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Altaira
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Mar 23 2013, 10:44pm
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UPDATE to the information below: we've been informed by Warner Bros. that we can't post any screen caps with any of our commentary. Sorry for any disappointment this may cause. We will strive, as always, to bring you the most detailed coverage we can within the constraints we have to work under.
As we pretty much all know by now, The sneak peak of the Desolation of Smaug, accessible with a code from the Hobbit DVD, will be airing Sunday, March 24 (tomorrow) at 3:00 p.m. EDT. As we also all pretty much know, copied videos will almost immediately start popping up on the internet. Warner Bros. legal department is going to be taking these down immediately and, to protect our site (which is all-volunteer and doesn't have the money for any legal battles) we'll be immediately deleting any videos, or links to videos, that crop up here.
The good news is that we've explained to WB that, as the premier Tolkien/movie fan site, we need to at least be allowed to post in great detail about it here (meaning the boards, the Home Page news and facebook), so they've agreed to let us do a detailed analysis and commentary on our Home Page, complete with screen captures. This should be showing up on the Home Page within a few hours after the sneak peak with a companion post made to this forum. They've agreed to let us do this on the condition that no video show up on our site, so we've agreed not to allow any.
Aside from our wish not to incur the legal wrath of any organization or company, we've always had a great embedded respect for copyrighted material and for those who produce them, whether they be studios, authors or artists. Part of this is due to having great relationships with many of them, and not wanting to ruin that, and part of it is because we feel it's the right thing to do. That's why any bootlegged video, pictures or screencaps of anything not yet officially available, etc., are deleted immediately.
Finally, remember that if you're unable to watch the sneak peek tomorrow, there will be a modified version on official Hobbit site. Other than that, stay tuned for our VERY detailed commentary tomorrow! 
ETA: PLEASE look for existing posts about the sneak peek before starting a new one.
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Ardamírë
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Mar 23 2013, 10:48pm
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But I can't wait for TORn's extensive report! Those are always good
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Lusitano
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Mar 23 2013, 11:06pm
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and what happens between fans....stays with the fans...
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 24 2013, 12:06am
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Looking very much forward to you detailed, in-depth analysis!
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 24 2013, 12:06am
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Thanks Altaira. Looking forward to it!
Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13
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Brethil
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Mar 24 2013, 12:09am
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Will be watching but looking forward to the discussions!
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LordotRings93
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Mar 24 2013, 12:12am
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Do I put it in now? I don't see anywhere on hobbit.com/sneak to put it. Or do I gotta go to a different site?
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ElendurTheFaithful
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Mar 24 2013, 12:12am
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bunch of bull. warner can do whatever they want. it will be all over the internet on sites like metacafe. they can delete it on youtube but not on the internet.
i think it's a disgusting money grab to force people to buy dvd because they know this time around people will be waiting for EE's and not double buy.
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 24 2013, 12:17am
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But sites like this shouldn't condone nor support that and there is liability in doing so. Many message boards, including this one, have strict copyright enforcement policies on posting and they should. It's not unique to WB. all they are saying is you can't link it or view it here. If someone chooses to illegally download, TORN can't control that. They can though control what is posted on their site which is a violation of copyright law.
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Elizabeth
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Mar 24 2013, 12:22am
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There will probably be a place for the code
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...at about the time the "Sneak Peak" starts, but not before.
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Roheryn
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Mar 24 2013, 12:40am
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I never cease to be impressed by the professionalism and high standards of ethics that go on behind the scenes here. And I love that TORn has such a great working relationship with PJ, Weta, WB, and other interested parties.
Can't wait to see the detailed analysis -- good on WB for agreeing to it -- I've got my fingers crossed to see the sneak peek live but knowing my luck, something will go wrong!
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 24 2013, 12:43am
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That TORN is able to work this out with WB and Jackson. Awesome. Can't wait!
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Kirly
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Mar 24 2013, 12:46am
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I agree with this comment and fully support this move by TORN.
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I fully support this respect for the laws of various countries and the respect for the ownership of the material/product.
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ByThorinsBeard
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Mar 24 2013, 12:54am
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Thank you for the update, Altaira.
As someone who used to publish a genre related magazine online and officially endorsed fan sites, I truly appreciate all the hard work TORn does to work with official channels. I look forward to the sneak peak tomorrow.
And completely agree with your post Roheryn.
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Mar 24 2013, 1:29am
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If the working relationship is that great........
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why don't we get to see the Sneak peek on this site?
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 24 2013, 2:01am
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a 3-5 minute sign in period before the video proper starts.
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Silverlode
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Mar 24 2013, 2:18am
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Everything to do with the movie belongs to the people who hold the rights. The sneak peek is something WB is putting on and will be shown on their site, as it remains their property. It is a DVD extra, though it is accessible from a site rather than the physical disc. It's up to the individual to decide if the offered package is worth spending the money to see.
They are allowing us to post screencaps and detailed analysis giving lots of details about this preview, which is something they would not normally endorse. But they are not giving it away for free, and we will not participate in the giving away of property which is not ours.
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Mar 24 2013, 2:22am
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just gives the website, so I imagine a login page will appear there tomorrow before the event.
Just to be clear, the TORN staff aren't involved in the event except as fans/journalists, so we won't be able to act as tech support for it. This is WB's show.
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Mooseboy018
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Mar 24 2013, 2:27am
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At least they'll show some of it on their website at some point. I'm still not sure when. But the thing that bothers me is the fact that the full event is live. I paid for the blu-ray and have my code. But because I'm busy tomorrow during the event, I won't get to see the whole thing that I technically paid for.
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Mar 24 2013, 2:34am
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There's no way to make a live, one-time happening convenient for everyone. At least they're going to keep the archived version available on the site for those who have codes.
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Mar 24 2013, 2:38am
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Sometimes things just don't work out for individuals,
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but for the wider fandom it can be pretty cool. It was pointless for me to try for the code because the broadcast is at 8am on Monday, when I start work, and there will be heaps of people for whom the timing doesn't work - but there will be so, so many people around the world who can make the broadcast work for them. Regardless of marketing and profit targets, it's a pretty fantastic thing for Warner Brothers to do, IMO.
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Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
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jimmyfenn
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Mar 24 2013, 2:39am
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agree, since when did WB control the world of middle earth!
i have been thinking of joining another tolkien site lately, as this one seems too film centric!
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 24 2013, 3:04am
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Well, the name of this forum *is*
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Movie Discussion: The Hobbit...
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SirDennisC
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Mar 24 2013, 3:09am
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Hey, long time! I trust you are doing well. Vaya con Dios.
To the thread in general: I remember experiencing a little disappointment with different LOTR products that contained bonuses (contests IIRC) that were only available in certain regions or at certain times. But you get over such things, eventually, you know?
This one is different in that it's basically an advertisement for an upcoming film... how is that a bonus exactly? Furthermore, unless it's complete DrOSs, it's in WB's interests that as many people as possible are able to see it. Marketing has taken a weird turn... or maybe I'm just getting old.
As Magpie said, thanks for the clearly stated guidelines.
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 24 2013, 3:18am
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Actually, for the movie, WB does control the rights. And this is the Hobbit Movie forum. But there are plenty of other forums here on this site where stuff not related to the movie is discussed.
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Mooseboy018
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Mar 24 2013, 4:18am
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But why make it live in the first place?
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That's what I don't understand. They could have just put it on the dvd/blu-ray itself. It just seems like they're over-complicating something that could have been simpler and more consumer friendly for no real reason other than the novelty of it being live.
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 24 2013, 4:22am
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PJ is hosting it live, he's taking questions from fans, and showing behind the scenes footage. It's a little more than your typical dvd extra.
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Moahunter
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Mar 24 2013, 5:49am
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..."it's a pretty fantastic thing for Warner Brothers to do, IMO".
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Really?
Its a marketing and money making ploy, nothing more, nothing less.
If it was meant as a generous gesture to fandom worldwide then it would be given for free.
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Elizabeth
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Mar 24 2013, 8:04am
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Check out other parts of TORn.
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There are lively and interesting discussions in the Reading Room, for example, where films are rarely mentioned!
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DanielLB
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Mar 24 2013, 9:49am
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Thank you Altaira and all the admins :-)
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A busy time for you, but I hope you get to enjoy the preview as well.
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Estel78
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Mar 24 2013, 10:22am
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It's a more interactive experience.
But i generally agree with you, they should have just put something on the bluray. I fear most (selected) questions won't be any good, anyway.
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DanielLB
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Mar 24 2013, 10:27am
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If it were just a live event, then I'd expect some rather boring questions
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But since this is specifically a DOS preview event, I fully expect questions only relating to DOS. I'll be disappointed if they're questions they've answered thousands of times before.
But I agree that it should have just been on the DVD/blu-ray, and released it on the same date worldwide. Makes more sense.
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Lauryn
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Mar 24 2013, 10:51am
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So will this be available after the event? I mean... I'm a huge fan. I've seen every little thing there IS to see... but I'm working tonight and I wont be home in time to see it.I still have the DVD and my code.. so is it possible to watch after? I mean, I know I can't see the LIVE event... but if you have a code can you watch it after the fact?
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 24 2013, 11:54am
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WB has said that an edited version of it
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will be made available at some point after the event.
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macfalk
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Mar 24 2013, 12:53pm
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Edited verision? What a relief...
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I'm fed up with this scam.
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 24 2013, 1:49pm
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It's just something extra you get if you buy the blu-ray/dvd. It seems like effort's being put into it, by both WB and PJ himself, to make it new and interesting. And everyone's going to get to see it eventually if they want. So how is that a scam. I'm really glad they're doing this, and i might not even be able to see it this afternoon.
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Kirly
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Mar 24 2013, 2:12pm
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There is nothing wrong with making money!
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and if you think it's so bad, then stop right now and throw all yours away!
Those of us who bought the blu-ray could very well consider it free. Those of you who didn't for any reason, I could see why you'd think it wasn't free BUT WB does not have to do this, Jackson does not have to do this. Heck, they could just cancel the whole thing with no warning if they chose. We could be waiting months for normal trailers and previews.
I know my comment will likely come across as a bit harsh or cranky and I am amazed and disappointed at the constant complaining. I know, I don't have to read it and I usually scroll over it but I chose to finally make this comment today. I guess I just miss the days of FOTR, TTT, and ROTK when I recall TORN being filled with positive discussions - and by positive I do not mean all glowing praise but actual discussions rather than whining and complaining about the studio making money, Jackson making money, blaming Boyens for every little script detail that someone didn't like, how the commenter could have done it better (really? go get a studio to give you hundreds of millions of dollars and we'll see), how GDT would have done this or that better, how so-and-so actor would have been better in such and such role, and so forth. It's no where near as interesting or as much fun as it once was. I feel like Bilbo, "I am sorry but I had to speak my mind".
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 24 2013, 2:12pm
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My issue isn't at all with the live event which I think is a great idea. I was skeptical at first but have quickly warmed up to it and think it's a good move to pre market both the DVD Blur ray and the upcoming film. That having been said my issue is with the way WB didn't think outside the box and for whatever reason didn't release the DVD/BR disc worldwide at one time. Maybe there are logisitics I don't know about, that's highly possible since I'm not up to date on everything. That having been said I think it was a mistake to release the film to DVD the way they did.
It's still a great opportunity. It's great that they want fans asking questions (I just hope they are more unique. I'm tired of the same questions being asked and answered over and over)
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Kirly
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Mar 24 2013, 2:13pm
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you can select your country and enter you code now.///
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My avatar photo is Lake Tekapo in New Zealand's South Island. Taken by me in 2004 on a Red Carpet Tours LOTR Movie Location Tour. 'Twas the Vacation of a Lifetime!
pictures taken while on the tour are here:
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 24 2013, 2:16pm
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Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13
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Kirly
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Mar 24 2013, 2:22pm
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For a simultaneous release, every format (3D, blu-ray, DVD) and every language of every disc would have to be manufactured for the entire planet, transported to all the distribution centers and then to the stores (online or brick and mortar), marketing events and advertising prepared all around the world in every language, and so on. There may not be enough manufacturing facilities to accomplish this which would mean manufacturing some versions and then storing them until they were all ready which costs and thus delays income from the sales. Companies are in business to make money not store consumer-ready product in order to satisfy someones idea of what is "fair". Companies have share holders which would soon replace those who made such costly decisions.
If it were me, I would select which regions of the world were likely to produce the most profit and market and sell the discs there. In this case, one has to think "Western World" - ie, historical British Empire (why every single bit wasn't included, I don't know). In fact, that seems to be exactly what WB has done.
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Kirly
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Mar 24 2013, 2:23pm
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I'm waiting until just a few minutes before launch time. I wouldn't want to be shut out due to a computer problem or something.
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pictures taken while on the tour are here:
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Kirly
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Mar 24 2013, 2:28pm
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A good working relationship does not, as a rule, include giving product away for free.
TORN is doing the right thing here and always when they remove comments which include copyrighted material and/or links to unauthorized sources of same. I wouldn't want my work being given away for free. I work to earn money to make my life better, easier, more interesting. I expect everyone involved in these films does the same.
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Mar 24 2013, 2:30pm
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Well those are certainly considerations that make sense. But couldn't people have been emailed the code for instance for purchasing the digital download which is available worldwide pretty much? It seems like if you have digital downloads now you should have been able to get the code out that way.
Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13
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Mar 24 2013, 2:31pm
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Will you guys be able to put every question and answer from the Q&A session with PJ on the site aswell? In text instead of video.
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Mar 24 2013, 2:33pm
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And the note on there says the code can only be used 3 times.
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Mar 24 2013, 2:36pm
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Are you just messing around?
I didn't buy the TE for this but its a nice perk for sure. There is no scam and doesn't even fit the definition of scam.
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Kirly
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Mar 24 2013, 2:41pm
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Check the home page for the fine print - browsers and versions and such.
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Don't forget to verify that you're using the right browser and have the right versions of everything. EG, I just verified my browser and adobe flash plug in should be acceptable. Would hate to get all geared up only to miss it due to something like that!
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Kirly
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Sorry, I have no answer for this one. Maybe they'll share why.//
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My avatar photo is Lake Tekapo in New Zealand's South Island. Taken by me in 2004 on a Red Carpet Tours LOTR Movie Location Tour. 'Twas the Vacation of a Lifetime!
pictures taken while on the tour are here:
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sherlock
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Mar 24 2013, 2:50pm
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I didn't realize that so thanks for the info, Silverlode. I will be watching The Hobbit with some friends & didn't want to interrupt our viewing.
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Lusitano
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Mar 24 2013, 3:10pm
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suggest the barrow downs forum- you will read things there you might almost never read here- or The Hall of Fire.
Theres also TORC, but that can be too PJ bowing at times...
Good search.
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macfalk
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Mar 24 2013, 3:18pm
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Lot's of mean-spirited discussions on those sites.
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I much prefer "PJ-bowing" as you put it.
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ElendurTheFaithful
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Mar 24 2013, 3:39pm
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I really hate to be the partybreaker for WB (yeah right) but I already read posts on different forums how people gonna screen record the entire event and post it on pirate bay because they are pissed about forcing people to buy dvd this way.
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Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea
Mar 24 2013, 3:43pm
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That was going to happen anyway. They can't stop that it's going to happen.
Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13
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Lusitano
Tol Eressea
Mar 24 2013, 3:50pm
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mean spiritedness you mean different and critical opinions from the ones here or anywhere else, then yes. I find them very enlightening and instructive. Clearly, there are many people over there who know a lot about Tolkien and understand him quite well.
Too each his own, i suppose.
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Mar 24 2013, 4:17pm
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Can't and perhaps, don't want to stop it...
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It's marketing, a standard one and not a rip off, no one is forced to buy the blu-ray. It's a marketing tool to maximise sales in the intial week or two of release.
This gets the Blu-ray to the top slot of the sales charts and therefore in all possible retail outlets as well as aiding any sales records e.g. fastest selling blu-ray of all time, that AUJ may achieve. Once that is done, once today is over, WB knows that they won't be able to stop the pirates or Youtube clips and a I doubt that they really want to, as the purpose of the exclusive preview will have been served and whatever is out there afterwards will still serve as publicity for DOS.
The Blu-ray code is as far as I am concerned a premier, and as it's a blu-ray and not air, water or food, no one is being forced to buy it, like no one was ever forced to buy every edition of FOTR or ROTK because they had different bonus features.
The event, will be readily available on the internet within hours of it's broadcast and I doubt WB will be getting their army of lawyers out to stop it.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Mar 24 2013, 4:22pm
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I can't speak for anywhere else
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But there are no mean-spirited discusssions at The Hall of Fire. There is, perhaps, a broader acceptance of different points of view, but mean-spirtedness is neither tolerated, nor, frankly, as much of a problem as it as at larger sites such as this one (though I am quick to add that the administrators here do a fantastic job at nipping any such problems in the bud).
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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Lusitano
Tol Eressea
Mar 24 2013, 4:22pm
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look at the memes thread at the barrow downs forum then...
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ghost2-14
The Shire
Mar 24 2013, 4:23pm
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I have an urgent question - if I pre-order the Hobbit DVD now from Amazon UK or Amazon Germany (amazon.co.uk says it will be released on the 8th of April, amazon.de the week after that) - will I get the code for tonight per email or so so that I can watch the live event?
Thanks!
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Lusitano
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Mar 24 2013, 4:26pm
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as is the case with the barrow downs, i think.
Criticism is not the same thing as mean spiritedness.
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Elessar
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Mar 24 2013, 4:27pm
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Nothing wrong with different or critical. It's really all in how you deliver the message. I feel AO here is fantastic with how he expresses his opinion be it whatever is in the post. He has been critical of several things but he does a fantastic job of remaining respectful, and that is a major thing if you want your opinion to carry any weight with people. That's what I love about this place is there are many just like him. People that can be different, critical, and respectful without beating you over the head with you're wrong because I feel differently. I think it's also clear there are many people who know a lot about Tolkien here. I guess it comes down to how you want your different/critical.
So you're right to each their own.
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Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea
Mar 24 2013, 4:30pm
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You and I disagree on the film somewhat but neither one of us is disagreeable. There's a difference. Difference of opinion is what sharpens debate and increases knowledge. Also, I am open to changing my opinions and am open to what people who don't have my view may have to say. I have changed my view on numerous matters in life on many things based on different opinions giving me a different view. But yes, to each his own. I support that.
Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13
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Lusitano
Tol Eressea
Mar 24 2013, 4:31pm
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AO, precious?
Ham sammy : indeed. I think the key is trying not to make things personal, you know like rambo says, this time its personal 
Better shut up, otherwise, our little hijack shall not go unnoticed.
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ghost2-14
The Shire
Mar 24 2013, 4:33pm
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I have an urgent question - if I pre-order the Hobbit DVD now from Amazon UK or Amazon Germany (amazon.co.uk says it will be released on the 8th of April, amazon.de the week after that) - will I get the code for tonight per email or so so that I can watch the live event?
Thanks!
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Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea
Mar 24 2013, 4:35pm
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It was satire.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Mar 24 2013, 4:40pm
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is that it need to be pre-ordered by yesterday in order to get the code in time, but that might not be correct.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
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Estel78
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Mar 24 2013, 4:52pm
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In the FAQ it says it's about 60 minutes long
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That's long. What is there to talk about that long? But i'm not complaining.
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macfalk
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Mar 24 2013, 4:56pm
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There are lots of different and critical opinions here
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Lots of them. I don't see how it's a problem for you that some posters are "PJ-bowers" as you say.
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Azog
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Mar 24 2013, 4:56pm
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I just ordered from amazon and I haven't received the code :(
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Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea
Mar 24 2013, 4:56pm
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I thought originally somewhere I read 20 minutes but it does say 60. I'm certainly not complaining and it's going to go by very fast. Can't wait! My clock is at 2 hours 8 minutes on the site!
Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13
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Estel78
Tol Eressea
Mar 24 2013, 4:58pm
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I preordered from the UK branch yesterday and got the code immediately. It might still work today.
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ghost2-14
The Shire
Mar 24 2013, 5:08pm
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I will order and see what happens.
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Rosie-with-the-ribbons
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Mar 24 2013, 5:15pm
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You had to order the DVD/Blu-ray before today to get the code.
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Elessar
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Mar 24 2013, 5:17pm
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ghost2-14
The Shire
Mar 24 2013, 5:18pm
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Ah well :)
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Azog
Bree
Mar 24 2013, 5:25pm
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I didn't realize the cut off was yesterday,gutted
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Ardamírë
Valinor
Mar 24 2013, 5:28pm
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We are hereby sworn to secrecy by the sacred and ancient order of TORn. 
"Now this babe was of greatest beauty; his skin of a shining white and his eyes of a blue surpassing that of the sky in southern lands - bluer than the sapphires of the raiment of Manwë; and the envy of Meglin was deep at his birth, but the joy of Turgon and all the people very great indeed." -The Fall of Gondolin
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DanielLB
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Mar 24 2013, 5:41pm
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Have you got the link Estel78? :-) /
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I don't know where you're looking.
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Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea
Mar 24 2013, 5:45pm
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I think they will be aggressive in taking it off web sites but there's not a lot they can do about torrent sites many of which are located in various and sundry countries around the world. But I agree, as for regular websites yeah I'm sure they'll be at the ready to get it taken down.
Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13
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Ataahua
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Mar 24 2013, 5:48pm
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had the option of buying a DVD and getting access to a live event like this, than Warner Brothers not being bothered with offering it.
If you don't want to be part of this, don't be - but why rain on the parade of those who are excited about it?
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
Ataahua's stories
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DanielLB
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Mar 24 2013, 6:17pm
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System requirements - Just to pre-warn everyone:
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computers require an Adobe® Flash Player 10.0.22+ plug-in or higher
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Carne
Tol Eressea
Mar 24 2013, 6:23pm
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My Macbook won't update Flash no matter what I do
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Though I don't have a code anyways, but it's really annoying whenever I try to watch a video 
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Lusitano
Tol Eressea
Mar 24 2013, 6:32pm
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u mn da gts wiz like eva?
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Lusitano
Tol Eressea
Mar 24 2013, 6:34pm
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to the ears of Manwe.
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