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The Hobbit: the Desolation of Smaug Manual 2013
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DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 31 2013, 9:36pm

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Bain must be the eldest ... [In reply to] Can't Post

Since he became the King of Dale. Unless, of course, Dale do not have an equal opportunity monarchy bill and/or both his sisters died.

For the only reason the annual lists them that way, I'm guessing their age orders are Bain, Sigrid and Tilda (and, therefore, the images I linked to are arranged that way).

Although a deviation, I quite like the idea of expanding Bard's character. The problem with Bard (in the book) is that he appears out of nowhere. He has no backstory, and yet, is a major hero. Perhaps they will inject some Beregond and Bergil into Bard and Bain - that will be nice.

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droidsocket
Lorien

Aug 31 2013, 9:37pm

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So what you are saying..... [In reply to] Can't Post

So this is what you said....

"so we can agree to disagree. i see it one way you obviously see it another way obviously others see it BOTH ways. But it depends on whether you want to justify the book or Jackson. one is Tolkien one is completely made up."

A couple people now have given you a valid counter argument based on their interpretation of Tolkien's text. And your response is " But it depends on whether you want to justify the book or Jackson. one is tolkien and one is completely made up".

Non of these points had anything to do with what PJ is doing. There argument was examining the text as tolkien had read it.

I can only assume you think your interpretation is the True Tolkien. This is IN MY OPINION beyond narrow minded! And the reason I can't handle the garbage that comes from Fanboy Argument. Your interpretation of the text in no more and no less "Tolkien" then anybody else's!


Elizabeth
Half-elven


Aug 31 2013, 9:43pm

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About that subject line... [In reply to] Can't Post

These boards are really designed to be read in "threaded mode", so people are following a conversation. Many of us don't read every post. A subject line helps us identify which posts we want to read. It can be as simple as one word (e.g. "Agree!" or "Disagree!"), or a very brief summary of what you have to say. I often just start in on my response: for example, "The reason is that..."








Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Aug 31 2013, 9:58pm

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And the text can obviously be [In reply to] Can't Post

seen in several different way apparently.... I think its all in what the reader WANTS to see personally. Like I said myself and some others see it one way others see it a different way Which side of the fence you stand on is your choice. But the reality of the Hobbit film is that it is Jackson's made up scenario not the one from Tolkien. Jackson has gloated he is enjoying changing the material that was written. So no matter what the books text saays that is not what we are getting.


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Your interpretation of the text in no more and no less "Tolkien" then anybody else's!

I agree which is no less valid, I happen to know more people on many other forums who would agree with me as I'm sure anyone could say the same but many people and I am not talking this forum or any other in life in general see things the way they want to see them. When we should be seeing them in the light the author wanted them seen in. Which IMO the person that would know that best would be Christopher Tolkien

But the test of the book is open to interpretation as I have said numerous times which obviously people can't get over. Agree to disagree and move on


(This post was edited by sinister71 on Aug 31 2013, 10:05pm)


kbdiggity
Rivendell

Sep 1 2013, 4:23am

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I guess I really don't care at this point what Jackson does.



Awesome.

I hope this means you will stop being a wet blanket on every single thread on this message board since you no longer care what Jackson does in the upcoming movies.


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Sep 2 2013, 1:30am

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Translation [In reply to] Can't Post

get out of here, youre spoiling our fandom base fun.

Vous commencez m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


Michelle Johnston
Rohan


Sep 2 2013, 3:28pm

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Amroth & Nimrodel [In reply to] Can't Post

I have re read the section in Unfinished Tales and their "deaths" are left ambiguous though you can assume they both "die". The notion that Amroth is drowned is speculation as only the Elvish Mariners who departed middle earth knew precisely what happened.

My point is they are drawn to each other their relationship is affected deeply by the presence and incoming of evil and this leads them both on a journey which is ultimately tragic and this may apply to both pairs.

If Tauriel is invested with Glorfindel's prophesy that suggest the WK is at the battle of five armies representing Sauron and echoing the wars in the west of the 1970's. That exchange is tied up with Earnur but that also reminds me that the Witch King was based at Angmar so for him to lead the army to Erebor is not out of the question. A good deal will depend on how they play the BODG. Surely it should represent some kind of result for the White Council if so for the same protagonists to appear at the BOFA seems illogical and repetitive. For the audience to be aware that Sauron has merely with drawn is fine but for him and his agents to go to battle seems to overturn events that occur in the FOTR.

I suspect the film makers will show the rise of Sauron as a return to Mordor to build the Barad Dur rather than become involved deeply in the BOFA other than from a point of encouragement and influence. Their will be a big get at the BOFA and it will be the rout of the Orcs and Wargs and the death of their great chieftain which is why I am sure they are bigging up AZOG.

My Dear Bilbo something is the matter with you! you are not the same hobbit that you were.


Elessar
Valinor


Sep 4 2013, 11:23pm

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Got mine today [In reply to] Can't Post

Got it today all the way from the UK. Cool Pretty cool little book with some great bits of info that we've seen. Glad to add it to my collection.


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