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Maciliel
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Oct 4 2013, 7:39pm
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just some comments about comments
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i absolutely acknowledge any poster's right to post negative comments about the appearance of a celebrity / actor / etc., as long as they are in accordance with the boards rules of conduct.
having said that, i'd like to offer counterpoint to negative comments that i frequently see on the boards. things like... someone is ugly or weird-looking or... well, i'm sure you've seen plenty of examples.
it really disheartens me to see posts that disparage someone's physical appearance -- including the ones that critique beauty and try to assess who is more "perfect," who is more "beautiful," "better-looking." this seems a fool's errand, and also a poisonous one.
aside from the ridiculousness of judging someone by that person's appearance in such a superficial way, beauty and appeal are of course very variable. what one person does not find appealing, another might. also, as we grow and experience life, we appreciate our fellow human beings more, and aren't so straightjacketed to think only certain forms are worth being admired.
i'm trying not to be too specific, because i don't mean to single out any poster in particular.
i just want to go on record to say that it would be a step in the right direction to making the world a better place if we didn't belittle other people's looks, and set ourselves up as judges on the appearance of other human beings.
thanks for listening.
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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Oct 4 2013, 8:13pm
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I think you make worthwhile points, Maciliel.
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BTW I've moved this to the Feedback board as it's the best place for this discussion. :)
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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Maciliel
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Oct 4 2013, 8:19pm
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...'tho, just to say, i was speaking more to my fellow posters than to those who manage the boards (which i associate with feedback).
thanks for all your efforts, in general.
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Maciliel
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Oct 4 2013, 8:52pm
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[magpie]
btw, I agree completely with your post. I can only say very little... or lots and lots on the subject matter.
I'm going with 'very little'. Lately, I'm been working on keeping my mouth shut. [/magpie]
hah! magpie, i know exactly what you mean.
btw, re my avatar, i've been switching them out, willy-nilly to suit my mood. i've been eating poetry on toast points a while, but there have been many variations preceding that.
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Maciliel
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Oct 4 2013, 8:55pm
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i didn't know there was a st. magpie.
one learns something new every day.
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Darkstone
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Oct 4 2013, 9:01pm
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Some people are just stuck in Junior High.
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Some people talk about ideas, some people talk about things, and some people talk about other people.
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I met a Balrog on the stair,
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Maciliel
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Oct 4 2013, 9:06pm
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and some people eat other people
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but that's pretty much in october, when the walking dead is on amc.
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Starling
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Oct 4 2013, 9:11pm
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because you are so stunningly attractive. I am going to get a hat just like yours.
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Starling
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Oct 4 2013, 9:16pm
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For over 20 years, I have been working alongside people who are always going to be at the very bottom of the heap when it comes to conventional ideas of what is attractive.
I have found more beauty in them than I could ever put into words.
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Maciliel
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Oct 4 2013, 9:23pm
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starling, +exactly+.
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Darkstone
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Oct 4 2013, 9:28pm
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He was young, buff, and had a six-pack when he wrote LOTR, right? I mean, if he was middle-aged and all rumpled and wrinkled why on earth would anyone ever make a website about him?
(And that's not my hat, it's my cat.....)
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He had some wings that weren't there.
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Darkstone
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Oct 4 2013, 9:31pm
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The taste of Soylent Green.....
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...varies from person to person.
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Darkstone
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Oct 4 2013, 9:33pm
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Some of the ugliest people I ever met were extremely good-looking.
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Oct 4 2013, 11:03pm
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I'm going with 'very little'. Lately, I'm been working on keeping my mouth shut. This. Sooo much this! For weeks. :/
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Starling
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Oct 4 2013, 11:09pm
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wish that both of you would open your mouths, because I would like to hear what will come out!
I feel deprived. 
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Starling
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Oct 4 2013, 11:19pm
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seems most appropriate in light of this conversation.
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Magpie
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Oct 5 2013, 2:21am
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While one can pretty much say what they like ...
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about any person connected to the movies, one cannot say much at all about any member of the boards. That's the rules. I can 'debate' a point but sometimes, the *point* being debated isn't what I want to talk about. I want to talk about how we are behaving. About the tones we take and the words we choose. I can't really address that without straying too close the guidelines.
I'm not complaining. The rules exist for a reason and I think they're good reasons. But I can't open my mouth and pretend to want to talk about anything but what my brain is screaming. And my screaming brain will get me in trouble.
LOTR soundtrack website ~ magpie avatar gallery
TORn History Mathom-house ~ Torn Image Posting Guide
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Kelvarhin
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Oct 5 2013, 6:58am
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Bag ENZ Home of the Hobbit *with thanks to cameragod ;D*
 
One by one they faded, and fell into shadow...
One book to rule them all
One book to find them
One book to bring them all
And in TORn bind them
In the land of TORnadoes...where the brilliant play
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Starling
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Oct 5 2013, 8:12am
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Just say the word and I'll go all sweary-Starling, just for you. 
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Starling
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Oct 5 2013, 8:13am
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Totally.
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Kelvarhin
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Oct 5 2013, 9:17am
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Now that's something I'd love to see.
But you don't have to just for me birdie, kinda like having you around  
Bag ENZ Home of the Hobbit *with thanks to cameragod ;D*
One by one they faded, and fell into shadow...
One book to rule them all
One book to find them
One book to bring them all
And in TORn bind them
In the land of TORnadoes...where the brilliant play
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Oct 5 2013, 4:53pm
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Especially when it could be boiled down into small bites like:
"Way to encourage discussion!"
"Could you BE any ___ [ruder/more juvenile/more condescending/ judgmental, etc.] ___?"
"Are you always this big an ass?"
[Your Argument is Invalid meme]
"Show your arse in public like this often?"
"Wow. Is your TV picture as black & white as your thinking?"
"Grow the heck up."
"I have two words for you: _____ _____."
[rude acronym or initials]
and anything more wordy and polite would likely just be a waste of my time.
Muttering, rolling my eyes, and working the mouse instead of the keyboard is the only solution that works for the boards. Sometimes I just wait for Darkstone to show up. He seems to know juuuuuust exactly where the Admins have drawn the 'acceptable level of snark - too much snark' line that I'm always afraid of crossing. =)
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Brethil
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Oct 5 2013, 5:03pm
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Eowyn, you made me laugh about Darkstone!
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because I confess I look to exactly the same thing...
I now have a picture of the Modar with the Snark-stick, in the sand, Jean-Luc Picard style: The line must be drawn HERE! Here and no further! (*with* SirPS elegant accent. Insert in mind.)
Is there a Tolkien topic that you have wanted to look into more deeply, and write about your thoughts on it? If so, we'd like to hear from you for the next TORn Amateur Symposium- coming in November. Happy writing!
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Bombadil
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Oct 5 2013, 7:13pm
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Bomby is pretty Burned OUT with some here.
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shouldn't name..Names though...
I was so feed UP 
Wondered if it possible to look at all the posts, since I'm sure about 90% are wrongHEADED.
Wanted to a PM
but luckily I found this Thread.
Some people go through Life...
"PREPARED to be disappointed?"
Often it reads Passive/Agressive
As well.
bomby loves TORn, & PJ's Movies and Tolkien's Books.
Life is Hard, just don't make it any harder.
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FaramirAndEowynMorningStar
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Oct 5 2013, 7:19pm
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Oh, I get it Bomby, don't be hasty.
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I know exactly who you mean! 
I was getting annoyed with said person too.
 ....."Loyalty, Honor,
......A Willing Heart.
I can ask no more than that."
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Ataahua
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Oct 5 2013, 7:25pm
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But wouldn't that just sound like a lot of loud chirping?
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Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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Altaira
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Oct 5 2013, 7:28pm
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Overly specific comments edited out
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It's great to let off some steam, everyone. Lets just not get too specific as to who you're letting steam off about or it doesn't take much to put 2 & 2 together and figure out who they are. *That* would be against the terms of service.
Thanks! 
Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.
"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower
"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase
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Altaira
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Oct 5 2013, 7:34pm
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I find myself thinking many of those very same things upon occasion. Sometimes I even say them out loud to the computer (when I'm not at work).
Feel free to let off steam here on Feedback any time; with liberal usage of _____ blanks, of course.
Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.
"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower
"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase
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Brethil
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Oct 5 2013, 7:42pm
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Yes, that whole post by Eowyn was great!
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And very good advice Altaira:
when stressed we can all hang here and talk relaxed-Martin-Freeman style... "I_______ saw the ______bus and _____ it ______ ______ ______ was ______late!"
(Wiping tear of hilarity and thought of entire thread like this.)
Is there a Tolkien topic that you have wanted to look into more deeply, and write about your thoughts on it? If so, we'd like to hear from you for the next TORn Amateur Symposium- coming in November. Happy writing!
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Maciliel
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Oct 5 2013, 7:59pm
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i will also add this irony.... the vast majority of people who seem to take such delight and authority in being the arbiters of the physical appearance of their fellow human beings would themselves fall very short of the exceedingly narrow standards of beauty to which they adhere.
i'm thankful to see a lot of like-minded responses on this thread, as it's been very frustrating observing this unkind (and sometimes cruel) behavior. nice to know i'm not the only one who is very much bothered by it.
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Oct 5 2013, 8:01pm
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In my mind, I often compose the posts I would like to write
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in response to stuff that makes my blood boil. They are great posts, full of wit, pithy observations, plenty of personal abuse and character assassination, and Olympic level swearing. Once I have done that, I then either: write the *actual* post, or nothing at all. It is usually the latter. When my blood is boiling that much, that's a sign it's time to step the ______ away from the ___________ computer, and remember that I am meant to be a grown up, _____ it!
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Maciliel
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Oct 5 2013, 8:03pm
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a little encouragement for bomby
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bomby, i just wanted to forward you a little encouragement and a little appreciation.
i so much enjoy your incredibly original and unique posting style. but it's not just your style, your thinking is also original, and i very much am appreciative of original thinkers.
i read your posts and they make me smile, because they are so brim-full of you and of the spirit of tolkien. thank you for being a bright spirit here, and spreading cheer and goodwill.
as you already know, the number of people here whose spirits are equally bright and warm and wise far outnumber the ones who seem to be on another path. we can be thankful for that, and acknowledge our fellowship.
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Brethil
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Oct 5 2013, 8:15pm
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Great ______ post Starling!!!!
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Yes. me too. Correct: at times its best to walk away come back and start again! And there are some topics I just *know* better than to click on so I don't!
BTW that talking starling clip is quite amazing. At least 80% of the time when we hear a very unusual call we ID it as a starling! (We have blue jays who imitate Hawk-alert-calls to scare other birds, and then the Starlings imitate the Blue Jays imitating the Hawk-scare and scare them...a lively bunch!)
Is there a Tolkien topic that you have wanted to look into more deeply, and write about your thoughts on it? If so, we'd like to hear from you for the next TORn Amateur Symposium- coming in November. Happy writing!
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Ataahua
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Oct 5 2013, 8:19pm
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And it's one way to find out what phrases you say most often around the house. My starling would probably say, "Where the freak are my keys?"
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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Starling
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Oct 5 2013, 8:24pm
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And I don't just say that myself.
When I lived very close to the central fire station, the local starlings were dab hands at imitating the station alarm, loudspeaker announcements, and fire engine sirens, as well as the various ringtones of the phones of those living nearby.
They were also very good at imitating a lot of other birds, most notably fantails. They often tricked me, but some of them gave themselves away with a tell-tale starling *gurgle* at the end of the 'fantail' song.
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Magpie
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Oct 5 2013, 9:19pm
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My thumb button is set to 'back' (as in, go to the previous window).
That thumb button is my last filter. I write it all.... think a moment... and hit that thumb button and walk away.
I could have hit immortal way sooner than I did if I got credit for all those posts I wrote then hit 'back'.
I wrote two, just this week that never got posted.
by the way, you wrote one recently I was really admiring. :-)
LOTR soundtrack website ~ magpie avatar gallery
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Starling
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Oct 5 2013, 10:15pm
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There must be a movie in there somewhere.
I wonder if Christopher Guest is available...
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Starling
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Oct 5 2013, 10:18pm
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Which is lucky, considering I had an unfortunate experience of it as a child! Have I told you that story?
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Starling
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Oct 5 2013, 11:25pm
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but I can't find the recording I am after. It is Denis Glover reading the poem himself.
When I was about 12, my teacher decided to play us the recording. Unfortunately it did not have the effect he wanted, as we all dissolved into hysterical laughter when we heard Glover reading the 'quardle oodle...' part, in a croaky, bird-like voice. And of course, he has to repeat it a number of times in the poem.
Our teacher got very cross, took the needle off the record and put it back to the beginning and said we must listen again from the start, without laughing. Of course, you will know what happens when you tell a bunch of 12 year olds not to laugh. We listened to that record a number of times, as the poor teacher got redder and grumpier.
He was actually a very good teacher, with a great love for poetry and literature, so looking back now I think he was terribly upset because he really loved the poem.
Thankfully, I had already been exposed to 'The Magpies', as well as some of Glover's others.
My mother loved his poem Threnody, which is another very well known one. She lived in the area described in the poem.
THRENODY
In Plimmerton, in Plimmerton,
The little penguins play,
And one dead albatross was found
At Karehana Bay.
In Plimmerton, in Plimmerton,
The seabirds haunt the cave,
And often in the summertime
The penguins ride the wave.
In Plimmerton, in Plimmerton,
The penguins live, they say,
But one dead albatross they found
At Karehana Bay.
Dennis Glover, 1964
Denis Glover was a colourful character. He founded The Caxton Press here in Christchurch, a very important publisher of creative writing. Later, he was famous for his drinking and generally dreadful behaviour. But he leaves a great body of work.
Oh look - we've turned this into a thread about birds and about poems. Nice.
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Magpie
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Oct 6 2013, 3:10am
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yah, hurrah TORn to find the light in the dark
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Your story reminds me of the scalloped potatoes put in front of my sister and I for three straight meals till we ate it. Don't eat scalloped potatoes to this day.
I glanced a little at Glover's story when I was checking out "The Magpies."
I hadn't heard the word threnody before. I suppose it's related to hymnody which I've seen used somewhere but I can't remember where.
I suppose Eowyn's dirge woud be a threnody, right? In which case, we bring the thread full circle. :-)
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cats16
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Oct 6 2013, 7:35am
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Enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts here.
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Though I didn't take part. It's always glad to know you're not alone.
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cats16
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Oct 6 2013, 7:37am
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Couldn't agree more with this post.
Keep on keepin' on, Bomby. Reading your posts is always a great pleasure.
Very well said, Maciliel.
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FaramirAndEowynMorningStar
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Oct 6 2013, 3:11pm
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His posts always are so unique and make me smile as I have to riddle out some of the things he's said.
*claps* Such a bright spirit online!
Three cheers for Bomby!
....."Loyalty, Honor,
......A Willing Heart.
I can ask no more than that."
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Lily Fairbairn
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Oct 6 2013, 6:23pm
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Can I join in the group hug, please?
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I just came over here to TORn looking for sane human beings because of an upsetting post by someone I thought was a friend on Facebook. Boy, did I want to respond! Boy, did I know I'd be stringing myself up if I did!
I spend way too much time brooding over this sort of thing, I'm afraid. Thank you, thank you, all you good-humored and friendly people here who can so intelligently and wittily take the edge off!
I don't contribute an awful lot to TORn these days. There's just too much going on for me to keep up with, mainly, although I, too, am disturbed by some of the negativity. And, after ten years here, I feel as though I've said my piece. But I'm here several times a day doing what I hope is quality lurking.
Take care of yourselves! 
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Starling
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Oct 6 2013, 6:46pm
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Have you just invented a new term? I like it. *waves*
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Lily Fairbairn
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Oct 6 2013, 7:17pm
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If anyone else wants to refer to "quality lurking", that's fine by me. But I think the best term invented recently is "modar". And I couldn't even tell you who came up with it. 
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Maciliel
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Oct 6 2013, 7:38pm
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modar.... 'twas i, lilyfairbairn! : ) glad you like. : )
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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Brethil
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Oct 6 2013, 10:28pm
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Glad to have you!
Sympathies on the unkind and upsetting FB stuff. I think that the mix of impulsivity plus lack of context and verbal cues can lead to hurt feelings at times. A risk of our electronic conversing!!!!
I know you didn't earn anything unkind.... Extra Big Group Hug for you.
At least you know you always have us. We may be nuts but hey, it makes the TORn-scape fun. I really like the quality lurking idea.
Is there a Tolkien topic that you have wanted to look into more deeply, and write about your thoughts on it? If so, we'd like to hear from you for the next TORn Amateur Symposium- coming in November. Happy writing!
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Brethil
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Oct 7 2013, 1:22am
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And there are some topics I just *know* better than to click on so I don't! One of my tactics is to check the boards on my ipod on which I'm not signed in. I can read but not post. I sometimes check things I know might irritate me on the ipod and I can vent without temptation to post. I actually spent 3 months or so -- in the somewhat recent past -- signed out completely and at all times. I was so annoyed and angry at what I was seeing that I had to take away any possibility of my posting a reply.
Sorry you had to take a bit of a 'leave' there. Whenever it was we missed seeing you. When in doubt come hang in the RR. Clever to use your Ipod that way.
Is there a Tolkien topic that you have wanted to look into more deeply, and write about your thoughts on it? If so, we'd like to hear from you for the next TORn Amateur Symposium- coming in November. Happy writing!
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Maciliel
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Oct 7 2013, 1:33am
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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Bombadil
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Oct 7 2013, 2:29pm
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Bomby WISHES someday to meet & Greet youALL
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It's a major reason for my final days
Bomby wants to open a B & B near Hobbiton.
Since many if not all would be visiting there
if you haven't already?
Bomby Wishes that maybe PJ & Richard Taylor
could get started a Goldberry's Wish Foundation
(A non-profit run by TORn)
Like that little girl with Cancer
people could be sent there to
while..awhile...some of their...Last ...Days
visiting the Shire.
This Image is becoming Clearer and stronger each day.
It seems it's what Bomby is SUPPOSED to do
with the time given to liil' Ol'me.
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Lily Fairbairn
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Oct 7 2013, 3:09pm
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(I see you still remember that comment!) and there's nuts in a bad way, which is what got me on Facebook. I've now set that person's posts to not show up in my news feed. At least it wasn't a personal remark that got to me.
I'd like to bottle and give away for free the civility of TORn. All hail the modar!
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RosieLass
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Oct 8 2013, 7:28pm
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Things have been very tense on Facebook (and elsewhere) lately.
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Even people who I thought were above snide snark have been saying some pretty ugly things lately.
And, darn my principles, I can't respond because, unlike some people, I care whether I offend people. Even if I do think they're ignorant _______s.
TORn is a haven, of sorts, although there are still those who take it far too much to heart that people don't agree with them on everything.
"BOTH [political] extremes are dangerous. But more dangerous are team fanboys who think all the extremists are on the OTHER side." (CNN reader comment)
It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)
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Darkstone
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Oct 8 2013, 8:39pm
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...a lot of my posts do end up moderated, and quite deservedly so.
BTW, some other boiled down responses:
"What a waste of electrons."
"I’m sure your unique and shocking perspective is almost as astoundingly original as what you got pierced this week."
"Unfortunately, I don’t have enough colored blocks and hand puppets currently available to explain it to you."
"Silly me, I was still under the impression that 'While you've made some good points, I disagree with you on some parts. Here's why' was the way adults held discussions."
"I’m kind of amazed that you are still able to type so legibly considering how far up your a$$ your head is.
(\ /)
( . .)
c(")(")
"You bore the bunny."
"Needs more cowbell."
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Darkstone
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Oct 8 2013, 8:45pm
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"Hope is the dream of a waking man."
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Zzzzzzzzzzzz......
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Darkstone
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Oct 8 2013, 8:48pm
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There's a whole long list of people I don't even bother clicking on anymore.
Definitely helps control my high blood pressure.
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Darkstone
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Oct 8 2013, 9:34pm
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...those people who glibly excuse their own crude rudeness as "just being honest, that's the way I am" then get their own knickers in a crying twist whenever the foot's in the other shoe.
The worst is the hyper-umbrage-taking, super-self-aggrandizing "Tolkein's [sic] greatest fan" who doesn't appear to have read the books too closely.
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I met a Balrog on the stair,
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RosieLass
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Oct 8 2013, 9:38pm
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I have nightmares about accidentally clicking the "Submit" button and then the computer crashes so that I can't go back and "Unsubmit." 
A lot of the stuff posted on Facebook is garbage, but I get a chuckle out of the names of pages that get shared. One of my current favorite page names is "When you read someone's post and think 'Oh, shut the ____ up!'"
I feel that way regularly.
"BOTH [political] extremes are dangerous. But more dangerous are team fanboys who think all the extremists are on the OTHER side." (CNN reader comment)
It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)
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Ataahua
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Oct 8 2013, 10:21pm
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Your second suggestion is a burn of beauty!
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
Ataahua's stories
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cats16
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Oct 8 2013, 10:29pm
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For Facebook I always end my browsing by looking at the Hobbit movie and PJ's profile pages--sometimes the actors, too. It's actually a great way for me to transition from RL things to TORn when I'm online. I guess there is some fluidity there, for me. Even if they haven't posted new stuff, at least it's something I enjoy.
Another strategy I've been using lately--which I'm quite fond of--is skipping the Facebook part of that process.
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Magpie
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Oct 8 2013, 11:40pm
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I truly don't understand how someone can make what they surely know is a provocative, snide, snarly, accusatory, etc. post and then call 'out of bounds' for any thing even approaching the same tone in response.
My thought lately has been about all the people "defending Tolkien" while using a completely aggressive and insulting tone. I wonder if they really believe Tolkien would approve of being defended in that manner. Especially when it's combined with poor spelling and grammar, lol.
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cats16
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Oct 8 2013, 11:57pm
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I just got done reading a long pun conversation, coincidentally enough.
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They're quite a hoot.
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Brethil
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Oct 8 2013, 11:58pm
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I truly don't understand how someone can make what they surely know is a provocative, snide, snarly, accusatory, etc. post and then call 'out of bounds' for any thing even approaching the same tone in response.
My thought lately has been about all the people "defending Tolkien" while using a completely aggressive and insulting tone. I wonder if they really believe Tolkien would approve of being defended in that manner. Especially when it's combined with poor spelling and grammar, lol.
I have thought both these things.
The joy I take is that for every such person there are so many people here who are bright, eloquent, witty and kind here on TORn; which makes me feel like this *is* the place for those who love JRRT. (Confession: I lack useful comparative Internet context perhaps because I don't go anywhere else except e-bird. But that's a choice too, I suppose.)
So thanks to all of *you*.
Is there a Tolkien topic that you have wanted to look into more deeply, and write about your thoughts on it? If so, we'd like to hear from you for the next TORn Amateur Symposium- coming in November. Happy writing!
(This post was edited by Brethil on Oct 8 2013, 11:59pm)
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cats16
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Oct 9 2013, 12:06am
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The joy I take is that for every such person there are so many people here who are bright, eloquent, witty and kind here on TORn; which makes me feel like this *is* the place for those who love JRRT.
I try to lurk in the RR when my eyes need to go to another spot on the boards. It's a beautiful atmosphere in there, IMO. Listening (well, reading in this case) is very fun. I learn something new everyday from a poster there.
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Magpie
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Oct 9 2013, 12:14am
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and you'll find the worst of the worst there. But there's a handful of good hearted, well spoken, well read Tolkien fans on the LOTR movie boards. They are great people. When I was signed out of TORn, oddly enough, I was having really satisfying conversation there.
There is almost no moderation so when someone wants to be trollish they gets to be. But there's an ignore button that works like magic.
The Hobbit movie boards, being more active, are more mixed.
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Brethil
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Oct 9 2013, 4:11am
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That you found a good-hearted bunch of Tolkien fans over there too.
Is there a Tolkien topic that you have wanted to look into more deeply, and write about your thoughts on it? If so, we'd like to hear from you for the next TORn Amateur Symposium- coming in November. Happy writing!
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cats16
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Oct 9 2013, 5:42am
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Looking forward to doing so! :) //
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Silverlode
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Oct 9 2013, 6:04am
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"The way adults held discussions".. that's, like, adult situations, isn't it?
We Modar have to edit ourselves, as well as editing others (sometimes quite reluctantly). The snark I have had to edit out of my own posts before hitting the submit button could fill a book: a long and highly exasperated book. People have sometimes asked what it takes to be a Mod - and while we usually don't reply with "The ability to reply calmly and politely when all you really want to do is reach through your computer screen and whap someone upside the head", it ranks high on the list of qualifications. 
Silverlode
"Dark is the water of Kheled-zâram, and cold are the springs of Kibil-nâla, and fair were the many-pillared halls of Khazad-dűm in Elder Days before the fall of mighty kings beneath the stone."
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Starling
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Oct 9 2013, 6:20am
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Oh, let's have a mods' true confessions thread
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It would be so much fun!
You start...
*ducks*
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dernwyn
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Oct 9 2013, 10:13am
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So true! I'm afraid that my monitor has an indentation where I keep bumping my forehead against it...
Darkstone does have that special "touch" which is perfect for the situation, doesn't he!  (I love the "bunny"!)
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Darkstone
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Oct 9 2013, 1:34pm
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Yes, a modar's job is *extremely* difficult. and it unfortunately makes them a special target of trolls.
Trolls will often share a common outside forum where they can post and link to their "victories". One type of "victory" that earns bragging rights among trolls is getting a modar on another site to lose their cool. (Yes, they do keep count and post statistics.)
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Dame Ioreth
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Oct 9 2013, 3:33pm
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posting a thread regarding Board Etiquette in the Reading Room because there was a feeling that newbies (like me at the time, and now again  ) were stayed in lurking mode due to the level of discourse and the fact that some of the Tolkien defenders were very... uh... defensive. Now me, I had already jumped right in, as a Tolkien novice, and started asking questions and giving my insights as a first (or second) time only reader and a lover of the movies. I figured all I could offer was a fresh viewpoint from someone who was still looking at the forest and hadn't started naming the trees. My etiquette thread basically asked if those on the board were bothered by the Pippenish newbies.
The good Reverend kindly replied that he was glad to have new insight, hoped we learned something because he had and if he ever made someone feel unwelcome we were to feel free to make rude comments about his children. Now there was someone who had his head on straight.
I love this stuff, but geez, if it becomes so much a part of my life that I have to get nasty to defend a point (?!) then someone please tell my hubby to drug my coffee and lock me up.
“Where there's life there's hope, and need of vittles.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings
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Brethil
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Oct 9 2013, 4:22pm
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I too have been in and out over the years.
And in the RR I think we should all be Pippins together, in light of the size and scale of what all we love to read!
Is there a Tolkien topic that you have wanted to look into more deeply, and write about your thoughts on it? If so, we'd like to hear from you for the next TORn Amateur Symposium- coming in November. Happy writing!
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Silverlode
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Oct 10 2013, 4:09am
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Sometimes they're not as subtle about it as they think they are.
Silverlode
"Dark is the water of Kheled-zâram, and cold are the springs of Kibil-nâla, and fair were the many-pillared halls of Khazad-dűm in Elder Days before the fall of mighty kings beneath the stone."
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Ethel Duath
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Oct 10 2013, 6:38pm
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They just defeat themselves, I think, like shrunken head collectors.
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Proud if they destroy. I think it's sadder for them than for us!
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Ethel Duath
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Oct 10 2013, 6:42pm
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Too bad it's not true--that would make one heck of a horror film! (The C&H, although Modaring might be a close second . . .)
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I stand so with you here Bomby!
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