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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 3 2013, 10:29am
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What are we going to call the six films?
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I've been wondering about this since posting something here a few days ago. I think i wrote something like "Middle-earth saga", but i'm not thrilled with the word "saga", especially since The Twilight Saga.
WB is eventually going to have to address this, once TaBA is done and a complete set is inevitably released, but if there's already an established name for it among the fan community, they won't really have a choice. So the sooner we all start calling it the same thing, the more firmly it will be established when it comes time for the set to be "named".
So, what should it be?
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Neimod
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Mar 3 2013, 10:34am
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Hmmm... How about "The Third Age" films?
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DanielLB
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Mar 3 2013, 10:56am
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The Chronicles of Middle-earth
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The Chronicles of Middle-earth: The Saga of the Third Age: Part 1 of the Hexology: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
The Chronicles of Middle-earth: The Saga of the Third Age: Part 2 of the Hexology: The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
The Chronicles of Middle-earth: The Saga of the Third Age: Part 3 of the Hexology: The Hobbit: There and Back Again
The Chronicles of Middle-earth: The Saga of the Third Age: Part 4 of the Hexology: The Lord of the Rings:The Fellowship of the Ring
The Chronicles of Middle-earth: The Saga of the Third Age: Part 5 of the Hexology: The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
The Chronicles of Middle-earth: The Saga of the Third Age: Part 6 of the Hexology: The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Mar 3 2013, 11:08am
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Stories from the Red Book of Westmarch?
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Why not just the way Tolkien called these two stories? I'd prefer something with the "Red Book of Westmarch" in it:
Stories from the Red Book of Westmarch
Westmarch Stories
Stories from Middle-earth
Red Book Saga
Westmarch Saga
I don't now but the fact that both stories (TH and LOTR) are part of this book would make it (at least for readers and fans) logical to call it that way.
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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Arannir
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Mar 3 2013, 11:33am
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Hanzkaz
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Mar 3 2013, 12:13pm
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- there will only be six? Middle-Earth is a goldmine.
I imagine they'll just refer to the films as being part of the 'Middle-Earth movie franchise', though I suspect we may get a Special Edition 'Red Book of Westmarch' box set containing the first six movies.
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From the makers of 'The Lord of the Rings' comes the sequel to Peter Jackson's Hobbit Trilogy -
'The War in the North, Part I : The Sword in the Tomb'.
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Ardamírë
Valinor
Mar 3 2013, 2:00pm
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Like you, I imagine that's what they'll be called. Not sure they'll keep making movies though.
There's a sad sort of clanging from the clock in the hall and the bells in the steeple, too.
And up in the nursery an absurd little bird is popping out to say coo-coo (coo-coo, coo-coo).
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alienorchid
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Mar 3 2013, 2:36pm
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How much longer could you possibly make those names?
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and you can take that as a challenge if you like! ;)
I actually think 'The Chronicles of Middle-earth' would work well. It's obvious to casual viewers what it refers to, and is a bit more sophisticated than just 'The Middle-earth movies', which I just can't see being the title on a DVD box set.
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dormouse
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Mar 3 2013, 3:58pm
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...The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings?
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Rohirrim Rider
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Mar 3 2013, 4:37pm
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For WB, I think 'The Middle-Earth Saga' is the more marketable
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'The Chronicles of...' is already associated with Narnia and, with their being similarities in the genre and works, I don't think they'd want to copy it. I don't think Saga is associated with the Twilight films as much (it helps that it's just a tagged-on name and not from the original books). It's a simple, generic word that fits and lets casual audiences know what they're getting. Also, by the time a boxset is released in 2015, hopefully Twilight will have faded in everyone's minds.
As much as I would love them to call them The Red Book of Westmarch it wouldn't sell to the masses. Same with Middle-Earth: The Third Age. Tales from Middle-Earth may be nice but sounds more like a book collection, and also a bit twee - whereas 'saga' suggests something epic.
How about There and Back Again and then Even Further and Back Yet Again and then onto the Grey Havens? 
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Kelly of Water's Edge
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Mar 3 2013, 4:55pm
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that there indeed will in fact only be six movies. The team could keep going with The Silmarillion, along with some supplementation from Unfinished Tales. If Cate Blanchett in particular is interested and they don't wait long enough that she and the other elves in question age too visibly to be credible, it's certainly within the realm of possibility, albeit with a few small issues considering the whole story will have been filmed in reverse chronology. I don't know if anyone's heard anything about whether or not there's even been talk about that though.
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tupps
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Mar 3 2013, 5:05pm
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This is a once in a lifetime opportunity...
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For awesome alliteration!
Tolkien Trilogies
"Indeed they hardly know a good bit of work from a bad, though they generally have a good notion of the current market value"
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Rohirrim Rider
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Mar 3 2013, 5:51pm
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I see your alliteration and raise you a poor pun...
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Being as the hypothetical boxset is just an inevitable boxing together of the films -
The Token Tolkien Trilogies Boxset
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tupps
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Mar 3 2013, 7:07pm
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I doff my hat to your superior wordplay and humbly suggest the following addition:
The Token Tolkien Trilogies Treasury: Blu-ray Box Set Based on Best-selling Books
"Indeed they hardly know a good bit of work from a bad, though they generally have a good notion of the current market value"
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DanielLB
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Mar 3 2013, 7:36pm
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That's far too sensible, dormouse ;-) /
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DanielLB
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Mar 3 2013, 7:40pm
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Stories from the Red Book of Westmarch: The Chronicles of Middle-earth: The Saga of the Third Age: Part 1 of the Hexology: Bilbo's Journey: In a Hole in the Ground: Part 1 of the Hobbit Trilogy: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey.
Yup. That'll catch!
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Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea
Mar 3 2013, 8:08pm
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I'm buying it!
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Xanaseb
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Mar 3 2013, 8:36pm
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hey I like that one dormouse :D //
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--I'm a victim of Bifurcation--
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Join us over at Barliman's chat all day, any day!
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Rohirrim Rider
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Mar 3 2013, 9:00pm
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And my hat is thus doffed right back in your direction. Though I would add the obligatory:
The Token Tolkien Trilogies Treasury: Blu-ray Box Set Based on Best-selling Books - Extra Extended and Expanded Editions
I pity anyone with a stutter who would have to ask for them in a shop though.
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cats16
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Mar 3 2013, 9:03pm
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...they have a list of the highest earning franchises of all-time. They list it as Tolkien's Middle Earth. This doesn't have too bad of a ring to it, looking at all of the other huge movie franchises (Harry Potter, James Bond, Star Wars). Almost anyone could identify what films you are talking about, whether the name Tolkien rings the bell or Middle Earth does it.
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Elessar
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Mar 3 2013, 9:09pm
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The best thing since sliced bread. 
I don't know what it will be officially called and all that. What I do know is it will be a great way to spend six days if you watch one a day or however you break it up. Outside of reading the books yearly it will be something I really look forward to setting time a part to do.
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Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea
Mar 3 2013, 9:40pm
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Now THAT was awesome. :)
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Kimtc
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Mar 3 2013, 9:58pm
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How about "Peter Jackson's Annuity"?
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Or "The Federal Reserve Bank of Warner Bros."?
Whatever name they come up with, I'm sure it will be market-tested and lawyer-approved.
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Plurmo
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Mar 4 2013, 1:28am
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Smaug and the fellowship king journey back again there towers two return an unexpected ring of desolation //
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Mar 4 2013, 2:25am
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oops that's gone to Wagner.
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BalrogTrainer
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Mar 4 2013, 2:55am
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Middle-Earth Saga is fine with me. I'll always think of the Star Wars Saga before I think of the crappy Twilight one.
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Mar 4 2013, 3:57am
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The One Duology of Trilogies ...... but I doubt it will catch on. 
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sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea
Mar 4 2013, 4:01am
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I'm beginning to warm to Middle-earth Saga.
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Elutherian
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Mar 4 2013, 6:18am
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Or maybe just "The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit."
People have been calling the books that for years.
The Grey Pilgrim, they once called me. Three hundred lives of men I walked this earth, and now I have no time...
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Thoromir
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Mar 4 2013, 4:07pm
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Probably something like that...
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It has to be recognizable (as said before).
But I would very much like to see a limited 'Red Book of Westmarch' edition^^ (next to the 'mainstream' boxes of course)
Could it be done?
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Salmacis81
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Mar 4 2013, 5:20pm
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JRR Tolkien sold the film rights to The Hobbit and LOTR in 1968, but the film rights for The Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales are held by his estate. The Tolkien estate's executor, JRR's son Christopher, is a known critic of Peter Jackson's adaptations. So unless there is a complete change-of-heart on the part of Christopher or whoever succeeds him as executor (Christopher is in his late 80s, I believe), it's extremely unlikely that we will get any Silmarillion-related movie any time soon. I wouldn't hold my breath.
The only way I can see more Middle-Earth movies coming out of the PJ camp would be if he took some of the stuff from the LOTR Appendices and made up his own stories around them. These would essentially be non-canon stories based on short descriptions of events. (In other words, more Peter Jackson than JRR Tolkien.) That would almost certainly rile up fans of Tolkien's works, but the general movie-going public likely wouldn't know the difference. I can't say I would condone something like that, nor am I sure that Peter Jackson would do something like that, but I wouldn't put it past New Line or Warner Bros.
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Ardamírë
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Mar 4 2013, 5:25pm
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There's always the possibility of any number of bridge films.
There's a sad sort of clanging from the clock in the hall and the bells in the steeple, too.
And up in the nursery an absurd little bird is popping out to say coo-coo (coo-coo, coo-coo).
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 4 2013, 5:45pm
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i seriously doubt we'll see any more Middle-earth films for the forseeable future. Especially from the Peter Jackson camp, who were trepidatious about even doing The Hobbit (at least Boyens has said as much, and PJ didn't initially want to direct). And even if we do, it would probably be New Line going off on their own with a new director and writers, which doesnt' sound very appealing to me. I suppose it could work, but it sounds very, very unlikely. If it were to come down to that, I think i'm fine with having the 6 EEs.
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Salmacis81
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Mar 4 2013, 5:51pm
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Yes, but where would they get the stories from?
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There's always the possibility of any number of bridge films.
Maybe I am missing something, but as far as I'm aware, there is really very little cohesive "bridge" material that they are licensed to use. Concerning the "bridge" period between Bilbo's quest and the War of the Ring, there is a short description of Aragorn and Arwen's story, some basic stuff regarding Rohan and Gondor, and after that some short summaries in The Tale of Years (Appendix B). There is some bridge material in Unfinished Tales, like the section titled "The Hunt for the Ring" which occurs right around the beginning of LOTR, but they don't have the film rights for it (plus it would require Saruman's presence, and I doubt Christopher Lee would be up for any more Middle-Earth stuff at his age). There aren't any actual stories in the Appendices, so Jackson and Co. would have to cobble together a bunch of mostly-unrelated stuff and make their own narrative out of it. I'm not really sure it would work, but like I said, I would not put it past New Line or Warner Bros to try and milk the Middle-earth cow for all it's worth.
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Ardamírë
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Mar 4 2013, 6:50pm
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I don't want an infinite number of films based loosely off material in the LOTR appendices, but apparently it's a possibility. I think they'd basically be awful.
There's a sad sort of clanging from the clock in the hall and the bells in the steeple, too.
And up in the nursery an absurd little bird is popping out to say coo-coo (coo-coo, coo-coo).
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Ardamírë
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Mar 4 2013, 6:53pm
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and in fact, I don't think it would. But I wouldn't put it past WB to milk the franchise, like you said.
I think one of the reasons we didn't end up getting a bridge film is precisely because there isn't a cohesive narrative structure. It would have been a cobbled collection of different scenes basically.
There's a sad sort of clanging from the clock in the hall and the bells in the steeple, too.
And up in the nursery an absurd little bird is popping out to say coo-coo (coo-coo, coo-coo).
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Kimtc
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Mar 4 2013, 7:02pm
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I like the marketing possibilities for this
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They could sell it in an oversized bottle holder, and use Green Dragon Ale labels.
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Bombadil
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Mar 4 2013, 9:50pm
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BombyTheBadAss....
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SirDennisC
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"Six of One Ring, half a dozen of the other."
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*rim shot*
I'll be here all week...
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Salmacis81
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Mar 5 2013, 12:31am
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It would probably end up being a total mess. Unless they somehow pull off a miracle and get Christopher Tolkien to sell the film rights to The Silmarillion or The Children of Hurin (which is highly unlikely), I hope they just leave well-enough alone after TABA.
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Sam20
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Mar 5 2013, 12:33am
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I don't see why, it's two trilogy and not exactly a ''saga'' like Star Wars for instance. The books are called by their respective names so be it for the films... One can nickname the whole ''the Middle-Earth films'' if he wants to but I don't see the need for an official name as far as I am concerned.
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Ardamírë
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Mar 5 2013, 12:46am
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There's a sad sort of clanging from the clock in the hall and the bells in the steeple, too.
And up in the nursery an absurd little bird is popping out to say coo-coo (coo-coo, coo-coo).
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Mar 5 2013, 1:00am
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I hope they leave them all alone after this
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including and especially the silmarillion. Some things just don't need to be shown on film and work better in a book, for me the silmarillion is one of them. My head movies are enough, haha.
They will only be made when the copyright ends i believe, though i still hope they won't even then!
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Mar 5 2013, 2:23pm
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Great tales of middle earth or maybe in an ultimate geek super fan edition in a fantastic red leather box 'the red book of westmarch'
Arrow....black arrow,I have saved you to the last.you have never failed me and always I have recovered you.I had you from my father and he from old.if ever you came from the forges of the true king under the mountain,go now and speed well
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Aragalen the Green
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That's probably what I'll call them
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No matter what fancy-dancy name they come up with
'"Never laugh at live dragons, Bilbo you fool!" he said to himself, and it became a favourite saying of his later, and passed into a proverb.'
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sauget.diblosio
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Mar 5 2013, 5:02pm
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Great tales of middle earth or maybe in an ultimate geek super fan edition in a fantastic red leather box 'the red book of westmarch' I would love an 'aged', 'leatherbound' edition of all six films labeled The Red Book of Westmarch-- it would sit quite well on my bookshelf!
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"PreQuelergy & Trilogy" ?...
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