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jtarkey
Rohan


Mar 31 2013, 7:18pm

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I find this painfully true for AUJs case...Not so much for LOTR [In reply to] Can't Post

One of the things that bothers me most about AUJ is; not only did PJ deviate wildly from the source material, he also deviated wildly from the way he shot LOTR. Save a few bad changes, some of which were saved for the EE anyways, I understood the reason for the changes in LOTR. I don't blame the production for attempting to simplify a very complicated story. It worked out great, and produced what is arguably the best film trilogy of all time. However, they've done the exact opposite with AUJ. They're complicating a simple story...badly I might add. PJ also turned his back on miniatures, film, and outdoor sets, He also decided that OTT video game action was a better choice than gritty, realistic action. It's actually insane how much the man contradicts himself. If you listen to the commentary on LOTR, you could probably pick out at least 10 things where he does the exact opposite in AUJ.

Lets make an alternate universe for a moment. In this universe AUJ has the same plot points it had in the original. Azog is still there, Radagast, Necromancer and all. But let's say they simply execute it differently. I think it still could have been a great film, even with all the changes (as LOTR was). However, not only is the added story not what Tolkien wrote, It's also not good in cinematic standards. So for me, It fails on both ends. It fails as an adaptation, and as a film. It could be argued that LOTR also failed as faithful adaptations, but they succeeded as films.

Given how most good films have a fairly solid script, with a pre planned beginning, middle, and end, I can only gather that PJ and Co. were entirely unsure of how they wanted to make these movies. The film reeks of cut and paste editing, which makes sense seeing as they somehow managed to turn 2 scripts into 3. It seems as if they were totally confused throughout the entire production. The Irony is that this is their own fault. If they had just stuck to The Hobbit, the way it was written, this movie probably would have turned out a lot better.

I also want to second that comment someone made about the lack of "passage of time" shots. It almost feels like the whole film takes place over the course of 2 days. Rivendell has to be the biggest offender. The company was there for less than a day. I was expecting to see some sort of panning shots of people gathered around fires, taking rest and telling stories. Instead we get dwarves breaking tables, and an exposition heavy council scene.

I'm with sinister71, if you loved the film, that's great! I honestly wish I were you. However, I can't. I see way too many problems with it that I can't brush off just because I'm a fan of the LOTR films, and Tolkien. Not to say anyone else is doing that, but If I were to say I liked it, that's what I would be doing.

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"


Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Mar 31 2013, 7:23pm

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Amen [In reply to] Can't Post

and thanks I know my views aren't the most popular Wink


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Mar 31 2013, 7:26pm

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I suppose I am the prurience to your prudery. lol [In reply to] Can't Post


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I much prefer Middle Earth. But...not to get off topic to GOT...


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Elessar
Valinor


Mar 31 2013, 7:29pm

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I'm with ya [In reply to] Can't Post

If they skip that it's a major foul IMO.



tarasaurus
Rohan


Mar 31 2013, 7:34pm

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Lol [In reply to] Can't Post

Nah it's not so much that I'm a prude, my taste of the fantasy genre is that of what we see/read LOTR/Hobbit/Middle Earth, I'm not so ignorant to think that ya know...things don't go on in the background, but I like that it's not in the foreground like GOT is with vulgarity. Don't need it to tell a story, especially when it's THAT distracting.


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Mar 31 2013, 7:34pm

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Love me some prurience [In reply to] Can't Post

Wink

Vous commencez m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Mar 31 2013, 7:38pm

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Well [In reply to] Can't Post

the distraction is in the eye of the beholder.Tongue


Now, excuse me, while i go and prepare my soup for the next season of Vulgarity.

Vous commencez m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


tarasaurus
Rohan


Mar 31 2013, 7:43pm

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Hahaha [In reply to] Can't Post

Yeah yeah, whatever you say!! Haha!


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Mar 31 2013, 7:45pm

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Amen Brother! [In reply to] Can't Post

Lol. I LOVE my Rings. Yet don't think for a moment that seeing a hint more of Arwen in EE would have hurt my feelings a bit! Also, for everybody's information. . . Ain't no WAY all Beren and Luthien were doing was holding hands for THAT long a stretch alone together in the woods and wilderness. Just sayin.

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the distraction is in the eye of the beholder.Tongue


Now, excuse me, while i go and prepare my soup for the next season of Vulgarity.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Mar 31 2013, 7:46pm

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We are in total solidarity. [In reply to] Can't Post

Cool

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If they skip that it's a major foul IMO.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Mar 31 2013, 7:51pm

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Indeed [In reply to] Can't Post

Wink

Watching GOT in good company, may prove more fulfilling than just getting immersed in the wonderfull and back stabbing, real politik world of medieval Westeros ...Angelic

Vous commencez m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


tarasaurus
Rohan


Mar 31 2013, 7:52pm

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why of course... [In reply to] Can't Post

things happen and people get a little frisky in ME, but it's not all in your face, lol Tongue


Elenorflower
Gondor


Mar 31 2013, 7:55pm

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I understand your concerns [In reply to] Can't Post

one definately can't watch GOT with ones Great Aunt Mildred


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Mar 31 2013, 7:57pm

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Or ones siblings [In reply to] Can't Post

.....ahem.....


Tarasaurus : if you ever happen to see a movie called The Dreamers on your television schedule...just dont watch it...Tongue

Vous commencez m'ennuyer avec le port!!!

(This post was edited by Lusitano on Mar 31 2013, 7:59pm)


tarasaurus
Rohan


Mar 31 2013, 7:58pm

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LOL [In reply to] Can't Post

Very true. I watched the first season and read ~100 pages of the second book, but decided...I'd rather re-read the Hobbit. I do like Daenerys though. I don't like talking GOT because I know a lot of people who will talk about it for hours and I'm sitting there like....can we talk LOTR? But this is pretty much the only place (the forum) where I can talk LOTR/ME/TOlkien incessantly and it's okay Smile


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Mar 31 2013, 8:14pm

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Aha. I see what you did there. [In reply to] Can't Post

And I agree! lol. Funny, I often see your name as Lust iano. lmao

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Wink

Watching GOT in good company, may prove more fulfilling than just getting immersed in the wonderfull and back stabbing, real politik world of medieval Westeros ...Angelic


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Mar 31 2013, 8:17pm

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Yuck. I see what you did here too. And I DO NOT approve. [In reply to] Can't Post

Aww. . . gawww. Yes, I have seen the Dreamers. Still not as bad as those filthy heathens from Casterly. More Daenerys please. She is just one of the greatest dames since Galadriel. So Awesome, Such a boss, played by a WONDERFULLY cast actress. . . and not shy either Wink. And now, back to my issues with Azog.

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.....ahem.....


Tarasaurus : if you ever happen to see a movie called The Dreamers on your television schedule...just dont watch it...Tongue


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Elessar
Valinor


Mar 31 2013, 9:00pm

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Another virtual high five :-) [In reply to] Can't Post

 



Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Mar 31 2013, 9:08pm

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Ouch [In reply to] Can't Post

never realised my name could be decontructed to serve the dark will and creepy pervertness of some old geeser who doesnt ablute and wears a funny hat Tongue

Vous commencez m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Mar 31 2013, 9:10pm

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Lol. [In reply to] Can't Post

You forget, I can take other forms! lmao.

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never realised my name could be decontructed to serve the dark will and creepy pervertness of some old geeser who doesnt ablute and wears a funny hat Tongue


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Mar 31 2013, 9:11pm

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*high five accepted and met* [In reply to] Can't Post

Cool

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"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Mar 31 2013, 9:14pm

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Does anyone aprove? [In reply to] Can't Post

Angelic

Since i see them as twins and two parts of the same being, i dont worry much about them evil Lannisters. After all, twins have strange and deep bonds...


I agree about Daenerys. She is my team! GO D! Laugh

But last season there was no Qarthian gown!! Mad

Yes Azog, have i mentioned that when hes feeling his subjects face atop Amon Hen, you can very easily notice his CGIness and the other orc's obvious costume and make up. Like two different realities, there...


EDit : thankfully you cant take the form of a perky female shieldmaiden...Tongue

Vous commencez m'ennuyer avec le port!!!

(This post was edited by Lusitano on Mar 31 2013, 9:15pm)


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Mar 31 2013, 9:51pm

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Ahh, The Dragon Queen!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

I have sent you a present in thine message vault.

That scene didn't bother me so much. . . well, aside from it existing when he is dead. lol

Ha! Thankful for us both, I bet. lol

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Angelic

Since i see them as twins and two parts of the same being, i dont worry much about them evil Lannisters. After all, twins have strange and deep bonds...


I agree about Daenerys. She is my team! GO D! Laugh

But last season there was no Qarthian gown!! Mad

Yes Azog, have i mentioned that when hes feeling his subjects face atop Amon Hen, you can very easily notice his CGIness and the other orc's obvious costume and make up. Like two different realities, there...


EDit : thankfully you cant take the form of a perky female shieldmaiden...Tongue


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Michelle Johnston
Rohan


Mar 31 2013, 9:57pm

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Fascinating [In reply to] Can't Post


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all the made up stuff or changes to the story.

IMO an adaptation should tell you the story that is in the book, Peter Jackson has added a bunch of stuff not in the book because HE thought it was better not because it was Tolkien's lore, or it was from the appendices.(what he added is NOT from the appendices I read) He has, the Dwarves took exactly the same journey they did in the book. There are some interuptions which give the characters some thing to work off but its the first six chapters.

The Hobbit as a book even with the inclusion of the DolGuldur White Council subplot was at best 2 movies worth of material with being stretched thin... So which material would you have removed from AUJ. The huge irony of your remark is the substantial time elements were all book canon.

For those that loved or liked the film I'm glad you do I really am. But after reading Tolkien's books for decades I find it hard to over look the OTT made up stuff, I call nonsense, that seems just added to propel these films to Hollywood blockbuster status. Instead of simply making a great film adapted from the book telling the story of the Hobbit without rewriting a vast majority of it. I get it now, with a budget of 250,000,000 dollars he shouldn't have made a film for worldwide consumption just 10,000 people registered to one ring.net. So you are directing a movie which has to follow 3 of the biggest gross's of all time and you write a script for a tiny film faithful to the childrens story with no character depth except Bilbo. You really expect actors to travel to New Zealand to be bit parts in a film for 7 year olds. The Lotr is a great work of literature for any age group, what I do not get is how there is a group of people on this site that place the childrens book along side it. It does not even get close. Any film maker was going to embellish on the episodic book with its narrative collapse after Smaugs death and uneasy move to seriousness toward the end. Its a complete given that Peter Jackson would re imagine the book in the mode of the LOTR movies. You people do not have to like it nor the CGI or HFR or any other such stuff but not being able to get Peter Jackson modus operendi with these movies is a complete puzzle to me. To not like it fine but to not understand where he is coming from and understand his point of view when he has made clear his reasons for what he is trying to achieve is to have a one sided argument with yourselves.


I tried to save the shire , and it has been but not for me.

(This post was edited by Michelle Johnston on Mar 31 2013, 9:58pm)


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Mar 31 2013, 10:01pm

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Pray it is not a thorny present [In reply to] Can't Post

Tongue


Ha, actually i wished it wasnt there. I was in rivendell, with the elves and Bilbo...interruption for the sake of gorka morka, no no no.

I wonder if Saruman secretly , as he of the many colours, as a recreational endevour, changes into a beautifull elven maid and practices singing atop Orthanc...Laugh

Vous commencez m'ennuyer avec le port!!!

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