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Dec 18 2007, 6:58pm

Post #76 of 273 (17491 views)
Certainly food for thought ... [In reply to] Can't Post

Gotta say, you make some good points. I too, prefer LOTR to The Hobbit. I tend to prefer the darker tone and more adult storyline. But there's always a big, fuzzy, warm spot in my heart for The Hobbit.

But I am a SMIDGE nervous about PJ making this movie. I think his impulses ... particularly those inclined toward the "comedic" ... can sometimes be problematic. ESPECIALLY as said impulses pertain to Dwarves. Hopefully Fran and Philippa can keep everything on the straight and narrow ... with the burping/farting/tossing gags kept to an absolute minimum. Hopefully "dignity" will be the watchword here.

(I would be FAR MORE nervous about Sam Raimi in this regard. His comic sensabilities are considerably hokier. Don't get me wrong, I love the Evil Dead movies ... but there's no place for that kind of corny campiness here.)

The "Bridge" concept is intriguing to me. Mostly because we really have no idea how this is going to work. There's a lot of material to comb through ... but can it hold together as a cohesive movie unto itself? Or will it be a feature-length series of theatrically exhibited DVD extras? I, for one, am fascinated to find out.

While ... yes, there is a chance it could end up being a complete vanity project ... in my mind PJ & Co. have certainly earned this opportunity!

"In Hollywood the screenplay is a fire hydrant. And there's a line of dogs around the block." -- Frank Miller

(This post was edited by BuckyUnderbelly on Dec 18 2007, 7:00pm)


Dec 18 2007, 6:58pm

Post #77 of 273 (16424 views)
true [In reply to] Can't Post

This is exciting! I went and inhaled some lunch quickly, and came back and theres 14 new posts! I think I'm going to go over to the store and get some sparkling grape stuff(?) and celebrate!!! I had started reading The Hobbit when I came home for Christmas break from college, now it is so much more exciting reading it with todays news!

Theres some good in this world, Mr. Frodo, and its worth fighting for.


Dec 18 2007, 7:00pm

Post #78 of 273 (18265 views)
Hmm . . . [In reply to] Can't Post

I think this is an interesting and entirely plausible theory. Though as you note, we have no indication of its truthfulness.

Even if some random person at New Line did in fact say this, it may or may not have any relevance to the latest negotiations by those who are actually doing the negotiating. In a big company like New Line, I wouldn't assume that anyone in the company necessarily knows what's going on in another part of the company.

N.E. Brigand

Dec 18 2007, 7:01pm

Post #79 of 273 (17725 views)
"The Silmarillion" isn't available to film. // [In reply to] Can't Post


We're discussing The Lord of the Rings in the Reading Room, Oct. 15, 2007 - Mar. 22, 2009!

Join us Dec. 17-23 for "At the Sign of the Prancing Pony".

N.E. Brigand

Dec 18 2007, 7:03pm

Post #80 of 273 (17404 views)
"There's a lot of material to comb through" [In reply to] Can't Post

What would you like to see them use?

We're discussing The Lord of the Rings in the Reading Room, Oct. 15, 2007 - Mar. 22, 2009!

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Grey Havens

Dec 18 2007, 7:04pm

Post #81 of 273 (18614 views)
Some new info... [In reply to] Can't Post

... (or should I say "alleged", since it has not been confirmed) from a poster over at TORc:

Lidless said:

Well, just got of the phone from my sauce at Newline, who I'm happy to say is now much higher up the corporate ladder.. I can tell you the following:

1 PJ and Bob Shaye have come to an agreement over their royalty battle.

2 PJ and Fran Walsh it seems will have little if no input into this and are just lending their names. The director and the screenwriters have not been chosen. It's possible they might be the scriptwriters or have script supervision, but it's unlikely, albeit possible.

3 No cast/cameo decisions have been made whatsoever, though they expect to be talking to Ian McKellen between now and the end of January.

4 No decision has been made as to the tone of the movie, given how The Hobbit is more 'child-friendly'. The choice of director should be a clue.

5 Neither has any decision been made between 2D and 3D..

6 The entire Hobbit will be contained in the first film. The sequel will tie the end of that movie with the beginning of LOTR.

Interesting, if this is true... if they do make the Hobbit in one movie and the second one as a tie-in, what would they call it? The White Council? I would LOVE to have a second movie showing all the stuff that happened behind-the-scenes of The Hobbit and events between the Hobbit and the War of the Ring... Aragorn as Thorongil in Rohan and Gondor... Ecthelion... The White Council, of course... Gandalf's trip into Dol Guldur... more backstory of how Sauron came to be the malevolent b*****d we love to hate... an extended battle of the Last Alliance (they could finally use all those Gil-galad & Elendil shots they had to cut out of both fighting Sauron)... Imagine! All those lovely extras Peter has stashed away in the vault... it would certainly be much better to have them inserted into a new movie than have another extended edition of LOTR DVDs.

*rubbing hands gleefully*

I didn't think I would feel this excited (especially considering a whole movie full of shortstuffs bobbing along without some separate Long Leg people to keep me from feeling like I'm watching Snow White is not my idea of fun)... but I'm starting to get into the spirit! Smile

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Dec 18 2007, 7:05pm

Post #82 of 273 (18396 views)
Happy Dance ! [In reply to] Can't Post

Just when you thought the ride was over! HA! This is the best news ever.

The Shire

Dec 18 2007, 7:08pm

Post #83 of 273 (19417 views)
A silly Idea.. [In reply to] Can't Post

Well, we have The Hobbit.

As for the Sequel, maybe this is just me, but I wouldnt mind having some of the back story filled in prior to LOTR...

something like perhaps The White Council...or a chance to go into the story of the elves like Glorfindel, and how Aragorn came to be.. a chance to get more backstory that could be taken from the other books...

honestly..just reasons to get the original group back together one more time...I wouldnt think it would be that hard to get that group to do another 2 or 3 years of filming..lol..

The Shire

Dec 18 2007, 7:09pm

Post #84 of 273 (17138 views)
looks like [In reply to] Can't Post

your faith has been rewarded, gramma. And the hopes of many many many too.

I didn't think it would happen this soon. I sort of thought I would be a 70 year old fangirl standing in a lineparty some day in the distant future.

Tis a very lovely announcement at a particularly (LOTR) historic time of year.


The Shire

Dec 18 2007, 7:15pm

Post #85 of 273 (18879 views)
I noticed the absence of NZ too [In reply to] Can't Post

It rather worries me. Then again...it's far too early to worry. Now is the time to celebrate!

It seems logical to most of us, I suppose, that ME continue to be in NZ, but I wonder if PJ will have to bend to Hollywood druthers this time around. Surely he's got to be in a better position to call his own shots then he was last time. Of course, such comments assume he wants to film in NZ again, but it's hard to imagine he wouldn't.

Arwen's daughter

Dec 18 2007, 7:15pm

Post #86 of 273 (19310 views)
*sigh* [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for that, diedye. Looks like we're still waiting, then.

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Dec 18 2007, 7:23pm

Post #87 of 273 (16944 views)
It all depends ... [In reply to] Can't Post

... on what's legally available to them.

There's so much I'd love to see in the Bridge movie (especially given what will surely be more of Weta's astounding creature, location and costume design work) ... but honestly, I'm not enough of a scholar of the books to know what they can actually use.

I love the notion of the rise of Sauron and the White Council material ... but is that enough to hang a whole movie on?

Because I don't think I need to see is a movie filled with nothing but character origins. (That's what Phantom Menace was, and we all saw how that turned out!) Where characters come from isn't nearly as interesting as where they're going. It's like getting a long first act of a play and never getting the climax and conclusion. If they can weave together a satisfying narrative from the various bits and pieces, then more power to them. But if it's just two and a half hours filled with trivia ... well, that stuff's best left for DVD extras.

I can't wait to find out!

"In Hollywood the screenplay is a fire hydrant. And there's a line of dogs around the block." -- Frank Miller

Mrs Baggins
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Dec 18 2007, 7:28pm

Post #88 of 273 (17839 views)
There is hope and it is not a fool's hope! [In reply to] Can't Post

I am too happy to even stand myself! I've gone all Hobbity and the groans of my long suffering family and friends are audible from here. They thought it had all faded away at last. More moots! More line parties! More concerts! More gatherings! More STUFF!

"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us" Heart

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Dec 18 2007, 7:30pm

Post #89 of 273 (17660 views)
Jack Black Playing Bilbo [In reply to] Can't Post

Ever since Jack Black teamed up with Peter Jackson for King Kong, I have had a strong hunch that he would be playing Bilbo Baggins.

"Live Free or Die, for Death is not the Worst of Evils."
John Stark

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Dec 18 2007, 7:30pm

Post #90 of 273 (16396 views)
Well, I'm not "in hysterics", Xo, [In reply to] Can't Post

as you put it on the home page. Just sitting here having lunch. ;o)

It's good to know the studios intend to make a Hobbit movie in the near future. Yet there's little in the press release to give us much of a clue as to what the films will be like. I think we've speculated on the rumors here before that Jackson will produce, and we've come to the conclusion that it can mean a great deal or very little.

While I mostly liked what Jackson did visually to bring Middle-earth to life there were many changes to plot and characters that I disliked. So, even if we hear he will do some directing and writing, I still don't know if I'll get unusually emotional about it. I will watch it with interest, though.


Formerly known as GaladrielTX


Dec 18 2007, 7:31pm

Post #91 of 273 (16167 views)
? [In reply to] Can't Post

what does everyone mean by line parties?
I just went to the store and bought a candy bar to celebrate! Now I'm going to sit down and read of chapter of The Hobbit

Theres some good in this world, Mr. Frodo, and its worth fighting for.


Dec 18 2007, 7:34pm

Post #92 of 273 (16158 views)
VT, by "line parties" [In reply to] Can't Post

They are referring to just that: Parties started in line waiting for the movies to open.

There also have been line parties for book releases (( like the Children of Hurin )) and for the past DVD releases, I believe.


Dec 18 2007, 7:35pm

Post #93 of 273 (16607 views)
WOOOOO HOOOOOO! [In reply to] Can't Post

Its about time! I had a funny feeling that Zaentz jumping into the fray with a lawsuit of his own would have some kind of impact for the better!!
My personal guess is that PJ will wind up (A) getting to choose the director he wants to work with (and probably the 2nd, 3rd, etc.-unit directors as well) and
(B) that PJ will have a great deal of creative input on directing/creative decisions. I also am betting that he, Fran and Phillipa will write (and re-re-re write) the scripts for "The Hobbit" and "The Segue" films.
What a marvelous Christmas present for us fans!!
-ML aka D/p

"I am in fact a hobbit in all but size." - J.R.R.Tolkien

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Dec 18 2007, 7:38pm

Post #94 of 273 (17797 views)
"Lending their names" [In reply to] Can't Post

If this is true, that Jackson and Walsh are just "lending their names" to this project, will this be satisfactory to Ian McKellen, et al, as well as to the fans?
Nobody else on this thread has mentioned this, but there was a post on ToRN yesterday about Saul Zaentz suing New Line over a proper accounting of the receipts from LoTR. I wonder if PJ decided that Mr. Zaentz's lawsuit relieved him of the necessity of pursuing his own legal action?
Edit: I see labingi_maura and I had our minds on the same track, and he/she beat me by three minutes!

(This post was edited by thain_of_westfarthing on Dec 18 2007, 7:42pm)


Dec 18 2007, 7:40pm

Post #95 of 273 (17048 views)
Perfect timing! [In reply to] Can't Post

Hi Lily:

How, how did you know to plan your trip to coincide with this?

Have a wonderful time, and keep your ears open for any more news.

I am green with envy. Have a great trip! Sly

Barahli of Rohan

Westu Eomer hal!


Dec 18 2007, 7:42pm

Post #96 of 273 (17200 views)
I agree with everything [In reply to] Can't Post

you say. I'm happy, but I've never been sold on the two movies deal. I just want one really good Hobbit movie.


Dec 18 2007, 7:45pm

Post #97 of 273 (16798 views)
fun [In reply to] Can't Post

nice line parties sound fun!
I wonder if they will make The Hobbit into 2 movies, and not really be a sequel?

Theres some good in this world, Mr. Frodo, and its worth fighting for.

The Shire

Dec 18 2007, 7:46pm

Post #98 of 273 (17693 views)
Considering.. [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To
I'm no fan of Jackson's work, but there's no need to jeer at gramma's enthusiasm. Why not, in response to the root thread, explain why you feel this way?

how much I dislike the Lord of the Rings movies (I think they're horrible translations of the books, not in the spirit of Tolkien at all) and even King Kong was horrible, I'm not the least bit happy about this news. So considering my heavy dislike of the movies and PJ more specifically, and to see so many people jumping for joy thinking its the best thing ever, is frustrating.

But then again the alternative, Sam Raimi isn't any better.


Dec 18 2007, 7:48pm

Post #99 of 273 (17037 views)
what? [In reply to] Can't Post

how can anyone not like the Lord of the Rings movies? Their amazing! In my opinion, the best movies of all time, for ever! what about them don't you like?

Theres some good in this world, Mr. Frodo, and its worth fighting for.


Dec 18 2007, 7:49pm

Post #100 of 273 (16562 views)
What about Alan Lee, John Howe? [In reply to] Can't Post

It was hard for me to see all the changes from the books, but I excepted them, because the look and feel of Meddle-earth was so real and their vision was much better than my own. The movies would not have been anything near as great as they were without Alan Lee and John Howe. Their posters and art work were pinned to the wall as Pete, Fran and later Philippa wrote the scripts.

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