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sador
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Feb 7 2013, 7:55pm
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It's almost up there with something I've heard in my brief sojourn at a teaching seminary:
"We are not supposed to feed the students with a teaspoon. Our job is to provide them with stilts, to enable them to swim by themselves."
Thus spake a senior instructor, who has a long and successful career of teaching behind him. I kid you not.
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Ataahua
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Feb 7 2013, 8:13pm
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that we don't like name-calling either.
Our new board member has strong opinions but he hasn't breached the Terms of Service yet. That this thread has remained should prove that we do allow discussions that are negative about PJ's films - as long as they stay within our rules of behaviour. This thread has brushed close to those rules a few times and we are keeping an eye on it, but so far it's OK.
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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shadowdog
Rohan
Feb 7 2013, 8:14pm
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Did you ever try to swim on stilts??????? 
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sharpened_graphite
Rivendell
Feb 7 2013, 8:20pm
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"I would agree that the OP post was not the most diplomatically worded OP ever, but that does not make the points or post, or opinion invalid either. In my view there is much to complain about in PJ's films, particuarly as adaptations of the source materi
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That's partially my point. As a fan of most of PJ's work who nevertheless doesn't agree with every decision PJ and co had, I'm more than happy to hear constructive criticism, as long as it's thought out and intelligently worded.
I am, however, going to take issue with your assertion that the people most impressed by effects are "dim". As an aspiring illustrator (and generally visually oriented person) I'd like to say that the visuals by themselves, are as important to the making of a great film as acting, or writing or music. And a movie sometimes exists for the sake of one or two exquisite shots that it contains, however awful the acting or the writing. The stone giants sequence alone (however disparaged it may be by some) is enough to make a short film of considerable artistic value, if only for the imagery contained therein. And that is what you'd reduce to the term of "effects", which is a terribly unfair outlook on cinema which is first and foremost a visual medium. My point is, AUJ is a beautiful and valuable work of cinematic art even if it doesn't live to anyone's expectations, and there's much to be appreciated or learned from in it, even when speaking of just "effects" which translates into thousands of hours of work by talented animators, 3D modelers and texture and concept artists.
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SirDennisC
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Feb 7 2013, 8:20pm
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Wow, that's all kinds of mixed metaphors...
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maybe he wanted you should remember it?
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SirDennisC
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Feb 7 2013, 8:22pm
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spoon feeding have to do with swimming, or stilts? Would love to have been there.
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SirDennisC
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Feb 7 2013, 8:24pm
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I miss Phibbus. Thanks for tracking him down for us. //
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SirDennisC
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Feb 7 2013, 8:28pm
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That references a P-47 Thunderbolt --
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If you play with sharks you're gonna crash and burn.
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SirDennisC
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Feb 7 2013, 8:34pm
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Good to see you sinister... actually this thread has brought a few old friends back to play.
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macfalk
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Feb 7 2013, 8:35pm
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A troll is a troll 
The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.
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macfalk
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Feb 7 2013, 8:37pm
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They are not meant to be "children films". If that is what you expected when you went in to see AUJ, then I understand that you are dissapointed with the outcome. The label "children's book" implies that the book is of less value than other books which I find untrue, because TH is a lot more than a generic book for kids.
The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.
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SirDennisC
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Feb 7 2013, 8:42pm
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and it's a tiger not a shark... this is getting worse instead of better.
If you swim with tigers you're gonna crash and burn.
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arithmancer
Grey Havens
Feb 7 2013, 8:53pm
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Not that I could tell the difference...:-)
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My first thought was "are those tanks"? (But Google says warplanes.)
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JWPlatt
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Feb 7 2013, 8:54pm
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...the visuals by themselves, are as important to the making of a great film as acting, or writing or music. And a movie sometimes exists for the sake of one or two exquisite shots that it contains, however awful the acting or the writing. You just described Ridley Scott's Prometheus. Ridley retains my respect for being a visual director, as I'm sure he does yours, being a visual artist yourself. But as a shepard for his writer, Damon Lindelof, and advocate for his audience, he was deeply, deeply negligent. Just remember that for yourself.
As for The Hobbit, the CGI Goblin Bridge and Rabbit Run sequences were anything but beautiful in more ways than just aesthetics. The rest was good.
Also, there have been more than a few posts here lambasting the stone giant sequence as, basically, overindulgent. The common point was made that watching them in the background, as it was in the book, would have been more artistic and pleasing than putting the Dwarves on the legs of the giants and in mortal peril with yet another one of Jackson's death fake-outs that no one believes because the story has been known for 80 years. Close-up action like that frequently removes the beauty of a scene when it should have been shot from further away to let us absorb it. The James Bond film, Quantum of Solace, with Marc Forster directing, was criticized for this same thing - the cinematography was too close; too claustrophobic in places.
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pettytyrant101
Lorien
Feb 7 2013, 8:58pm
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I studied graphic design at college
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and these days I do 3D modellling and rendering as a hobby.
I have no lack of appreciation on both artistic and technical matters for the effects teams (and especially how long it takes to do, even 1 second of film)- but that does not stop the content from suffering from PJ never knowing when he needs a bit of restraint, or even when enough is enough.
Pj loves spectacle, and he likes to have a lot of it, even when, in my opinion the implausibility of it all, and the necessity therefore for his main characters to be 'invincible' or unbelievably lucky during it undermines any sense of peril.
Why should I care or feel that Thorin is going to be in any danger from Azog at the end when I have just spent the last hour watching him be bashed and thrown about on mountains, falling impossible heights and bouncing about like a ruber ball?
Effects should faccilitate the narrative- not replace it.
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sador
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Feb 7 2013, 9:00pm
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Absolutely horrid, isn't it? //
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pettytyrant101
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Feb 7 2013, 9:02pm
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I do not see calling TH a childrens book is any way derogetory- many of my favourite books of all time are childrens books, from Peter Pan and Narnia to Alice and Wonderland and TH. My favourite tv show of all time is Doctor Who (the avatar may give a clue)- a childrens show (theres a hornets nest claim!).
There is no implication from me when I call at a childrens book of it implying its lesser value in any way, shape or form.
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SirDennisC
Half-elven
Feb 7 2013, 9:20pm
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lovely being there with you,
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Brethil
Half-elven
Feb 7 2013, 9:23pm
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Thought you were channeling Dr Evil there
...she took the point at once, but she also took the spoons.
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Aragalen the Green
Gondor
Feb 7 2013, 9:29pm
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The Hobbit craze that is.
I do like the website 
By the way, I noticed you changed your avatar too. I liked the previous one, was it from a Rembrandt painting, or another artist?
'"Never laugh at live dragons, Bilbo you fool!" he said to himself, and it became a favourite saying of his later, and passed into a proverb.'
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GothmogTheBalrog
Rivendell
Feb 7 2013, 10:39pm
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I suppose it's my turn to say what I disliked in TH. Pretty much all thatI disliked was Radagast's bird nest and the poop in his beard. Oh, and the inclusion of Azog. I actually liked the entire Goblin-Town sequence.
"It was like a great shadow, in the middle of which was a dark form, of man shape maybe, yet greater; and a power and terror seemed to be in it and go before it." ~FotR
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Kassandros
Rohan
Feb 7 2013, 10:39pm
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This time, without name-calling:
I believe that the OP, "GiantMushroomBear", started this thread with the sole purpose of getting an angry reaction from other posters here. I do not believe he or she was trying to discuss the movie in any constructive way. I believe he or she was seeing an ego-boost and personal amusement (known in certain circles as "lulz") from making other people upset.
There is an entire subculture on the Internet that glorifies these practices. Actually, it's not just on the Internet. I've seen t-shirts related to these practices for sale in malls as well. I simply used the common term for these practices.
all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...
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Lusitano
Tol Eressea
Feb 7 2013, 10:46pm
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you a must be a member of the female population
I did, i am very fond of the last avatar but felt like the smartest of the gauls is my mood now.
Close one, Dirck van Baburen's The Procuress
Vous commencez à m'ennuyer avec le port!!!
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Brethil
Half-elven
Feb 7 2013, 11:02pm
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Just saw this. and if it inspires anyone else in the Company you might have something...
Off to the pants thread!
...she took the point at once, but she also took the spoons.
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morgul lord
Rivendell
Feb 7 2013, 11:07pm
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These "criticisms" aren't just weak, they're 2 months old. //
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