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QuackingTroll
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Mar 22 2013, 2:55pm
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Once a 48fps version is available on a 4K format, then it'll be as good as the cinema version.
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Estel78
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Mar 22 2013, 3:01pm
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Yeah but what if you don't have your own house?
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You can't turn up the sound, let alone a subwoofer, the neighbours would complain.
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sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea
Mar 22 2013, 3:03pm
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Totally agree on home surround sound.
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I have a setup with Definitive Technology speakers (with a pair of older Def Tech speakers i had, making it 7.1), and a Denon amp, and it sounds amazing. I got it about 8 years ago, and the first thing i watched on it was Fellowship, the Balrog scene, and i can still remember how incredibly awesome it sounded. To this day, that scene is still my favorite thing to watch/listen to-- the way the voices echo all around you is sooo immersive, and of course the Balrog's roar is just one of the greatest things of all time.
AUJ does indeed sound awesome as well.
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Lindele
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Mar 22 2013, 3:13pm
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The refresh rate of my plasma is a nice balance between 24fps and 48fps. the movement is incredibly crisp and clear, but without the hyper real fast motion effect that 48 had. The 3D was absolutely stunning on the Blu-ray (I typically hate home 3D)
Plus, unless you have something more than 70 or 80"...4K is completely unnecessary for home viewing (also considering that AUJ was mastered in 2K and no cinema projected a true 4K).
Not to mention...no theater that i have ever been to can even hope to come close to the surround system I have at home.
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Ham_Sammy
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Mar 22 2013, 3:15pm
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Yep that can be an issue for sure if you are in a flat or apartment. I will say though you can do it with the main speakers and not be too offensive. you can get some pretty decent speakers for not too much, hook them up and at least get stereo sound by placing them to the side without them being too loud.
Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13
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Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea
Mar 22 2013, 3:18pm
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My Denon amp is older too (no joke about 15 years old) and the two Infinity speakers are that old as well. The Vandersteens are the series 2 from the late 70's, early 80's and are probably 30 years old. It is awesome sound and the only way to go. The IMAX sound was the total best in the cinema. But yeah, the regular cinema can't compete with the home sound. Not in the least.
Thank you for your questions, now go sod off and do something useful - Martin Freeman Twitter chat 3/1/13
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Lindele
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Mar 22 2013, 3:20pm
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amp is definitely the way to go.
I have five pretty good klipsche speakers with two subwoofers, and it was good, but when I updated the amp to Denon...it was a revolution.
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LordotRings93
Rohan
Mar 22 2013, 3:37pm
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Everything was too blue-ish, so it was hard to make out some things. This is why when watching it in crystal clear Blu-ray my eyes popped open. And when I saw it in theaters I sat in the back so, couldn't make out the finer details.
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 22 2013, 4:17pm
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So glad to see Denon fans out there!
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I got my first Denon amp around '92, a simple two channel with a couple of Definitive Technology BP8s. I still use them and they sound great. Then i got my current surround set-up around '04-- all Denon components and Def. Tech. speakers-- and i absolutely love it. And if i ever get a new set-up, it will be the same-- Denon/Def. Tech. all the way.
I have a friend who's an Infinity guy, and they do sound great. There's just something about Def. Tech that hits me, they're just so solid sounding. When it comes to music, i love percussion, and i'm a big Peter Gabriel fan, and that sounds great on them.
I go to the cinema for the experience-- the crowd/fans, the bad food, watching with friends, going out for burgers after to talk about it. But when it comes to just taking the film in, nothing beats a nice, big lcd/plasma tv, a blu-ray player, and an awesome surround sound set-up.
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SirDennisC
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Mar 22 2013, 4:31pm
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Is it possible they did some refinement
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before converting it to Blu-ray? For instance, it appeared to me that bookend Frodo's 5 o'clock shadow was gone in the home version.
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QuackingTroll
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Mar 22 2013, 5:25pm
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Common mistake. Don't sit near the back in the cinema!
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The correct place to sit for picture quality is about 1 and a half times the vertical size of the screen (although at 4K it's less)
For audio its about 2 thirds from the front. If you sit at the very back then the rear-side speakers, that are supposed to be behind, you are in front of you and the surround-sound becomes flat because too much audio comes from in front of you 
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IdrilofGondolin
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Mar 22 2013, 7:20pm
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before converting it to Blu-ray? For instance, it appeared to me that bookend Frodo's 5 o'clock shadow was gone in the home version.
And I looked for the shadow because others had mentioned it bothered them. Overall I loved the Blu-Ray at home. Maybe the plasma screen helps but the picture was so much clearer. I gasped actually when the film began because of the picture quality. Can't wait to see it again.
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swordwhale
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Mar 22 2013, 7:29pm
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ooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhh yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Legolas.
And this brings me to a bit of an existential crisis: Legolas and Thorin, together, at the same time, simultaneously, and so on. Legolas apparently giving a bit of attitude to Thorin (from what I read somewhere, some time ago), and Thorin likely showing off his cantankerous stubborness in all its glory. Now, my loyalties switched, hard and fast, in AUJ, but that wasn't much of an issue with Legolas not in the movie. But in DOS? And TABA? And not just both of them in both movies, but them actually on screen at the same time, simmering with attitude. Gah! The perfect recipe for Ro's Most Delicious Existential Crisis (don't forget the chocolate).
Go outside and play...
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jtarkey
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Mar 22 2013, 7:34pm
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It's actually blowing me away. It may be just the way I have my t.v. set, but the whole film seems moodier. There seem to be more shadows. The lighting doesn't look ridiculously flat like it did when I saw it in theaters.
It really almost feels like watching a whole new film. It's probably one of the best blu-rays I've seen, and I find myself seeing more of what PJ was going for visually. And knowing PJ, I'm sure he's been tampering with it since it's theater release
"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"
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swordwhale
Tol Eressea
Mar 22 2013, 7:36pm
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I haven't hit a dragon lair lately, so I can't afford the tech.
I have an old TV which will not accept even a DVD player. A pretty good computer which will play DVDs. I hear you can get a blu-ray which hooks up to your computer. Which may be the best screen in the house. The sound system is one small working speaker.
Which is why I go to cinemas.
I do like the pause, slo-mo, pause, rewind, whattheheckwasthat???, rewind, pause feature.
I saw IMAX and HFR back to back. The IMAX sucked rocks, wayyyyy too *&^%*&%*^ rock concert loud (I will never go without earplugs again), and compared to HFR, it was blurry. (And I sat in the precise middle of the theater). The size of a normal screen is just fine. The HFR made the biggest difference: making moving images very clear. Which is most of the film.
Watched the blu-ray extras on my friends' TV. Nice. But not necessary. Beat the heck out of tiny little youtube videos though.
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QuackingTroll
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Mar 22 2013, 7:43pm
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Where did you hear this? My viewing was in 4K, I talked to the projectionist.
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IdrilofGondolin
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Mar 22 2013, 7:56pm
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It's actually blowing me away. It may be just the way I have my t.v. set, but the whole film seems moodier. There seem to be more shadows. The lighting doesn't look ridiculously flat like it did when I saw it in theaters.
It really almost feels like watching a whole new film. It's probably one of the best blu-rays I've seen, and I find myself seeing more of what PJ was going for visually. And knowing PJ, I'm sure he's been tampering with it since it's theater release
And I wonder if this isn't a foretaste of what is to come. It seems that more and more modern novels are written with an eye toward becoming a film. So many read like psuedo-screenplays these days. And then you get this -- movies looking better in Blu-Ray than in the theater. And then EEs where refinements can be made, additions to the story added and some of the inconsistencies (Thrain's key, time of day with the eagles, etc) are resolved.
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QuackingTroll
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Mar 22 2013, 7:59pm
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I wonder if the pull-down is different?
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When displaying a 24fps film on a tv (typically 60fps-ish) the frames have to be doubled up and some have to be deleted so that the frame-rate matches (explanation: http://atlas.kennesaw.edu/...ticles/pulldown.html)
I guess it's entirely possible that for The Hobbit, rather than pulling-down from the 24fps version, they used the 48fps master. So the image would look considerably crisper and smoother.
It could also be possible that you guys just aren't used to RED footage on a TV. District 9 used RED cameras and that looks stunning too.
I'll do some tests when it's released here... gotta wait til April 
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jimmyfenn
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Mar 22 2013, 8:34pm
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i agree, i rather enjoy pouring over the blu ray of films on my home hd flatscreen,though cinema is great, its still a projection with dust and what not smelly people and distracting noises, bad food, uncomfortable seats and usually bad viewing angles etc etc.
but please dont perpetuate technological myths and director hokem pokem , pj would have viewed rushes on a cinema screen quite easily, done screen tests etc etc. this is the way he wanted it, for good or bad!
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 22 2013, 8:50pm
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I got an outboard blu-ray drive for my Imac
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for around $60, and i think there were some even more affordable options It works great.
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elostirion74
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Mar 23 2013, 12:11am
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could you be more concrete and specific?
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What made you enjoy the film more on Blu-Ray than in theaters?
I cannot compare, really, since I havenīt seen the film on Blu-ray. Nor do I have the understanding of the combinations of technology that have an impact on the result. In my experience the cinema experience is almost invariably better than seeing the same film at home. While the quality differs between cinemas, it seems to me that a lot of cinemas have been "updated" to meet the demands of new audiences.
I donīt know the development trends of cinema vs home viewing in the US or the major European or Latin-American countries, but in Norway and Sweden there has been a marked increase in the number of tickets sold in the cinemas over the last two-three years.
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jtarkey
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Mar 23 2013, 3:09am
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Clarity mostly...which is very strange
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I am opposed to a crisp, clean, visual style. Especially in Middle Earth. It just doesn't fit the bill for me. I'm not sure what it was, but lighting in my theater made the film seem very artificial. It was flat, and always looked like it was coming out of nowhere. My home theater is a Cinemark XD, and it has hosted several premiers with red carpets, celebrities, the whole shebang. So I'm sure I was watching a very high quality version of the film.
In short, the lighting of the whole film was much moodier on blu-ray, and hence more appealing. It still has a cartoonish look to it, but it just looks far better to me than it did in theaters. Like I said, it's hard to pinpoint since quality is so broad these days.
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redgiraffe
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Mar 23 2013, 11:09am
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I am so satisfied with how it looks on blu ray. That was my biggest concern about the over look of the film: how is it going to look on boring old 2D Hi-Definition? And it looks great. In fact it looks much better than I remember it in cinemas. I don't know what it is. But the over color palate of the film looks more similar to LOTR, which I loved.
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sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea
Mar 23 2013, 1:47pm
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that there's much less judder on the blu-ray than in the 2D 24 fps theater presentation? I remember specifically with some of the swooping camera shots inside Erebor, not being able to make out much of anything thanks to all the judder. But at home on the blu-ray, these same shots look much, much better-- a lot more clear and defined. Is it just me? Because to me, it's almost a night and day difference.
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DanielLB
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Mar 23 2013, 1:56pm
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I think so too. I said the same on page 1.
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