very much agree with you on James Cosmo or Brian Cox as Thorin. Both played in Braveheart and both are quite rough in appearance and gruff/gravely in the sounds of their voices. Your choice of Julian Sands is unique to me at least and with this choice I can’t think of anyone better. He has the control of voice while acting. He has the brooding eyebrows and an intellectual and caring face like one would assume an Elvish leader would have. He’s acted with blonde hair before and appears to have the right, light complexion, similar to the elves shown in the recent movies. I have my own choices for other roles, but you’re spot on with these ones. Good job. Now figure out who’ll be the other dwarves. Don’t the pairs need to resemble each other, such as Dori and Nori…Fili and Kili? I think this’ll be the toughest part to cast.


BuckyUnderbelly
Lorien


Jan 8 2008, 9:33pm

Post #78 of 203 (1114 views)
Shortcut
True! [In reply to] Can't Post

But that Christopher Plummer is so good ... I expect he could probably fly in real life! Tongue

I'm amused at the idea of somebody with the gravitas and dignfied bearing of a James Earl Jones ... slinking about on a little green platform ... while wearing a skin-tight leotard dotted with tiny ping-pong balls! Hilarious!


"In Hollywood the screenplay is a fire hydrant. And there's a line of dogs around the block." -- Frank Miller

(This post was edited by BuckyUnderbelly on Jan 8 2008, 9:33pm)


Anthronaut
Registered User

Jan 8 2008, 10:14pm

Post #79 of 203 (1116 views)
Shortcut
Ian Holm [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandalf clearly states in The Fellowship of the Ring to Bilbo..."You haven't aged a day..." inferring that he hadn't aged a day since their last adventure. I think Ian Holm will be used for Bilbo or at least should be. He hasn't aged that much since LOTR's not to use him...never know. :)


Reed Rothchild
The Shire

Jan 8 2008, 10:22pm

Post #80 of 203 (1110 views)
Shortcut
Is it just me?..... [In reply to] Can't Post

Is it just me or does that picture of Martin Freeman look just like Topher Grace? haha... That's funny.


Haltiamieli
Registered User

Jan 8 2008, 10:37pm

Post #81 of 203 (1082 views)
Shortcut
Bilbo's aging [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
Gandalf clearly states in The Fellowship of the Ring to Bilbo..."You haven't aged a day..." inferring that he hadn't aged a day since their last adventure.

I wouldn't say it's that clear Gandalf means to say that Bilbo hasn't "aged a day" since their last adventure. Evidently Gandalf visited the Shire at least a few times quite recently before Bilbo's party (for once, Frodo recognizes him), and surely has seen Bilbo too. "Not aged a day" might so refer to much shorter time period than sixty years. And Gollum didn't stay completely as he was while he kept the ring, nor did the Ringwraiths with their Nine. The Ring did keep one from dying surely and evidently also prolonged one's "biological years" much. But it didn't halt time completely; just slowered and twisted.

And besides, wouldn't it be even a bit unethical to put a eighty-years-old veteran on a action-packed leading role of an adventure film? :P


renzn
Bree

Jan 8 2008, 10:46pm

Post #82 of 203 (1111 views)
Shortcut
Dwarves and Trolls [In reply to] Can't Post

You’re pretty good at choosing persons to portray characters. Everyone seems to be focused on the lead roles. Why don’t you apply your thoughts to who’ll play the charismatic, helpful, playful, and loyal brothers Fili and Kili? Remember that they need to somewhat resemble their uncle Thorin and that the one is older than the other by 5 years. Some have mentioned who’ll play Bombur only because he’s loveable and chubby. What about the others? There has to be a relationship between them all, so come up with some supporting and interesting people to play the other roles.

Shouldn’t the person that plays Gloin resemble Gimli a bit? Who’ll play him?

We’ve all seen the animated Hobbit movie where the trolls Tom, Bert, and Bill spoke with Cockney accents while debating on how to have their food. They’re enormous, brutish, and a few cards short of a deck. Who should play them?

Who’ll be the voices of the Spiders of Mirkwood? Will it be Fran Dresher and Cindy Lauper? Their voices would drive me nuts, but would be hilarious and can sound wicked. This could be a way for the film team to bring additional humor to the tale.

Who’ll be the wicked “Master of Lake-town? This guy wasn’t completely evil, but he ran off with the money meant for rebuilding the town. Who appears like a town mayor, but is shallow in inner character? This character might not even be portrayed as Tom Bombadil never had his day in the sun, but just keep searching because the others within this string seem a bit too focused.


SandWitch King
Rohan


Jan 8 2008, 10:59pm

Post #83 of 203 (1055 views)
Shortcut
Ask Mr. Balrog [In reply to] Can't Post

Nobody did mo-cap for him.

The animators are quite adept at figuring out how fantastical creatures move and if they don't get dragon performance right, who is there to say so?

Mo-cap for humans (humanoids) is important because when it is fake, we can immediately see the difference.

I wish my name was "Barrow Wong". Maybe I should change it. And now for my quote:

"Please note, we have added a consequence for failure. Any contact with the chamber floor will result in an unsatisfactory mark on your official testing record, followed by death. Good luck."


nimthiriel
The Shire


Jan 8 2008, 11:01pm

Post #84 of 203 (1067 views)
Shortcut
not just you, hahahaha [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes, he does look like an older Topher
hahahahaha

I´m reading and learning from all your movie knowledge!!!
this is fun!!!
I think I´m going to have a look at all this actors before I give my opinion...
in the meantime...Say No to Bowie!!!!! :)

p.s: I hope I replied well:)


entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jan 8 2008, 11:10pm

Post #85 of 203 (1096 views)
Shortcut
Your response was fine [In reply to] Can't Post

Look forward to your casting choices. And I agree - no Bowie for Thranduil.

Each cloak was fastened about the neck with a brooch like a green leaf veined with silver.
`Are these magic cloaks?' asked Pippin, looking at them with wonder.
`I do not know what you mean by that,' answered the leader of the Elves.


NARF since 1974.
Balin Bows


Oden
Rivendell


Jan 8 2008, 11:11pm

Post #86 of 203 (1102 views)
Shortcut
Brian Blessed would fit [In reply to] Can't Post

in the role of Thorin and maybe even Beorn.

How about his voice for Smaug?


SandWitch King
Rohan


Jan 8 2008, 11:12pm

Post #87 of 203 (1149 views)
Shortcut
There were some very known quantities in LOTR [In reply to] Can't Post

Liv Tyler, Sean Bean, Sean Astin, Ian McKellen, Kate Blanchette and J.Rhy-Davies (at least) were all well known. The studio not only wants viewers to recognize faces, but the studio (and directors and casting agents for that matter) want to know these people are reliable and professional and solid.

It is true that a lot of people here didn't know a lot of the actors cast. It isn't true that the studios didn't.

Billy Boyd, Orlando Bloom and Dominic Monaghan were really virtually strangers to the movie business. Jackson's casting people deserve a lot of credit for finding those folks.

New Line and MGM will want some names/faces in the movie. Nobody will want or allow a cast full of Blooms and Boyds.

I wish my name was "Barrow Wong". Maybe I should change it. And now for my quote:

"Please note, we have added a consequence for failure. Any contact with the chamber floor will result in an unsatisfactory mark on your official testing record, followed by death. Good luck."


BuckyUnderbelly
Lorien


Jan 8 2008, 11:33pm

Post #88 of 203 (1053 views)
Shortcut
Very true. [In reply to] Can't Post

However, Smaug has quite a lot of dialogue. He needs to give more of a "performance" than the Balrog or the cave troll. I expect they may at least consider mo-capping the face of the actor if not the whole body. Especially since the mo-cap technology has come a long way just in the few years since Gollum.

Certainly it's not necessary to use mo-cap ... but knowing Jackson's proclivity for actor-driven CG characters ... I'm betting there's a good chance he'll want to use it again.

Personally, I don't really care which way they go ... because Smaug is going to look amazing whatever they do!


"In Hollywood the screenplay is a fire hydrant. And there's a line of dogs around the block." -- Frank Miller


Ryukan
Registered User

Jan 8 2008, 11:42pm

Post #89 of 203 (1046 views)
Shortcut
More random thoughts on actor/character matches [In reply to] Can't Post

The author of the article on character/actor speculation for mentioned Jeremy Irons for Smaug...that choice just seems perfect for me. Jeremy Irons has a great vocie and is a fantastic actor...I can even see his face being used as a mo-cap for Smaug. And Martin Freeman is a good suggestion also...best idea for Bilbo Baggins and some of his mannerisms of the Arthur Dent character he played in The Hitchiker's Guide to the Universe could almost be applied to Bilbo as he seems in the early parts of the Hobbit, especially when Gandalf and the dwarves begin arriving at his home. I would like to see Brendan Gleeson as Beorn...give him a huge beard and dye it and his hair black and there you have it, Beorn.


Darkstone
Immortal


Jan 8 2008, 11:58pm

Post #90 of 203 (1051 views)
Shortcut
Well [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo: William H. Macy

Gandalf: Clint Eastwood

Thorin Oakenshield: Ben Kingsley

The Dwarves: Deep Roy

The Trolls: Chevy Chase, Steve Martin, and Martin Short

The Great Goblin: David Bowie

Beorn: Liam Neeson

King Thranduil: Stellan Skarsgård

Bard the Bowman: Joseph Fiennes

Smaug: Eartha Kitt

******************************************
The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



MrCere
Sr. Staff


Jan 9 2008, 12:09am

Post #91 of 203 (1044 views)
Shortcut
I believe in the best actors [In reply to] Can't Post

I think the accent can be acted.

I am less worried about being accurate to the letter about Smaug and more concerned that he 'feel' right for a movie viewer, which I realize is going to make some folks crazy.

He should feel aged but not old (meaning not decrepit or tired or worn out).

He should sound a little in-human.

He should sound powerful.

He should sound as if his rage is barely in check. He is after all the destroyer of kingdoms and races and soon after he talks to Bilgo, lakes cities as well.

He should sound dangerous.

Your question is VERY good but I must go catch a train but would later love to read other thoughts on it.

The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie


hobbitgoddess
The Shire


Jan 9 2008, 12:30am

Post #92 of 203 (1027 views)
Shortcut
Good guestions.. . [In reply to] Can't Post

Fili and Kili I have been thinking about and am looking for actors who resemble what myself and one of my teachers think they should look like. And since I don't know many actors, I ill have to crack down on the movies two. I wish I could remember names...and movie names...

But as for how they would look. I know how I picture them is way off. 20's would not work with Tolkien. But thats what my mind has settled on. I need the films to get that out.

Bombur, though I hate to say it , I pictured someone like Robbie Coltrane. This was before I saw Harry Potter. So unless they put just as much make-up on him as they did John (which I think I've heard they are cutting back on that) it will be a "Hey look! Hagrid!" case. He would still work though. They're are way too many Harry Potter actors suggestions. It's crazy.

For the trolls, I have another idea that has stuck, and that would be the animated version voices. Can't help it. Saw the movie before reading the book, and watched it as many times (before reading the book). But I think that works. Or a Norwegian accent dumbed down. I don't picture any kind of troll as smart. They would be a step up from the LOTR trolls. in the evolution line. And more bullish (for lack of a better word). LOTR trolls, feel sorry for them. These trolls you can't.
And! One thing thats been going through my mind is will they keep the same design from LOTR? We only saw a little bit of them, but thats enough to leave an impression on the people. At least to me.

The spiders are tough. Theres always the generic hissing hazy voice they use for spiders. That wouldn't work with these guys. It's just doesn't feel like Tolkien.

Forgot about the Mayor. But thats why I'm rereading. Get back to you on him. And I don't think they'd take him out. He is in Laketown. Tom was a random stop. Then again it is Hollywood. If they had it their way, the mayor would run off with some girl and come back to be with Bard and get busy. Or some screwed up romance would be in there.

Also, if they are doing a before-LOTR movie, then will the Viggo be coming back?

Have you hugged your hobbit today?

For pony


fmaximus
Rivendell


Jan 9 2008, 1:00am

Post #93 of 203 (1004 views)
Shortcut
Glorfindel ?? [In reply to] Can't Post

Nobody's mentioned Glorfindel that I know of, which surprises me as he is one of the more popular Elves that was alive during this time.
He has to be in at least one of the films, especially since he was left out of the trilogy.

Who's with me on this one Smile


Oh, I almost forgot.

Jonathan Rhys-Meyers would make a good Glorfindel IMO.


(This post was edited by fmaximus on Jan 9 2008, 1:04am)


Annael
Half-elven


Jan 9 2008, 1:22am

Post #94 of 203 (1004 views)
Shortcut
Kevin McKidd! [In reply to] Can't Post

how did I forget him? Great choice for Bard.

And Ray Stevenson for Beorn???

David Warner for Smaug would be good too, but Robert Lindsay's got a deeper voice.


To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.

- William Blake
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
NARF and member of Deplorable Cultus since 1967


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 9 2008, 1:42am

Post #95 of 203 (1046 views)
Shortcut
Blooming Boyds? [In reply to] Can't Post

What blew my mind is how many films I'd seen McKellen, Mortensen, Tyler, and Blanchette in, but never really noticed them until LotR. I hadn't seen the Beanster around, either... and I consider myself a pretty serious movie-watcher. JRD, Ian Holm, Sean Astin and Elijah were well-known to me, and they're the ones I have to keep pushing my familiarity to the back of my brain. For that reason alone, tested and talented players that are not so well-known work best for my obsessive tendencies ;)



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


Compa_Mighty
Tol Eressea


Jan 9 2008, 3:30am

Post #96 of 203 (998 views)
Shortcut
Figurative speech [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
Gandalf clearly states in The Fellowship of the Ring to Bilbo..."You haven't aged a day..." inferring that he hadn't aged a day since their last adventure. I think Ian Holm will be used for Bilbo or at least should be. He hasn't aged that much since LOTR's not to use him...never know. :)


Bilbo has clearly aged. It's just a figurative expression to say how well conserved he is.

Let it be heard! We want Jackson to direct The Hobbit!

Essay winner of the Show us your Hobbit Pride Giveway!


Anthronaut
Registered User

Jan 9 2008, 4:30am

Post #97 of 203 (1048 views)
Shortcut
Ian Holm [In reply to] Can't Post

I disagree because Gandalf appears surprised when he says it. Also there is a scene already in the movies of Ian Holm as Bilbo finding the One Ring while Gollum screams...Looooosssttt...my precious is lost.



In Reply To

In Reply To
Gandalf clearly states in The Fellowship of the Ring to Bilbo..."You haven't aged a day..." inferring that he hadn't aged a day since their last adventure. I think Ian Holm will be used for Bilbo or at least should be. He hasn't aged that much since LOTR's not to use him...never know. :)


Bilbo has clearly aged. It's just a figurative expression to say how well conserved he is.



N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Jan 9 2008, 5:36am

Post #98 of 203 (975 views)
Shortcut
Do the Trolls toss Bilbo into a singing bush? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
We're discussing The Lord of the Rings in the Reading Room, Oct. 15, 2007 - Mar. 22, 2009!

Join us Jan. 7-13 for "Strider".


N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Jan 9 2008, 5:40am

Post #99 of 203 (984 views)
Shortcut
Wait a minute. [In reply to] Can't Post

Whoa... déjà vu.

Sorry, didn't mean to be a "johnny one-note", to use Silverlode's term.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
We're discussing The Lord of the Rings in the Reading Room, Oct. 15, 2007 - Mar. 22, 2009!

Join us Jan. 7-13 for "Strider".


Finding Frodo
Tol Eressea


Jan 9 2008, 6:07am

Post #100 of 203 (986 views)
Shortcut
I have to say it [In reply to] Can't Post

Welcome to all the newbies! Holy cow, there's a lot of names I don't recognize. I look forward to getting to know you all better!

Where's Frodo?


tattooed_dwarf
Rivendell


Jan 9 2008, 6:55am

Post #101 of 203 (637 views)
Shortcut
Dwarves.. [In reply to] Can't Post

Lets just hope they make some of the dwarves more serious, I would hate to watch all of them being just for comedy.


N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Jan 9 2008, 7:03am

Post #102 of 203 (619 views)
Shortcut
More serious than what? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
We're discussing The Lord of the Rings in the Reading Room, Oct. 15, 2007 - Mar. 22, 2009!

Join us Jan. 7-13 for "Strider".


MGJC
Registered User

Jan 9 2008, 7:20am

Post #103 of 203 (639 views)
Shortcut
Voice of Smaug = Clancy Brown (The perfect choice) [In reply to] Can't Post

Using his "Brother Justin" voice (a la Carnivale)


tattooed_dwarf
Rivendell


Jan 9 2008, 7:49am

Post #104 of 203 (658 views)
Shortcut
More serius than [In reply to] Can't Post

GIMLI


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 9 2008, 11:09am

Post #105 of 203 (652 views)
Shortcut
Agreed [In reply to] Can't Post

The big "stars" really don't belong in these films, imho. Gary Oldman. I just love this guy! He's magnificent in everything I've seen of his, and he's such a chameleon! I have to say his role as Sirius is my favourite... and as the ultimate baddie in The Fifth Element.

I'd love to see him somewhere in these projects...



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 9 2008, 11:17am

Post #106 of 203 (616 views)
Shortcut
That's my take on it, too [In reply to] Can't Post

It's also an exposition set-up for the story line as to the effect of the Ring on Bilbo. In the film (and book), he hasn't aged as much as he should have in a normal hobbity aging process.



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 9 2008, 11:22am

Post #107 of 203 (604 views)
Shortcut
Ooo! Good choice! [In reply to] Can't Post

Or as one of the dwarves!



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


JRandomRohirrim
Rohan


Jan 9 2008, 2:05pm

Post #108 of 203 (615 views)
Shortcut
Except that's not a British-sounding voice [In reply to] Can't Post

Deep, sure.


It's Official! Jackson to Produce The Hobbit! Woot! Woot!


songshield
Registered User

Jan 9 2008, 3:43pm

Post #109 of 203 (599 views)
Shortcut
Wow, good thought! [In reply to] Can't Post

While I am still in the Toby Stephens camp, I've got to say that Kevin McKidd is an excellent, under-the-radar choice. The problem we Yanks have is that we don't get enough exposure to good, stage-trained actors, not the way the Brits do. They get to see them in well-acted TV movies on ITV and BBC, and in theatre (which you only see here if you live within 50 miles of NYC). I would guess that most people on this site, let alone in the states, haven't seen Kevin's work, since not everyone gets HBO ("Rome") or has seen his series, "Journeyman." So all you folks who live in the UK, Australia and NZ, please keep those under-exposed suggestions coming (you may be dealing with an American director and lots of American executives)!


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 9 2008, 3:54pm

Post #110 of 203 (624 views)
Shortcut
I've always seen Bard as a pre-lude to Strider/Aragorn. [In reply to] Can't Post

They both have the "outsider" yet devoted to their people personna, both were torn from their birthplace/right due to war (a generalization), both are good at parlays, both are men of integrity and have strong leadership qualities and ultimately do become leaders. I won't be surprised to find that someone who is very Viggo/Aragorn-like to be cast if those making the decisions are seeing the same similaries.



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 9 2008, 4:00pm

Post #111 of 203 (598 views)
Shortcut
After seeing Weta's work on King Kong [In reply to] Can't Post

I would agree that motion capture could be the way to go. However, the Balrog (now 6-7 years old) and cave trolls are very effective and technology has advanced since Weta did that work. Kong's t-rex and other dinos are also very effective.

I'm thinking the greatest concern will be to capture the right voice. I wonder if Paul Ruebens is busy?



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


BuckyUnderbelly
Lorien


Jan 9 2008, 4:50pm

Post #112 of 203 (587 views)
Shortcut
Absolutely! [In reply to] Can't Post

Of course we need somebody amazing for the vocal work! Yes, yes, yes! That's job A-1, for sure! Smile

But once they've got the ideal voice actor signed on the dotted line ... I'm betting they'll use motion capture to really let that actor drive the performance. Even if they just use it on his face. The Balrog and trolls certainly still shine as fully realized characters ... (I think Kong's T-Rexes were at least partially done with mo-cap) ... but I think the main difference would be that Smaug has so much dialogue. If he was just a roaring monster, then I bet PJ would be perfectly happy with straight animation. But since Smaug's got such a specific personality and point of view ... it would seem like a waste to not take advantage of the actor's total performance.

Sure, it's absolutely not necessary ... but it's just that kind of "extra mile" approach that I've come to expect from PJ & Co.!


Paul Ruebens? You mean Pee-Wee Herman? Zoiks! Tongue


"In Hollywood the screenplay is a fire hydrant. And there's a line of dogs around the block." -- Frank Miller


daehl
Registered User

Jan 9 2008, 5:38pm

Post #113 of 203 (600 views)
Shortcut
Tommy Lee Jones for Smaug!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

Watching the Rankin & Bass version of the Hobbit in the 70's is what got me started reading Tolkien when I was in grade school. Even today, I think that version holds up as a masterpiece of animation--not to mention the inspired voice work and musical soundtrack. Richard Boone was an absolute perfect choice for the voice of Smaug. And in my opinion, I would love the upcoming movie to have a similarly gruff and gravelly voice with touch of playfullness but mostly overbearing and commanding. The first celebrity that popped into my head was Tommy Lee Jones. I think he could pull it off beautifully. And from what I understand, his personality in real life is similar to Smaug, so it might be the perfect match!

I do not want to hear a dragon with perfect diction or a british accent. That would be totally horrendous... His voice should make you want to take cover. Tommy could pull that off!

Clancy Brown would definitely be my second choice though.


(This post was edited by daehl on Jan 9 2008, 5:42pm)


renzn
Bree

Jan 9 2008, 5:56pm

Post #114 of 203 (560 views)
Shortcut
Voices [In reply to] Can't Post

Smaug will talk, the spiders should speak (as they did in the animated story), and possibly the thrush should have an audible voice. You've chosen Tommy Lee Jones for Smaug and I agree that I like his voice style for similar reasons to yours. I like actors with character, but am unable to come up with names like most of you others do, so I’m curious who you believe should play the voices of the spiders and thrush; additionally and more importantly for my curiosity, who, in your opinion should play the Great Goblin? He was a huge being with a big head. He was their chieftain so he has to be overbearing to overshadow the seemingly ruthlessness of the other orcs. He also must be able to show incredible rage because he leaps to attack Thorin after hearing that he carries Orcrist/Biter.

What are your thoughts?


renzn
Bree

Jan 9 2008, 7:58pm

Post #115 of 203 (582 views)
Shortcut
Legion of Dwarves, fully armed and filthy [In reply to] Can't Post

Thorin, heir and leader, embattled by memories of the death of his people and bent solely on avenging the loss of his people and kingdom. Distrustful of outsiders deemed inept and must posses a warriors quick temper as he’s descendant of two warring relatives and had feverishly fought in the battle of Azanulbizar and the Battle of 5 Armies. He’s greedy and struggles to readily accept the advice of Gandalf. This dwarf shows true guts when he sets aside his rage and greed to recognize that true value resides with an inner good and peaceful spirit. Who should play him?

Oin II, elder brother of Gloin, earthy and able to work with his hands capable of fire building and metal working. He must be a grim fighter in his own right as he survived the Battle of 5 Armies. Be careful on this choice as this character is also a bit shy. Who should play him?

Gloin, pops of Gimli, survivor of Azanulbizar, Battle of 5 Armies, and attended of the Council of Elrond. This guy is distrustful of Bilbo at the inset and must have taught Gimli to distrust Elves. His name apparently means “glow”, so I’m guessing this has to be a character with lots of energy, but should be able to be composed and diplomatic as he was instructed to go as representation of Dain's kingdom. Who should play him?

Dain II, heir, leader, and eventual king of the Lonely Mountain. This fella wielded a red axe and like his cousin Thorin was a survivor of the Battle of Azanulbizar and the Battle of 5 Armies (even though Thorin perished). This is a person bent toward vengeance equally as much as his cousin. He lopped of the head of Azog who had earlier killed his father. Although distrustful and willing to war with elves and men out of loyalty, this Dwarf had the composure to seek Elrond’s advice about troubles involving 7 rings of the dwarves and the one ring of Bilbo’s. Who should play him?

The filmmakers will do what they will with the other dwarves, but since you appear to prefer the armed, filthy, and gruff sort, do us all a favor and list possible actors you’d like to see portray these rough dwarves. I see you use Gimli’s image to represent you, so you must have thoughts on this subject. Let us hear it.


hobbitgoddess
The Shire


Jan 9 2008, 9:32pm

Post #116 of 203 (570 views)
Shortcut
He's too old. [In reply to] Can't Post

Not just in looks. He's technically an old man. And you don't want him doing any of the stunts Bilbo will have to do. I love Ian, he could pull it off if it were just a speaking role, but it's not.

And yes, it will be weird with that opening scene in FOTR. But block it from your mind, and pray that someone gets bored and inserts a updated version of that scene into FOTR.

Have you hugged your hobbit today?

For pony


AinurOlorin
Half-elven

Jan 9 2008, 10:19pm

Post #117 of 203 (566 views)
Shortcut
You must be kidding, that Either Ralph Fienes or Julian Sands [In reply to] Can't Post

could make a better Thranduil than Bowie. Julian Sands is heavier featured and older looking than Bowie, despite being a younger man. And Ralp "Lord Voldemort" Fienes. Come now. All this rock star hating has gone far enough. The fact remains that David Bowie seems to have been birthed for the role. I say again, I doubt many would be suprised to find that one of his ancestors had taken a Fairy Bride. I recall Brian Froud speaking of Bowie during a Labyrinth audition. How Bowie had seized pipes and leapt atop a stool, and Froud saying, that for an instant, with the wicked glint of Bowies eyes and the presence of the man, that he truly believed he was in the presence of Pan himself. Bowie has both the look and the acting skill period.

I stand by Lawrence Fishburne for Beorn, for all the solid reasons I mentioned before.

Richard Boone was GREAT as Smaug. I think Avery Brooks (captain of Deep Space Nine) would do wonderfully as well for the voice of the dragon. I agree, no thin voiced actor will do, no matter how articulate. Smaug must have a resonance. His voice should mesmerize, to an extent, not be some siblant, hissing or simpering vexation.

And I did mention Glorfindel, many times, including on the first page of this thread. I thinke Jude Law would be most PERFECT for the role, but I have also said, that, barring Jude, Jhon_Rhys-Meyers could do the role justice.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


renzn
Bree

Jan 9 2008, 11:59pm

Post #118 of 203 (584 views)
Shortcut
Why does an Elf have to be so light weight? [In reply to] Can't Post

I liked the labyrinth movie. Bowie more than anyone resembles an elf type (high cheek bones, pale skin, etc.), but he can’t weigh more than 130 lbs., and I’m not stating that any being of slight proportions can’t be an incredible fighter, but I see a male of someone more in size to Julian Sands; additionally, I’m perplexed why it appears the majority of people choose elves to be slighter in build than their Man counterparts. There is a pic of Julian Sands on his unofficial website where he has long blonde hair. I’m quite manly married for 19 years with two children, but I can appreciate that Julian is far more…”leaderish” looking than David is. Don’t fight me on this one, but debate it with me. I’m interested to know why you’re so intent on David being chosen. I think your passion and insight into the actors is great. I emphatically agree with having Fish be Beorn, but Jude Law is just another handsome face without much physical presence. Glorfindel has to be noble in appearance and can’t seem more youthful that Elrond. There are discussions that this Glorfindel is the reincarnated Glorfindel who fought a Balrog. I just can’t picture Jude Law fighting a Balrog.

I concede after comparing pictures side by side that Orlando Bloom as Legolas looks more like a David Bowie as Thranduil. I’d appreciate a bit of flexibility on your side to notice the difference between a Julian Sands as Glorfindel rather than Jude Law.
What is your response?


Idril Celebrindal
Tol Eressea


Jan 10 2008, 12:00am

Post #119 of 203 (521 views)
Shortcut
Eartha Kitt as Smaug?? RRrrrrrowwwwwlllll!!!!!! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

With caffeine, all things are possible.

The pity of Bilbo will screw up the fate of many.

Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting


SandWitch King
Rohan


Jan 10 2008, 12:31am

Post #120 of 203 (524 views)
Shortcut
Respectfully [In reply to] Can't Post

Brian Froud knows how to create a fairy, but his opinion holds no weight for me when it comes to casting a Tolkien Elvish King who has nothing to do with the traditional fairy realm or Pan.

My opinion has nothing to do with rockstar hating but rather actor loving. Bowie, respectfully, has been in movies, but this doesn't make him an actor. And the fact remains that David Bowie seems to you to have been birthed for the role but definitely not for me. His appearance on screen, to me, would be a joke and a blight on the whole film. Now if the film is played with campy humor, with a tone that that isn't anything like the Jackson directed LOTR trilogy (and this would be a possible choice considering how different "The Hobbit" is from LOTR) then Bowie would be fine.

This type of cast for me would leave room for Robin Williams as Beorn (hairy and potentially wild and unpredictable) and Tom Cruise as Bilbo (shortish, of the "right" age) or Meatloaf (a musician or an actor? who fits the body type, attitude) as Thorin and Mick Jager (also in movies) as the Goblin King. I don't say this to be offensive but these choices would be no less jarring for me than seeing Mr. Bowie.

I like Fishburne for Beorn and Jude Law.

Respectfully.

I wish my name was "Barrow Wong". Maybe I should change it. And now for my quote:

"Please note, we have added a consequence for failure. Any contact with the chamber floor will result in an unsatisfactory mark on your official testing record, followed by death. Good luck."


Haltiamieli
Registered User

Jan 10 2008, 12:40am

Post #121 of 203 (540 views)
Shortcut
Bard vs Aragorn [In reply to] Can't Post

Surely, I suppose there's not much question about Bard being Aragorn predessor or pre-version or what ever.

My point was that he's, in my mind, easily too much so.. Thus I hope the people behind the script and casting will strive rather for the differences than similarities - much of the similarities will stay anyway, no matter what they do. For Bard character to be interesting, he shouldn't be too much a pastiche of something we've seen earlier. Especially as he is (arguably?) the bleaker and more one-dimensional one of the two.


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 10 2008, 12:44am

Post #122 of 203 (515 views)
Shortcut
Fersher! [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
... I hope the people behind the script and casting will strive rather for the differences than similarities




sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


Nazgul_Kidney
Registered User

Jan 10 2008, 1:20am

Post #123 of 203 (566 views)
Shortcut
I on the contrary feel the dwarves would need to be 6+ at min [In reply to] Can't Post

To get the difference between Bilbo and the dwarves you are going to need actors of 6 minimum. I am going to go out on a limb and say the dwarves should be played by people build like football/rugby players. I wouldnt mind John goodman or Abe Benrudi playing dwarves.

Also i could see Christian Bale as Bard the archer, and maybe Simon Pegg (odd yes) as Bilbo.

For the voice of smaug I would suggest Ken Nordin, who does an amazing Conqueror Worm on Closed On Account Of Rabies. Though i am not sure he is alive.

Also Hello Everyone its been awhile for me but I hope your doing well


Patty
Immortal


Jan 10 2008, 2:47am

Post #124 of 203 (514 views)
Shortcut
I'll go with you in the Ralph Fiennes for Thranduil race... [In reply to] Can't Post

not having clogged my vision with Fiennes in Harry Potter it would be easy for me.

Just keep Tom Cruise a million miles away. That's all I ask. Oh, and that the spiders don't talk.

For Gondor!


Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Jan 10 2008, 3:05am

Post #125 of 203 (544 views)
Shortcut
*waves madly!!* [In reply to] Can't Post

I guess that *should* be *waves happily!!* Laugh

Hi there Nazgul Kidney! You've been missed. So glad to see you found your way to the new boards! I hope all is well with you and that we see lots more of you around the place. Smile


Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.



"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower

"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase



TORn Calendar


Finding Frodo
Tol Eressea


Jan 10 2008, 4:09am

Post #126 of 203 (714 views)
Shortcut
Welcome, tattooed dwarf! [In reply to] Can't Post

I just want to point out that tattooed dwarf accidentally replied to me when you probably wanted to reply to the original post. No worries -- it's been happening a lot lately and it doesn't matter at all in "Flat Mode" but a lot of us read posts in "Threaded Mode" and that's where it gets confusing. Anyway, what the heck, you're welcome, glad to have you with us!

I too hope for dwarves in more dramatic roles than Gimli had in LotR. Of course, some comic relief is to be expected and hoped for, particularly at The Unexpected Party, maybe during the escape from the Wargs and goblins, at Beorn's house, and anytime Bilbo is trying to be perfectly quiet and the dwarves are making a "dwarvish racket".

Where's Frodo?


Finding Frodo
Tol Eressea


Jan 10 2008, 4:12am

Post #127 of 203 (726 views)
Shortcut
Welcome, renzn! [In reply to] Can't Post

Wow, you make a great case for these characters and you have real vision for how they should be portrayed. I confess I haven't even thought about Dain, nor given much consideration to Oin and Gloin except to know they're the ones with the tinderboxes. What are your thoughts on Balin, Dori, and Fili and Kili?

Where's Frodo?


Tim
Tol Eressea


Jan 10 2008, 4:37am

Post #128 of 203 (745 views)
Shortcut
Insert Witty Subject Line Here [In reply to] Can't Post

Nice article MrCere, but I think most of your choices are a bit too "main stream". Casting unknowns who can own a role is my preference, though it goes with out saying it is not a necessity in making an awesome movie. I will say that Martin Freeman is living proof that Hobbits did or do exist in one form or another. Brian Blessed would be AWESOME as Beorn.

Great, where are we going?


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jan 10 2008, 5:10am

Post #129 of 203 (727 views)
Shortcut
Well, if it isn't [In reply to] Can't Post

one of the very first TORNadoes I ever met! Cool Good to see you here again. How's life treating you these days?

I completely agree that the dwarf actors need to be 6' or taller and solidly built, just as the hobbit actor needs to be in the 5' 6" -ish range. It gave the perfect height/size difference between dwarf and hobbits in LOTR, and if they cast that way again it would prevent the need for scale doubles and forced perspective for a large portion of the movie.

I think I like Martin Freeman best of the hobbit candidates I've seen, but Simon Pegg is an interesting choice.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Jan 10 2008, 5:55am

Post #130 of 203 (714 views)
Shortcut
And hello back! [In reply to] Can't Post

It's great to see you here NK. Smile

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


Ataahua's stories


gracie
Bree


Jan 10 2008, 7:12am

Post #131 of 203 (731 views)
Shortcut
hobbit cast [In reply to] Can't Post

Martin Freeman as Bilbo for sure, he does look like a younger version of Ian Holm!
Anyone in favour for a Graig Parker "Haldir" cameo?
That would be cool!
Everyone seems to love that "Parker" Guy!!

Ron definitely to play Thorin "Oakenshield"

Johnny Depp as Thranduil ...that would be awsome

here I go again... Eric Bana as "Bard" would be cool, he fits the description, I always visioned him playing Bard.

What do you guys think?

"...and Illuvatar propounded a great theme..."

: RiganSmile


Treehugger
Registered User


Jan 10 2008, 7:12am

Post #132 of 203 (774 views)
Shortcut
2 cents [In reply to] Can't Post

Here is my cast list:

Bilbo – Martin Freeman
Cast Members from LOTR that are in book or prequel or sequel
Smaug- Michael Wincott (he has SUCH an evil voice)
Dwarves - Luis Guzmán, Ron Perlman, I don’t suppose John Rhys-Davies would play Gloin…, Can’t think of any others.


Leaves of three, let them be!


Annael
Half-elven


Jan 10 2008, 7:14am

Post #133 of 203 (736 views)
Shortcut
What's a Nazgul like you doing in a place like this! [In reply to] Can't Post

Lovely to see you, NK!


. . . there is no harm in charging oneself up with delusions between moments of valid inspiration.
- Steve Martin
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
NARF and member of Deplorable Cultus since 1967


gracie
Bree


Jan 10 2008, 7:46am

Post #134 of 203 (712 views)
Shortcut
Wincott yay [In reply to] Can't Post

yes Michael Wincott could definately work as Smaug!

Put a little bit of a pitch shift on his voice like they did with King Xerxes in "300".

Great suggestion!


AinurOlorin
Half-elven

Jan 10 2008, 9:27am

Post #135 of 203 (712 views)
Shortcut
Actually, Tolkien's Elves and traditional Faerys are VERY closely related [In reply to] Can't Post

The High-Elves being much more akin to ancient Faery conceptions and beliefs than to, say, the latter day elves encountered in some tales. But that adresses something said by someone other than you Rezn, so, back on topic. . .

In Bowie, I see not only the look (which he has in spades, and not in a comic way, such as Mick Jagger as goblin King. . . I don't even see how someone could make such a comparison!), but also the gravity to pull off the role, and the hint of mischief and of selfishness and cunning that also factors into Thranduil, who is neither so benevolent nor so wise as Elrond, Galadriel or Glorfindel, despite being a venerable, thoughtful and noble elf king. I think David merges those qualities more effectively than Sands, and looks more the part to my mind. I know he wanted to play Elrond, and while I think weaving was dead on for the role, I'd still love to see Bowie involved as the elven king.]

Now as to Glorfindel, I think, first, that Jude Law is a solid actor, with solid presence. Not so daunting as Sands, now, but formidable.More so, I think, Than Jonathan Rhys-Davies, who runs my close second for Glorfindel. He certainly has more gravitas than Orlando Bloom, whom I like. Now, in terms of the look, it would have to be someone like for Glorfindel. He MUST look younger than Elrond, by descript definition. Bowie and Weaving can do Thranduil and Elrond, for Tolkien describes Elrond as neither old nor young, and while Thranduil is described less, one gets a feeling that a middle aged, but fit actor would do him justice. Glorfindel, however, is specifically described as not only powerful, but as appearing quite young and beautiful. "His face Fair and YOUNG . . . and full of Joy. His eyes bright and keen. His voice like music" I too have children, and am heterosexual, but I am also not blind, and in a side by side comparison of who better embodies, Fair ( synonym for beauteaous) and Young, with joyous eyes and full of music. . . I have to say Jude beats out Julian hands down. 20 years ago Julian fit that bill, but while he is still a handsome person, fair and young just don't spring to mind any more in looking at him.

But I am happy that you and many of the rest of us agree on Fishburne for Beorn. That would be great on so many levels.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 10 2008, 10:08am

Post #136 of 203 (685 views)
Shortcut
Wow! Hi! [In reply to] Can't Post

It's so great to see you!!

I agree that they need to be scaled to avoid the problem of Bilbo's height. I've started a list of players 6 foot and over that have been mentioned:


Ron Perlman 6'2"
Brendan Gleeson 6'2"
Robbie Coltane 6'1"
John Rhys Davies 6'1" (they must have addressed allergic reaction alternatives by now)
Stephen Fry 6'4.5"
Lawrence Fishburne 6' 1/2"

Then there's John Noble at 6'1"



sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists

My DragonCon 07 Report

My JRRT Map Moot Report


Pittsmen
Rivendell

Jan 10 2008, 11:09am

Post #137 of 203 (701 views)
Shortcut
TOM WAITS AS SMAUG There is no other [In reply to] Can't Post

I’m sorry but I have been hearing a few names thrown around and none of them stand out; however I think the be all end all smaug should and would be Tom Waits. No man has a more harsh gravely voice, yet the ability to woe you into a poetic submission, he is not only frightening but he is also hypnotizing. Listen to some of his music, watch some of his movies, and tell me the man who wrote The Earth Died Screaming is not the epitome of Smaug. http://youtube.com/watch?v=JaLjwSpZ6Cs <--- Just a Sample of his many vocal abilities. http://youtube.com/...&feature=related <-- some more. http://youtube.com/watch?v=sILtO6LAEq8 LIsten to him get into his vocals in the song... http://youtube.com/watch?v=1rgHYp99hYs THIS IS TOM WAITS in the Movie DOMINO! Listen to him speak to domino, Listen to his speech. http://youtube.com/watch?v=U0GWl9GWawI Lastly... there is a multitude of media to look at with tom waits I suggest you look into him.


cleyrah
Registered User

Jan 10 2008, 2:28pm

Post #138 of 203 (774 views)
Shortcut
Casting Speculations [In reply to] Can't Post

It seems that a lot of "big names" have been floating around: Colin Firth, Alan Rickman, etc. One of the things I most admired about the LOTR trilogy was the inventive casting. Orlando Bloom, Billy Boyd, Dominic Monaghan, David Wenham - these were all names that no one had really heard of before, particularly stateside (Orlando had never even done a movie before!). You don't need that many big names to lure folks to a Hobbit film - the work speaks for itself. So I really hope the director (whoever that may be) takes a cue from Mr. Jackson and casts outside the box.


Darkstone
Immortal


Jan 10 2008, 2:31pm

Post #139 of 203 (668 views)
Shortcut
They do meet an invisible swordsman. / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

******************************************
The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



Darkstone
Immortal


Jan 10 2008, 2:34pm

Post #140 of 203 (705 views)
Shortcut
Nah. [In reply to] Can't Post

Not "johnny one-note". Rather "incremental verse".

******************************************
The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



renzn
Bree

Jan 10 2008, 3:58pm

Post #141 of 203 (714 views)
Shortcut
Glorfindel already cast in ROTK [In reply to] Can't Post

I've relented to you on the Bowie idea; however, I chose to search for possible images of Glorfindel. Apparently this character already has been cast and was present in the ROTK movie. Simply go to http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/12658. Now the fella pictured here has the youth of a Jude Law, but this guy has a far more serious look to him. I believe it only right that they renew this actor to play this role. What are your thoughts?



(This post was edited by renzn on Jan 10 2008, 3:59pm)


Treehugger
Registered User


Jan 10 2008, 5:18pm

Post #142 of 203 (663 views)
Shortcut
Reply to: Casting Speculations [In reply to] Can't Post

I can't see this with a lot of big "Top 40" stars. I probably even prefer they don't go that route. A strong prerequisite would be a good acting ability.

Its been a few years since I read the book. I am going to have to read it so I can remember all the characters.

Leaves of three, let them be!


Patty
Immortal


Jan 10 2008, 5:53pm

Post #143 of 203 (666 views)
Shortcut
If they have his character in Rivendell in the movies... [In reply to] Can't Post

which, why wouldn't they? then yes, he should be cast again. Give him a word or two this time, why don't ya, Pete?

For Gondor!


Tim
Tol Eressea


Jan 10 2008, 6:44pm

Post #144 of 203 (676 views)
Shortcut
Insert Witty Subject Line Here [In reply to] Can't Post

Hmmm. No, this guy looks too much like a kid. I haven't caved on Bowie either, I would have a Weaving moment with Bowie in it. When I saw Weaving in FOTR I just kept waiting to hear "Mr. Anderson" in there somewhere. He didn't ruin the movie for me, but his presence did jolt me out of the movie for a minute. There are few actors who can move from one movie to another and inhabit their new part without reminding you of another part. I am in no way saying Weaving is a poor actor, he's fantastic. Nor am I saying that Bowie is a poor actor. I'm not picking on the elves, either, I had the same kind of problem with Sean Bean as Boromir, though it wasn't as pronounced as Weaving. I just remember Sean as the terrorist going after Harrison Ford in Patriot Games (though he's been in a TON of stuff since then). Some actors can just pull it off with me, like Ian Holm. He did such a good job inhabiting Bilbo I didn't think of him as the android that goes crazy in Alien. Gary Oldman is another. When he played Gordon in Batman, he didn't remind me of his roles in The Professional or Dracula. They both just own whatever new role they take. Ian McKellan didn't remind me Magneto in Xmen or Richard III.


In Reply To
I've relented to you on the Bowie idea; however, I chose to search for possible images of Glorfindel. Apparently this character already has been cast and was present in the ROTK movie. Simply go to http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/12658. Now the fella pictured here has the youth of a Jude Law, but this guy has a far more serious look to him. I believe it only right that they renew this actor to play this role. What are your thoughts?



Great, where are we going?


Patty
Immortal


Jan 10 2008, 7:05pm

Post #145 of 203 (649 views)
Shortcut
I can get behind this because... [In reply to] Can't Post

elves are supposed to be fresh and youthful looking. But hey Cirdan didn't pull that off, did he?

I was very very fortunate to only have seen "The Matrix" once before FotR (I had to watch it, because the Ring trailer first appeared during the airing of "The Matrix") but I didn't have Hugo Weaving burned into my retinas as Mr. Anderson then. But I know what you mean about how difficult it is for the viewer to see someone who is iconic for a particular role then try to act as someone else. It is often very off-putting.

For Gondor!


Peredhil lover
Valinor

Jan 10 2008, 7:16pm

Post #146 of 203 (657 views)
Shortcut
Hmmm ... [In reply to] Can't Post

Hadn't known that before - thanks!

Still ... Glorfindel may be looking young, but this one looks more like an elfling to me. I can't imagine this one as the former Lord of Gondolin. But considering the shooting of the Hobbit movies will be around ten years later, maybe he would be more fitting now.

I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.


Zmulady
Rohan

Jan 10 2008, 7:25pm

Post #147 of 203 (663 views)
Shortcut
Weaving for Elrond [In reply to] Can't Post

I have to agree with 5 by 5, I too was waiting for Elrond (Agent Smith) to say "Mr Andersonnnn" love him in that movie. But after about the 5th time I watched LOTR, it's now hard to see him be so mean in the Matrix and I like him even more as Elrond. I"d like to see him in Hobbit.


Tiria
Bree

Jan 10 2008, 7:32pm

Post #148 of 203 (645 views)
Shortcut
Another vote for James McAvoy as Bilbo (alt: Simon Pegg or Ricky Gervais) [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes, Bilbo is supposed to be 50, but remember that it wasn't just the Ring that ensured our hobbits looked young for their ages. Hobbit lifespan is about half-again what modern human lifespan is, and they don't even come of age until 33. So a 50-year-old hobbit would indeed look around 30 in human years. Or, exactly McAvoy's age.

True, he does have the direct association with Mr. Tumnus, but Ian McK had the association with Magneto. I think we can deal with two iconic roles for the same actor.

Martin Freeman isn't a bad choice, though, and I think Simon Pegg or Ricky Gervais would work well, too.

Incidentally, if one compares pics of McAvoy to pics of Ian Holm at the same age, the resemblance is striking.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Jan 10 2008, 7:57pm

Post #149 of 203 (623 views)
Shortcut
Insert Witty Subject Line Here [In reply to] Can't Post

I have the same problem with McAvoy as I did with Wood, too young and "pretty boy". Neither really look like I picture a hobbit to look like. Did Wood ruin the movie for me? No, I LOVE the movies and watch them like, oh, once a week. Simon Pegg, erm, er, he's running around killing zombies. ;-) Now Ricky Gervais... he definitely looks like a hobbit. Bilbo is firmly in my mind as a middle-aged hobbit. Pretty boys need not apply. :-)


In Reply To
Yes, Bilbo is supposed to be 50, but remember that it wasn't just the Ring that ensured our hobbits looked young for their ages. Hobbit lifespan is about half-again what modern human lifespan is, and they don't even come of age until 33. So a 50-year-old hobbit would indeed look around 30 in human years. Or, exactly McAvoy's age.

True, he does have the direct association with Mr. Tumnus, but Ian McK had the association with Magneto. I think we can deal with two iconic roles for the same actor.

Martin Freeman isn't a bad choice, though, and I think Simon Pegg or Ricky Gervais would work well, too.

Incidentally, if one compares pics of McAvoy to pics of Ian Holm at the same age, the resemblance is striking.


Great, where are we going?


Tiria
Bree

Jan 10 2008, 8:06pm

Post #150 of 203 (640 views)
Shortcut
Frodo was an unusual Hobbit [In reply to] Can't Post

I think Wood was absolutely pitch-perfect for Frodo--who was special, if you remember. Not only a Fallohide and a direct Took descendent, therefore being qualitatively different from more-staid and stocky Stoors or Harfoots, but who had a distinct Elvish air about him.

Add in living with the Ring nearby for 38 years, and no, he's not going to look a thing like a traditional Hobbit of 50.


Tiria
Bree

Jan 10 2008, 8:22pm

Post #151 of 203 (611 views)
Shortcut
More casting ideas: Zachary Quinto, Ray Stevenson, Nick Stahl [In reply to] Can't Post

Some of the posts upthread about Heroes, Rome and Carnivale actors made me think of these three.

Ray Stevenson would be absolutely perfect for Beorn.

I'm interested to see what Zachary Quinto will look like as Spock, because if he pulls off Vulcan, he can pull of Elf, and in such case would be a great Thranduil--slight sinister edge, etc.

Nick Stahl might work well for Bilbo if he was aged up a smidge.

Also, I do like Adrian Pasdar for Bard.

Something else that I think should happen: I think a few of our hobbitses could do cameos as their parents or other relatives. Saradoc and Paladin, anyone? And we'd need a younger Gaffer Gamgee, too.

Casting may well be a bit of a challenge, size-wise. Remember that dwarves are about 1-1 1/2 feet taller than hobbits, which means that for a 5'6" actor playing Bilbo, you'd need someone 6 1/2-7' tall for each of the Dwarves. Not gonna happen. They were able to manage with JRD because they just shot his stuff separately and used Brett for the rest of it, plus he wasn't actually in a lot of scenes with the hobbits anyway. The sheer amount of physical interaction necessary between the dwarves and Bilbo is going to make this a big pain unless they find someone considerably shorter than 5'6" to play Bilbo.


AinurOlorin
Half-elven

Jan 10 2008, 9:57pm

Post #152 of 203 (586 views)
Shortcut
I am graciously appreciative of your relent, and wish to do so with humility [In reply to] Can't Post

though I must say that in re-reading some of Thranduils lines last night, I could absolutely see Bowie saying them convincingly. In response to what someone else said, I didn't really have an Anderson moment with Weaving either. He acted it the part well. I don't think its entirely an actors fault if you all but refuse to let them escape an earlier role, and if every actor who ever took a memorable role was forever after turned down for any other role of note, studious and actors alike would have a big problem on their hands. "Sure this person would be great for the role, but I don't want him in it because I know its him" In the words of Charlie Brown. . . "Good Grief".

But back to your question Renzn, I actually think this Glorfindel looks TOO young. I had seen him beofore, but I don't think he need be recast, as he is only mentioned as Glorfindel on a playing card or something, and I think that was done as a random last minute thing to appease fans who were still angry about his earlier omission. No casual viewer, and few avid viewers know, even now, who he was supposed to be. I already made two people in the films Glorfindel on my own. The First was the longest haired elf at The Council of Elrond, and the second was the Elf who stood behind Elrond in Minas Tirith. LOL.

I think Glorfindel must be young and beautiful, certainly younger than Juilian S., but he should't look like some Ancient Grecian lecher's adolescent boy toy either. I think I have to stick with either Jude Law or John-Rhys Meyers for this one.. Law more than Meyers, because I think Jude has a greater gravity. As to this guy having a more serious look. . . well, who wouldn't look serious if they were frowning, but unless we see him act, I hardly see how a comparison can be made beyond what we know of Jude, who can also frown rather morosely. lol

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Tim
Tol Eressea


Jan 11 2008, 2:26am

Post #153 of 203 (557 views)
Shortcut
Not relenting, but respectful of differences of opinion [In reply to] Can't Post

I didn't really have an Anderson moment with Weaving either. He acted it the part well. I don't think its entirely an actors fault if you all but refuse to let them escape an earlier role, and if every actor who ever took a memorable role was forever after turned down for any other role of note, studious and actors alike would have a big problem on their hands.

LOL, yeah Weaving did a great job. I said he was a great actor. I don't "refuse" to let any actor "escape" a previous role. That hints at a slightly malevolent motivation. It's the actor's job (or arguably the director's job) to do such a good job at owning the part that I am NOT reminded of previous roles. It's my job to be entertained. I watch many movies, rent and buy them, so no studio will ever be able to accuse me of not supporting them. Wink It's cool if you didn't have a Agent Smith moment with Weaving, I WISH the it hadn't been that way for me. I don't go out of my way to not enjoy a performance to the fullest. Right now I'm slightly tolerating "The Invasion" which features Daniel Craig, and his performance doesn't remind me at all of James Bond. I guess I should point out I am watching the movie, not having pigeon-holed the actors/actresses in any of their previous roles and I'm doing my part to support studios and actors.Wink Smile


Great, where are we going?


Patty
Immortal


Jan 11 2008, 2:29am

Post #154 of 203 (575 views)
Shortcut
Psst, Tiria... [In reply to] Can't Post

welcome to TORN!

For Gondor!


Tiria
Bree

Jan 11 2008, 3:04am

Post #155 of 203 (545 views)
Shortcut
Thank you [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
welcome to TORN!



Thanks! I've actually been around here for several years--shortly after FOTR released. I just haven't been around much in the past couple of years, and I never posted much anyway.


Peredhil lover
Valinor

Jan 11 2008, 6:24am

Post #156 of 203 (525 views)
Shortcut
Glorfindel [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
But back to your question Renzn, I actually think this Glorfindel looks TOO young. I had seen him beofore, but I don't think he need be recast, as he is only mentioned as Glorfindel on a playing card or something, and I think that was done as a random last minute thing to appease fans who were still angry about his earlier omission. No casual viewer, and few avid viewers know, even now, who he was supposed to be. I already made two people in the films Glorfindel on my own. The First was the longest haired elf at The Council of Elrond, and the second was the Elf who stood behind Elrond in Minas Tirith. LOL.


Yes, I think I know which ones you're talking about, and that are exactly the ones I always thought had to be Glorfindel. Seems much more likely to me than the one on the card. As I already said, I share your opinion about him being too young.

I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.


Jericho
Registered User

Jan 11 2008, 6:24am

Post #157 of 203 (537 views)
Shortcut
Nameless Smaug [In reply to] Can't Post

Unknown actor for Smaug = good call. "Name the Actor" is a constant headache in talking animation, cf. Sean Connery in "Dragonheart." I'm having trouble with the dragon's sarcasm and wit being too similar to William Forrester's ("Finding Forrester"). Nameless, in this case, would be good.


SandWitch King
Rohan


Jan 11 2008, 8:40am

Post #158 of 203 (537 views)
Shortcut
Me likey [In reply to] Can't Post

You are dead on about Haldir/Craig Parker. A little nod to something about his role in LOTR would be fun.

Eric Bana would indeed be a good Bard.

I wish my name was "Barrow Wong". Maybe I should change it. And now for my quote:

"Please note, we have added a consequence for failure. Any contact with the chamber floor will result in an unsatisfactory mark on your official testing record, followed by death. Good luck."


SandWitch King
Rohan


Jan 11 2008, 8:44am

Post #159 of 203 (529 views)
Shortcut
But . . . . [In reply to] Can't Post

Kong has the same body structure as a human, mostly. Dragons? Not so much. Jackson / Taylor / WETA didn't use motion capture for the T-Rex or other dinos in Kong at all. And having a dragon face emote a lot of emotion might look a lot like those movies that have "talking" animals with crazy emotive faces. It takes the viewer into the world of cartoon.

Those animators are very good at "acting" through characters. The cave troll for instance delivered a great "performance" at least in my opinion, perhaps even as good as Mr. Blooms!

I wish my name was "Barrow Wong". Maybe I should change it. And now for my quote:

"Please note, we have added a consequence for failure. Any contact with the chamber floor will result in an unsatisfactory mark on your official testing record, followed by death. Good luck."


gracie
Bree


Jan 11 2008, 9:23am

Post #160 of 203 (523 views)
Shortcut
Talking Dragonz [In reply to] Can't Post

Yeah I agree,
what do you think about a sub titled smaug? Still have him talking, but have his voice heavily pitch shifted and vocoded "technical jargon here" make his voice a little more sinister perhaps?

What are your thoughts?

:rigan
Attachments: reign_of_fire.jpg (7.13 KB)


Darkstone
Immortal


Jan 11 2008, 3:38pm

Post #161 of 203 (513 views)
Shortcut
James Wood as the Necromancer. / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

******************************************
The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



Patty
Immortal


Jan 11 2008, 7:36pm

Post #162 of 203 (510 views)
Shortcut
Well, I guess even though he's technically a Lothlorien elf... [In reply to] Can't Post

he could have been cooling his heels at Rivendell during the time when Bilbo comes a-calling. After all, in TTT he says "I bring word from Elrond of Rivendell..." so I assume they must keep in touch.

For Gondor!


Tim
Tol Eressea


Jan 11 2008, 7:42pm

Post #163 of 203 (491 views)
Shortcut
Subtitles... no :) [In reply to] Can't Post

 
I'll watch a movie with subtitles, like some of my favorite kung-fu flicks, but in general I find them distracting. So it would be ideal if subtitles weren't used when Smaug speaks. It also wouldn't make much sense, since in the book Bilbo isn't speaking a different language while conversing with Smaug.

In Reply To
Yeah I agree,
what do you think about a sub titled smaug? Still have him talking, but have his voice heavily pitch shifted and vocoded "technical jargon here" make his voice a little more sinister perhaps?

What are your thoughts?

:rigan


Great, where are we going?


Zmulady
Rohan

Jan 11 2008, 7:47pm

Post #164 of 203 (479 views)
Shortcut
no agreed [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree with 5 by 5, I think subtitles are too distracting. It kinda reminds me of cartoons.


entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jan 11 2008, 7:49pm

Post #165 of 203 (494 views)
Shortcut
FOTR had subtitles /nt [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Each cloak was fastened about the neck with a brooch like a green leaf veined with silver.
`Are these magic cloaks?' asked Pippin, looking at them with wonder.
`I do not know what you mean by that,' answered the leader of the Elves.


NARF since 1974.
Balin Bows


Zmulady
Rohan

Jan 11 2008, 7:53pm

Post #166 of 203 (489 views)
Shortcut
you are right [In reply to] Can't Post

I would just like to not see subtitles for Smaug. That would seem cartoonish to me. He should have a real voice in my opinion.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Jan 11 2008, 7:55pm

Post #167 of 203 (484 views)
Shortcut
Yea entmaiden but... [In reply to] Can't Post

... they were used sparingly and not for the dialogue in a major encounter/plot point. Smile

Great, where are we going?


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 11 2008, 8:03pm

Post #168 of 203 (506 views)
Shortcut
So, you can't see Andy all sprawled out on the floor [In reply to] Can't Post

*snigger* That man is amazing and could do anything! I do agree that I'd hate to see any more animal/monster faces done through animation. I'm especially really sick of seeing filmclips of zebras, monkeys, cows and all sorts of creatures with just the lips moving through superimposed or animated lip-action. NO NO NO!

I think Weta could pull together an incredibly stunning Smaug, Trolls, and spiders... no to mention all the other beasties of M-e.

*twitch* I can't wait for that long-absent thrill of sitting theatre for a first-time viewing of something from Jackson's image of Middle-earth in complete awe. I can taste it!




sample sample
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!

"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


TORn's Observations Lists


Jericho
Registered User

Jan 11 2008, 9:55pm

Post #169 of 203 (470 views)
Shortcut
Echoing the sentiments [In reply to] Can't Post

Applause to the observation that high-profile actors cause "identity interference" with the believability of the character. A la Tolkien, the believability of everything--characters perhaps most of all--is essential, else we settle for "suspension of disbelieve" and leave much of the audience outside of "the abortive little Secondary World." Kudos to everyone (and there are a lot of us) articulating this piece as an essential criterion for casting.

To piggy-back on the believability element, it seems a wise course to employ as many actors with a native strain of the desired brogue as possible. Language being one of the pillars (if not the foundation) of LotR and The Hobbit, we can't afford to cast anyone whose vocals break the spell--especially for Smaug, given Shippey's scholarship on him (quoted elsewhere in this discussion). At risk of inciting the fury of my fellow fans, there are a few points in the trilogy where the English-ness of the characters' diction stretches to the edge of believability. I had a roommate who was mispronouncing "Aragorn" as "Aragon"(!--in light of Eragon) because that's what he heard from some of the American actors in the films. (Do not take this as anti-LotR-cast criticism--I'm a huge fan of everyone casted for the trilogy, and am glad to see many returning. Also, I'm an Iowan, and as such, very proud to see Elijah Wood cast as Frodo.) So perhaps the powers that be, when casting begins, ought to look for:

A. little-known or marginal actors
B. from the UK.

(This would seem to be a critical minimum requirement.)

As such, here are some interesting considerations for casting:

Beorn: Guy Sprung. Having directed Richard III in Canada to critical acclaim, and (ironically, in his role in the VG Myst IV [Rand and Robyn Miller were avid Tolkien fans]) bearing a striking resemblance to Hildebrandt's "Beorn the Berserker," if the Guy can act, and is willing to take his medieval background to the screen in honor of Tolkien the medievalist, he should be given a look. His voice is perfect for a bear-man's voice, too.

Bard: Ioan Gruffudd. He's had some key leads in some less-than-blockbuster films that have groomed him for a good acting job here. None of his roles are well known enough to interfere (closest to "identity interference" in the trilogy was Hugo Weaving: "Welcome to Rivendell... Mr. Anderson"--it was close). He's repeatedly played characters marked by sufficient conviction (William Wilberforce), leadership (Horatio Hornblower), and military strength (Lancelot) to make a convincing Bard.

Bombur: Give the role to a good comedian, viz. Bombur's unwieldy appearance and repeated physical mistakes (dropping Bilbo, falling in the Enchanted River, constant mourning over scarcity of food, being poked repeatedly by spiders). Make us shake our heads in pity, recoil in disgust at his manners, but deep down, love Bombur for being grossly fat and childishly beyond self-restraint at table, and nevertheless heroically dangerous in the Battle of Five Armies. Some may take issue with an almost-slapstick Bombur becoming a dreadnought in battle, but what can be more British than the awen, the battle-rage, especially in an axe- or hammer-wielding dwarf?

Trolls: Could we get Frank Oz to do voices for all of the trolls? And please, let's make sure they turn to stone in the same positions as shown in Fellowship, extended scenes.

Wargs: Casting could solve the question of whether uruks are enough for the Battle of Five Armies: why not give voices to some of the wargs?

Jericho


SandWitch King
Rohan


Jan 12 2008, 1:20am

Post #170 of 203 (468 views)
Shortcut
I like the idea, a lot [In reply to] Can't Post

I think sub-titles for the magnificent Smaug would be WONDERFUL! Great idea! In fact, it is the best idea I have heard so far on how to handle the mythical creature that seldom works right on film. And, after all, some of my favorite films have subtitles.

However, the idea of Bilbo understanding dragon-speak is the part I wouldn't be able to get past. From a practical point it is the best idea I have read for Smaug so far, but the plot-hole would be more than problematic.

I wish my name was "Barrow Wong". Maybe I should change it. And now for my quote:

"Please note, we have added a consequence for failure. Any contact with the chamber floor will result in an unsatisfactory mark on your official testing record, followed by death. Good luck."


SandWitch King
Rohan


Jan 12 2008, 1:23am

Post #171 of 203 (463 views)
Shortcut
Accents can be acted [In reply to] Can't Post

They sure were in LOTR and just about any movie I can think of. Accents and speech are a very important part of acting just as make-up and wardrobe are. I can't imagine us saying, "We can only cast characters that wear capes."

Accents are worn as well.

Good actors, even famous ones, disappear into roles. That is what acting is.

I wish my name was "Barrow Wong". Maybe I should change it. And now for my quote:

"Please note, we have added a consequence for failure. Any contact with the chamber floor will result in an unsatisfactory mark on your official testing record, followed by death. Good luck."


MiniBooger
Registered User


Jan 12 2008, 4:28am

Post #172 of 203 (466 views)
Shortcut
Wheeeeeeee! It sure is! [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm with you on this one. I would prefer lesser-known and unknowns as opposed to famous. Although it's true that Sean Astin, Sean Bean, etc., were not unknowns, their faces were not "in our face" before LOTR. I love Johnny Depp, but he's far too recognizable and would be far too distracting. And please, no Harry Potter actors either for the same reason. Let us be pleasantly surprised as we were with LOTR.

Except for Bilbo, it's just got to be Ian Holm. It's not unethical to cast an older man if he's willing to be cast. As far as action shots go, they can be CG'd just like Orlando's were. There will be too many connections for me to break from LOTR to be able to see someone else in the role. And I don't want to break them Evil If Ian won't do it, then there better be some good latex attached to the replacement actor's face Sly

As for me, my biggest burning question is, is Alan Lee and John Howe going to do the concept art?! Is Hobbiton and Rivendell going to be recognizable from the LOTR films? Bag End? The Prancing Pony?

All in all, I trust PJ to do us right. I'm just sooooo excited - news just won't come fast enough!

___________________________________

Let's hunt some Orc


Tim
Tol Eressea


Jan 12 2008, 5:31am

Post #173 of 203 (467 views)
Shortcut
See, this is why we need nano-technology [In reply to] Can't Post

If we had nano-technology running through our bodies constantly repairing us and keeping us fit and healthy and young, then yeah Ian Holm would be perfect.

I hope I'm wrong somehow, because he made a great Bilbo, but I just don't see him physically being able to handle the action Bilbo is going to have to go through on this movie. And CG (like they did with Christopher Lee in the Star Wars Prequels) can only go so far and is a big ugly hit on the budget.

They would have to actually do it better than it was done in the Star Wars prequels, because I could tell when it was a stunt double with Mr. Lee's face. Not that big a deal for small scenes, but for most of a movie? Eeeek. Crazy

Smile


In Reply To
I'm with you on this one. I would prefer lesser-known and unknowns as opposed to famous. Although it's true that Sean Astin, Sean Bean, etc., were not unknowns, their faces were not "in our face" before LOTR. I love Johnny Depp, but he's far too recognizable and would be far too distracting. And please, no Harry Potter actors either for the same reason. Let us be pleasantly surprised as we were with LOTR.

Except for Bilbo, it's just got to be Ian Holm. It's not unethical to cast an older man if he's willing to be cast. As far as action shots go, they can be CG'd just like Orlando's were. There will be too many connections for me to break from LOTR to be able to see someone else in the role. And I don't want to break them Evil If Ian won't do it, then there better be some good latex attached to the replacement actor's face Sly

As for me, my biggest burning question is, is Alan Lee and John Howe going to do the concept art?! Is Hobbiton and Rivendell going to be recognizable from the LOTR films? Bag End? The Prancing Pony?

All in all, I trust PJ to do us right. I'm just sooooo excited - news just won't come fast enough!


Great, where are we going?


MiniBooger
Registered User


Jan 12 2008, 5:36am

Post #174 of 203 (456 views)
Shortcut
But what do I know? [In reply to] Can't Post

There are always stunt doubles - I honestly don't think it's a stretch. But the conversation is likely for naught as he has to be willing and I don't recall ever hearing him say he'd like to reprise the role.

Let's hunt some Orc


Tiria
Bree

Jan 12 2008, 5:54am

Post #175 of 203 (467 views)
Shortcut
Holm could narrate or bookend the film [In reply to] Can't Post

I think that would be a reasonable compromise. Because it just wouldn't make sense to have the central character of the film be such a pain to shoot, and there's simply no way that 1. Holm can be aged down enough and 2. He could manage the physicality necessary. The voice wouldn't even work out right because voices age, and his sounds as old as he is--not like a ~30 year old.

Speaking of voices, though: What about Monaghan for Smaug? We've all heard him narrating Ringers, right? And we all know he can do fabulous character voices and impressions.


megadude
Registered User

Jan 12 2008, 6:06am

Post #176 of 203 (592 views)
Shortcut
who will play thorin [In reply to] Can't Post

jim carter who played john faa in the golden compass

what do ya think


megadude
Registered User

Jan 12 2008, 6:35am

Post #177 of 203 (582 views)
Shortcut
A WHITE COUNCIL IN THE HOBBIT [In reply to] Can't Post

dont forget to get rid of the necromancer(sauron) in mirkwood forest
you had a battle of the wizards vs necromancer saruman the white gandalf the grey & radagast the brown hmm more casting ideas hmmm have to cast another wizard
hmmm michael gambon from the old harry potter series would do nicely



megadude
Registered User

Jan 12 2008, 6:49am

Post #178 of 203 (581 views)
Shortcut
donald sutherland as somebody [In reply to] Can't Post

his voice is great

and he looks like thorin with that beard



AinurOlorin
Half-elven

Jan 12 2008, 10:02am

Post #179 of 203 (650 views)
Shortcut
Donald Sutherland with long hair and a great beard looks very much like Gandalf, [In reply to] Can't Post

But Ian already plays him wonderfully. Still, yes, I could also see him as Thorin. Though Jim Carter looked GREAT too.

And I have to memo Rezn, I saw Jude Law tonight on an entertainment show, and clips from his new film with M. Cain. Jude has both the look and the presence for Glorfindel. . . Trust me, he could do it!

No sub-titles for Smaug though, just a big, resonant, mesmerizing voice like that of Avery Brooks. The Smaug in Rankin?Bass was enthralling, in part because of his great voice. How can something mesmerize you with its suave talking, if you cannot even make out what its saying?

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven

Jan 12 2008, 10:16am

Post #180 of 203 (572 views)
Shortcut
In addition, Use Michael Hague along with Howe and Alan Lee. [In reply to] Can't Post

 
Also, along with John Howe and Alan Lee, I hope they involve Michael Hague, who did a major illustrated Hobbit, which was essentially THE illustrated Hobbit for nearly two decades until Alan Lee did the Diamond anniversary edition several years ago. While Howe's technique out-stripes Hagues for verisemitude, I felt Hagues was more true to the Hobbit in its wonderrous, semi jovial tone, than Lees far more somber approach (much as I love Lee). Hagues picture of Gandalf being rescued by Gwahir, with the lightning still blazing on his wand, is the definitve picture of that scene for me. Please, one of you computer geniuses, pull that picture up for me and post it here. It is in the first of the Worlds of Tolkien art anthologies, and I am sure it can be easily found.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

(This post was edited by AinurOlorin on Jan 12 2008, 10:17am)


Noneoftheabove
Lorien


Jan 12 2008, 10:45am

Post #181 of 203 (593 views)
Shortcut
Martin Freeman as Bilbo doesn't work for me... [In reply to] Can't Post

Can they really find anyone who can perform a better Bilbo than Ian Holm? Whoever they choose needs to take Ian Holm's performance as Bilbo into consideration. After all, It is difficult to see anyone else take over where Ian Holm left off. Because for me, Bilbo stepped out of the page when Ian Holm became him.


tattooed_dwarf
Rivendell


Jan 12 2008, 5:25pm

Post #182 of 203 (572 views)
Shortcut
dwarfs [In reply to] Can't Post

Well there are so many actors for roles of dwarfs, but here's some ideas. Obviously these: Brian Cox ans James Cosmo. Also not so known Bill Maynard and Steve Halliwell. I would like to see as many not-so-know actors as possible.


megadude
Registered User

Jan 12 2008, 5:26pm

Post #183 of 203 (570 views)
Shortcut
hey i got a guy who could play bombur [In reply to] Can't Post

the portly complaining dwarf
richard griffiths think about him fussy and complainy as dursley in harry potter
his humor would give you occasional laughs

what do you think


johnamir
Registered User

Jan 13 2008, 4:19am

Post #184 of 203 (577 views)
Shortcut
PJ approved [In reply to] Can't Post

I have one thing to say about all the speculation of casting for "The Hobbit"....

***PJ Approved***

Ask PJ, he is both wise and powerful....trust me, he will know who to cast.

J


Treehugger
Registered User


Jan 13 2008, 7:15pm

Post #185 of 203 (541 views)
Shortcut
Agree on Bombur [In reply to] Can't Post

Oh, good idea on Bombur. But you know, I think he is kinda looking a bit worse for wear these days. In the last HP movie, I thought he looked like he had health issues. Maybe that was the makeup...

With all the prequal and sequal speculation that will be in there. I always said Daniel Radcliffe look like a young Elijah Wood. If they do anything about Frodo coming to live with his Uncle, maybe they could use Daniel. How old was he? I can't remember.

Leaves of three, let me be! Bah!


AinurOlorin
Half-elven

Jan 15 2008, 4:27am

Post #186 of 203 (535 views)
Shortcut
Good God you have it [In reply to] Can't Post

YES! HE would make a perfect Bombur! lol. I hope he doesn't have health issues. I think part of his ill look in HPotter 5 was the high-def. You got a TOO clear view of his skin.

And were any of you able to find the picture of Gandalf being carried off By Gwahir that Michael Hague did in the 1984 edition of the Hobbit. Its also in the Worlds of Tolkien art collection. I really want someone to post it here, so that everyone who hasn't viewed it can see what I mean.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


tattooed_dwarf
Rivendell


Jan 17 2008, 9:16am

Post #187 of 203 (514 views)
Shortcut
David O'Hara for bard [In reply to] Can't Post

check this guy


myron
Registered User

Jan 26 2008, 8:52pm

Post #188 of 203 (472 views)
Shortcut
Very special effects [In reply to] Can't Post

I have to say that Martin Freeman does seem a great choice for Bilbo. Someone proposed Simon Pegg, which I don't see - but I could see his buddy Nick Frost as a dwarf... Brain Blessed would indeed be an inspired choice as Beorn. I'm undecided as to who should voice Smaug - I think that the voice of Captain Picard is too distinct - but I would be VERY impressed if, as suggested, they got Ossie Davis to do it, seeing as he's been dead for almost 3 years. Weta's good, but no one's THAT good.

Whoever suggested Wayne Pygram may be on to something tough ...


AinurOlorin
Half-elven

Jan 28 2008, 5:22pm

Post #189 of 203 (459 views)
Shortcut
Still Avery Brooks for Smaug [In reply to] Can't Post

Mr. Dursley for Bombur. Sutherland or Carter for Thoirin.

And I stand strong on Fishburne for Beorn. Too perfect on sooo many levels.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Parkis
Registered User

Feb 10 2008, 5:18am

Post #190 of 203 (458 views)
Shortcut
Martin Freeman? I agree. [In reply to] Can't Post

Martin Freeman is an amazing suggestion. I was thinking of The Hobbit the other day and I can't believe that he never came to mind. On another note, I wonder if Peter O'toole would have the chops for Smaug, with some serious editing of course. They'd definitely capture a voice with some age!


Rabittooth
Bree


Feb 10 2008, 3:29pm

Post #191 of 203 (480 views)
Shortcut
oooh [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
Martin Freeman is an amazing suggestion. I was thinking of The Hobbit the other day and I can't believe that he never came to mind. On another note, I wonder if Peter O'toole would have the chops for Smaug, with some serious editing of course. They'd definitely capture a voice with some age!



Peter O'Toole! Nice idea.Smile

-Rabittooth

www.rabittooth.com


lotring1
The Shire

Feb 16 2008, 11:04pm

Post #192 of 203 (436 views)
Shortcut
edward marsan for bilbo? [In reply to] Can't Post

i think he has a great face for bilbo.....having just read the book again and just watched "the illusionist"...


(This post was edited by lotring1 on Feb 16 2008, 11:13pm)
Attachments: eddymarsan.gif (23.2 KB)


lippy
Registered User

Feb 24 2008, 2:00am

Post #193 of 203 (444 views)
Shortcut
Michael Hurst for Bilbo! [In reply to] Can't Post


I just think he'd be PERFECT!

Hurst (best know for his character of Iolaus in Hercules:The Legendary Journeys) is a wonderful comedic actor, with a fantastic range of both pharse and high melodrama! A PERFECT candidate for the changable Bilbo! Plus he's only just over 5ft! Wink


(This post was edited by lippy on Feb 24 2008, 2:01am)


Amandil
The Shire

Feb 25 2008, 4:19am

Post #194 of 203 (417 views)
Shortcut
Ian Holm - should be Bilbo if he wants [In reply to] Can't Post

I totally agree with Anthronaut.

There have been a lot of comments on Gandalf's quote about how "literally" it was meant that Bilbo did not age a day. Aside from Gandalf's quote, please note that according to the Fellowship book, while the people of the Shire began to consider Bilbo "well preserved", "unchanged" would have been a better word, and it also states that at 90 he looked much as at 50. Therefore if they can still make up Ian to look as he did when had his long-expected party or perhaps just a slight bit younger (which shouldn't be too difficult), he should look the part quite well.

The heavier demands of the role in this movie several years later in his life would be the bigger issue, but it should be offered to him, and if he feels interested and up to the task, then I say Ian all the way!

I'll also pipe in that I absolutely do not think Elijah Wood should play Bilbo. Maybe a cameo looking over Bilbo's shoulder as the latter works on his book years later, perhaps in a closing scene to bring things forward to a LOTR tie in would be nice. Let's not alter Elijah's place in the history of Tokein on the screen. Any place the previous characters can be justified in showing up in a scene I approve of but only as their original characters. Legolas could be worked in as is frequently mentioned. I think Frodo to, as I suggest above. If they create anything to cover Gandalf going to Dol Guldur to drive Sauron from Mirkwood, perhaps Saruman could appear too, discussing the Ring and the Necromancer!


Celtic Pyr8
Registered User


Mar 1 2008, 4:00am

Post #195 of 203 (473 views)
Shortcut
My 2 Cents worth: - My "Dream Cast" [In reply to] Can't Post

Hi All,

Re: Bilbo: Like many other posters on here, whilst I do love & admire Ian Holm as an Actor & would love to see him go around as Bilbo again, - also agree with many that He would be physically unable to pull it off - even if willing & even if makeup & FX were used ! Tho' the continuity with LOTR films is a good argument to keep him ! -tough decision. Unimpressed

I agree with a poster elsewhere in Blogosphere who mentioned Sylvester McCoy from Doc Who fame ! Well Done !- he's exactly who I thought also -as soon as I saw the photo for Martin Freeman ! Also I agree that Mr.Freeman may have disqualified himself, for same reasons as other poster stated. Frown

I truly believe that the character of Bilbo should be played by an English / British Actor !
No Offence to others - & not being racist - but only from POV that Prof.Tolkiens works are English - /Anglo/Celtic/Nordic - in Mind-set & therefore almost require the actor to be British, so as to express it properly !

Another Contender I would also promote would be, Martin Shaw (The Professionals fame) - he would make a worthy choice Smile - if not for Bilbo - then love to see him involved Somewhere - esp since he Did a Great Narrated CD Audio version of the Hobbit ! Perhaps possible as Smaug as Others Have Noted.

Others on Blogosphere mentioned Orlando Bloom as Thranduil - non-issue -I don't see anybody (or few) talking about him for that role anyway ! - I don't think it would work - needs someone Older & More Regal - but for Legolas: Definitely Orly has to Return - even if as cameo !

Other Elves: Virtually any Actor with Nordic looks or any Norse who can Act in English !
& as for Brad Pitt - sorry - No Way ! He can Act - but just doesn't fit for that Role ! & definitely NO bloody George Clooney involvement - at all! - I can't stand his smarmy smug style ! - bad choice ! Actually, In-the-main, the Less Americans the better ! - Frown

Although Johnny Depp, anywhere would be great ! - esp as Thranduil - or even Ralph Fiennes, - & Jason Isaacs, good choice but would end up looking too much like Lucius Malfoy !, sadly - but which He did brilliantly !

For Bard: I'd go for: Jim Caviezel; Hugh Jackman; & Gerard Butler - in that order! - Also David O'Hara - as noted here at TORN is also a worthy contender.

Rodrigo Santoro - Great Choice for Smaugs voice - Hooray ! or even Vin Diesel -but without heavy US accent !
& throw in Martin Shaw or even Clancy Brown (great contender) - however not being English goes against him.
Agreed that the Accent issue is Significant - as Shippey has written !

Ron Perlman: yes for Thorin ! or even Johnny Depp. Many Others could be just as good or better tho'.

Beorn: Is a tough one ! - how about Liam Neeson at a pinch ! or even Brendan Gleeson - or even one out of the box (tho he prob wouldn't do it) - Mel Gibson ! Laugh - he's Old Enough - & Rugged Enough !

Dwarves are bloody hard! - at first - but Maybe: Brian Cox; Brendan Gleeson; Sorry- not a fan of Stephen Fry! Frown

But throw in any other stocky Celtic/Anglo or Nordic Actors that look great in makeup & Beard ! - or How about David O'Hara (Braveheart fame - "It's MY Ireland"!) Laugh - great as a Dwarf with Comic Value ! - Actually the more Comics as Dwarves the better ! - except Robbie Coltrane -sorry - will be too much like Hagred !

As Usual - John Rys Davies Could Play Gimli's Father - Gloin - with a change of makeup ! - Goin' Off !

Aragorn / Viggo Issue: could be resolved with relative unknown 10yr old Boy for 1st Hobbit Movie (or how about the Kid who played ELDARION in LOTR ROTK! -pretty good choice if I do say so myself!) Cool

- but then for 2nd Movie - with Viggo as Aragorn to play during LOTR Time - but in a Flashback / Remembrance scene (say with Gandalf/Elrond/Galadriel) going back to The Hobbit Days ! or something similiar - Difficult to work, I know - but could work if Included perhaps near the start / end of the PROLOGUE to the HOBBIT !! Maybe Viggo (as Aragorn) could voice-over the Prologue - if Gandalf or Elrond or Galadriel doesn't do it !

All Other LOTR Actors to Remain Same ! (with hopefully Cameo Flashbacks or even Flashfwds - if possible ! - for other difficult characters who aren't in the Hobbit !

And to all the Tolkien Purists, who don't want Non-Hobbit Book characters to show up in the Movie, yes In general I agree with U, but with these movies - esp with the 2nd so-called 'bridging movie' – We need to work them in somewhere - esp with Appendices concept - in spite of possible Legals & Rights issues.

Anyway - Can't wait - No Matter what happens - It's gonna be Freakin' Huge & Orgasmic Eye & Ear Candy ! Laugh

ps.... I hope Somehow Peter Jackson could also do the adaptation & movie/s of the SILMARILLION ! - difficult I know - but damn worth a try ! Could be another Trilogy for the Future ! - just a thought ! :-) Cool


"All Men Fear What They Do Not Understand, & Hate What They Can Not Conquer!"


Celtic Pyr8
Registered User


Mar 1 2008, 4:10am

Post #196 of 203 (440 views)
Shortcut
Good Choice ! [In reply to] Can't Post

Hey Lippy,

Great Idea for Michael Hurst as a Contender for Bilbo ! - he didn't occur to me - as I didn't thinks he was still acting !
I Loved Him in the Hercules / Xena Series ! Laugh

"All Men Fear What They Do Not Understand, & Hate What They Can Not Conquer!"


Ermanatar
The Shire

May 5 2008, 5:18am

Post #197 of 203 (439 views)
Shortcut
David Bowie, Martin Freeman!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

I would definitely have to agree with you. Peter Jackson has shown an incredible ability to find relatively unknown actors who seem to jump out of Tolkien's pages. I trust him to the end. Having said that, I WOULD like to see a few familiar faces. I love the thought of David Bowie as Thranduil. The film NEEDS someone with that commanding presence; someone old, otherworldly and wise, like the performance Hugo Weaving gave to Elrond. I really like Martin Freeman as Bilbo, too.

I can't remember the actor's name, but he played Menelaus, King of Sparta in Troy. I thought he would make a GREAT Thorin Oakenshield. If not Thorin, then at least ONE of the dwarves. I like "Mr. Gibbs" from Pirates of the Caribbean as a dwarf, too.


Ermanatar
The Shire

May 5 2008, 5:52am

Post #198 of 203 (426 views)
Shortcut
David Bowie, Martin Freeman, Brendan Gleeson, Kevin R. McNally!!! [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
I just found the actor's names. Brendan Gleeson (whose name I've seen mentioned on the forums) and Kevin R. McNally. Wouldn't they make some great dwarves???



(This post was edited by Ermanatar on May 5 2008, 5:54am)


jp27300
Registered User

May 15 2008, 1:59am

Post #199 of 203 (392 views)
Shortcut
Alan Rickman [In reply to] Can't Post

I would have to agree on Alan Rickman. His voice is much too high for Smug, but that is easily taken care of with sound editing and the like. However, I think his tone and inflections are and would be perfect. While his voice is recognizable, I think not so much as for its sound, but for the accent and tone. But he still maintains an old world voice to him. His voice is somewhat Chameleon like I think.

Check out some of his work at: http://www.alanrickmanonline.net/soundgallery/ARsounds.html

To see what I mean.

I think he would be a great addition to the movie.


JP



In Reply To
It seemed to me that for most of the past fourteen months or so, Alan Rickman had been repeatedly suggested here as the voice of Smaug (and not by me, this is just something I noticed) but lately he's vanished from people's radar. Any guesses as to why?



jp27300
Registered User

May 15 2008, 2:06am

Post #200 of 203 (402 views)
Shortcut
Stephan Root [In reply to] Can't Post

Stephan Root as one of the dwarves?

He's a great actor.


tattooed_dwarf
Rivendell


May 29 2008, 9:13pm

Post #201 of 203 (344 views)
Shortcut
Heres our Goblin King [In reply to] Can't Post

Danny Webb would be great, he's great actor and would be great for that part.


Uruk-Hai
The Shire


Mar 3 2009, 1:55pm

Post #202 of 203 (313 views)
Shortcut
Jim Carter (John Faa from The Golden Compass) as Bombur [In reply to] Can't Post

I've submitted this suggestion on the Official Hobbit Blog earlier this week and would like to get TORNs thoughts...Jim Carter would make a mighty fine Bombur!
Attachments: mrs_beeton6_gal.jpg (13.4 KB)


Dudgied
Registered User

Nov 3 2009, 9:55pm

Post #203 of 203 (620 views)
Shortcut
Voice of Smaug [In reply to] Can't Post

Ian McShane would be great as Smaug. He's got experience too voicing Ragnar Sturlussonn in the Golden Compass and also the big bad Tai Lung in Kung Fu Panda. I do like the idea of Patrick Stewart or Anthony Hopkins too!

 
 

Search for (options) Powered by Gossamer Forum v.1.2.3

home | advertising | contact us | back to top | search news | join list | Content Rating

This site is maintained and updated by fans of The Lord of the Rings, and is in no way affiliated with Tolkien Enterprises or the Tolkien Estate. We in no way claim the artwork displayed to be our own. Copyrights and trademarks for the books, films, articles, and other promotional materials are held by their respective owners and their use is allowed under the fair use clause of the Copyright Law. Design and original photography however are copyright © 1999-2012 TheOneRing.net. Binary hosting provided by Nexcess.net

Do not follow this link, or your host will be blocked from this site. This is a spider trap.