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All problems in AUJ are linked to the 3 movie decision.
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Elenorflower
Gondor


Mar 30 2013, 2:08pm

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I dont think anybody is complaining about [In reply to] Can't Post

those scenes. everybody seems to like the scenes in Bagend, I havent heard anyone call them tedious.

its all the rest thats tedious. when PJ deviates from Tolkien it gets cheesy and when they overuse cgi and greenscreen it gets plastic and fake, and when they use filler like Azog it gets boring and predictable.


Kirly
Lorien


Mar 30 2013, 2:14pm

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My sentiments exactly! Imagine that behaviour in the workforce. Gah! /// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Elenorflower
Gondor


Mar 30 2013, 2:28pm

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I think the OP [In reply to] Can't Post

has as much right to express his/her opinions as anyone else without sarcastic comments about their maturity.


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea

Mar 30 2013, 2:37pm

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Can't say i disagree [In reply to] Can't Post

as i agree that those are pretty big problems-- AUJ obvioulsy went through some growing pains in the jump from 2 to 3 films, and not all of those pains got resolved (especially Azog). But i still think that the move to 3 films was ultimately a good one. As for the pacing issues, i for one thought that the last third of the film felt rushed, lacking depth and character, with only Riddles in the Dark escaping unscathed. I can only imagine this being worse at 2 films, with both films feeling rushed.

I just feel(hope) that the move to 3 films might have hurt the first film the most (though not fatally), and it will actually benefit the next 2 films. They won't feel so crammed, just jumping from scene to scene with no room to catch our breath. And the growing pains of AUJ will have been worth it.

Besides, i'm fine with the first film in a six film series being the worst one. I'd much rather start with the "ok" one and then get better and better all the way to the end.


shadowdog
Rohan

Mar 30 2013, 2:42pm

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Suggest you wait [In reply to] Can't Post

until all three movies have been released before condemning the decision.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Mar 30 2013, 2:49pm

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Where is the sarcasm here?// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Magpie
Immortal


Mar 30 2013, 3:08pm

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I have no problem with opinions [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't understand demanding that something be done that - let's be frank and honest - can't be done, won't be done, and none of us here can expect to have any influence over.

It's the DEMAND... the oh god please... that baffles me.

I'm not being sarcastic at all. I am facing the same welling reaction (over not just one post but many over lots of venues and forums) I felt when two teenage girls were wrestling (seriously... wrestling) on the floor of a restaurant - after 15 minutes of throwing food at each other - and everyone in the restaurant, including the wait staff, ignored them. What? Sometimes, someone's got to stand up and say 'what!?'

If the OP had expressed their disappointment with AUJ... had expressed their belief that three movies was the cause of their disappointment... had expressed a wish that the movies could even now, be reedited to suit their tastes... I would never have made a response. They have a total right to feel those things and express them.

That's not what they did. They, over a series of posts, kept saying they were unhappy and only PJ rediting the film was the solution so IT MUST BE DONE! That was the whole point of their posts.

Be very clear on the difference between the two kinds of posts and expressions of opinions.

I would even have accepted the demand had it been a joke, an attempt at humor. Notice I asked for clarification. If it were humor, I'd go... okay. I get it. But it was not humor. They sincerely were making demands that might as well have been me saying, "Make This Snow Go NOW". I can want it. I can demand it. But I have no control over the snow and I know I don't. I might joke about it (actually, I do). But if someone thought I was being serious and asked.. I'd let them in on the joke.

You can be irritated with me all you want but I am still baffled at what the heck is going on with people. And sometimes, one's got to stick one's head out the window and say so.

And let me add this just to blow minds: I don't think it should have been three movies, either. I still think that how one expresses that opinion and to what goal one starts a discussion matters.


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(This post was edited by Magpie on Mar 30 2013, 3:12pm)


Elenorflower
Gondor


Mar 30 2013, 3:43pm

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here, [In reply to] Can't Post

'But if stomping your foot and demanding things (in public) make you happy then it doesn't violate the TOS and you get to do it. So, thanks for sharing it with us. I guess'


Elenorflower
Gondor


Mar 30 2013, 4:00pm

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I have been told many times on this forum [In reply to] Can't Post

that you can comment on the post but not on the poster.


Bombadil
Half-elven


Mar 30 2013, 4:02pm

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Agreed...what the OP fails to realize... [In reply to] Can't Post

Over 1500 people worked on this over a long time.
As Sir Ian McKellen said about 30 of the primary people
from LOTR were back.
As well, they were even more experienced
since many worked on King Kong,
TinTin, District 9, Avatar..and
other smaller projects...So

Bomby feels they know what they are DOING?


Elessar
Valinor


Mar 30 2013, 4:05pm

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The Internet [In reply to] Can't Post

I've noticed the demanding nature of fans on the Internet gets worse all the time. I think that's just how the world is anymore not just one nation. It's the demanding nature of people or the beating of a dead horse by some that gets old. The sad thing is its done in the guise of "expressing their opinion".



Loresilme
Valinor


Mar 30 2013, 4:46pm

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I don't think they would have been eliminated [In reply to] Can't Post

But I think they would have either been shortened, or the pacing - the leisurely, affectionate pace, which is really charming - would have been sped up.

I understand that the Azog storyline is not to everyone's liking, but until the entire trilogy is available to be seen in its entirety, it cannot be determined whether it's filler or if it serves a purpose.


Loresilme
Valinor


Mar 30 2013, 4:47pm

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They wouldn't have been [In reply to] Can't Post

But IMO, I think they would have either been shortened, or the pace would have been sped up.


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Mar 30 2013, 5:07pm

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good points [In reply to] Can't Post

i agree, although i wish the High Fells were on the AUJ EE because its going to have to be a flashback now because they are beyond the misty mountains, unless Gandalf travels back to Rivendell for another white council meeting and stops by the High Fells.


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Skaan
Lorien


Mar 30 2013, 5:16pm

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Azog was always planned [In reply to] Can't Post

Azog was always planned to be in the movie, regardless if it were 2 or 3 movies.

http://www.facebook.com/notes/peter-jackson/casting-news-for-the-hobbit/10150257180211558

Here you see PJ mentioning how they had cast Conan Stevens to play Azog, and that post comes from 2011. Whereas the decision to turn it into 3 movies was accounced in July 2012

So you can scratch that one from your list


Elenorflower
Gondor


Mar 30 2013, 5:25pm

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and I noticed that people on the 'internet' [In reply to] Can't Post

jump on the belittling bandwaggon without actually reading the OP's words. The OP did not at any point DEMAND, he or she actually said 'please dont make a trilogy' that is not a demand its a plea. and was immediately belittled and accused of not being a film maker therefore in no position to make such plea. its not people expressing their opinion thats the problem here its other peoples intolerence.


Glorfindela
Valinor


Mar 30 2013, 5:30pm

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You've got it right there [In reply to] Can't Post

That's why I don't engage in Twitter or Facebook. From what I've seen of them when directed to them to look at some piece of information the vast majority of the comments read as though they've been posted by idiots. I don't think such sites help people when it comes to developing their minds, and they have had a dumbing down effect on 'culture'.

And what is it with people constantly posting brief comments to say they don't like a particular film? It seems to me that such people are quite unhappy and wish merely to draw attention to themselves.

There are good things about the Internet, but the above sort of thing sure isn't one of them.

It would be best to wait to pass judgement on the three-film format for The Hobbit until all three films have been released. I, for one, am very happy about the decision, and do trust PJ.


In Reply To
.about 60% of the internet just sounds really crazy to me.



(This post was edited by Glorfindela on Mar 30 2013, 5:30pm)


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea

Mar 30 2013, 5:34pm

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I don't care if he was filler or not, or if he serves a purpose. [In reply to] Can't Post


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I understand that the Azog storyline is not to everyone's liking, but until the entire trilogy is available to be seen in its entirety, it cannot be determined whether it's filler or if it serves a purpose.

I just think he's a poorly concieved, written, performed, designed and executed character. And i can tell all that from the first film. I can only hope that one or more of those things improves over the next two films.


(This post was edited by sauget.diblosio on Mar 30 2013, 5:39pm)


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Mar 30 2013, 5:50pm

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Why [In reply to] Can't Post

question Sir Peter's judgement on this?

He was meant to direct these films.

Everything will make sense when all the films are out.

Trust PJ.

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Loresilme
Valinor


Mar 30 2013, 6:02pm

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We just disagree then [In reply to] Can't Post

"I just think he's a poorly concieved, written, performed, designed and executed character."
______________________

I thought the character design and the voice acting was effectively menacing.





glor
Rohan

Mar 30 2013, 6:04pm

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Film critics and Bag End... [In reply to] Can't Post

..Quite few of the critics accused the Bag End scenes of being filler, in fact of lot of the iconic taken straight from the book scenes were derided as filler and padding by film critics; Blunt the Knives, Misty Mountains, the Good Morning scene....Crazy


Elessar
Valinor


Mar 30 2013, 6:06pm

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Intolerance lol [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes, some fans will jump on any negative comment. That's also a sad thing about the Internet. I think people here as a whole have been very tolerant. If people weren't tolerant here I don't think 5k what's wrong with the hobbit threads. I do think at some point people get tired of reading the same negative posts by the same few people. It finally comes to we get it you don't like it for whatever reason.



Glorfindela
Valinor


Mar 30 2013, 6:15pm

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Not on any negative comment in my case [In reply to] Can't Post

I like constructive criticism I have some of my own. However, the same negative posts by the same few people do get tiresome. The limits of one's tolerance can consequently get rather stretched at times. (I have no idea why people feel the need to even visit the boards of films they don't like and waste time posting on them.)


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Yes, some fans will jump on any negative comment. That's also a sad thing about the Internet. I think people here as a whole have been very tolerant. If people weren't tolerant here I don't think 5k what's wrong with the hobbit threads. I do think at some point people get tired of reading the same negative posts by the same few people. It finally comes to we get it you don't like it for whatever reason.



Elessar
Valinor


Mar 30 2013, 6:26pm

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I agree [In reply to] Can't Post

I do as well. I welcome it actually. There are several member here who have made me think and really appreciate their pov. It does truly make for great conversations IMO. I'm with ya 110% with your post. :)



Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Mar 30 2013, 6:39pm

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Indeed [In reply to] Can't Post

it could even be a 10 hours season.

One of the episodes dedicated to Radagast and his bunnies fighting spiders and another on Azog and his personal struggle against the house of durin. Another on the necromancer ressurecting dead orcs and goblins and instructing them on torture workshops. Riveting.

Warners, make it happen.

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